Wednesday, 2015-12-09

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openstackgerritLuigi Toscano proposed openstack/trove: Use configured datastore on instance creation  https://review.openstack.org/25542818:31
openstackgerritLuigi Toscano proposed openstack/trove: Use a specific network for the test  https://review.openstack.org/25542918:31
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openstackgerritmariam john proposed openstack/trove-specs: Enable CouchDB replication in Trove  https://review.openstack.org/25543718:47
openstackgerritmariam john proposed openstack/trove-specs: Enable CouchDB replication in Trove  https://review.openstack.org/25543718:49
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vgnbkrOK, so I think you've now created a reasonable legal expectation for timely security updates to experimental datastores.  Who is going to take on the job of monitoring every datastore to make sure that security patches are applied?19:04
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amrithvgnbkr, isn't that up to someone posting a bug in LP?19:20
vgnbkramrith, I guess there are 2 issues: security bugs in Trove itself, and security issues in the underlying database which Trove needs to take steps to address.  It's really the latter I was referring to above.  The former is interesting, too - should someone enter a bug for a security fix, but not mark it as such, what would be the legal implications for the OpenStack foundation.  I suppose that's even an issue for stable19:23
vgnbkrdatastores.19:23
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cp16netvgnbkr: it could happen but in LP you can hide bugs19:26
vgnbkrcp16net, I was thinking of something more like for some obscure datastore that few people use, someone notices a security problem, fixes it, but doesn't mark it as a "security" issue.  Some other user suffers a major loss because of that security issue weeks after the patch was committed.  They could argue that OpenStack knew of the issue, but didn't tell them that an important security fix was available.19:29
vgnbkrI imagine that were the same thing to happen for mysql, it would be a widely known issue and be handled quickly and properly.19:30
cp16netwe should still take care in the bug reports such things19:31
vgnbkrMore likely, though, is that the vendor of a little used database issues a security fix to a database that requires a change in Trove code.  If Trove says it will provide security fixes to all datastores, would it be reasonable to expect that changes based on vendor fixes should come in a timely manner?19:33
vgnbkrIf so, then a responsibility would exist to monitor all "supported" databases to ensure security fixes are detected and applied appropriately.19:34
cp16netvgnbkr: i think thats a good point19:35
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cp16neti think the best way to help in that reguard would be to have a liason from the trove team for each stable datastore19:35
vgnbkrcp16net, yes, it might also be good to get the Foundation's input on such things.  I assume they have a legal advisory of some sort.19:37
cp16netthere is the https://security.openstack.org/19:37
vgnbkrThey might just say "don't worry about it".19:38
vgnbkrI think that's more about what to do about security issues you know about.19:38
cp16neti think the same sort of thing could apply for nova where they support all the hypervisors19:39
cp16netbut usually its not a code issue but the underlying technology used in 99% of the cases19:39
vgnbkrRight, but it may be less of an issue there as I imagine all hypervisors have active proponents.  Neutron may have similar issues with drivers for more obscure network hardware, though.19:40
cp16neti think the same concern would apply19:42
cp16netand from what i've gathered in the past issues are fixed as they are found19:44
cp16netwhich i think is ok19:44
cp16netvgnbkr: check this out https://security.openstack.org/vmt-process.html#incident-report-taxonomy19:53
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openstackgerritPetr Malik proposed openstack/trove: Implement user functions for Cassandra datastore  https://review.openstack.org/20673920:06
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amrithcp16net, pmackinn, dougshelley66 ... you here?20:45
pmackinnamrith, yes sir20:46
amrithcp16net, I understand that you won't be able to make it to mid-cycle in raleigh.20:46
amrithpmackinn and I just had a chat about this20:46
amrithand ... SlickNik yt?20:46
amrithso the two options we came up with were20:47
