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Orman | Hey guys. | 01:18 |
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Orman | Wow it's quit on here. ;) | 01:19 |
Orman | quiet* | 01:19 |
Orman | alekibango: What's up. :) | 01:23 |
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alekibango | not much, getting tired, its 03am | 01:24 |
Orman | Yeah that's usually the time I go to bed or around 2. | 01:24 |
Orman | annegentle: How you doing? | 01:25 |
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Orman | annegentle: alekibango had some really good ideas for security. | 01:31 |
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annegentle_ | Orman: fantastic, glad that worked out (I thought he'd have good ideas) :) | 01:36 |
Orman | Yeah he's making mind think that's for sure. | 01:37 |
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Orman | I am trying to learn as much as I can about the security of Swift and Nova. Since I'm new. ;D | 01:42 |
notmyname | Orman: anything I can help answer about swift? | 01:43 |
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Orman | annegentle: I don't think so. I am looking into the Swift parallax. Just looking around. | 01:46 |
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Orman | I am looking at the Ec2 group. | 01:52 |
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Orman | annegentle: We would need to outline Authentication and see if we can outline more. | 01:53 |
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Orman | Hey chmouel. | 01:55 |
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Orman | Very quiet. | 02:15 |
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notmyname | pjz: cool. we'll take a look. I suppose you've already run the unit and functional tests against it? | 02:25 |
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* pjz hasn't, actually ; I looked for how to do so but didn't see it | 02:28 | |
notmyname | ./.unittests.py | 02:28 |
notmyname | ./.functests.py | 02:28 |
creiht | pjz: the last part of the saio instructions has how to run the tests, and the settings you need to make sure the functests run alright | 02:29 |
pjz | ah, okay | 02:30 |
notmyname | creiht is always so helpful | 02:30 |
creiht | heh | 02:30 |
pjz | might want to put pointers to that in the 'LifeWithBzrAndLaunchpad' and the 'BzrIdealWorkflow' wikipages | 02:36 |
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* creiht grins evily | 03:25 | |
creiht | evilly even | 03:26 |
notmyname | what are you up to? | 03:26 |
creiht | >:) | 03:27 |
alekibango | something evil, thats sure :) | 03:28 |
alekibango | http://www.jeremyperson.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/dilbert-two-monitors.jpg | 03:28 |
alekibango | lol today dilbert is pretty funny... | 03:29 |
Orman | lol | 03:33 |
Orman | alekibango: I am looking more into the ec2 group. Trying to understand Auth. :D | 03:36 |
alekibango | cant help much there... | 03:37 |
Orman | I just wanted to let you know since I am going to write security docs. | 03:39 |
Orman | You had some really good ideas about security earlier. | 03:42 |
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alekibango | :) | 03:51 |
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alekibango | glad to help, Orman | 03:51 |
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Orman | I know Auth will have to be documented as well as the idea that you had earlier of virtualization security. | 03:53 |
alekibango | yes... there will be few layers of security - having different needs | 03:54 |
Orman | I could help design some of those layers or write some sort of docs about them. | 03:56 |
alekibango | Orman: do what you can.... :) your help is welcome | 03:56 |
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Orman | Ok thanks I appreciate that man. ;) | 03:59 |
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alekibango | creiht: having 2 monitors? | 04:01 |
creiht | hehe | 04:02 |
creiht | http://paste.openstack.org/show/56/ | 04:02 |
creiht | >:: | 04:02 |
creiht | erm | 04:03 |
creiht | >:) | 04:03 |
alekibango | creiht: ? | 04:03 |
creiht | very proof of concept, but just wanted to see how easy it would be | 04:03 |
creiht | S3 middleware for swift | 04:03 |
notmyname | very nice | 04:03 |
creiht | that above allowed me to get account listings, container listings and download an object from swift with the boto python library | 04:04 |
alekibango | wow | 04:04 |
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creiht | of course there is no error checking | 04:04 |
creiht | etc, etc. | 04:04 |
alekibango | evil genius | 04:04 |
notmyname | creiht: I feel compelled to point out that there are a few lines >80 chars. I'm going to have to reject that patch on pep8 grounds | 04:04 |
alekibango | :) | 04:04 |
creiht | and there may be some limitations | 04:04 |
creiht | and yes... the code is very ugly | 04:05 |
creiht | :) | 04:05 |
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notmyname | heh | 04:05 |
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creiht | The limitations right now are you have to auth externally to swift, and send account_hash:token as the amazon token | 04:07 |
creiht | and it will not work (of course) with container names in the domain name | 04:07 |
creiht | and of course the usual caveats like your computer may catch fire, and the universe may implode so use at your own risk :) | 04:10 |
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jk0 | :) | 04:11 |
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creiht | now I think I can sleep for a bit :) | 04:15 |
jk0 | hehe | 04:15 |
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Orman | Orman is becoming tired,but he needs to keep working on learning the OpenStack Architecture. ;D | 05:00 |
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Orman | 1:00AM and I am still up. | 05:02 |
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Orman | ;D | 05:02 |
alekibango | Orman: http://wiki.openstack.org/ArchitecturalOverview | 05:02 |
alekibango | http://wiki.openstack.org/Overview | 05:02 |
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alekibango | http://nova.openstack.org/architecture.html | 05:02 |
alekibango | and spectorclan is working on a more detailed doc | 05:03 |
Orman | Orman gives a thumbs up to alekibango. ;D | 05:03 |
alekibango | Orman: i am just trying to understand like you do... for few weeks already | 05:04 |
Orman | alekibango: Thanks man. | 05:04 |
Orman | Ok | 05:04 |
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Orman | Yeah I am trying to develop an overall knowledge of how OpenStack Architecture is and then I can start developing the security docs. | 05:05 |
alekibango | yes, we all need to understand that architecture | 05:05 |
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Orman | Yeah | 05:06 |
alekibango | often see http://wiki.openstack.org/RecentChanges | 05:06 |
alekibango | or rss :) | 05:06 |
Orman | I am thinking of ObjectStore. | 05:06 |
Orman | ObjectStore Validation is something I am wondering. | 05:07 |
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Orman | alekibango: http://nova.openstack.org/objectstore.html?highlight=objectstore#nova.objectstore.bucket.Bucket.create | 05:12 |
alekibango | Orman: i would say reading source rulez | 05:12 |
Orman | Yeah it seems to stick better with me anyways when I see code in docs. ;D | 05:13 |
Orman | I hope this isn't to much off topic,but are you on Twitter? Just wondering. :) | 05:15 |
alekibango | no | 05:16 |
alekibango | and dont ask about that facebrick | 05:17 |
Orman | lol | 05:19 |
Orman | I was just wonder | 05:19 |
Orman | Sorry | 05:19 |
alekibango | np | 05:20 |
Orman | I found good doc about Auth | 05:21 |
alekibango | i tend to agree with Mark Zuckerberg on how smart users of facebrick are | 05:21 |
alekibango | --> http://newtech.aurum3.com/social-network/facebook-mark-zuckerberg-called-facebook-users-dumb-fucks/ | 05:21 |
alekibango | i would use other terms, but still :) | 05:22 |
Orman | I get your point. I have was critic of Facebook. | 05:22 |
Orman | Still am to an extent. | 05:22 |
