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| soren | creiht: | 10:27 |
| soren | Whoops | 10:27 |
| soren | mtaylor: I've filed bug #620368 and bug #620367, grabbed python-eventlet from the swift ppa, updated it to 0.9.10, and fiddled a bit with debian/control to stop pretending it's already in Debian :) | 10:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 620368 in ubuntu "[FFe] new package: python-eventlet" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620368 | 10:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 620367 in ubuntu "[FFe] new package: swift" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620367 | 10:28 |
| soren | mtaylor: It still has your name on it (as the Original-Maintainer), though, so I'd like your approval before I actually upload it. | 10:29 |
| soren | mtaylor: As for Swift, how ready is that for upload? Is there anything you want to do to it, before I review and sponsor the upload? | 10:30 |
| soren | dendrobates: ^ fyi. | 10:31 |
| maggiolo00 | hi | 10:39 |
| maggiolo00 | which ide do you use for python? | 10:40 |
| soren | vi | 10:41 |
| maggiolo00 | thanks | 10:42 |
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| justinsb | maggiolo00: eclipse has really good python integration also, if you're already familiar with eclipse: http://pydev.org/ | 11:41 |
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| dendrobates | soren: thanks | 11:43 |
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| soren | I think we're pretty close to UML supporting the full feature set needed by Nova. Yay for testing! | 12:43 |
| justinsb | soren: That will be a great feature... e.g. if we want to fill up capacity with super-low priority tasks (e.g. Hadoop) | 12:48 |
| soren | justinsb: I guess. I wasn't really expecting to use it for production. I just don't have much hardware to test with, so being able to test Nova *in the cloud* would make my life much simpler. | 12:49 |
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| justinsb | soren: I'm looking at VirtualBox for the same reasons... | 12:51 |
| justinsb | soren: I just think your UML feature might have more wide-spread usefulness down the road... | 12:51 |
| soren | justinsb: It's possible. I haven't benchmarked it in recent time (last time was probably... wow, 5-7 years ago), but back in the day, it was quite slow. | 12:57 |
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| justinsb | soren: Though maybe you should just ask your manager for the hardware you need :-) | 13:00 |
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| jero | uml? is that still developped? | 13:07 |
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| dendrobates | soren: are you pushing you libvirt patches to the ubuntu libvirt package and to upstream | 13:10 |
| dendrobates | soren: are you testing with Mavrick? | 13:11 |
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| jero | nevermind | 13:17 |
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| soren | dendro-afk: Upstream for now. Once reviewed, I'll push to Maverick. | 13:37 |
| soren | dendro-afk: I'm testing with maverick, yes. | 13:37 |
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| soren | justinsb: I've considered it :) | 13:40 |
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| zul | soren: rackspace must have some spare hardware ;) | 13:40 |
| soren | zul: I'm sure they do. In San Antonio :) | 13:40 |
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| zul | soren: heh time to move ;) | 13:41 |
| soren | zul: I think asking San Antonio to move to Aalborg is a bit of a stretch. | 13:41 |
| soren | ;) | 13:41 |
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| notmyname | ^ sounds like a sequel to a movie | 14:43 |
| uvirtbot | notmyname: Error: "sounds" is not a valid command. | 14:43 |
| jero | ^ shutdown | 14:44 |
| uvirtbot | jero: Error: "shutdown" is not a valid command. | 14:44 |
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| jero | ^ whoami | 14:46 |
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| soren | jero: Rude. 14:45 < jero> ^ shutdown | 15:08 |
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| mtaylor | soren: swift is pretty ready for upload... although it might be a good idea to cut a new tarball release and release that | 15:14 |
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| eday | soren: is there any reason why regular qemu wasn't working for cloud in the cloud? | 16:00 |
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| cw_ | wrt to swift, when the ring is updated ... how do you encorce all object stores see the update and import it in a timely manner? | 17:46 |
