| gholt | creiht: Yeah, I got that part working already. Actually the way code is now, it took about as long as it took to build a new vm to try it out. :) | 00:00 |
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| creiht | hehe | 00:02 |
| creiht | Yeah it doesn't take much to get it to work | 00:02 |
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| creiht | https://code.launchpad.net/~cthier/swift/middleware_refactor/+merge/33177 | 00:54 |
| creiht | gholt: -^ | 00:54 |
| creiht | Unit tests and funtional tests pass, and initial testing on my vm looks good | 00:54 |
| creiht | I still need to update docs, so it isn't ready to be approved yet, but wanted to get it up so people could look at it | 00:54 |
| creiht | To all other onlookers, this change will refactor swift to make better use of wsgi middleware, and also introduces using paste.deploy for wsgi app configuration | 00:55 |
| creiht | This also means that the swift configs for the web services have to change once this is committed | 00:55 |
| creiht | feel free to take a look, and comments/bashing are more than welcome | 00:56 |
| creiht | gholt: I'll try to get the doc updates done this evening | 00:56 |
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| creiht | gholt: alright... docs are now committed, and it is ready to be reviewed :) | 02:33 |
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| yaneti | just a minor quibble | 07:12 |
| yaneti | " | 07:12 |
| yaneti | openstack@lists.launchpad.net | 07:12 |
| yaneti | Policy: You must be a team member to subscribe to the team mailing list. | 07:12 |
| yaneti | " | 07:12 |
| yaneti | really ? | 07:12 |
| yaneti | not that I don't have an account in launchpad but "team member" ... | 07:13 |
| yaneti | anyways, cheers | 07:14 |
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| klumpie | <- drunk, sorry :o | 10:52 |
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| jero | morning | 13:32 |
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| aghaster | Hi | 13:46 |
| aghaster | I successfully set up a swift installation in a virtual machine using the guide for swift all-in-one | 13:47 |
| aghaster | I started using php-cloudfiles to connect to it and send some simple commands, and did the same manually with curl | 13:47 |
| aghaster | is there any kind of web interface available? | 13:47 |
| aghaster | it'd be much easier | 13:47 |
| aghaster | I know there's cyberduck, but it's for mac os x only | 13:48 |
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| notmyname | aghaster: the trick is finding something that works with swift and doesn't assume cloud files | 13:51 |
| notmyname | for example, fireuploader (a firefox extension) works with cloud files, but it will only work with swift if you can switch the auth url in fireuploader | 13:52 |
| notmyname | Cloud Mobile is an iPhone app that will work with swift | 13:53 |
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| Guest721 | Hi, is it possible to use IPOIB for ring replication? | 13:57 |
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| notmyname | Glacee: IPOIB? | 13:57 |
| Glacee | for swift | 13:57 |
| Glacee | IP over infiniband | 13:58 |
| Glacee | I want to use infiniband instead of 10gbe | 13:58 |
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| notmyname | since swift is all at the application layer, the interconnects shouldn't matter too much | 13:58 |
| notmyname | use token ring if it makes you happy :-) | 13:59 |
| Glacee | ok thanks.. | 13:59 |
| Glacee | i will try it with infiniband | 13:59 |
| aghaster | notmyname: is there a page on the wiki that lists compatible apps? | 13:59 |
| notmyname | aghaster: no, I don't think so | 13:59 |
| aghaster | I'll try fireuploader then | 14:00 |
| notmyname | aghaster: look for 3rd party tools for cloud files and you may run across some other things | 14:00 |
| notmyname | Glacee: when you get it working, let us know. we don't use it at rackspace, so it would be good info for the next person who asks | 14:01 |
| Glacee | hehe sure | 14:01 |
| Glacee | i will receive my stuff within the next month and i will let you know | 14:01 |
| notmyname | Glacee: so to read between the lines: I don't know anything about infiniband. but I don't know why it won't work | 14:02 |
| Glacee | yeah i understood that hehe.. but yes this is what i was thinking.. if I use it as IP over infiniband.. so I give an ip adress to my IB card.. it should be fine | 14:02 |
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| notmyname | is infiniband more expensive than 10gbe? | 14:04 |
| Glacee | super less expensive | 14:04 |