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Orman | The signer module looks really cool with it's source | 05:23 |
Orman | class nova.auth.signer.Signer(secret_key) | 05:23 |
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Orman | I think for the Auth Doc should include some more details about signer and AuthBase. That's one doc I think would be nice to create. | 05:35 |
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Orman | ObjectStore should be one of the security docs for sure. | 05:50 |
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Guest32181 | Anyone around to help with install? | 05:56 |
Guest32181 | I am following http://blog.warma.dk/2010/10/11/openstack-nova-in-maverick/ | 05:57 |
Guest32181 | Stuck on "euca-upload-bundle -m /tmp/kernel.manifest.xml -b mybucket" | 05:57 |
Guest32181 | With error: Traceback (most recent call last): | 05:58 |
Guest32181 | File "/usr/bin/euca-upload-bundle", line 39, in <module> | 05:58 |
Guest32181 | from boto.s3 import Connection | 05:58 |
Guest32181 | ImportError: cannot import name Connection | 05:58 |
Guest32181 | Anybody? :-) | 06:00 |
Orman | I am knew here so I don't know if I could help you. | 06:02 |
Orman | Traceback error | 06:03 |
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Guest32181 | ah, found some bug report, duh! | 06:06 |
Orman | Link? | 06:07 |
Guest32181 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/623888 | 06:11 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 623888 in nova "euca-upload-bundle -b mybucket -m /tmp/vmlinuz-2.6.32-23-server.manifest.xml" [Undecided,Invalid] | 06:11 |
Guest32181 | oh, how cute... the bot tells the bug status! :-) | 06:12 |
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Orman | class nova.objectstore.handler.BucketResource(name) | 06:13 |
alekibango | Guest32181: i am using source + novascript | 06:14 |
Orman | Bucketstore should also be in the security docs. | 06:14 |
alekibango | http://github.com/vishvananda/novascript | 06:14 |
Guest32181 | ah, except in my case it is 1.9b-1ubuntu3, which should work | 06:14 |
alekibango | Guest32181: there happens a lot every day in nova | 06:15 |
Guest32181 | I tried that, but could never connect to the instance; the instances start and shutdown | 06:15 |
Orman | BucketStore should include security layers too. | 06:15 |
Guest32181 | something about nova-100.conf permissions | 06:15 |
Guest32181 | I believe it does, alekibango | 06:16 |
Orman | c = S3.AWSAuthConnection("", "", server="localhost", port=8888, is_secure=False) c.create_bucket("mybucket") c.put("mybucket", "mykey", "a value") print c.get("mybucket", "mykey").body | 06:16 |
Guest32181 | Orman: is this for me? | 06:16 |
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alekibango | Guest32181: imho no :) | 06:17 |
alekibango | Guest32181: what is your problem? | 06:17 |
alekibango | the same as the bug you linked? | 06:17 |
alekibango | -> upgrade boto | 06:17 |
Guest32181 | yes, but my boto version is the one Soren tested | 06:18 |
Orman | alekibango: No, it's just for anyone really. I am just making a mental note of what might need to be documented or what might need some more security development. ;) | 06:18 |
alekibango | Guest32181: i cant really say, but maybe you should try asking in few hours again, when soren or others will be up | 06:18 |
alekibango | Orman: etherpad is great for such notes | 06:18 |
Guest32181 | I will be asleep ;-) I hope they check the daily chat logs | 06:19 |
Orman | alekibango: I thought they closed? | 06:19 |
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alekibango | Orman: http://etherpad.openstack.org/NovaSecurityNotes | 06:19 |
alekibango | or another name of your choice | 06:19 |
Orman | Orman laughs | 06:19 |
alekibango | Orman: i cant say, i use debian and source | 06:19 |
alekibango | uh, that was to Guest32181 :) | 06:20 |
alekibango | the last line | 06:20 |
Orman | I was wondering. | 06:20 |
Orman | :) | 06:20 |
Orman | Np. | 06:20 |
alekibango | Orman: by making it etherpad you might get laughed at (it has history) | 06:20 |
Orman | :) | 06:21 |
alekibango | but it helps you to cooperate on teh text in really online way | 06:21 |
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Orman | Yeah and anyone can see it. | 06:21 |
Orman | I was just adding earlier just a list of things for security docs or new design ideas. | 06:22 |
Orman | I also wanted people to see it. | 06:22 |
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alekibango | Orman: we did that for nova manuals (etherpad) and it worked well... | 06:22 |
Orman | Oh ok. | 06:22 |
Orman | Well, You and I might want to collab on this at some point. | 06:23 |
alekibango | just mention it few times here during the work hours.... and it will get noticed | 06:23 |
alekibango | i will try, but dont count on it | 06:23 |
Guest32181 | anyone will see these logs, too | 06:23 |
Orman | I know. | 06:23 |
alekibango | Guest32181: yes, and google knows who your friends are and where you are going to be next morning | 06:24 |
Orman | lol | 06:24 |
Guest32181 | it does?! sh*** | 06:24 |
Orman | lol | 06:24 |
alekibango | they can recognize that better than you can | 06:24 |
alekibango | s/recognize/predict/ | 06:25 |
Guest32181 | they should tell me then, i lost track long time ago | 06:25 |
zykes- | any plans to when a webgui is coming up ? | 06:25 |
alekibango | zykes-: did you see the code? | 06:26 |
zykes- | a bit of it yes | 06:26 |
zykes- | or which code you mean, nova ? then yes | 06:27 |
alekibango | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mike-mayo/openstack-web-control-panel/trunk/ | 06:27 |
zykes- | oh | 06:27 |
alekibango | the dir is still pretty empty heh | 06:28 |
zykes- | is mike here or ? | 06:28 |
alekibango | no, not now | 06:28 |
alekibango | he is not here often | 06:28 |
alekibango | his name is greenisus or something like that | 06:28 |
alekibango | hmm, there is some useable code, maybe | 06:30 |
Orman | alekibango: Do you know when anne will be back on? | 06:30 |
alekibango | i would think in cca 6-7 hours | 06:32 |
Orman | Ok | 06:32 |
Orman | It's 2:34AM here. | 06:32 |
alekibango | good morning i would say | 06:32 |
Orman | :) I live in Florida. | 06:32 |
alekibango | 08:33 here | 06:32 |
alekibango | you have wrong time :) | 06:33 |
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alekibango | 2 minutes ahead | 06:33 |
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Orman | lol | 06:33 |
Orman | :) | 06:33 |
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alekibango | thats bad for security | 06:33 |
Orman | Good one. ;) | 06:33 |
alekibango | its important to have logs you can trust | 06:34 |
Orman | Yes | 06:34 |
Guest32181 | where in FL? | 06:34 |
zykes- | wondering if i could help contribute to the gui part | 06:35 |
Orman | Close to New Port Richey. | 06:35 |
Orman | Still far away from their though. | 06:35 |
alekibango | zykes-: if that devel environment will feel bad for you | 06:35 |
alekibango | maybe you can talk me to make turbogears one :) | 06:36 |
zykes- | turbogears ? | 06:36 |
Guest32181 | ah, west coast here | 06:36 |
alekibango | http://www.turbogears.org/2.1/docs/ | 06:36 |
zykes- | hmms, kind of like catalyst for perl then i guess | 06:37 |
Orman | It looks like a nice web framework. | 06:37 |
alekibango | it *is* | 06:37 |
alekibango | but its somewhat slowed down, especially documentation... | 06:37 |
zykes- | seems so yes | 06:38 |
alekibango | django is ahead in docs and community. but SQLAlchemy alone makes turbogears interesting | 06:38 |
Orman | True. | 06:38 |
Orman | I like Django more. | 06:38 |
Orman | Both are good. I am not a web developer,but it's interesting. | 06:38 |
alekibango | i tried both, and i more like the tg way of working. django is too frameworkish | 06:38 |
alekibango | (not as much as plone,... ) | 06:39 |
Orman | Right | 06:39 |
zykes- | zope ? plone ? | 06:39 |
Orman | I didn't like Plone. The UI was not my style. | 06:39 |
Guest32181 | I'm outta here.. have a good one.. perhaps Soren will be on when I come back | 06:39 |
Orman | Yeah hopefully | 06:40 |
Orman | bye | 06:40 |
Guest32181 | cya | 06:40 |
Orman | god bless | 06:40 |