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| gholt | One option is to just scp the new ring to all the servers. They will auto-reload when they see the modtime change, ~15seconds. | 17:49 |
| gholt | Another option is to place the ring on an interval web server and have each store server wget it if the last-modified header has changed. -N I think. | 17:52 |
| gholt | s/interval/internal/ | 17:52 |
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| gholt | That'd be good to add to the admin guide for swift. I'll make a bug to do that. | 17:55 |
| eday | _cerberus_, gundlach: any chance I can get an Approve (or reasons not) on the api-tests branch? would like to land that today if possible. thanks! | 17:56 |
| gundlach | i'll leave that to _cerberus_ as he's way more familiar with testing | 17:56 |
| gundlach | (unless you're slammed, _cerberus_) | 17:56 |
| _cerberus_ | I've been looking at it. It looks basically the same from yesterday | 17:56 |
| _cerberus_ | i.e. good | 17:57 |
| eday | _cerberus_: yeah, nothing changed but a few pylintrc updates | 17:57 |
| _cerberus_ | reviwed as approved :-) | 17:58 |
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| eday | thanks! | 18:01 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #620586 in swift "Add how to push out new rings to the admin guide" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620586 | 18:05 |
| cw_ | gholt: if hw is down ... it won't see the update | 18:13 |
| cw_ | it seems the protocol should have a ring generate count | 18:13 |
| cw_ | so when talking you check you have the updated ring ... and if not you pull from a peer that does | 18:13 |
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| gholt | Those are possibilities. Right now ring changes are done manually and verifying they are pushed out is done manually. Automating that stuff is on the to do list. :) | 18:15 |
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| soren | mtaylor: Cool beans. Can you take care of that today? The FFe bugs were approved. | 18:30 |
| soren | eday: Too darn slow. | 18:30 |
| soren | eday: Uselessly slow. | 18:30 |
| eday | soren: ahh, ok | 18:30 |
| soren | eday: uml has a way smaller footprint both in terms of memory and CPU, so I can actually run a number of them even on small rackspace cloud instances. | 18:31 |
| mtaylor | creiht: you ok with cutting a new tarball from what's in trunk? | 18:31 |
| soren | mtaylor: Are you cool with the eventlet package? | 18:31 |
| mtaylor | soren: yeah | 18:31 |
| soren | mtaylor: Enough that I can keep your name on it, that is. | 18:31 |
| mtaylor | soren: I feel like I pulled that from someone else... | 18:32 |
| soren | mtaylor: Otherwise, I can just put my own. | 18:32 |
| soren | mtaylor: Very likely. The ITP bug linked to an almost-done package. Maybe that's where you started. | 18:32 |
| mtaylor | soren: oh - no, I think I did that one from scratch actually | 18:33 |
| mtaylor | soren: yeah - that's all me | 18:33 |
| soren | mtaylor: Great. I'll upload it now. | 18:33 |
| mtaylor | soren: cool. where did you make your changes? I suppose I should push my packaging branch... | 18:34 |
| mtaylor | or we can just make one once you've uploaded | 18:34 |
| soren | mtaylor: I made a few changes, and pushed the fresh version to my PPA. | 18:34 |
| soren | mtaylor: If you want to have a glance first, that's cool. | 18:35 |
| soren | mtaylor: I fiddled a bit with debian/rules. | 18:35 |
| soren | mtaylor: Most of the rules in there seemed superfluous. | 18:35 |
| soren | mtaylor: and I changed the maintainer stuff in debian/control. | 18:36 |
| soren | mtaylor: ..and pruned the changelog a bit. | 18:36 |
| soren | mtaylor: Yup, I think that's it. | 18:36 |
| mtaylor | cool | 18:38 |
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| soren | mtaylor: So you want to look at it first, or am I ok to upload? | 18:38 |
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| mtaylor | soren: nope. I think you're fine to go | 18:44 |
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| soren | mtaylor: it's in the NEW queue. | 18:54 |
| mtaylor | soren: excellent | 18:55 |
| soren | mtaylor: I really would like to get swift uploaded today, too. I'm going to go over the packaging now. | 18:57 |
| mtaylor | k. | 18:59 |
| creiht | mtaylor: hrm | 18:59 |
| mtaylor | creiht: or should we just release 1.0.2 into ubuntu? | 18:59 |
| creiht | I'm close to having some changes | 19:00 |
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| creiht | but it may not until first of next week | 19:00 |
| creiht | There are also some changes in the current stuff | 19:00 |
