Thursday, 2025-05-01

opendevreviewDmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Extend the Glossary with new terms  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94710908:17
opendevreviewDmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Extend the Glossary with new terms  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94710908:32
opendevreviewDmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Extend the Glossary with new terms  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94710908:40
opendevreviewDmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update "availability zone" term in Glossary  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94861808:51
opendevreviewDmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update "availability zone" term in Glossary  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94861808:55
opendevreviewDmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update "availability zone" term in Glossary  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94861811:01
opendevreviewMerged openstack/security-doc master: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/security-doc/+/94859713:10
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: WIP  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94863513:51
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: WIP  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94863514:02
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: wip  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94863714:03
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: wip  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94863714:04
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - remove Cloudpipe  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94863714:05
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: WIP  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94863814:07
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: WIP  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94863814:14
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - Retire Senlin  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94863814:14
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: WIP  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94863914:16
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: WIP  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94863914:22
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - core service - add placement  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94863914:22
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: WIP  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864014:24
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: WIP  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864014:24
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - remove Hyper-V  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864014:27
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: VPNaaS scenario / Glossary / CPU topologies and Hypervisors - redirect to latest version  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94695114:29
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: WIP  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94863514:33
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - Retire Murano  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864214:34
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - Retire Murano  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864214:35
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: wip  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864414:37
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: wip  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864414:38
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - Retire Panko  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864414:38
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: WIP  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864514:40
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: WIP  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864514:41
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - Retire Sahara  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864514:42
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - Scoped Token  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864614:44
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - Scoped Token  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864614:45
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - Retire Senlin  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94863814:46
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - remove SmokeStack  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864714:48
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - remove SmokeStack  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864714:49
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - TripleO  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864814:52
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - TripleO  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864814:53
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - new term Geneve  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864914:57
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - new term Geneve  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864914:59
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - Retire TripleO  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864814:59
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - remove VirtualBox  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94865015:01
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - remove VirtualBox  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94865015:03
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - remove Xen  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94865115:05
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - remove Xen  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94865115:06
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - obsolete roles  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94863515:07
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - removing obsolete roles  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94863515:08
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: WIP  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94865215:09
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: WIP  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94865215:10
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - update for term Region  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94865215:12
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - remove Linux Bridge  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94865315:23
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - remove Linux Bridge  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94865315:25
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - update for term Scoped Token  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864615:26
gouthamrwhat's the impact on OpenStack of OSU-SL losing its funding?15:54