Orman | Django is like steroids I have to admit. | 06:40 |
alekibango | plone is good, if you do CMS. | 06:40 |
Orman | I used to use Drupal. | 06:40 |
alekibango | TG is very free to do what you want, in your way | 06:41 |
Orman | Plone just didn't do something for me and I forgot what it was. | 06:41 |
alekibango | plone is *very* hard to learn | 06:41 |
alekibango | took me few years | 06:41 |
Orman | That's cool. | 06:41 |
alekibango | but i now use tg anyway | 06:41 |
alekibango | :) | 06:41 |
zykes- | alekibango: i could help with layouts / js stuff.. python is not my big thing though yet | 06:41 |
alekibango | zykes-: please do try learning python | 06:41 |
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alekibango | one night and you know python enough to code | 06:42 |
Orman | Yeah which makes me know why I gaveup on Plone within a week or so. | 06:42 |
zykes- | heh, i've got PEP atm that i'm reading | 06:42 |
Orman | If you look at Python enough you start to get it. ;) | 06:43 |
alekibango | zykes-: if that web console for openstack nova will be good, i will rather use it | 06:43 |
alekibango | Python is easy - tooks 2-10 hours to learn it | 06:43 |
alekibango | my 7yo son is coding in python now | 06:43 |
alekibango | 5yo will follow very soon | 06:43 |
Orman | Wow | 06:43 |
Orman | That's awesome. | 06:43 |
alekibango | (but he rather plays openttd) | 06:44 |
zykes- | what i love about python contra perl, is the indent stuff, it's sooo much easier to just to indents instead of sub {} | 06:44 |
Orman | I like Ruby a lot. | 06:44 |
alekibango | zykes-: try writing interactive programs in postscript... and debug them | 06:44 |
alekibango | then you will love even that perl | 06:44 |
zykes- | what was the pages again you gaveme for python ? | 06:45 |
alekibango | yes i mean that hackity hack gfxboot :) | 06:45 |
alekibango | zykes-: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BeginnersGuide | 06:46 |
Orman | :) | 06:46 |
alekibango | but tutorial works for msot people well | 06:47 |
Orman | Cool link. | 06:47 |
Orman | Tommorrow I hope I can get a chance to start security docs. | 06:47 |
alekibango | Orman: i posted it here for 3 times already hehe :) | 06:47 |
Orman | Lol | 06:47 |
Orman | Must not have seen it. | 06:48 |
alekibango | zykes-: also diveintopython is good... | 06:48 |
alekibango | and for kids - inventwithpython | 06:48 |
alekibango | just google those terms to get books | 06:48 |
alekibango | my son is doing games along the inventwithpython book | 06:48 |
Orman | Cool | 06:48 |
Orman | Future Dev. | 06:48 |
alekibango | http://inventwithpython.com/ | 06:49 |
alekibango | [read online free] | 06:49 |
alekibango | but problem - this book considers python 3.1 | 06:49 |
alekibango | it makes sense to work on 2.x for most people | 06:49 |
zykes- | i guess you don't need to do too much in the web app | 06:50 |
zykes- | since alot of the "data" is allready done by nova ? | 06:50 |
Orman | Well I hope anne gets on soon. I need to ask some stuff. | 06:50 |
alekibango | zykes-: you only need to call api | 06:50 |
alekibango | and to make NICE GUI | 06:50 |
alekibango | which si hardest part | 06:50 |
Orman | Trying think of new ObjectStore Security | 06:50 |
Orman | designs | 06:50 |
alekibango | zykes-: maybe it would be fun to use http://www.eyeos.org/ as environment ;) | 06:51 |
alekibango | if you do not know that one, go see, its FUN | 06:51 |
alekibango | http://new.my.eyeos.org/ <- demo | 06:51 |
alekibango | just do new user | 06:52 |
alekibango | would be fun to have servers as icons on 'desktop' like this :) | 06:53 |
Orman | Well I should be hitting the sack. | 06:53 |
alekibango | dotn get hoodwinked | 06:54 |
alekibango | :) | 06:54 |
Orman | Almost 3:00AM | 06:54 |
alekibango | have nice dreams, Orman | 06:54 |
Orman | Lol | 06:54 |
Orman | See ya man | 06:54 |
Orman | God bless | 06:54 |
Orman | guys | 06:54 |
alekibango | and try hard to live your best dreams. they are worth it | 06:54 |
Orman | I'll see ya tomorrow or should I saw later today, ;) | 06:54 |
zykes- | eyeos | 06:54 |
zykes- | seems really nice | 06:55 |
Orman | Thanks alekibango. | 06:55 |
Orman | bye | 06:55 |
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zykes- | should we fire up eyeOS then ? | 06:56 |
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zykes- | so any preferences of what to do the gui part in ? | 07:04 |
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vishy | wow | 08:07 |
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vishy | testing needed of this branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~anso/nova/fix-context-deprecation/+merge/38393 | 08:15 |
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arthurc | Hello, I read most of the wiki and I still have questions. I'd like to know the way to deploy nodes on openstack. | 09:24 |
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arthurc | and I'm also curious about the communication between nova and nodes. Does libvirt is managed by rabbitMQ or libvirt-rpc ? | 09:27 |
soren | arthurc: We talk to libvirt using libvirt :) | 09:39 |
soren | vishy: Still around? | 09:39 |
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soren | vishy: I'm reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~anso/nova/fix-context-deprecation/+merge/38393 and in nova/bin-dhcpbridge you still pass context in the rpc args, but in most (all?) other places you remove that. Is that intentional? | 09:40 |
soren | I'm 20% through the patch, and that's the only gripe I have so far, so just wanted to clear that up before you left so that I could approve if I don't find anything else. | 09:41 |
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arthurc | soren: :), I meant about the protocol between server and nodes. I know there is a libvirt interface with AMQP but there is no one for rabbitMQ. I thought maybe openstack developped is own interface... I'll look into the code | 09:52 |
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soren | arthurc: libvirt has an amqp interface? That's news to me. | 09:53 |
arthurc | http://libvirt.org/qpid/ | 09:56 |
arthurc | http://wiki.libvirt.org/page/Libvirt-qpid | 09:56 |
soren | Imagine that. | 09:57 |
soren | Oh, well. | 09:57 |
soren | No, we don't use that. We use libvirt's own communication protocol. | 09:57 |
arthurc | that's why I'm interesting if any libvirt-rabbitmq exists :) | 09:57 |
arthurc | ok | 09:57 |
soren | libvirt is both a deamon and library to talk to said daemon. | 09:57 |
soren | (and to talk to other stuff, really) | 09:57 |
soren | We just use libvirt. | 09:57 |
arthurc | yep, I think it's the best way to use it | 09:58 |
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soren | It's be silly for us to use amqp. We have software running on each node, so why go back through a message broker? | 09:59 |
arthurc | dunno. I am a user of oVirt and this design with libvirt-qpid is a real pain, it introduces a new layer and new bugs | 10:03 |
zykes- | soren: does nova use libvirt to talk to things ? | 10:08 |
soren | zykes-: Yes. | 10:09 |
zykes- | towards the hypervisors ? | 10:10 |
soren | Yes. | 10:10 |
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tsharju | hi all, is the swift.common.middleware.auth supposed to work with the auth server? I get "forbidden" from the proxy all the time if I enable that. I'm pretty sure I'm doing something wrong here. ;) | 10:21 |
jonwood | tsharju: Not with the Nova auth server. | 10:21 |
tsharju | jonwood: i'm using swift's auth server with it. The documentation is talking something about devauth server... what's that? | 10:22 |
jonwood | I believe it's the default authorisation option, which uses Nova's database to store credentials. | 10:26 |
tsharju | jonwood: oh... ok.. thanks... maybe I just leave it out for now then :) | 10:30 |
jonwood | I think Nova also supports LDAP authentication, but I've not tried using it. | 10:31 |
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zykes- | alekibango: should we use eyeos ? | 12:40 |
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jonwood | Please, no. That looks horrible to use :P | 12:45 |
zykes- | oh ? | 12:46 |
