| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Add openstack/grian-ui https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/948252 | 00:44 |
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| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Retire openstack-helm-infra repo https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/947611 | 00:45 |
| frickler | hmm, while looking references to how the glossary gets linked to, I found that nova manages their own short glossary https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/reference/glossary.html#term-Availability-Zone not sure how useful that is | 06:43 |
| frickler | I'm also not comfortable with suggesting people to use "AI", which is just copyright ignoring LLMs without any real intelligence. IMO content needs to be written and reviewed by people who understand what they are doing | 06:46 |
| noonedeadpunk | gouthamr: I would be very cautious in pro-actively suggesting usage of AI tbh. As it might be very tricky to review in terms of hidden hallucinations. I know we can not avoid ppl using it, but at least I would not encourage them | 06:46 |
| noonedeadpunk | frickler: it;s not limited to nova | 06:47 |
| noonedeadpunk | https://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=glossary%3A%3A&i=nope&literal=nope&files=&excludeFiles=&repos= | 06:47 |
| noonedeadpunk | or I am getting this tag wrong? | 06:47 |
| noonedeadpunk | heh, wrote same thing at the same time:) | 06:48 |
| ianychoi | I am personally a little bit conservative using AI on Docs & I18n contribution although I generally agree that AI would help productivity.. Just a quick question: regarding AI policy, has it been mentioned on our CLA/ICLA? | 06:54 |
| noonedeadpunk | eventually AI for I18n specifically tends to be quite a good comparing to regular translation tools... | 07:33 |
| noonedeadpunk | at least it tended to be whenever I compared for the language I'm not very sufficient in | 07:34 |
| noonedeadpunk | but again - then you should not be translating to it... | 07:34 |
| noonedeadpunk | But still - can cover a little gap in english knowledge for some | 07:34 |
| noonedeadpunk | writing docs with AI fromother side - is not a great idea. As AI can come up only with somthing which is already known. At the same time - if it's known thing - do you need to document it one more time? | 07:50 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Extend the Glossary with new terms https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/947109 | 08:18 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update "availability zone" term in Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/948618 | 08:26 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add OVN to Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/948667 | 08:41 |
| opendevreview | Ivan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Documentation main page - add link to Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/947058 | 09:09 |
| opendevreview | Ivan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Documentation main page - add link to Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/947058 | 09:15 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add keystone roles to the Glossary terms https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/947109 | 09:21 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add keystone roles to the Glossary terms https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/947109 | 09:33 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add Skyline dashboard in Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/948686 | 09:38 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add Skyline dashboard in Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/948686 | 09:40 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update "availability zone" term in Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/948618 | 09:42 |
| fungi | ianychoi: noonedeadpunk: there's a call next week to discuss adjustments to the current ai contribution policy https://lists.openinfra.org/archives/list/foundation-board@lists.openinfra.org/thread/SISUL6IRNPDUQPZK3MUJQMJRZWK2QUK7/ | 12:26 |
| clarkb | though that discussion seems to be focused more on how to properly attribute thinsg depending on how AI is used rather than indicating when it is safe to use | 14:22 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: [www] Set 2023.2 Bobcat as End of Life https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/948577 | 14:29 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: install-guide: 2023.2 Bobcat to End of Life https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/948425 | 14:29 |
| gouthamr | noonedeadpunk: frickler: hey i echo your thoughts .. i wasn't blanket recommending AI usage, but, like you said, it'll be extremely hard for us to avoid using it.. regarding AI ignoring copyrights, i'm with you there.. the problem with generative AI is that it is built to grok and reword by not providing context/attribution unless prompted.. but, humans can do that too.. | 16:39 |
| gouthamr | i don't have bright ideas on enforcing honestly and that every contribution has to be original thought | 16:39 |
| gouthamr | i assumed the author in this case had the right intent: "I'd like to explain a common term in the doc so people can benefit", but they also felt like they needed help crafting that and thought RH doc writers had put it well enough.. | 16:41 |
| gouthamr | gen AI is a great tool to non-english speakers and engineers to express what they want to say without having to go through a english/technical writing course.. | 16:42 |
| frickler | well it may work in some cases, the result may be subtly but completely and utterly wrong as well. and if reviewers also just give it a cursory looks saying "this looks okish", the total quality of the documentation will falter | 16:44 |
| gouthamr | > AI can come up only with somthing which is already known | 16:45 |
| gouthamr | > As it might be very tricky to review in terms of hidden hallucinations. | 16:45 |
| gouthamr | this can totally be a problem with humans too.. we should reject massive walls of text thrown up by some AI chatbot.. | 16:45 |
| gouthamr | frickler: yes | 16:45 |
| gouthamr | btw, i suggested this because i did it too: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-team-guide/+/948484 | 16:49 |
| gouthamr | i was multi-tasking and poorly following up on a conversation that folks were having here regarding SIG and project activity.. | 16:49 |
| gouthamr | thought there was a good idea here from clarkb that i'd forget.. and it was expedient to chat and get some thoughts jotted with better english than my perfectionist procrastinating self would do over a longer period of time :D | 16:50 |
| clarkb | I forget my good ideas too | 16:53 |
| gouthamr | haha, for better ideas next time :D | 16:54 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update "availability zone" term in Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/948618 | 17:51 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update "availability zone" term in Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/948618 | 19:50 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add OVN to Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/948667 | 19:52 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add Rocky LInux to Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/948731 | 20:02 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add Rocky LInux to Glossary https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/948731 | 20:03 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add keystone roles to the Glossary terms https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/947109 | 20:03 |
| opendevreview | Dmitriy Chubinidze proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add keystone roles to the Glossary terms https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/947109 | 20:03 |
| opendevreview | Ivan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - new term Geneve https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/948649 | 22:16 |
| opendevreview | Ivan Anfimov proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Glossary - new term Geneve https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/openstack-manuals/+/948649 | 23:08 |
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