| creiht | ie. gholt's container metadata | 19:01 |
| creiht | Which has hardly been tested | 19:01 |
| mtaylor | ok | 19:01 |
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| creiht | Not sure if I'm really comfortable with making it an official release | 19:01 |
| creiht | Unless there was a real compelling reason to do so | 19:01 |
| mtaylor | creiht: alright - we'll just get 1.0.2 in then and then do an update whenever it's ready | 19:01 |
| creiht | k | 19:02 |
| creiht | mtaylor: With the amount of changes we are doing, it is likely we are going to want to bump to 1.1 anyways | 19:04 |
| creiht | on the next release | 19:04 |
| mtaylor | excellent | 19:05 |
| mtaylor | soren: grab lp:swift/debian up through rev 45 | 19:05 |
| mtaylor | soren: I hadn't set up the other branches there properly yet ... this seems like a good time to do so | 19:05 |
| soren | mtaylor: mkay | 19:06 |
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| soren | mtaylor: Why the --no-start to dh_installinit? | 19:15 |
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| mtaylor | soren: I didn't do that bit ... that's the way they had it set up | 19:16 |
| soren | ok | 19:16 |
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| eday | mtaylor, soren: Do either of you know why LP will show conflicts in a merge proposal when they don't actually exist with trunk? What else would it be diffing against? | 19:23 |
| eday | I've seen it a couple times, always wondered why | 19:24 |
| zaitcev | What am I supposed to do to know where .unittests fails? | 19:24 |
| zaitcev | A bunch of 'E' is seen and then a hang forever. | 19:25 |
| soren | eday: link? | 19:25 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #620628 in swift "Add public container facility" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/620628 | 19:25 |
| eday | soren: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~eday/nova/api-tests/+merge/32960 | 19:26 |
| eday | soren: just merged into trunk with no issues | 19:26 |
| eday | zaitcev: run with verbose enabled to get more details, and if it's legit, report a bug | 19:27 |
| zaitcev | thanks, on it | 19:28 |
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| mtaylor | eday: no. it shouldn't do that | 19:28 |
| mtaylor | eday: I'll ask thumper when he wakes up | 19:29 |
| eday | all I can think is it is diffing against an old version of trunk, possibly when it was proposed rather than latest | 19:29 |
| eday | gundlach: ^^ | 19:29 |
| mtaylor | eday: it _should_ update the merge prop diff when trunk is updated | 19:30 |
| gundlach | either way, it makes the diff not reviewable, so if you didn't actually commit files with >>>>>>>>> TREE in them, then it's an LP bug | 19:30 |
| eday | gundlach: in that case, we can just merge into our own copy of trunk and review diff (I do that sometimes anyways since it's easier to read than the web page diff) | 19:31 |
| soren | eday: Good question. I have a hypothesis that I'm testing right now. | 19:32 |
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| gundlach | eday: so i'd need to 'bzr branch lp:nova temp; cd temp; bzr merge lp:~eday/somebranch; bzr diff'? | 19:33 |
| eday | gundlach: or just use the trunk copy you probably already have locallly. ie: cd nova/trunk; bzr merge ...; bzr diff; bzr revert (revert gets trunk back to state before merge) | 19:34 |
| soren | eday: Nope, no clue. | 19:35 |
| gundlach | eday: got it. so, that's a workaround, but i'd still rather not have to work around the bug. i'll review your code via the workaround, but should i be filing a bug report or something, mtaylor? | 19:35 |
| mtaylor | gundlach: I'll file one - you want me to subscribe you to it? | 19:36 |
| gundlach | mtaylor: no thanks -- just knowing that it'll get taken care of is plenty :) | 19:36 |
| _cerberus_ | eday: Crap, I missed those merge lines as well. I must have scrolled right by them | 19:37 |
| mtaylor | eday: it shows that it's been merged already | 19:39 |
| eday | mtaylor: it has, I just marked it as approved to see if it would still go through | 19:39 |
| eday | mtaylor: so, despite the diff showing a conflict, it landed just fine :) | 19:40 |
| mtaylor | damn. I should have told you not to do that ... I was trying to point lifeless at it real quick | 19:40 |
| mtaylor | oh well | 19:40 |
| eday | oh, I did that a bit ago.. not just now | 19:41 |
| mtaylor | eday: k | 19:41 |
| vishy | mtaylor: there were a couple of times when a branch was reported as rejected: no diff" | 19:41 |
| vishy | but it was actually merged | 19:41 |
| vishy | i assume that was a tarmac bug? | 19:41 |