jonwood | Any web application that needs a system monitor to kill dead processes has lost at the start ;) | 12:46 |
zykes- | :p | 12:46 |
jonwood | It seems to want to do everything, averagely, rather then a wiki really well. | 12:46 |
zykes- | turbogears ? | 12:47 |
zykes- | suggestions ? | 12:47 |
jonwood | I'm not entirely sure why we need a new wiki at all myself. | 12:47 |
jonwood | MoinMoin may not be the prettiest thing ever, but it works for publishing content, and it's already there. | 12:48 |
soren | For what? | 12:48 |
zykes- | jonwood: i was meaning for a UI for Nova | 12:48 |
* jonwood facepalms | 12:48 | |
jonwood | I'll shut up then :P | 12:48 |
jonwood | A Web UI I assume? | 12:48 |
zykes- | then eyeOS actually looked nice | 12:48 |
zykes- | jonwood: yeh | 12:48 |
jonwood | No, eyeOS still looks like overkill ;) | 12:48 |
zykes- | i could go catalyst but that's perl :p | 12:49 |
jonwood | Assuming Python is a requirement, then turbogears looks quite neat. I've had good experiences with Django as well. | 12:50 |
zykes- | is django heavy to learn ? | 12:51 |
soren | Not at all. | 12:51 |
jonwood | Probably a bit more then Turbogears, but not horribly so. | 12:51 |
* soren likes Django | 12:51 | |
jonwood | And it's really powerful. | 12:51 |
zykes- | is it mvc like or ? | 12:52 |
jonwood | What web framework isn't these days? | 12:52 |
zykes- | ah ok | 12:52 |
zykes- | :p | 12:52 |
zykes- | how does it work when definied URIs ? | 12:52 |
zykes- | catalyst in perl is horribly simple with that.. | 12:52 |
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jonwood | It's got some routing built in. You provide a list of regexps that match to actions. | 12:53 |
jonwood | Have a look at the tutorial to get an idea. It's been a while since I did anything with it. | 12:53 |
zykes- | first i'll read PEP again | 12:54 |
jonwood | I'm more of a Ruby person myself, but only for the practicality of already knowing it. | 12:54 |
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jonwood | zykes-: Which PEP is that, I wouldn't mind having a look myself. | 13:03 |
zykes- | http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ | 13:05 |
zykes- | got from alekibango | 13:05 |
jonwood | Oh, that one. | 13:06 |
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jonwood | Is the web ui discussion being put somewhere online? | 13:10 |
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jonwood | alekibango: I think I asked this while you were disconnected. | 13:17 |
jonwood | 14:10 < jonwood> Is the web ui discussion being put somewhere online? | 13:17 |
alekibango | jonwood: my integ GPU crashed :( | 13:17 |
alekibango | intel(tm) | 13:17 |
alekibango | they do it worse and worse every 1/4 year | 13:17 |
alekibango | those drivers... | 13:18 |
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alekibango | there is a blueprint for it | 13:18 |
alekibango | jonwood: ^ | 13:18 |
alekibango | other that that, i dont know | 13:18 |
arthurc | I presume there is no web UI in nova ? | 13:19 |
jonwood | arthurc: Not at the moment | 13:19 |
arthurc | ok | 13:19 |
alekibango | arthurc: there is some developed | 13:19 |
alekibango | web console -see blueprints and related code | 13:19 |
alekibango | but author is not coming on irc often | 13:19 |
jonwood | alekibango: The web based serial console is different I think. | 13:19 |
alekibango | yes | 13:20 |
arthurc | I'm reading swift doc right now, I'll eat nova's soon | 13:20 |
alekibango | ah, its serial console only? | 13:20 |
jonwood | Yeah, not a full web UI. | 13:21 |
alekibango | i seen some screenshots somewhere | 13:21 |
alekibango | jonwood: i see only serial console in blueprints now | 13:21 |
alekibango | https://code.launchpad.net/~anso/nova/ajaxterm https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/austin-web-based-serial-console | 13:22 |
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alekibango | see openstack-web-control-panel | 13:23 |
alekibango | thats the right name | 13:23 |
alekibango | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mike-mayo/openstack-web-control-panel/trunk/ | 13:24 |
jonwood | Got it | 13:24 |
alekibango | please someone make mike mayo come here on irc daily | 13:24 |
alekibango | please... | 13:24 |
jonwood | Wow... it's in ObjectiveJ | 13:25 |
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alekibango | i would love to have pythonic one :) | 13:25 |
alekibango | if there will be more people like me we can do it using turbogears or django | 13:26 |
jonwood | Oh, sweet. Cappuccino and Sinatra. | 13:26 |
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alekibango | those make my head spin :) | 13:28 |
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alekibango | good morning jdarcy | 13:30 |
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jonwood | alekibango: It might not be in Python, but this web UI definitely works. | 13:43 |
alekibango | :D | 13:45 |
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alekibango | btw is it i18n enabled? can we translate it? | 13:45 |
jonwood | I doubt it. It looks very early in development, but Capuccino probably supports i18n. | 13:47 |
alekibango | i would like to have it localized... | 13:47 |
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alekibango | jonwood: see https://code.launchpad.net/~mike-mayo/ | 13:49 |
alekibango | android and iphone apps | 13:49 |
jonwood | Yeah, they're based on the Rackspace Cloud ones. | 13:49 |
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alekibango | hi kevnfx, how is your multiserver install going? | 14:03 |
alekibango | kevnfx: please help improving nova manuals if you will learn something you can share | 14:05 |
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kevnfx | alekibango: it's been quite frustrating. Everytime I pull down and integrate something new breaks. I saw that jonwood mentioned he's putting together a document. Should I coordinate with him? Or is that something else? | 14:09 |
annegentle | Does anyone know the feature freeze date for Bexar, the next release after Austin? I don't want to guess but want to update the wiki | 14:09 |
alekibango | kevnfx: we all shall cooperate | 14:10 |
alekibango | if you have problems like that, please start etherpad page -- http://etherpad.openstack.org/MySmartName | 14:11 |
alekibango | (choose name) | 14:11 |
alekibango | and tell others to join your fight | 14:11 |
alekibango | we for sure will | 14:11 |
annegentle | kevnfx: please feel free to update install instructions with details as you go at http://wiki.openstack.org/NovaInstall | 14:12 |
alekibango | annegentle: he is doing install on multiple machines | 14:12 |
alekibango | which is differetn from simple single machine install | 14:13 |
alekibango | but which should be documetned really well | 14:13 |
annegentle | ah okay, feel free to start a new section on that page then | 14:13 |
alekibango | imho bexar is not yet fully decided | 14:13 |
alekibango | but iam not 100% sure | 14:13 |
alekibango | i have heard 2,3,6 months | 14:13 |
annegentle | jonwood: I went ahead and added a section for you at the bottom of the NovaInstall wiki page | 14:14 |
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alekibango | annegentle: in deployment manual, we have specific sections - | 14:14 |
annegentle | jonwood: but I fully understand it is early and you're brave :) | 14:14 |
alekibango | one for single machine install (testing) | 14:14 |
alekibango | one for multiple machines | 14:14 |
alekibango | reason for this is 100 differences | 14:14 |
alekibango | it should be different docs | 14:15 |
annegentle | alekibango: I see running multiple instances but not installing in http://wiki.openstack.org/NovaAdminManual | 14:15 |
alekibango | running and planning, installing -- is very different thing | 14:16 |
annegentle | alekibango: yeppers | 14:16 |
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jonwood | kevnfx: I'm going to be documenting doing a multi-host install, but not until next week at the earliest. | 14:21 |
jonwood | alekibango: As far as I can see it's not massively different doing a multiple-host install. | 14:22 |
