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| devcamcar | creiht: are you around? have a question for you about configuring swift rings | 20:05 |
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| creiht | devcamcar: howdy | 20:05 |
| devcamcar | creiht: howdy! how goes? i specifically have a question for you about ring-builder | 20:06 |
| devcamcar | we are setting up swift on boxes with 7 2TB disks in them | 20:06 |
| creiht | good thanks, and ask away :) | 20:06 |
| devcamcar | ring-builder object.builder create 18 3 12 | 20:06 |
| devcamcar | for instance | 20:07 |
| creiht | k | 20:07 |
| creiht | how many boxes total? | 20:07 |
| devcamcar | but we are getting index errors | 20:07 |
| devcamcar | right now its 10 but that will rapidly increase | 20:07 |
| creiht | k | 20:07 |
| creiht | index errors? | 20:07 |
| creiht | can you paste an example? | 20:07 |
| devcamcar | basically i'm not sure what those 3 numbers are | 20:07 |
| devcamcar | yes | 20:07 |
| creiht | paste.openstack.org | 20:07 |
| creiht | 18 is the ring size as a power of 2 | 20:07 |
| devcamcar | Traceback (most recent call last): | 20:07 |
| devcamcar | File "/usr/bin/ring-builder", line 487, in <module> | 20:07 |
| devcamcar | parts, balance = builder.rebalance() | 20:07 |
| devcamcar | File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/swift/ring_builder.py", line 184, in rebalance | 20:07 |
| devcamcar | self._initial_balance() | 20:07 |
| devcamcar | File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/swift/ring_builder.py", line 334, in _initial_balance | 20:07 |
| devcamcar | while available_devs[index]['zone'] in other_zones: | 20:07 |
| creiht | 3 is the number of replicas | 20:07 |
| devcamcar | IndexError: list index out of range | 20:07 |
| devcamcar | Device z1-ip.ip.ip.ip:6000/7_"" with 1.0 weight got id 69 | 20:08 |
| devcamcar | so it does up to 69 of them and then gets unhappy | 20:08 |
| creiht | How many zones? | 20:08 |
| devcamcar | 1 | 20:11 |
| creiht | oh | 20:11 |
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| creiht | Well you should start with a minimum of at least 3 | 20:11 |
| creiht | recommended 5 | 20:11 |
| creiht | if you have 10 machines, I would recommend starting with 5 zones of 2 machines each | 20:12 |
| creiht | devcamcar: and are you still running the old codebase? | 20:13 |
| creiht | If so, I would recommend using the current swift code from openstack | 20:14 |
| vishy | brb | 20:14 |
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| ctennis | anyone know of any of the cloudfiles gui programs (cyberduck,etc?) that work with swift out of the box? | 20:14 |
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| creiht | ctennis: unfortunately not yet, as they don't allow you to set what auth server to use :/ | 20:15 |
| creiht | There is a commandline tool in swift (st) that you can use | 20:15 |
| ctennis | I've hacked cyberduck to point its auth server over to my swift one, but it complains of ssl errors | 20:15 |
| creiht | oh interesting | 20:15 |
| ctennis | even though it's set to "http" | 20:15 |
| ctennis | I'm not sure if it's trying to force SSL anyway or not | 20:16 |
| ctennis | must be | 20:16 |
| creiht | ctennis: Sounds like cyberduck is trying to make an ssl connection | 20:16 |
| ctennis | the auth server supports ssl I think right? cert_file and key_file in the config? | 20:16 |
| creiht | you can set up the swift proxy to run ssl | 20:16 |
| ctennis | yeah | 20:16 |
| creiht | ctennis: yeah | 20:16 |
| ctennis | I did that, but when I set those values the server won't start at all | 20:16 |
| devcamcar | creiht: we are using current launchpad ppas for siwft | 20:16 |
| creiht | both of those should point to paths to the files | 20:16 |
| ctennis | with no output in the syslog | 20:17 |
| devcamcar | creiht: and we have 1 zone, just verified, because of a problem with the script i was running :) | 20:17 |
| creiht | ctennis: auth, or proxy? | 20:17 |
| redbo | it's probably expecting the auth server to be ssl | 20:17 |
| ctennis | creiht: auth | 20:17 |
| ctennis | creiht: err, sorry, proxy | 20:17 |
| creiht | k | 20:17 |
| ctennis | cert_file/key_file valid configuration items for the auth server too then? | 20:17 |
| ctennis | I didn't try that, but it would make sense (I don't think they're listed in the docs) | 20:18 |
| creiht | Those config values should work for all of our wsgi services | 20:18 |