| mtaylor | vishy: that's actually probably more likely correct- it's possible that a branch got merged in as part of someone elses branch? point me at it next time it happens and I'll doublecheck for you | 19:42 |
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| mtaylor | eday: I see different approved rev than merged-at rev | 19:42 |
| eday | mtaylor: hmm | 19:43 |
| mtaylor | eday: I have no idea what you've done here :) | 19:43 |
| soren | Tarmac merges the rev of the branch at the time it was set to "needs review", doesn't it? | 19:45 |
| eday | mtaylor: oh, that's just cause I was up to 253 in my branch, and trunk was at 248 (and 249 was the mrege) | 19:45 |
| mtaylor | eday: ah. gotcha | 19:45 |
| mtaylor | soren: yes | 19:45 |
| mtaylor | soren: sorry - I was trying to match two different unrelated bits of data in my brain | 19:46 |
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| ctennis | http://cloudscaling.com/blog/cloud-computing/technology/openstack-swift-barn-raising | 19:47 |
| eday | mtaylor: could it be due to there being a prerequisite branch? almost looks like it diffed against trunk without the pre-req | 19:48 |
| vishy | myaylor: it happened here | 19:48 |
| vishy | https://code.launchpad.net/~vishvananda/nova/fix-zipfile/+merge/32627 | 19:48 |
| vishy | status was changed back to Needs Review | 19:49 |
| vishy | but the changes showed up in trunk | 19:49 |
| eday | mtaylor: This and my 'api-port' branch (the prereq) was done with bzr pipelines too, if that's doing anything funky. I did have to pump some changes from api-port into api-tests | 19:49 |
| eday | mtaylor: although that shouldn't matter as they just appear as later merges | 19:50 |
| mtaylor | eday: ok - spoke with lifeless - diff only updates when the source branch updates, not when the target does | 19:51 |
| mtaylor | eday: so there may have been a conflict when you pushed which subsequently got fixed but the diff didn't get re-genned | 19:51 |
| mtaylor | eday: there is an outstanding bug about this | 19:51 |
| eday | mtaylor: ahh, ok. thanks! | 19:52 |
| mtaylor | eday: I'm going to me-too the bug and add it to our bucket | 19:53 |
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| letterj | soren: I see have looked at the packaging. What is the proper way to have the /etc/swift directory created? | 20:33 |
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| soren | letterj: Just shipping files in there will create it. | 20:38 |
| soren | letterj: Hang on, I have a number of patches for the packaging. I'll push them to launchpad.n | 20:38 |
| soren | letterj: Before uploading, I'll also trim the changelog down to just one entry saying "initial upload to ubuntu." and a reference to the FFe bug. | 20:39 |
| letterj | soren: So should the *.conf-sample files be moved there? | 20:39 |
| soren | letterj: That's how it's usually done. | 20:39 |
| soren | letterj: lp:~soren/swift/packaging | 20:39 |
| soren | letterj: Also, usually we start the daemons we install. | 20:40 |
| gholt | Hehe, the samples used to be in /etc/swift, but were then moved to /usr/share/doc for some reason. | 20:40 |
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| gholt | For swift, I'm pretty sure starting the daemons up automatically would be odd. They almost certainly will need some configuration first. | 20:41 |
| letterj | We had a request from our OPS guys not to start the daemons on install | 20:41 |
| letterj | and reboot | 20:42 |
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| gholt | Ah, that's true. If a server reboots, they'd prefer to inspect it manually before starting things up again. | 20:43 |
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| mtaylor | soren: I moved them out of /etc/swift because they were *.conf-sample and I didn't know enough to install them as *.conf | 20:45 |
| mtaylor | soren: with sample settings in there - seemed weird to install them in a conf file location and not actually have them be conf files, you know? | 20:45 |
| jero | just move all that to /bin | 20:46 |
| gholt | We could change the .conf-sample files to .conf files and just comment everything in them out [and document them a little bit better]. | 20:48 |
| mtaylor | gholt: I think that might solve my general beef with them | 20:48 |
| gholt | We would need to tweak the SAIO instructions a bit in such a case. swift-init has conditional code based on the location of conf files. /etc/swift/object-server.conf vs. /etc/swift/object-server/[1-4].conf for example. But not a big deal. | 20:50 |
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| soren | mtaylor: Hm.. | 20:51 |