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alekibango | jonwood: it is. You need to have database, you need to run different services on different hosts, you need to plan high availability, security | 14:29 |
jonwood | You need a database and the other services running anyway. | 14:30 |
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alekibango | jonwood: yes but for single machine install, default which works is sqlite | 14:30 |
jonwood | And HA is largely the same as HA for any other service as far as I can see. | 14:30 |
alekibango | its different when you will put ldap and postgres and HA in the mix | 14:30 |
jonwood | Probably easier, because everything is designed to be distributed. | 14:30 |
alekibango | jonwood: i wish you were right, but kevnfx has other experience:) | 14:31 |
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creiht | annegentle: did you see the comments for yout doc merge? | 15:15 |
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annegentle | creiht: ah, yes. got it. Good catch. | 15:16 |
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dendrobates | /me is really impressed with the way the docs are shaping up! | 15:31 |
dendrobates | damn space | 15:31 |
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jaypipes | mtaylor: around? we're ready to turn on nosetests on the hudson runs. | 16:14 |
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jaypipes | vishy: "ninja patched it". I will have to remember that :) | 16:32 |
vishy | :) | 16:32 |
vishy | jaypipes: how does one run the nosetests? | 16:33 |
eday | vishy: just type 'nosetests' in root | 16:35 |
eday | vishy: need to have it installed, of course | 16:35 |
jaypipes | vishy: source .nova-env/bin/activate && cd nova/tests/api && nosetests --verbose --logging-clear-handlers | 16:36 |
jaypipes | eday: cannot do it in root. | 16:36 |
eday | jaypipes: did you get the existing tests converted over? | 16:36 |
eday | ahh, ok | 16:36 |
eday | answers that :) | 16:36 |
jaypipes | eday: no, in Bexar :) | 16:36 |
uvirtbot | New bug: #660632 in swift "Allow logging of ratelimiting with configurable sleep times" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660632 | 16:37 |
jaypipes | eday: been busy trying to get Glance done (which it is almost!) :) | 16:37 |
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vishy | jaypipes i'm not using a venv, does it work without it? | 16:37 |
eday | jaypipes: awesome! I've been busy on vacation, so trying to catch up on patches the last week :) | 16:37 |
eday | vishy: it should | 16:37 |
jaypipes | vishy: yep. | 16:38 |
jaypipes | vishy: sorry, I don't install all the needed software on my local box...just into a venv... | 16:38 |
jaypipes | vishy: but if you have installed everything, should work fine. | 16:38 |
vishy | cool! Bug | 16:39 |
jaypipes | :) | 16:39 |
jaypipes | vishy: pastebin? | 16:39 |
vishy | hmm | 16:40 |
vishy | i've broken it | 16:40 |
vishy | in my fix-context-deprecation branch | 16:41 |
vishy | :( | 16:41 |
jaypipes | vishy: :) | 16:41 |
jaypipes | vishy: well in that case... I'll let you fix it! ;P | 16:42 |
jaypipes | vishy: btw, I'm *very* much excited to get that branch merged. annoying seeing all the warnings :) | 16:42 |
vishy | gundlach: are you here? | 16:43 |
mtaylor | jaypipes: cool | 16:43 |
jaypipes | mtaylor: thx mate :) | 16:44 |
vishy | mtaylor: is there a way that we can make tarmac strip eol whitespace on merge? | 16:45 |
vishy | since apparently not everyone has their editor set up to do it on save | 16:45 |
mtaylor | vishy: hrm... | 16:45 |
mtaylor | vishy: let me think about that one... | 16:45 |
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vishy | ok i've now broken everything | 16:59 |
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mtaylor | jaypipes: I'll get the thing turned on in a bit ... my internet is behaving _strangely_ | 17:04 |
jaypipes | mtaylor: no worries | 17:04 |
mtaylor | jaypipes: I can get to hudson.drizzle.org but not hudson.openstack.org - and I can get gmail _mail_ but not gmail chat (in the same web browser page, mind you) | 17:04 |
* mtaylor is thinking of migrating to a less weird location... | 17:04 | |
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vishy | openstack api people: i fixed the nosetests in my branch, but I'm not actually sure that the code will run correctly. Can someone who knows how to actually run using the openstack api test it out? | 17:07 |
openstack | vishy: Error: "api" is not a valid command. | 17:07 |
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vishy | openstack help | 17:07 |
openstack | vishy: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. | 17:07 |
vishy | : o | 17:07 |
dendrobates | can someone rename that bot? | 17:08 |
vishy | lol | 17:08 |
dendrobates | it is annoying named | 17:08 |
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vishy | branch is lp:~anso/nova/fix-context-deprecation/ | 17:08 |
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jc_smith | are there thoughts on how save/snapshotting of a VM into an image will happen? | 17:11 |
vishy | jc_smith: it works using bundling commands on ec2_api side | 17:12 |
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jc_smith | are there any plans for an out-of-band snapshot that copies the underlying block device after shutting it down? | 17:20 |
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zykes- | alekibango: i can help out a bit | 17:26 |
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uvirtbot | New bug: #660668 in nova "OpenStack API Requiring X-Auth-User on all requests" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660668 | 17:36 |
kevnfx | Reinstalled everything from scratch: nova-networks complains about security_groups table already existing, the scheduler complains about auth_tokens ... I can restart them both (and they apparently are okay the second time around), but I get a "NoMoreNetworks: None" exception from euca-run-instances. Is this because of the nova-manage network changes? | 17:37 |
alekibango | zykes-: with what? | 17:37 |
alekibango | docs? | 17:37 |
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alekibango | kevnfx: its moving very fast now. i would say you should wait for release if you use packages -- or try source. but maybe soren can help you sort it out... | 17:47 |
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vishy | jc_smith: yes snapshotting blueprint is for that | 17:49 |
kevnfx | alekibango: understood (all too well ;-)) ... I'm trying to recreate the multi-node setup from a clean installation ... perhaps I should wait until things settle down. | 17:50 |
alekibango | kevnfx: try using sources - look into novascript from vishy for inspiration | 17:53 |
vishy | kevnfx: nova-manage network create 0 3 16 | 17:53 |
vishy | should get you going | 17:53 |
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zykes- | django | 18:17 |
zykes- | webui | 18:17 |
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mordred_ | anybody know a good way off the top of your head to tell, from python, if you're on linux or not? | 18:19 |
mordred_ | aha! os.sys.platform. :) | 18:20 |
notmyname | os.name too | 18:20 |
uvirtbot | New bug: #660702 in swift "Object replicator should hand off replication only on 507" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660702 | 18:21 |
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arthurc | question about swift : In which way it's superior to a distributed FS like glusterfs ? | 18:30 |
creiht | arthurc: well first, it isn't a distributed fs | 18:31 |
creiht | glusterfs gives you a real mountable filesystem | 18:31 |
creiht | swift is more like S3 | 18:31 |
creiht | store replicated copies of each file | 18:31 |
creiht | and should scale further than a generic distributed file system | 18:32 |
alekibango | arthurc: you might be interested in sheepdog | 18:32 |
creiht | I don't have direct experience with glusterfs, so I can't give any specific reasons | 18:32 |
alekibango | that will come soon | 18:32 |
alekibango | glusterfs is like lustre or nfs - but without central server | 18:32 |
alekibango | nice modularized solution | 18:32 |
alekibango | but kinda slow | 18:33 |
