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| PiyushK | anyone done with blueprints ..? | 02:09 |
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| pjz | anyone here? | 03:02 |
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| creiht | pjz: I just saw the email... I'll take a look at it tomorrow | 03:08 |
| creiht | and thanks for the contribution | 03:08 |
| pjz | np | 03:12 |
| pjz | it's totally minor just some typos | 03:12 |
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| creiht | every little bit helps | 03:16 |
| creiht | And I tend to make a lot of typos :) | 03:17 |
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| pack3754 | Hi all, just getting my feet wet with OpenStack. I'm sure I will be around asking questions during the next weeks | 03:36 |
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| adjohn | Hey all, just wanted to share a blueprint our team created and will be implementing shortly related to the networking side of openstack: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/extend-network-model Comments are most welcome :) | 05:48 |
| PiyushK | cool ! | 05:48 |
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| creiht | pjz: Have you signed the CLA? | 13:25 |
| creiht | http://wiki.openstack.org/HowToContribute | 13:25 |
| creiht | I don't see your name on the list that has | 13:25 |
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| zul | what is nova-instance-monitor? | 14:07 |
| vvuksan | Daemon for Nova RRD based instance resource monitoring. | 14:09 |
| zul | ah thanks | 14:10 |
| vvuksan | np | 14:10 |
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| zul | im getting the following when starting an instance "DEBUG Failed to add tap interface to bridge 'br100': No such device" | 14:38 |
| vvuksan | do you have br100 interface ? | 14:41 |
| soren | zul: I just sent Daviey my br100 config. Get it from him :) | 14:42 |
| zul | soren: thanks | 14:42 |
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| vvuksan | soren: just the person i was loking for :-) | 14:42 |
| vvuksan | soren: sudoers stuff in nova-common is broken | 14:42 |
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| notmyname | creiht: https://code.launchpad.net/~notmyname/swift/utils_bug/+merge/34429 | 15:00 |
| creiht | Man, you guys really want to keep me busy today don't you :) | 15:02 |
| notmyname | meh, that one should take about 30 seconds of your time ;-) | 15:03 |
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| pjz | creiht: signed the CLA | 15:56 |
| creiht | pjz: cool thanks! | 15:57 |
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| pjz | though it seems a bit of overkill for fixing typos in docco :) | 15:57 |
| creiht | hehe | 15:57 |
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| jerryk | Greetings, all. | 17:31 |
| vvuksan | hello | 17:31 |
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| rlucio | hey all... are there any specific development plans around statistics for nova? | 18:21 |
| rlucio | or we just using collectd :) | 18:21 |
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| vvuksan | there is the nova-instance-monitor that does something :-) | 18:24 |
| rlucio | well, yea its pretty cursory though and it isn't really being actively worked on atm | 18:28 |
| rlucio | i mean, if the project develops it and goes that route it is fine, or you could do what ovirt did and integrate with collectd or something else | 18:29 |
| jerryk | Is there a high level list of goals one would have for what sorts of stats one wants to gather, and what sorts of use humans and non-humans would like to make of them? | 18:30 |
| jerryk | That might make an interesting wiki discussion. | 18:30 |
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| vvuksan | certainly all the same ones that e.g. cloudwatch provides | 18:31 |
| jerryk | Since you can imagine many possibilities falling along a continuum from "humans will mine them manually when they think they care" to "non-human actuators will make policy or configuration tweaks in response to things that seem to happen." | 18:31 |
| vvuksan | load, network utilization, I/O etc. | 18:31 |
| jerryk | So functional parity with AMZN CloudWatch is an uncontroversial target? | 18:31 |
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| rlucio | well, you have vm guest and vm host stats | 18:32 |
| vvuksan | sure | 18:32 |
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| jerryk | So for instance being able to feed AWS Auto Scaling type functionality the input it needs to make decisions would also be a high priority? | 18:33 |
| vvuksan | well | 18:34 |
| vvuksan | i'd say let's get the basics done right before we venture into autoscaling | 18:34 |
| jerryk | vvuksan: Sounds right. I'm an interested but total newcomer, so I'm trying to get a sense for what's there now and what needs to be there next... | 18:34 |
| jerryk | :) | 18:35 |
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| vvuksan | i'd say initially no frills | 18:35 |
| vvuksan | let's make sure stuff works and that you can provision reliably | 18:35 |
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| rlucio | right, basic, thorough stats coverage really should be the priority, with a reasonable way to store long-term historical stats or their derivatives | 18:38 |
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| rlucio | imho | 18:38 |
| vvuksan | you could do ganglia pretty easily | 18:38 |