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| soren | Not starting on boot wouldn't be against policy, but it would be very, very out of the ordinary. | 20:51 |
| _0x44 | termie, vish: Do you guys have a fast-import branch that fixes the BTreeBuilder bug? | 20:51 |
| letterj | gholt: Everything is commented out of the .conf-sample files | 20:52 |
| gholt | Well, I know rsync is that way. But they have a RSYNC_ENABLE setting in /etc/default/rsync | 20:52 |
| soren | I don't have the mental capacity to attack this right now, I'm afraid. It'll have to wait until tomorrow. | 20:52 |
| letterj | I'm talking about the swift *.conf-sample files | 20:54 |
| gholt | letterj: That's almost true with a couple not very notable exceptions. But I mean we could even comment out the section headers. Some things run based on the header existing. | 20:54 |
| mtaylor | yeah - the normal way to handle a package not booting on start is to put in a setting in /etc/default/foo that disables booting | 20:56 |
| mtaylor | and/or a debconf question that can set it | 20:56 |
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| cw | i don't see a debian/ dir in the repo | 21:03 |
| cw | is that something you can push out? | 21:03 |
| cw | certainly if you have pkg'ing stuff that would be useful | 21:03 |
| gholt | It's a separate swift/debian branch. | 21:04 |
| cw | actually, i do have some of it | 21:04 |
| cw | hmm | 21:04 |
| letterj | the debian dir is in a different branch lp:~swift-core/swift/debian | 21:05 |
| cw | how in bzr do i | 21:05 |
| cw | gah | 21:05 |
| cw | how in bzr do i switch to that? just reclone? | 21:05 |
| gholt | I just do it separately yeah. But I'm no bzr expert. | 21:05 |
| letterj | bzr branch lp:~swift-core/swift/debian | 21:06 |
| letterj | I just merge code in locally that I want to build packages for | 21:06 |
| letterj | if that code is different than what is in trunk | 21:07 |
| * mtaylor needs to push another debian branch and write up some expanded instructions | 21:08 | |
| mtaylor | since we're updating lp:~swift-core/swift/debian from hudson - we need another branch for actual releases based on tarball releases ... must document for people who aren't me | 21:09 |
| letterj | mtaylor: if soren is going to clean up the packaging then I guess we don't need to merge my branch | 21:11 |
| _cerberus_ | eday: you around? | 21:11 |
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| gholt | mtaylor: Here's an idea. What if the packages all installed as single replica stupid simple Swift? It'd work for say 3rd party developers that want something to test against. Everybody else would have to reconfigure things, but then again, they always would have. | 21:16 |
| mtaylor | gholt: yes. I think that makes the most sense to me | 21:17 |
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| mtaylor | gholt: I really prefer when installing a package gets me a basic working thing, personally | 21:17 |
| gholt | The /etc/default thing doesn't make sense the more I looked at it. It seems that controls boot-up and manual starts. For instance, rsync still won't run manually until you enable it in /etc/default | 21:17 |
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| gholt | I'll play around with a SwiftOne install. A single replica isn't something we've ever really done, heh. | 21:18 |
| mtaylor | sweet | 21:19 |
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| eday | _cerberus_: yeah | 21:22 |
| _cerberus_ | If you have some time today, would you mind looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~cerberus/nova/api_tests ? | 21:23 |
| eday | looking now | 21:23 |
| _cerberus_ | I started moving some stuff around and I'd like to get your opinion | 21:23 |
| eday | ahh, moving test/wsgi_test into nova/tests | 21:25 |
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| eday | so, for those you should use bzr mv, not a manual move | 21:25 |
| _cerberus_ | eday: Yeah, I know. There's more to it than that. I ran into issues with the git-bzr bridge so I had to do some wizardry with a patchfile and it forced a manual move :-/ | 21:26 |
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| eday | heh | 21:27 |
| spackest | so, I want to write something from java that interacts with swift. is the best bet to just form the http calls myself? | 21:27 |
| spackest | no java bindings yet, right? | 21:27 |
| spackest | best there is a restful web service, right? | 21:27 |
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| gholt | There is http://github.com/rackspace/java-cloudfiles | 21:28 |
| gholt | Meant for Rackspace's CloudFiles but can be commandeered to work with Swift. | 21:28 |
| gholt | Though, honestly, I prefer direct REST calls as I'm a control freak. :) | 21:29 |