alekibango | i think ceph will be better, but is not stable yet | 18:33 |
alekibango | arthurc: you should see sheepdog, thats what you want | 18:33 |
arthurc | yep, I read a part of the documentation, the architecture is really sexy. I don't know glusterfs neither but I'm discovering the subject | 18:33 |
creiht | arthurc: so swift is better for storing static content, backups, images, etc. | 18:34 |
alekibango | i do know gluster. its nice. | 18:34 |
creiht | something like glusterfs would be better for things that you would want a live filesystem for | 18:34 |
alekibango | arthurc: for live HA solution, there is sheepdog or similar | 18:34 |
alekibango | (kvm supports sheepdog) | 18:34 |
alekibango | glusterfs is something like distributed nfs done without single point of failure | 18:35 |
arthurc | I'm interesting in openstack and I'm trying to compare with "similar" products to get a better idea | 18:35 |
creiht | arthurc: swift is very similar to AWS S3 | 18:35 |
alekibango | arthurc: openstack is very scalable, open, adoptable, pythonic, cool, young | 18:37 |
arthurc | yep, that's exactly what I'm looking for ;) | 18:38 |
alekibango | creiht: imho the first release is like here we are... see what we do. but the second one will dramaticaly change all, including market prices... | 18:38 |
alekibango | ah, that should go to arthurc :) | 18:40 |
alekibango | arthurc: there is no other project so scalable, so adaptable, so open.... | 18:41 |
alekibango | and 'so prerelease' atm | 18:41 |
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alekibango | arthurc: i hope your research will confirm my words :) | 18:43 |
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jaypipes | annegentle: vim ftw! :) | 18:48 |
alekibango | or gvim | 18:48 |
jaypipes | ya. | 18:48 |
* annegentle snorts at my mad vim skillz | 18:49 | |
alekibango | annegentle: knowing only 20% of vim features will make you HARDCORE GURU | 18:49 |
arthurc | I think I'm already convinced, but I like too see what is under the hood | 18:49 |
alekibango | arthurc: see source. | 18:49 |
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alekibango | see launchpad nova pages | 18:50 |
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alekibango | arthurc: use novascript to test it on single machine | 18:50 |
arthurc | yep, I pulled today sources with bzr but the changelog was pretty old, I might took a wrong branch. And I had work to so I didn't look further | 18:51 |
alekibango | arthurc: http://github.com/vishvananda/novascript | 18:52 |
arthurc | thanks | 18:52 |
alekibango | do: mkdir -p /srv/cloud; cd /srv/cloud; ln -s ~/src/novascript/nova.sh ./ ; ./nova.sh install ; ./nova.sh branch ; ./nova.sh run | 18:53 |
alekibango | that should work | 18:53 |
alekibango | if your git clone will be in ~/src | 18:53 |
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arthurc | ok. ubuntu 10.04 is recommended ? I saw soren's tutorial with 10.10 | 18:54 |
alekibango | i do that on debian | 18:54 |
alekibango | works | 18:54 |
alekibango | (sid, and squeeze should work too) | 18:55 |
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arthurc | I'm a fedora user, but I can cheat sometimes | 18:56 |
alekibango | heh :) | 18:56 |
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alekibango | arthurc: ubuntu maverick is what soren's packages are made for | 18:56 |
rlucio | annegentle: its ok, not everyone was cut out to be an emacs user | 18:56 |
alekibango | emacs is good os | 18:57 |
rlucio | haha | 18:57 |
alekibango | i use it to read calendar | 18:57 |
alekibango | (international ones) | 18:57 |
alekibango | in the past, i was emacs user.... but when i learned some 15% of vim's features, there was point of no return | 18:58 |
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annegentle | heh | 18:58 |
alekibango | you know why? | 18:59 |
alekibango | there was a shooting between emacs and vim users | 18:59 |
alekibango | and that decided it for me | 18:59 |
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creiht | hah | 19:01 |
creiht | annegentle: what are you using for editing currently? | 19:01 |
alekibango | cant find the link. it was some painball match of those 2 groups | 19:02 |
alekibango | emacs users were slow. vim users were running and shooting fast. emacsers tried to make some strategy, but they were soon dead... | 19:03 |
alekibango | and from the time i use vim :) | 19:03 |
glange | that seems like a valid way to choose a text editor :) | 19:04 |
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alekibango | well, it resonated with me deeply. emacs with its lisp and stuff is very heavyweight | 19:05 |
alekibango | vim runs fast and shoots fast | 19:05 |
alekibango | not much thinking | 19:05 |
alekibango | just job done | 19:05 |
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alekibango | http://slashdot.org/articles/older/9805291626231.shtml | 19:07 |
arthurc | ubuntu seems to be the reference platform of this project, is there a reason ? I know kvm/libvirt are deb compliant but they are developed and tested by RH on fedora/RHEL. I also know there are ubuntu developers here, it should explain this choice. | 19:07 |
alekibango | arthurc: dendrobate$ was in ubuntu before | 19:08 |
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alekibango | its also distro of most developers, | 19:09 |
alekibango | many others use debian | 19:09 |
creiht | arthurc: We (the swift team) use Ubuntu mainly because it has newer software than RHEL | 19:09 |
dendrobates | arthurc: there are ubuntu devs here, and ubuntu is a prevalent cloud platform and has the newest versions of dependencies | 19:09 |
dendrobates | :) | 19:09 |
alekibango | RPM systems seems to be behind here, but there are also RPM users | 19:09 |
creiht | and we have several debian guys | 19:09 |
dendrobates | we will work with all distros | 19:09 |
creiht | arthurc: the Fedora team is working on packages for swift as well | 19:10 |
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alekibango | arthurc: rpm packages should be done by packagers | 19:10 |
dendrobates | we just have devs that can easily push to Ubuntu, making it easy fo rus to fix upstream packages | 19:10 |
creiht | and other openstack packages | 19:10 |
alekibango | its not up to core developers | 19:10 |
alekibango | if you can help with rpm packages - please do | 19:10 |
dendrobates | yeah the fedora team is on it. Fedora is a better fit than rhel, just because of freshness. | 19:11 |
silassewell | I got the swift stuff into Fedora, the nova stuff is going to take a while longer, there are a bunch of deps not in Fedora yet | 19:11 |
alekibango | RHEL sells its own cloud platform, right? :) | 19:11 |
arthurc | I have my answer :) I know how to do rpms but that's not my favourite activity ! | 19:11 |
alekibango | arthurc: it will come sooner or later, dont be scared | 19:12 |
silassewell | I spent the last two days converting backporting packages to EL, although it will probably end up being a third party repo I publish | 19:12 |
arthurc | I'm not scared ! | 19:12 |
alekibango | even those ubuntu packages are buggy atm :) | 19:12 |
alekibango | silassewell: third party repo is good. | 19:12 |
arthurc | I started with ubuntu, then debian , mandriva and now fedora :) | 19:12 |
alekibango | better than nothing | 19:12 |
alekibango | arthurc: choose one and keep it | 19:12 |
alekibango | :) | 19:12 |
alekibango | that way you are more productive | 19:13 |
alekibango | but you have to choose well | 19:13 |
silassewell | Yeah, if you look at http://github.com/opsdojo/rpms/tree/master/src/el/5/opsdojo-python26/ you can see the number of deps that were required | 19:13 |
silassewell | It would take months of work to get all those upstream, just don't have the time | 19:14 |
arthurc | I worked with a pure fedora project this year (oVirt), it explains my recent love story with fedora/RH | 19:15 |
* alekibango will go sleep finally for few hours... | 19:18 | |
arthurc | alekibango : yep, RH sell RHEV, and it might be compatible with EC2 with the deltacloud project but I don't know a lot about this product | 19:21 |
alekibango | deltacloud is really nice project | 19:21 |