| vvuksan | i would leave this as an excercise to the "reader" :-) | 18:39 |
| rlucio | so its a green field for now then, got it :) | 18:39 |
| vvuksan | keep it simple | 18:39 |
| vvuksan | cause monitoring expands the scope | 18:40 |
| vvuksan | especially if you have to worry about differences monitoring KVM, Vbox, Xen etc. | 18:40 |
| rlucio | ah very true | 18:40 |
| vvuksan | you can get into some quicksand pretty quick :-) | 18:41 |
| vvuksan | btw I was gonna do a plug for my Nova-Solo project :-) http://github.com/vvuksan/nova-solo | 18:41 |
| jerryk | vvuksan: What a coincidence I was just reading about that as we speak. | 18:41 |
| rlucio | heh | 18:41 |
| vvuksan | :-D | 18:41 |
| jerryk | What sort of role do you see for Chef in the bigger openstack picture going forward? | 18:42 |
| vvuksan | i don't see a role :-) | 18:42 |
| vvuksan | this is mostly to make it easy for me to tear down and rebuild easily | 18:42 |
| vvuksan | it could have as easily be done with puppet or other config mgmt tools | 18:42 |
| jerryk | vvuksan: Indeed... but both real users deploying multi-VM app workloads into an openstack system, as well as those configuring the P2V layer will also have similar easy tear up and tear down needs. | 18:43 |
| jerryk | Which brings me to the newcomer question or whehter it's worth spending effort codifying that sort of thing? | 18:43 |
| vvuksan | no | 18:43 |
| jerryk | Or establish best practices for doing it where it doesn't already exist? | 18:43 |
| vvuksan | that's something that's best left to individual user | 18:43 |
| vvuksan | some people prefer chef, some people puppet etc. | 18:44 |
| jerryk | Another question... | 18:44 |
| jerryk | Do you think there's a big demand for sort of GUI-ish tools for defining multi-VM application workloads, the software stacks that constitute VMs, and how they're wired together as part of the app definition and/or deployment process? | 18:44 |
| jerryk | Or do you imagine so much idiosyncrasy in what people want to do that trying to do such a thing is a speed bump? | 18:44 |
| rlucio | vvuksan: glad you built that, i did the exact same thing (sorta) but with a fancy bash script | 18:45 |
| vvuksan | :-) | 18:45 |
| vvuksan | rlucio: i would appreciate any fixes/improvements | 18:45 |
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| vvuksan | it's work in progress | 18:45 |
| vvuksan | jerryk: i'm sure demand is there but there are players like Rightscale that fill that space | 18:46 |
| vvuksan | it's a tricky space | 18:46 |
| jerryk | vvuksan: It certainly seems like it. | 18:46 |
| rlucio | vvuksan: sure i'll take a look at it. | 18:46 |
| vvuksan | i think the most important part is to define basic building blocks that work well | 18:46 |
| vvuksan | then people can build services on top of it | 18:47 |
| vvuksan | otherwise we'll get too much stuff with each implemented poorly | 18:47 |
| jerryk | A sensible philosophy. | 18:48 |
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| vvuksan | jerryk: i have personally seen many projects like that :-) | 18:51 |
| jerryk | vvuksan: You mean projects that try to embrace the entire universe of every fevered dream that someone has about what someone who isn't them might want, and then perish in a fatal avalanche of sloppily implemented complexity? | 18:52 |
| jerryk | vvuksan: I've never heard of them. :-) | 18:52 |
| vvuksan | heh | 18:52 |
| vvuksan | or products where everything and the kitchen sink was thrown in to get a contract from one customer | 18:53 |
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| rlucio | yea, that's always a difficult situation to be in as a developer | 18:55 |
| vvuksan | hello joe | 18:55 |
| joearnold | vvuksan: hello! | 18:56 |
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| joearnold | vvuksan: nice work w/ the nova-solo. need to try it out. | 18:56 |
| vvuksan | thx :-) | 18:56 |
| vvuksan | inspired by swift-solo :-) | 18:56 |
| joearnold | vvuksan: we try. :) | 18:57 |
| joearnold | vvuksan: it already needs an update. littleidea / ctennis working through it | 18:57 |
| vvuksan | nice | 18:57 |
| littleidea | if only this code would write itself | 18:58 |
| vvuksan | rlucio: are nova-network and nova-volume consuming tons of CPU in your setup ? | 19:01 |
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| vvuksan | also rabbit seems to be quite busy | 19:02 |
| vvuksan | i should probably get some rabbit stats. I suspect something is not acked | 19:03 |
| rlucio | lemme check | 19:03 |
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| chmouel | is the container limit is of 10000 objects in swift still? | 19:07 |
| creiht | chmouel: There is no limit | 19:09 |
| creiht | But of course performance goes down a bit as you add more objects to a container | 19:09 |
| rlucio | vvuksan: nope not seeing any issues | 19:09 |
| creiht | Somewhere on the order of millions of objects in a container | 19:09 |
| vvuksan | rlucio: thx | 19:09 |
| chmouel | yeah thought so so python-cloudfiles may need to be updated | 19:10 |
| notmyname | chmouel: the listing limit is still 10000 | 19:11 |
| chmouel | ah k so that github bug is irrelevant? | 19:12 |
| creiht | ahh the listing limit | 19:12 |
| creiht | yeah we still have that sorry, misunderstood the question | 19:12 |
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| notmyname | chmouel: ya. I'm looking at the github issue now. btw, don't do anything with the pull request yet | 19:14 |