| ctennis | ok, great. I'll try it. | 20:18 |
| creiht | ctennis: and you can try running the service directly to see what error you get | 20:18 |
| creiht | like: | 20:18 |
| creiht | swift-auth /etc/swift/auth.conf | 20:19 |
| creiht | or | 20:19 |
| ctennis | ah, ok excellent | 20:19 |
| creiht | swift-proxy-server /etc/swift/proxy.conf | 20:19 |
| ctennis | If I'm successfull I'll report back. It was pretty easy to hack up cyberduck thus far. | 20:19 |
| ctennis | thank you creiht | 20:19 |
| creiht | ctennis: If you get everything working, there are several people who would like to know about it :) | 20:19 |
| ctennis | I bet! | 20:20 |
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| creiht | devcamcar: The traceback you posted above looks like old code | 20:20 |
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| redbo | he might be using the release ppas | 20:20 |
| devcamcar | creiht: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/swift-core/ppa/ubuntu lucid main | 20:21 |
| devcamcar | no good? | 20:21 |
| creiht | devcamcar: btw: http://swift.openstack.org/deployment_guide.html | 20:21 |
| * creiht can't verify if the ppas work well yet | 20:21 | |
| creiht | We are still having a couple of issues with them in our lab, and have been working through some kinks | 20:21 |
| creiht | usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/swift/ring_builder.py | 20:22 |
| creiht | is now swift/common/ring/builder.py | 20:22 |
| vishy | any nova-ites on right now. I want to discuss testing | 20:22 |
| creiht | so something doesn't seem right | 20:22 |
| devcamcar | creiht: damn, ppa is giving out old code then :( | 20:22 |
| creiht | not sure how that is possible :/ | 20:23 |
| creiht | mtaylor: -^ | 20:23 |
| creiht | as that would be pre-openstack naming | 20:23 |
| redbo | are you sure you don't have the pre-ppa version and the ppa version installed? | 20:23 |
| vishy | creiht: I always blame monty | 20:23 |
| creiht | :) | 20:23 |
| creiht | devcamcar: btw, looks like several of us are coming to the meetup | 20:24 |
| devcamcar | redbo: new boxes, shouldn't be possible, unless i had a diff ppa in there at some point and didn't notice, but i'm pretty sure that didn't happen | 20:25 |
| devcamcar | creiht: awesome, i'll be there the 24th and 25th | 20:25 |
| devcamcar | er | 20:25 |
| devcamcar | 26th and 27th rather | 20:25 |
| vishy | creiht: the code-a-thon on the 26th? | 20:25 |
| creiht | yeah | 20:25 |
| creiht | or whatever this is: http://www.meetup.com/openstack/calendar/14159385/?__force_urlname=true | 20:25 |
| creiht | vishy: is that the same thing? | 20:27 |
| pvo | mtaylor: do you know of anything that works like tarmac for git? | 20:28 |
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| mtaylor | pvo: I do not - although I suppose it would be possible to write one | 20:30 |
| mtaylor | pvo: you'd need an approved merge queue somewhere to read | 20:30 |
| mtaylor | creiht: eek. sorry - I'll look in to that and see what's up | 20:31 |
| pvo | mtaylor: yea, I would have thought there is an easy to find tool, but in a bit of googling can't find something. will dig further. | 20:31 |
| creiht | mtaylor: it may not be an issue, but I know we still don't have the ppas working quite how we would like yet | 20:31 |
| mtaylor | creiht: agree | 20:31 |
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| mtaylor | pvo: I think the protected-trunk idea still hasn't caught on in the wild quite yet - most folks seem to still push to trunk and then run post-push tests as far as I can tell | 20:32 |
| pvo | I <3 it | 20:34 |
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| mtaylor | pvo: I'm going to be working on a hudson plugin to do what tarmac is doing in a more integrate fashion - should be easy enough to make that plugin also support git/github once it's up and going | 20:35 |
| mtaylor | pvo: eventually I want us to be able to offer a build-farm-as-a-service | 20:35 |
| mtaylor | that works like this - watch a launchpad/github project for merge approvals, run the tests, push, etc. | 20:35 |
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| pvo | mtaylor: I like it | 20:44 |
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| mtaylor | pvo: sweet! | 20:44 |
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| vishy | creiht: yes same thing | 20:52 |