| Glacee | :0 | 14:04 |
| Glacee | and a lot faster | 14:04 |
| Glacee | depends on your IB adapter and swtiches.. but you can go up as 25000mb | 14:05 |
| Glacee | the best card and swtiches are 40gb | 14:05 |
| Glacee | a switch is around 5k and cards around 500-600 | 14:06 |
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| Glacee | but cables are more expansive.. about 60$ for 3feet | 14:07 |
| notmyname | our setup for cloud files is (multiple) 10gbe to the proxy servers and then 1gbe to the storage nodes | 14:07 |
| Glacee | cool.. i want to try infiniband for proxy servers and 1gb for storage nodes | 14:07 |
| notmyname | if you are using SSL (recommended for all but a completely private cluster), you may have some issues filling up the pipe | 14:10 |
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| ctennis | ok, so if I'm building a ring on a device, and point it to some remote ip address nodes, I also have to similarly build the same ring on that device and point it back to the first node right? | 15:53 |
| creiht | ctennis: We generall build the ring with all devices on it on one machine, and then distribute that ring out to all the servers | 15:54 |
| ctennis | how does it distribute? | 15:55 |
| creiht | The ring should have all the storage devices that you want | 15:55 |
| creiht | ctennis: that is left as an excersize for the reader :) | 15:55 |
| creiht | but you could scp it | 15:55 |
| creiht | or have an rsync job on each machine that pulls the latest copy | 15:55 |
| ctennis | just the ring.gz file? | 15:55 |
| creiht | etc. | 15:55 |
| creiht | yeah | 15:55 |
| ctennis | ok, what about the secondary servers, like the reapers and whatnot, do they need to be running on all of the nodes as well? | 15:56 |
| creiht | and you will need a ring.gz for the object, container, and account | 15:56 |
| creiht | ctennis: all the services need to be run as well | 15:56 |
| ctennis | on each node | 15:56 |
| creiht | yes | 15:56 |
| ctennis | ok, great | 15:56 |
| creiht | for each server type | 15:57 |
| creiht | so if you aren't running the account server on a node, it doesn't need the other account-* services | 15:57 |
| ctennis | I assume though that in building the ring, we can't use 127.0.0.1 as an address, since if that gets distributed to another node, it won't know about the correct IP of the first one | 15:57 |
| creiht | correct | 15:57 |
| ctennis | realizing it works fine in the examples for doing everything on just one machine though | 15:57 |
| ctennis | ok, awesome | 15:57 |
| ctennis | once the ring is built, does the .gz file change at all via other external means? | 15:58 |
| creiht | nope | 15:58 |
| ctennis | ie, do we need to worry about keeping it rsynced | 15:58 |
| creiht | only if you manually change it | 15:58 |
| ctennis | ok, awesome | 15:58 |
| ctennis | thanks for the hints | 15:58 |
| creiht | normally we have an admin machine that we do all the ring management on, then the rings get pushed out | 15:58 |
| ctennis | the servers needed re-inited after a ring change then? | 15:59 |
| creiht | We also have something that checks the md5sums of the rings on all the nodes to make sure we don't accidently get a node with the wrong ring | 15:59 |
| creiht | The servers will reload the ring (within 15 seconds) | 15:59 |
| ctennis | awesome, so there's no need to tell them to manually rebalance on a ring change then? | 16:00 |
| creiht | correct, once you push out the rings, it should all take care of itself | 16:00 |
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| creiht | replicators will pick up that partitions aren't supposed to be on there any longer, and rsync them to their new location | 16:00 |
| creiht | And I'm supposed to be off today, so time to spend some time with the kids :) | 16:02 |
| zooko | Good morning (UTC-6), people of #openstack. | 16:02 |
| ctennis | thanks creiht | 16:05 |
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| cwarner__ | Hello, everyone. :) | 16:17 |
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| cwarner__ | I have a question about multi-tenancy in Swift. Objects are stored in ring partitions based purely on the MD5 of their contents, right? Does this mean that data from different customer accounts is co-mingled on the devices? | 16:23 |
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| ctennis | cwarner__ yes, that is correct | 16:28 |
| gholt | Other than it's the MD5 of the object's path, yes. | 16:28 |
| cwarner__ | Ah, okay. Great, thanks! :) | 16:28 |
| ctennis | gholt: in allocating space for the various server data, I assume you allocate a lot more for the object-server than the container and account servers? | 16:29 |