| chmouel | it's been a long time since there was a python-cloudfiles release btw | 19:17 |
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| chmouel | notmyname: you fixed/merged a couple of things lately isnt it ? | 19:18 |
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| notmyname | no, I don't think I have anything outstanding that needs to be added to the bindings right now. I want to wait on the server-side copy pull request until we know what we are doing on the cloud files side | 19:22 |
| chmouel | ah yeah that's neat | 19:22 |
| notmyname | chmouel: the Py2.7 TypeError issue should probably be resolved, though | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | chmouel: ok, I've cleaned up the issues there | 19:25 |
| chmouel | yeah i was going to do that just out of the old good time | 19:25 |
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| chmouel | notmyname: i sent you a pull request for that issue i wonder how that fancy new github pull review is working... | 19:49 |
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| notmyname | chmouel: probably won't get to it soon. gotta get openstack stuff done. (but the github interface looks great!) | 19:57 |
| chmouel | no problem I can review that server side copy commit if you want and have a look at those failing unit tests | 19:59 |
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| burris | I'm having troubles using the swift st tool, is the url supposed to point to the auth server or do I get my account hash and token from there and feed those to st which is pointed at a proxy server? | 20:01 |
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| burris | oh, I must have some other problem since the usage seems to indicate that you point it at the auth server and it gets a token from there | 20:03 |
| creiht | burris: yeah the auth server will provide the token and storage url which the will then be used | 20:04 |
| burris | I just keep getting 412 precondition faled | 20:04 |
| creiht | from st? | 20:05 |
| burris | yes | 20:05 |
| burris | hmm maybe I'm pointing it at the wrong socket, now I'm getting Unauthorized so I think I have some other issue now that I'm talking to the auth server | 20:05 |
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| burris | ok my whole problem is you have to specify <accountname>:<username> not just username | 20:08 |
| burris | now st seems to be work | 20:08 |
| burris | source code ftw | 20:08 |
| creiht | hehe | 20:08 |
| creiht | cool | 20:08 |
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| burris | uploading a file is failing though, object servers are barfing with Operation not supported | 20:13 |
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| burris | oh the filesystem doesn't support xattrs, I knew it needed that | 20:16 |
| creiht | burris: which fs? | 20:17 |
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| burris | probably ext3, this is vanilla ubuntu install so I know it doesn't have xattrs just like you guys said in the swift docs | 20:18 |
| creiht | if ext3, you should be able to enable xattrs | 20:18 |
| creiht | burris: add user_xattr to the options for the mount in /etc/fstab | 20:20 |
| burris | thanks! | 20:20 |
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| burris | hmm ext2 | 20:20 |
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| creiht | I think it may be the same, but I don't know for sure | 20:22 |
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| burris | doesn't look like it | 20:23 |
| burris | but I think I can just mount it with ext3 and it will be ok | 20:24 |
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| vishy | anything exciting happening today? | 22:07 |
| maplebed | WWII ended today in 1945, does that count? | 22:10 |
| maplebed | (http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0902.html#article) | 22:10 |
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| vishy | maplebed: i suppose that counts | 22:17 |
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| maple_bed | deb http://eucalyptussoftware.com/downloads/repo/eucalyptus/$VERSION/debian/ squeeze main | 22:35 |
| littleidea | Reading swift docs: Partitioning and independently assigning partition replicas also allowed for the best balanced cluster. The best of the other strategies tended to give +-10% variance on device balance with devices of equal weight and +-15% with devices of varying weights. The current strategy allows us to get +-3% and +-8% respectively. <-- how are those numbers calculated? | 22:35 |
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| maple_bed | sorry bout that spam. paste and screen were fighting. | 22:40 |
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| gholt | littleidea: Well, there's a this kinda raw internal page that creiht wrote up back when we were doing all that ring testing that I'd love to show ya, but, it's internal. Hmph. Essentially, we wrote code for all the various rings, made 10 equal weighted ones, 10 varying weighted ones, and then threw 10m objects at each. | 23:39 |
| littleidea | gholt: it would be interesting to see the ring implementation evolve and have some sense of what 'better' means to make decisions | 23:41 |
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| gholt | Yeah, it was definitely interesting times. Hehe. At some point when we get the time we should be able to do write up with sample code showing how we got "here". | 23:42 |
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