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| eday | _cerberus_: you can remove the import * directives to group them all together too.. we'll probably want to just run nosetests which finds and picks up any unittests (ie, nosetests nova/tests/api) | 21:31 |
| gholt | mtaylor: One interesting caveat. We need xfs (or something support xattrs). A loopback device is fine, but can we mod /etc/fstab to automount that without getting into packaging trouble? | 21:31 |
| eday | I've slowly been plotting how to convert the old tests to be self containted and able to be nosetests-ized | 21:31 |
| _cerberus_ | eday: will do | 21:32 |
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| spackest | gholt: any guess on how much tweaking we'd have to do to get java-cloudfiles to work with swift? | 21:33 |
| gholt | afaik, you just need to tweak the auth_url in the cloudfiles.properties and don't use any of the CDN features. | 21:34 |
| eday | _cerberus_: so minus those couple things, everything else looks good | 21:35 |
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| _cerberus_ | eday: thanks for looking. I'm going to go ahead and write out some of the tests now looking for expected behavior, and then see about merging it in. Then we can work on the controllers and make the tests pass | 21:36 |
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| eday | _cerberus_: sounds good | 21:37 |
| spackest | we might just try the rest, there a good guide for the swift rest api? | 21:37 |
| spackest | not finding one in my simple searching | 21:37 |
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| cw | rackspace cloud flies docs | 21:39 |
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| cw | sadly it | 21:39 |
| gholt | Unfortunately, not yet. It's something we're working on though. The ... yeah those docs are your best bet right now. Just ignore the CDN stuff. | 21:39 |
| cw | sadly it's PDFs .... which bugs me when web site link to something fat | 21:39 |
| gholt | http://www.rackspacecloud.com/files/cf-devguide-20100217.pdf | 21:39 |
| mtaylor | gholt: week. that's gonna be fun. | 21:39 |
| mtaylor | gholt: I do not know the answer to that | 21:40 |
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| gholt | cw: We will fix that with Swift docs. I swear! :) | 21:40 |
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| letterj | gholt: Doesn't building the ring in the install present a few problems as well? | 21:46 |
| zooko | Greetings, people of #openstack! Yay for fully open source cloud services. | 21:46 |
| gholt | letterj: Well, I can ship a premade 127.0.0.1 ring. | 21:46 |
| gholt | zooko: Howdy | 21:47 |
| letterj | I was thinking about zones and devices | 21:47 |
| gholt | letterj: The problem with the fstab thing is: if modify it on package install, how to cleanly unmodify it on package uninstall. | 21:47 |
| gholt | This is going to be SwiftOne: 1 device, 1 zone | 21:48 |
| pvo | zooko: welcome to earth | 21:48 |
| letterj | will that even work? | 21:48 |
| gholt | Probably not with the current code, but it can work in theory. | 21:49 |
| gholt | Which is what I was going to work on. :) | 21:49 |
| cw | gholt: what are the 'rules' wrt to # zones and handoff? | 21:50 |
| * gholt is finding the relevant part in the code... lp is slow :) | 21:52 | |
| letterj | I don't see a SwiftOne being very useful. I would rather see a package install run on a server with multiple drives and xfs (or some appropriate file system) | 21:52 |
| gholt | But j, you can't guarantee somebody installing the packages has more than the one drive. | 21:53 |
| letterj | To me package install is for a multi-server installation. | 21:53 |
| gholt | It's useful for say, a tool builder who just needs something to test against. | 21:53 |
| gholt | The package install will be for both, but it can't be multi-server out of the box. There's no way to know what the settings should be. | 21:54 |
| gholt | cw: http://bit.ly/b3AdEu at the end, get_more_nodes | 21:54 |
| letterj | I guess I thought that's what the SAIO was for. | 21:55 |
| gholt | Basically, it grabs another node from zone that isn't in the set of zones for the previously given nodes. | 21:55 |
| zaitcev | I dunno if Ubuntu allows it, but on Fedora you can have openstack-swift-core (which is what you install your piles of 2U, 4U servers) and openstack-swift-1node that only contains a few entries in /etc/swift and gets slapped on top. | 21:55 |
| cw | gholt: so basically that implies 4 zones minimum | 21:56 |
| gholt | Yeah, or handoff simply won't happen. | 21:56 |
| gholt | I guess more specifically, replicas + 1 | 21:56 |