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| redbo | ctennis: they actually cohabitate on our installation. But yeah, accounts generally take up little space, containers medium space, and objects lots of space. | 16:54 |
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| mtaylor | soren: I got distracted by some things ... I'll try to get some swift packaging stuff pushed up for you to look at here in just a bit | 17:48 |
| mtaylor | letterj: ^^ | 17:48 |
| letterj | mtaylor: Cool, I redid my merge to only include the rsync dependency and removed the duplicate net-tools reference | 17:49 |
| mtaylor | letterj: yup. saw that. | 17:50 |
| letterj | At some point we need to have a good discussion about what the packages are suppose to do. | 17:51 |
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| vishy | does anyone know where auth.py came from? | 18:03 |
| vishy | i don't know how to do git blame with bzr | 18:03 |
| cw | annotate? | 18:07 |
| * cw is guessing | 18:07 | |
| cw | yeah, that works | 18:08 |
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| gholt | Most stuff will be attributed to creiht, since he did the initial uploads. :) | 18:28 |
| gholt | But, in this case, he did write auth.py in swift. | 18:29 |
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| termie | soren: ping, was wondering whether denmark has telcos that offer flat rate data prepaid | 19:21 |
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| termie | soren: or alternatively at least who some mobile providers tehre are | 19:21 |
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| blpiatt | anyone here able to answer some questions or point me to documentation about the vlan and advanced networking features in nova? | 19:51 |
| eday | blpiatt: http://nova.openstack.org/network.html is the best there is at the moment | 19:51 |
| blpiatt | eday, perfect thanks | 19:52 |
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| vishy | blpiatt: i know quite a bit about it if you have any questions | 20:54 |
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| jero | does that include some form of IP filtering mechanism a la ec2's security groups ? | 20:55 |
| jero | oh, yes | 20:55 |
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| vishy | jero: security groups aren't implemented yet | 21:03 |
| zaitcev | I'm afraid I need coaching in Python. | 21:03 |
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| zaitcev | File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/swift-1.0.2-py2.7.egg/swift/common/bufferedhttp.py", line 80, in connect | 21:03 |
| zaitcev | return HTTPConnection.connect(self) | 21:03 |
| zaitcev | File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/httplib.py", line 736, in connect | 21:04 |
| zaitcev | self.timeout, self.source_address) | 21:04 |
| zaitcev | TypeError: create_connection() takes at most 2 arguments (3 given) | 21:04 |
| vishy | your code or distro? | 21:04 |
| zaitcev | When I copy-pasted the code from bufferedhttp.py into my own test.py, it worked fine. | 21:04 |
| vishy | different version of httplib? | 21:05 |
| zaitcev | A possiblity, yes. | 21:05 |
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| zaitcev | Actually, it should not be. But it's Python, and I'm entirely clueless about its workings. | 21:05 |
| jero | vishy: are they planned ? | 21:06 |
| vishy | jero: unsure | 21:10 |
| vishy | eventually yes | 21:10 |
| vishy | i should say that they are definitely planned, but they may not fit the aws api perfectly | 21:10 |
| vishy | so we'll have some sort of translation layer | 21:10 |
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| jero | vishy: does that mean instances should address network-level security at the guest os level ? or is there some kind of alternative mechanism | 21:20 |
| jero | eg. to allow selective traffic between instances without knowing their ip addresses in advance | 21:21 |
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| vishy | jero: right now it is trivial for all instances in a given project to be isolated | 22:39 |
| vishy | jero: we will have some sort of support for security groups, but rather than have it actually create unique subnets it will probably just be setting rules up per-instance | 22:41 |
| soren | termie: Mobile, you mean? Sure. | 22:45 |
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| mtaylor | tits | 23:15 |
| mtaylor | vishy: sorry - that's my fault | 23:15 |
| mtaylor | vishy: fixed | 23:19 |
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