dendrobates | alekibango: we have obviously decided that deltacloud did not meet our needs, or we would not have started openstack | 19:22 |
alekibango | dendrobates: :) | 19:22 |
alekibango | dendrobates: i kind of agree but it has different goals | 19:23 |
dendrobates | btw, I think we have all agreed that NOVA is a backronym for 'No Other Viable Alternative' | 19:23 |
alekibango | #agreed +100 | 19:23 |
creiht | haha | 19:23 |
arthurc | :) | 19:23 |
dendrobates | I have to credit Bret Piatt with that | 19:24 |
dendrobates | I bet that will be in wikipedia one day | 19:25 |
silassewell | I was just curious, I'm sure this has been asked before, but why did Nova originally go with Tornado vs just using the twisted reactor? | 19:25 |
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dendrobates | I don't know the NASA guys made that decision and I think they are all busy right now. | 19:26 |
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silassewell | ok | 19:26 |
Guest94739 | is Soren on? | 19:26 |
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alekibango | wow that was fast question | 19:27 |
* alekibango zzzZZzz | 19:27 | |
soren | jaypipes: We agree that the hyper-v stuff isn't for Austin, right? | 19:27 |
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wc_ | grrh, crappy ubuntu gnome irc client ;-) | 19:30 |
creiht | silassewell: I think because tornado already had an s3 like extension, but it ended up not working out so well | 19:30 |
jaypipes | soren: yes, agreed. | 19:30 |
wc_ | still tring to ask soren a question. is he on? | 19:30 |
soren | jaypipes: Cool, just checking. | 19:31 |
jaypipes | soren: I approve the merge request, but for bexar. | 19:31 |
silassewell | creiht: gotcha, thanks | 19:31 |
zul | soren: besides i thought you guys were in FF :) | 19:32 |
wc_ | soren: need some installation help regarding the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/623888 | 19:32 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 623888 in nova "euca-upload-bundle -b mybucket -m /tmp/vmlinuz-2.6.32-23-server.manifest.xml" [Undecided,Invalid] | 19:32 |
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soren | zul: Precisely. | 19:33 |
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zul | soren: besides shouldnt be handled like the xenapi as well? | 19:33 |
soren | wc_: Where did you try to ask me a question? | 19:34 |
wc_ | trying to here :-) | 19:34 |
wc_ | I get ther euca-upload... error even though my boto is 1.9b and euca tools are 1.2 | 19:35 |
wc_ | stuck on image upload, while following instructions from your web page | 19:36 |
wc_ | I was looking for answers on this last night as well :-) | 19:36 |
wc_ | would be in last night's log | 19:37 |
soren | wc_: I just don't understand your "trying to ask soren a question" comment. | 19:37 |
soren | Oh, last night? | 19:37 |
electroniceagle | you need to cd /var/lib/nova/CA and run ./genrootca.sh then /etc/init.d/nova-objectstore restart | 19:37 |
soren | When is "night"? | 19:37 |
soren | No. | 19:38 |
wc_ | sorry, I was trying to get your attention | 19:38 |
soren | nova-api should run that for you. It does for me. | 19:38 |
electroniceagle | wc_: no, i just did a clean ubuntu 10.10 install and it doesn't | 19:38 |
soren | wc_: 1) If you want my attention because you want to ask me a question... just ask me a question :) 2) I'm not the only one working on Nova. If you've got questions about nova, ask them. People will answer. | 19:38 |
wc_ | understood | 19:39 |
electroniceagle | wc_: if you are following the blog "Openstack-nova-in-maverick" do the genrootca.sh above | 19:40 |
soren | Besides https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/623888 has *nothing* to do with genrootca.sh. | 19:40 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 623888 in nova "euca-upload-bundle -b mybucket -m /tmp/vmlinuz-2.6.32-23-server.manifest.xml" [Undecided,Invalid] | 19:40 |
jaypipes | sirp1, annegentle: pls review my edits on http://wiki.openstack.org/GlanceAPISpec. The full Parallax API is now documented. | 19:40 |
soren | wc_: Pastebin the error you're seeing. | 19:40 |
wc_ | working on it :-) | 19:41 |
electroniceagle | I know this might sound like sacrilege, but anyone able to run this under VmWare Fusion on a mac? | 19:42 |
electroniceagle | I got as far as libvirt error "no supported architecture for os type 'hvm' in nova-compute.log using clean ubuntu 10.10 iso install | 19:44 |
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wc_ | ah, will have to be back... my environment is full of garbage variables?! need to reboot | 19:50 |
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soren | electroniceagle: Inside vmware? | 19:56 |
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dendrobates | electroniceagle: you cannot use kvm as the hypervisor in Fusion | 20:00 |
dendrobates | UML or qemu should work | 20:00 |
sirp1 | creiht: i'm about to start work on glance ticket https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/653358 which involves using swift.common.client rather than python-cloudfiles for the Teller Swift Backend. I just wanted to get a second opinion as to whether this is a good idea. | 20:00 |
electroniceagle | yes, trying to switch to uml now | 20:00 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 653358 in glance "Teller should be using the openstack swift client instead of the python-cloudfiles client." [Medium,Confirmed] | 20:00 |
electroniceagle | is qemu better? | 20:01 |
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notmyname | polvi: grats on the million server mark | 20:05 |
polvi | thanks! | 20:06 |
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notmyname | now to get some significant percentage of those running openstack ;-) | 20:07 |
vishy | uml is way faster if you can get it to work | 20:07 |
vishy | :) | 20:07 |
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soren | electroniceagle: Depends on what you want, really. | 20:10 |
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soren | electroniceagle: If you want to test with something that is virtually (har har) indistinguishable from kvm (except for speed), qemu is what you want. | 20:11 |
soren | electroniceagle: If you want something that might actually be half usable, uml is what you want. | 20:11 |
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soren | vishy: Hey. | 20:16 |
soren | vishy: I'm wondering about https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~anso/nova/fix-context-deprecation/+merge/38429 | 20:16 |
vishy | soren: k | 20:16 |
electroniceagle | soren: I added —libvirt_type=uml to /etc/nova/nova-compute.conf | 20:16 |
zykes- | alekibango: i'll start reading up on python tomorrow... | 20:17 |
electroniceagle | built a uml aim using http://wiki.openstack.org/Nova/UML | 20:17 |
electroniceagle | AMI | 20:17 |
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zykes- | been reading on PEPS today etc | 20:17 |
vishy | soren: are all the required libvirt packages in maverick? or do you still need packages from the ppa? | 20:17 |
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soren | vishy: Still need stuff from the PPA. I think. | 20:18 |
soren | vishy: Yeah, still needs stuff from the PPA. | 20:18 |
vishy | soren: what were you wondering? | 20:18 |
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soren | vishy: My last comment on the mp: When you say those things are fixed... where is that? The branch seems to not have been touched for 8 hours. | 20:20 |
soren | (now 11 hours) | 20:20 |
vishy | soren: it says 11 hours ago | 20:20 |
vishy | soren: but there is something wrong with time | 20:20 |
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vishy | soren: i pushed changes about 2-3 hours ago | 20:20 |
vishy | and they are in | 20:20 |
creiht | sirp1: yes it is a good idea | 20:21 |
soren | vishy: /me looks | 20:21 |
soren | vishy: I think I disagree. | 20:22 |
soren | vishy: /me checks again | 20:23 |
soren | vishy: ah, no. | 20:23 |
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vishy | did you see i reproposed? | 20:23 |
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soren | Yes, but the timestamps confused me. | 20:24 |