| cw | yeah | 21:57 |
| cw | but only 3 is tested :-) | 21:57 |
| gholt | Hehe | 21:57 |
| cw | per container replica control would be nice | 21:57 |
| cw | dont really see an easy way to do that right now | 21:58 |
| gholt | Yeah, that's a thing we'd like too. Haven't given a whole lot of though past "Damn, that'd be nice" heh. | 21:58 |
| redbo | That's probably going to be on our roadmap. | 21:58 |
| cw | you could probably have multiple ses of rings | 21:58 |
| cw | sets | 21:58 |
| cw | for each level of redundancy | 21:59 |
| cw | and map containers to them | 21:59 |
| gholt | Maybe, the downside to that is changing it on the fly. | 21:59 |
| redbo | I don't think that's necessary, you might need a ring with the maximum redundancy and only use like the first n nodes for whatever redundancy. | 21:59 |
| cw | there doesn't seem like there should be any problem in having large numbres of zones | 22:00 |
| redbo | replica count could be part of the container metadata | 22:00 |
| cw | i've pushed here to do one per rack for now | 22:00 |
| redbo | then you just have to futz with replication to make it know how many replicas an object should have | 22:01 |
| cw | redbo: say you have a max of 10 replicas ... and someone only wants 2 ... you have to know where those bits are | 22:01 |
| cw | and if you get failures, etc ... it gets more complex | 22:01 |
| redbo | you can just use the first 2 servers from the 10 node ring | 22:01 |
| cw | then it's uneven | 22:01 |
| cw | oh, i see what you mean | 22:01 |
| cw | first two listed ... not lowest two | 22:01 |
| redbo | That's all pretty easy, I think. Mostly replication is more complicated. I have a few ideas of how to make it work, but nothing solid. | 22:03 |
| redbo | for example, under the object directory, you could have like 1/ 2/ 3/ 4/ 5/ .. and under those are the files with that many replicas. | 22:04 |
| redbo | then you wouldn't have to rework replication too much | 22:04 |
| redbo | but that sucks in some ways, like you can't bump up the replica count of a container after it's created | 22:05 |
| redbo | and also replication might have to do n times the work to traverse partitions | 22:05 |
| zaitcev | tabled hardcodes R=3 | 22:06 |
| redbo | Right now swift's replica count is chosen when you build the ring, and we usually do 3. But it'd be nice if you could choose it per container or even per object. | 22:08 |
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| mtaylor | gholt: does it need to be in fstab for SwiftOne? | 22:09 |
| gholt | No, just needs to be auto-mounted somehow if we're going to have a auto-swift-is-running install. | 22:10 |
| mtaylor | gholt: perhaps the SwiftOne init script just does the mount -o loop on it | 22:10 |
| mtaylor | gholt: and then unmounts it on shutdown | 22:10 |
| gholt | Yeah, problem there is it's messy for "real" installations. Cheezy SwiftOne in my Production. | 22:10 |
| spackest | you guys see my blog posts about doing saio? http://blog.spack.net/?p=181 and http://blog.spack.net/?p=162 | 22:11 |
| mtaylor | totally- make the mounting behavior something easy to turn off | 22:11 |
| spackest | is that the goal of SwiftOne? | 22:11 |
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| gholt | spackest: Yes, somewhat. SwiftOne would actually be just one replica and [possibly] much simpler for a packaging system to handle. | 22:12 |
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| gholt | SAIO would remain as a simulated 4 server setup on one machine for Swift dev work. Whereas SwiftOne could be use for dev work against Swift. | 22:14 |
| hazmat | do folks here use coverage.py for testing code coverage.. in nova.. i get some errors trying to run it under coverage.py | 22:14 |
| hazmat | fwiw, the same works fine with swift | 22:15 |
| gholt | I'm not sure on nova, but on swift we use nosetests --with-coverage which is based on coverage.py iirc. | 22:16 |
| cw | gholt: do you know how 'full' you run the fs's typically? | 22:21 |
| cw | i'm assuming 80% or more once you hit some scale | 22:21 |
| cw | then you add more hw and rebalance | 22:21 |
| gholt | I think redbo knows this more than I, but yeah I think 75-80% is where things start falling off, performance wise. | 22:22 |
| cw | what's the fall off there? | 22:23 |
| cw | dir scanning time? | 22:23 |
| cw | certainly xfs on 2tb drives won't degrade very much for 5gb and smaller files quite that soon | 22:23 |
| gholt | Uhm, unsure to be honest. | 22:23 |
| gholt | redbo: Any thoughts? | 22:24 |
| cw | if your dirs get large, that can hurt a bit ... as those fragment | 22:24 |