| creiht | vishy: cool, then several of us will be there :) | 20:52 |
| vishy | so i'm trying to improve our testing again | 20:53 |
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| vishy | i need to figure out how we can run objectstore in test mode | 20:53 |
| vishy | anyone want to help/lend ideas? | 20:54 |
| vishy | pair? | 20:54 |
| vishy | etc | 20:54 |
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| soren | vishy: test mode? As in without ever touching the filesystem? | 21:32 |
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| soren | Meh, I should be heading bedwards anyway. | 21:41 |
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| * soren has wasted an unreasonable amount of time today trying to debug his UML guest image only to just now discover that there's a bug in the particular version of UML on his laptop. *sigh* | 21:42 | |
| soren | I'll be it was fine to begin with. | 21:43 |
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| devcamcar | creiht: whats a sane number for the partition power? i see 18 as default everywhere | 21:49 |
| devcamcar | creiht: but i dont fully understand how that affects things | 21:49 |
| creiht | http://swift.openstack.org/deployment_guide.html#preparing-the-ring | 21:50 |
| creiht | Explains it a bit | 21:50 |
| creiht | 2**18 is what we use in most of our testing/staging environments | 21:50 |
| devcamcar | thanks! | 21:51 |
| creiht | The main thing to remember is that once it is set, you can't really change it | 21:51 |
| devcamcar | are there performance penalties for going higher? | 21:54 |
| devcamcar | hard to know how many drives there will be in the future | 21:54 |
| devcamcar | might be good to set it to 20 if that doesn't hurt things | 21:54 |
| creiht | If you go too high, then things like replication can slow down | 21:54 |
| devcamcar | how high is too high? :) | 21:55 |
| creiht | 20 shouldn't be a problem | 21:55 |
| redbo | shouldn't hurt too much. more partitions, but they will be sparser. | 21:55 |
| devcamcar | ok | 21:55 |
| devcamcar | think 20 seems like a safe number for us | 21:55 |
| gholt | We try to come up with a partition count that equals the number of expected devices at maximum cluster size * 100. | 21:55 |
| creiht | That would mean >10k drives at 100 parts per drive | 21:55 |
| devcamcar | we have lots of data :) | 21:56 |
| creiht | That would be 20Pb of total storage | 21:56 |
| devcamcar | yea that is a reasonable start for us actually | 21:56 |
| creiht | almost 7Pb usable | 21:56 |
| gholt | The main reason for devices * 100 is that you can still tweak device weights at 1% granularity. | 21:57 |
| devcamcar | our first nebula pilot for swift is about 100T usable | 21:57 |
| devcamcar | min_part_hours - 12 or 24? i see both. what is real world impact? | 21:58 |
| gholt | That's based on how long replication is testing and is just a safety feature, not required to be set perfectly. | 21:59 |
| gholt | s/testing/taking/ | 21:59 |
| creiht | devcamcar: That is how much time must elapse before the ring will allow a replica of a partition to move | 21:59 |
| creiht | and yeah that can change down the road | 21:59 |
| devcamcar | ok cool | 21:59 |
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| creiht | 24 should be pretty safe, which means after it has moved one replica, it wont allow you to move any replicas of that partitions for another 24 hours | 22:00 |
| creiht | s/partitions/partition | 22:00 |
| devcamcar | creiht: got it | 22:01 |
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| ctennis | where does one set the proxy server url that the auth server returns? | 22:25 |
| ctennis | the default_cluster_url in auth-server.conf doesn't seem to impact it | 22:25 |
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| gholt | Ah, that's only at account creation. | 22:32 |
| gholt | If you need to change it afterwards, you just have to update the db field, sorry. Danged dev auth servers. :) | 22:32 |
| gholt | It's just a sqlite db, usually at /etc/swift/auth.db so sqlite3 /etc/swift/auth.db should get you going. | 22:33 |
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| ctennis | hm, ok thank you | 22:38 |
| ctennis | I'll just create a new account then | 22:38 |
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| ctennis | success on getting cyberduck to talk to swift | 23:31 |
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