amrith(a) have a good and reliable link into the meeting room, potentially for bluejeans, and20:47
amrith(b) move the mid-cycle to someplace in Austin.20:47
pmackinnlike cp16net basement20:47
amrithso, wanted to know whether we should even go the route of (b) where pmackinn would find a suitable redhat facility there ;)20:48
amrithRed Hat20:48
amrithsorry20:48
pmackinnamrith, just checked, no "office" in austin20:48
amrithOk, so that cooked that.20:48
dougshelley66pmackinn can't you buy an austin based company before Feb?20:48
pmackinnwe've been eyeing dell20:48
pmackinnpassing around the (red) hat here20:49
dougshelley66dell might have an office in texas somewhere....20:49
amriththat would be good. they have offices in Austin.20:49
amrithCan we count on you to deliver that by mid-cycle ;)20:49
pmackinnlet's tee up bluejeans just in case20:49
amrithyes, cp16net was online a while ago20:50
amrithlets plan for bluejeans unless he chimes in later with an alternative in austin. another consideration is that summit is also in austin (for what it is worth).20:50
amrithSlickNik, cp16net ^^20:51
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vgnbkrcp16net, checked out that link you sent, but not sure what you wanted me to see.21:07
amrithwhat one sees is in the eye of the beholder - deepak chopra21:08
amrith#link http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/21:08
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cp16netyeah i'm here21:38
cp16netcatching up on the convo21:38
cp16netyeah i think my plans to goto raleigh were over turned by the wife21:39
cp16netshes due at the end of feb21:39
cp16netso i cant be away near that time21:40
cp16netbluejeans seems to work well for me21:42
cp16netpmackinn: are you based out of the raleigh office?21:43
pmackinncp16net, yes21:43
cp16netmaybe we can test how well a bluejeans connection is there and how it would work before the time21:44
pmackinncp16net, meh, we use it throughout the company now for all conferencing...i don't anticipate issues21:44
cp16netah ok21:44
cp16netsounds good21:44
cp16netwasnt sure if you guys used something else21:45
cp16netamrith: if the kid comes early i wont be available then21:46
pmackinncp16net, there's bluejeans app for ios and android...you can run but you can't hide21:47
pmackinnwe'll find you21:47
cp16neti'll be on leave you cant find me21:48
cp16net:-P21:48
cp16netamrith: i'd ask you or SlickNik if you can help run it in that case21:48
cp16netbut i'll make up an agenda that we can loosely follow21:49
cp16netlike last time21:49
amrithcp16net, will you be able to do bluejeans or some such?21:52
amrithor on vacation ...21:52
amrithok, sorry, just read scrollback21:52
amrithand yes, you answered the question.21:52
amrithcp16net, pmackinn ... that's decided then.21:53
cp16netok great21:53
amrithcp16net, np. we can figure out the logistics of how we run the show. Maybe we'll get a life-size photograph of you on a cutout or something ;)21:54
amrithtake care, have to head out now.21:54
cp16netamrith: ok thanks21:54
cp16netlater21:54
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openstackgerritPetr Malik proposed openstack/trove: Implement Cassandra Configuration Groups  https://review.openstack.org/20674022:04
openstackgerritPetr Malik proposed openstack/trove: Implement user functions for Cassandra datastore  https://review.openstack.org/20673922:04
openstackgerritPetr Malik proposed openstack/trove: Implement user functions for Cassandra datastore  https://review.openstack.org/20673922:10
vipulcp16net: end of feb eh?22:10
vipulcp16net: we're beginning of march ;)22:11
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cp16netvipul: exciting! :)22:14
cp16netvipul: you are a stranger in here :-P22:14
vipulcp16net: i'm always lurking though :)22:14
openstackgerritPetr Malik proposed openstack/trove: Implement Cassandra Configuration Groups  https://review.openstack.org/20674022:20
openstackgerritPetr Malik proposed openstack/trove: Implement user functions for Cassandra datastore  https://review.openstack.org/20673922:20
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openstackgerritPetr Malik proposed openstack/trove: Add backup & restore for Cassandra  https://review.openstack.org/20675123:28
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openstackgerritLuigi Toscano proposed openstack/trove-integration: Clean network keys in test config for Nova network  https://review.openstack.org/25559323:56

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