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| hazmat | re nova, are there going to be two apis going forward (ec2) and rackspace.. or is the ec2 api in need of a maintainer? | 22:35 |
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| termie | _0x44: i do, it is literally copying the _find_ancestors from BtreeIndex to Btree Builder | 22:38 |
| termie | in btree_index.py in bzr | 22:38 |
| termie | _0x44: i don't see how it came back, it was gone for a long time | 22:38 |
| _0x44 | termie: I'm not having the problem but _cerberus_ is | 22:39 |
| termie | _0x44: i started getting it recently also | 22:39 |
| _0x44 | termie: He's been really frustrated with bzr/lp and started working on his own bridge using patch | 22:40 |
| termie | _0x44: a bunch of peopl just reported it on the project's issue trackeralso, i'm not sure what the best way to address it is | 22:40 |
| termie | it is has been raised with bzr | 22:40 |
| termie | but nobody wants to claim it is a bug | 22:41 |
| termie | i can fork bzr but it seems silly to tell people to install my branch | 22:41 |
| _0x44 | Well, now that there's a fix, at least he can patch it on his local machine | 22:41 |
| _0x44 | Thanks :D | 22:41 |
| _cerberus_ | termie: thanks termie. I'll consider installing your branch, actually | 22:42 |
| termie | _cerberus_: i'll push it to lp | 22:42 |
| termie | bzr branch bzr bzr_ancestors is somehow outrageously slow | 22:43 |
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| termie | from a local checkout | 22:44 |
| _0x44 | termie: s/branch.*how/is/ | 22:44 |
| _0x44 | Fixed it for you. | 22:44 |
| gholt | mtaylor, soren, letterj, redbo: Well, running swift with just one replica seems to be just fine. Of course, there's a lot of packaging work that'll go into making it install that way, but it's reasonably possible. | 22:45 |
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| gholt | But, I'm done for today. There's always tomorrow. | 22:46 |
| termie | _cerberus_: https://code.launchpad.net/~termie/bzr/bzr_btree_ancestors | 22:46 |
| termie | _cerberus_: added two new features to git-bzr-ng today, btw | 22:46 |
| _cerberus_ | Thanks man, much appreciated | 22:46 |
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| termie | http://github.com/termie/git-bzr-ng/commit/f03d109c16761d171fdb2c229ae8e4ed629fb93a | 22:52 |
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| termie | _cerberus_: let me know if that stuff solves the problem, and git bzr clear may help you clear out messed up info so that you can try to push again | 22:58 |
| zaitcev | File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/httplib.py", line 736, in connect | 23:00 |
| zaitcev | self.timeout, self.source_address) | 23:00 |
| zaitcev | TypeError: create_connection() takes at most 2 arguments (3 given) | 23:00 |
| zaitcev | Bet this stuff works dandy on a box with 2.6 | 23:00 |
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| mtaylor | _cerberus_: sorry you're having issues with launchpad - anything I can do to help? | 23:07 |
| mtaylor | termie: do you happen to know the bzr bug number for the bug you just worked around? | 23:07 |
| termie | mtaylor: yeah, one sec | 23:09 |
| termie | mtaylor: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-fastimport/+bug/541626 | 23:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 541626 in bzr-fastimport "'BTreeBuilder' object has no attribute '_find_ancestors'" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 23:09 |
| termie | mtaylor: also if you google for bzr and _find_ancestors | 23:09 |
| mtaylor | termie: excellent. thanks ... I'll follow up with them on that | 23:09 |
| termie | mtaylor: it got moved from bzr to bzr-fastimport at some point, just copying the method seems to fix it | 23:10 |
| mtaylor | having to have people install your branch of bzr seems... unworkable long term :) | 23:10 |
| termie | mtaylor: agreed | 23:10 |
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| littleidea | This is a chef'd install of SAIO we're using for our work. http://github.com/cloudscaling/swift-solo/ | 23:18 |
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| littleidea | If it's useful for anyone or you have improvements, let us know. | 23:19 |
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| creiht | gholt: I had started working on a swift one proof of concept (except all services would work in one process), would you like to see that? | 23:30 |
| creiht | It didn't quite work the way I wanted, but some of the other pieces may be useful for the approach that you are doing | 23:31 |
| creiht | (unless you already got that going) | 23:31 |
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