gouthamri know Lance and his students have been really great to work with 15:54
gouthamrone of them is currently working with gtema, stephenfin on openapi/code generator stuff15:54
gouthamrhttps://osuosl.org/blog/osl-future/15:55
gouthamrfungi: clarkb: do we rely on osusl for any infra?15:55
gouthamrdiablo_rojo_phone: ^ maybe you know how it affects OpenInfra as a whole15:56
clarkbgouthamr: yes they are our only arm64 provider15:57
clarkbif they shutdown we won't be able to test on arm64. And ya they have been a great partner in finding student contributors (not sure if they are interns or how they are classified)15:57
fungiyes, we've been trying to spread the word since rumors started early yesterday15:58
fungiwhich were crystalized publicly later in the day on their ml and then blog15:58
clarkbI may have some bias living in Oregon but I think OSUOSL has been a great program for open source projects, the companies that rely on open source, and the students at OSU. Its basically a win win win all around. Companies have a strong pipeline for new employee candidates and get better open source software, open source gets contributors and testing resources, and students16:02
clarkblearn and jump start their careers16:02
gouthamrthank you, i totally agree16:03
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - remove nova-network  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94865516:03
diablo_rojo_phoneThe student interns that have been more dedicated for longer (year +) would dry up. 16:03
gouthamri am hopeful that Red Hat will pool in some donations, i'll share these details with folks16:03
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - remove nova-network  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94865516:05
clarkbgouthamr: coreos is an osuosl alum startup too16:05
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - removing obsolete roles  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94863516:08
gouthamrclarkb: i didn't know that, very nice.. 16:11
gouthamrJayF put it very nicely, the lab is "guy in Nebraska holding up open source" 16:12
JayFYeah. At least half of the engineering team that built the original onmetal, and with it, some large part of early ironic, went to OSU OSL. Additionally, it double screws Gentoo who has hardware that helps with maintenance of more obscure CPU architectures.16:13
JayFThat organization creates so much value that it will be a major indictment of every person, an open source, and every company that is involved with it if we can't cough up a quarter of a million dollars in 2 weeks.16:14
JayF** every person in open source16:14
gouthamryeah, its very nice to see the rallying within Red Hat, besides OpenStack, they support Qemu, Foreman, GNOME, Fedora - so contributors to these projects are making their case16:15
clarkbin general I think the side activity efforts within universities (for lack of a better term) are super undervalued. When I was in school we had a program where students could volunteer to sysadmin the college of engineering computing resources. Learned a ton. I was also a tutor. You learn a lot doing that too. There were also people building submersible robots and drones before16:19
clarkbthey could be bought off the shelf for cheap. I wish OSU's funding sources saw the benfit of these tertiary programs that aren't research and aren't coursework16:19
clarkbbut also I think enrollments have decreased over time and inflation has meant dollars don't go as far as they did. I should probably write my state legistlature16:21
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - Retire Panko  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864416:28
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - remove Panko  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864416:29
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - remove obsolete roles  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94863516:29
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - Retire Senlin  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94863816:30
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - remove Senlin  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94863816:30
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - remove Sahara  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864516:32
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - remove Murano  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864216:33
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - remove TripleO  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864816:34
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - update for term Scoped Token  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94864618:07
* gouthamr nods at clarkb's last post18:11
gouthamrin this particular case, maybe OSU's College of Engineering saw the number of companies benefitting from the work OSU OSL's been putting in.. and expected them to chip in... the list of corporate sponsors is small: https://osuosl.org/sponsors/18:11
clarkbyes its possible. https://blogs.oregonstate.edu/government/2025/03/27/oregon-state-university-government-relations-update-march-2025/ The state is figuring out its budget which includes determining state funding for the state universities and the universities presented their priorities and needs through april18:15
fricklergmaan: why do all the retired services need to be removed from the glossary? people will still find references about them aand may wonder what they were. IMO just adding a note that a service/project is retired is much more helpful18:17
gmaanyeah. To avoid current situation, funding should have been there from starting as mandatory requirement so that it would be very clear to everyone.  18:17
gmaanfrickler: they are there in stable branches glossary right? and glossary is not the doc where we need to keep all history about services. For me, keeping it up to dated with existing available things is more useful 18:18
gmaanand if we see retired services means their ref of code/doc/name are cleaned up from everywhere18:19
fricklerglobal docs don't have stable branches? also it is not an index of what is current, more like a dictionary of terms related to openstack18:19
gmaanfor example https://docs.openstack.org/senlin is still there which redirect to README file about its current state, that is more close to know current state if anyone interested in those services18:20
gmaanI mean keeping them in Glossary and removed from everywhere else including all global doc/openstack  map is more confusing. 18:22
fricklerwell we seem to disagree on what the use of a glossary is, then18:22
gmaanFor me, glossary is not a history ref, it is more of definition/ref of things present in current docs.18:26
frickleropenstack/openstack-manuals$ git grep -i senlin | wc -l => 63118:30
fricklerif you want to get docs up to date, IMO the glossary would be the last item to touch, not the first one18:32
gmaannot sure what all ref but we should cleanup those too. if need we can maintain at top page or so about "OpenStack Retired Services/LIbs"18:32
gmaanyeah, i agree on that, we should have cleanup all ref by now.18:33
gouthamrcould ask if ivan/dmitriy would like to work on that :) 18:34
gouthamrhttps://review.opendev.org/q/topic:%22glossary%22+status:open18:35
gouthamrwe asked for this, but omg18:35
fricklereod for me now, but let's try to get some more agreement at least between those tc-members that do review these18:36
gmaansure. 18:36
gouthamrgood point, we could avoid a whiplash on gerrit18:36
gmaanI think this is good cleanup which are always left over. but let's get agreement first or feel free to -1 on changes to avoid accidental merge18:38
fricklerI was hoping we could come to some agreement where I don't have to spread mass -1s, won't get to that today anyway18:40
gmaanI grep senlin ref and most of it are from locale and old stable branches (before its retirement) 18:44
gmaanhttps://paste.openstack.org/18:44
frickleryes, I admit that grep wasn't too real. but then, active stable branches are part of the docs and the glossary is global, not per branch18:46
gmaanhttps://paste.openstack.org/show/bTZ9zERYLGA1a7vTYRKR/18:46
gouthamrwhere do we publish this glossary?18:47
gouthamrnoob question, sorry.. 18:47
gmaanhttps://docs.openstack.org/doc-contrib-guide/common/glossary.html18:47
fricklerhttps://docs.openstack.org/glossary/18:48
gouthamrgmaan: ty, that link targets the doc contributors18:48
gouthamrfrickler: ah, nice.. but its not on the index pages?18:48
gmaanyeah that too what frickler mentioned18:48
gmaanI am not if there are more ref of it but maybe18:49
gouthamrivan had this: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94705818:49
gouthamr(i don't think that template file is doing anything)18:49
gmaanit is added at the end of multiple docs18:49
frickleralso in regard of removing old terms: should Austin and Bexar still be in there, then? ;) (and now I'm really gone)18:49
gouthamrhaha, go get a beer and yell at the stein frickler 18:50
gouthamrgmaan: > it is added at the end of multiple docs18:51
gouthamri was trying to find it to have an opinion on whether its useful to have old projects listd18:51
gouthamri still cant find it, sorry if i'm blind18:51
gmaanfor example here https://docs.openstack.org/doc-contrib-guide/common/glossary.html18:52
gmaanI have not searched all doc but I found here ^^ at first place18:52
gmaanand there might be other place it can be apart from main page for glossary - https://docs.openstack.org/glossary/18:53
gouthamryeah, if its the doc contrib guide, i am less worried deleting outdated information.. but, if end users are using this, i think we can keep the service names and add a line about each of these instead of deleting it18:53
gmaanI was searching the same and could not find any in user side doc18:55
gmaanhttps://docs.openstack.org/2025.1/user/   https://docs.openstack.org/2025.1/install/  https://docs.openstack.org/2024.2/deploy/ etc18:56
gmaanI mean keeping outdated info in glossary is not as bad as keeping in user facing doc which can confuse people but still IMO, cleaning them up from glossary is easy to ready/maintain it. 18:57
gmaanand for history, we still have retired project main doc pointing to their README  https://docs.openstack.org/senlin18:58
gmaananyways let's discuss it later once frickler also available. do not want to exclude him from discussion or make him extend has day :)18:59
gmaan*his18:59
gouthamr++ ty, i'd just hold off from merging anything.. thanks for sharing context here18:59
gouthamrs/anything/these deletions19:00
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opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Project-specific Guides - add link to Glossary  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94705819:06
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Project-specific Guides - add link to Glossary  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94705819:07
opendevreviewDmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add OVN to Glossary  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94866719:07
opendevreviewDmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add OVN to Glossary  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94866719:15
opendevreviewDmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add OVN to Glossary  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94866719:18
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Project-specific Guides - add link to Glossary  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94705819:22
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Project-specific Guides - add link to Glossary  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94705819:23
* gouthamr remembering the AI discussion fungi was having here with noonedeadpunk 20:07
gouthamri am suggesting that people use AI to get content they can't write on their own.. and follow the OpenInfra AI policy we adopted instead of copy-pasting from other places: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94866720:08
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Project-specific Guides - add link to Glossary  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94705820:16
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Project-specific Guides - add link to Glossary  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94705820:17
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Project-specific Guides - add link to Glossary  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94705820:17
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Project-specific Guides - add link to Glossary  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94705820:18
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Project-specific Guides - add link to Glossary  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94705820:19
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Project-specific Guides - add link to Glossary  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94705820:37
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Documentation main page - add link to Glossary  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94705820:38
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Documentation main page - add link to Glossary  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94705821:55
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Documentation main page - add link to Glossary  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94705821:55
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: wip  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94867622:11
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: wip  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94867622:13
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: wip  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94867622:18
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: wip  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94867622:20
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: RDO - fix for broken links  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94867722:26
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: RDO - fix for broken links  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94867722:26
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: RDO - fix for broken links  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94867722:27
opendevreviewIvan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: OpenStack packages for RHEL and CentOS - fix for broken urls  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/94867722:29

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