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soren | timestamp: Thu 2010-10-14 01:46:06 -0700 | 20:24 |
vishy | any idea why the timestamps are weird? | 20:24 |
soren | This is your usual dev box? | 20:24 |
soren | Those timestamps are set locally by bzr. | 20:24 |
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vishy | yes, but it has been happening with all my pushes | 20:25 |
soren | vishy: You mean commits, right? | 20:25 |
vishy | root@ubuntu:~/deploy# date | 20:25 |
vishy | Thu Oct 14 05:01:15 PDT 2010 | 20:25 |
vishy | i don't really check the timestamp until i push | 20:25 |
vishy | and it shows up weird on launchpad | 20:25 |
soren | So your time is way off. | 20:25 |
vishy | yup | 20:25 |
soren | It's 5 AM for your? | 20:25 |
vishy | :) | 20:25 |
vishy | that explains it :) | 20:26 |
soren | Now?!? | 20:26 |
soren | Where the heck areyou? | 20:26 |
vishy | so my bad | 20:26 |
vishy | nah the time is just wrong | 20:26 |
soren | Oh, it's *not* 5 am. | 20:26 |
soren | Phew :) | 20:26 |
soren | Right, ok. | 20:26 |
vishy | ntpdate[21482]: step time server 198.123.30.132 offset 29992.387454 sec | 20:27 |
soren | vishy: Approved. YAY! | 20:27 |
vishy | just a little off :) | 20:27 |
wc_ | soren: http://pastebin.com/4zvPCtpn | 20:27 |
soren | vishy: Ever so slightly, yeah ) | 20:27 |
soren | :) | 20:27 |
soren | I hope you don't use it as an alarm clock :) | 20:27 |
wc_ | soren: the error is at the very end; I put the steps I followed before it | 20:27 |
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vishy | wc_: wrong version of boto | 20:28 |
soren | wc_: Can you pastebin the output of this: python -v -c "import boto" | 20:28 |
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wc_ | soren: http://pastebin.com/Et4sK4ca | 20:32 |
soren | # /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/boto/__init__.pyc matches /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/boto/__init__.py | 20:32 |
soren | Busted. | 20:32 |
soren | /usr/local/blah <--- Not using boto from the Ubuntu package. | 20:32 |
soren | Why euca2ools upstream doesn't just fix it is beyond me. It's a one-line fix. | 20:33 |
dendrobates | vishy: did you add nova.db.api.NoMoreNetworks? | 20:33 |
soren | ...but I gues to a great extent, my failure to understand euca2ools upstream is why I'm here. | 20:33 |
wc_ | soren: so how do I fixit? | 20:33 |
soren | wc_: Remove your locally installed version of boto. | 20:34 |
soren | wc_: Sucks, I know. | 20:34 |
wc_ | ok, I am confused. Are you saying remove Ubuntu package (dependencies broken) or yank it from the Python library directory? | 20:37 |
soren | The problem is that you have a version of boto installed other than the one provided by the ubuntu package. | 20:38 |
dendrobates | soren we need to replace euca2ools in Bexar. | 20:38 |
soren | Does that explain? | 20:38 |
dendrobates | it just feels like alot of work | 20:38 |
soren | dendrobates: It does. | 20:38 |
soren | dendrobates: ...and I'm tainted. | 20:38 |
wc_ | soren: yes, but I never installed anything else but through apt-get, so makes me wonder | 20:39 |
soren | wc_: You must have. | 20:39 |
vishy | dendro: yes | 20:39 |
wc_ | soren: dpkg tells me it is 1.9b-1ubuntu3 | 20:39 |
soren | wc_: Maybe you ran a script that did it. | 20:39 |
wc_ | soren: ok, will see what I can erase here ;-) | 20:39 |
soren | wc_: Maybe you followed some ill informed instruction on a wiki. I think the openstack wiki said to use easy_install boto at some point. | 20:39 |
dendrobates | vishy: I am running tests in the rackspace cloud which does not have the 8021q module, so vlans are broken. | 20:40 |
wc_ | soren: ah, could be | 20:40 |
vishy | soren: we need to create some default-networks in the packaging somehow | 20:40 |
dendrobates | I expect to see that when I create an image, but I am also seeing it when I do this: | 20:40 |
soren | vishy: Hm? | 20:40 |
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dendrobates | sudo nova-manage project zipfile rick rick | 20:41 |
creiht | mordred_: I don't seem to have admin access to lp:swift :/ | 20:42 |
vishy | soren: i mean, networks aren't created automatically, so should we expect users to run nova-manage? Or should the installation of the package create some networks by default? | 20:42 |
vishy | soren: just remerged trunk and pushed | 20:42 |
soren | vishy: If they don't run nova-manage how are they going to use nova for anything? | 20:42 |
soren | vishy: re-approved | 20:44 |
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vishy | soren: good point | 20:46 |
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vishy | dendrobates: not exactly sure what you mean? | 20:47 |
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wc_ | soren: yep, that fixed it! | 20:48 |
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soren | wc_: \o/ | 20:48 |
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soren | vishy: fix-context-deprecation failed a unit test :( | 20:50 |
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wc_ | soren: not there yet :-( | 20:53 |
wc_ | soren: Warning: failed to parse error message from AWS: <unknown>:1:0: syntax error EC2ResponseError: 404 Not Found 404 Not Found The resource could not be found. | 20:53 |
soren | wc_: That could be half a million different things :( | 20:54 |
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soren | wc_: Look in the logs. | 20:54 |
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vishy | i hate unicode :( | 20:59 |
soren | It's not a unicode problem, is it? | 21:00 |
soren | As in a str vs unicode problem. | 21:00 |
vishy | yes i'm parsing timestamp | 21:00 |
vishy | if it is a string | 21:00 |
soren | Oh. Where? | 21:01 |
uvirtbot | New bug: #660799 in swift "Fix bare excepts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660799 | 21:01 |
* soren was looking for something like that. didn't find it. | 21:01 | |
soren | vishy: Oh, found it. | 21:02 |
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wc_ | soren: the only error I see in a log is nova-network related, sudo iptables -I PREROUTING -t nat -s 0.0.0.0/0 -d 169.254.169.254/32 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 127.0.0.1:8773 | 21:03 |
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wc_ | soren: executing it manually does not do anything for iptables either, so I guess I need to figure this one out first | 21:04 |
soren | wc_: I believe there's an environment variable you can set... | 21:04 |
vishy | forgot to check if it is unicode | 21:04 |
vishy | :( | 21:04 |
vishy | fixed | 21:04 |
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wc_ | soren: looking | 21:05 |
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soren | wc_: /me too | 21:05 |
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soren | wc_: Got it. | 21:08 |
soren | Ok, so in ~/.boto, put this: | 21:08 |
soren | [Boto] | 21:08 |
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soren | debug = 2 | 21:08 |
soren | ...and try again. | 21:09 |
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wc_ | soren: euca-register mybucket/kernel.manifest.xml gets me the following error: http://pastebin.com/EGy6WeYs | 21:12 |
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soren | wc_: How are you running nova-api? | 21:14 |
wc_ | soren: not sure what you mean. it is running as a service | 21:16 |
wc_ | soren: I just restarted nova-api with the same outcome | 21:16 |
wc_ | soren: oh, you mean I could run it directly, instead of init script and see the output? | 21:17 |
soren | wc_: I'm really just interesting in which flags get passed to nova-api. | 21:18 |
soren | s/interesting/interested/ of course | 21:18 |
wc_ | soren: /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/nova-api --flagfile=/etc/nova/nova-api.conf --uid 151 --gid 65534 --pidfile /var/run/nova/nova-api.pid restart | 21:19 |
vishy | whoot merged | 21:19 |
wc_ | soren: --daemonize=1 | 21:19 |
wc_ | --ca_path=/var/lib/nova/CA | 21:19 |
wc_ | --keys_path=/var/lib/nova/keys | 21:19 |
wc_ | --networks_path=/var/lib/nova/networks | 21:19 |
wc_ | --dhcpbridge_flagfile=/etc/nova/nova-dhcpbridge.conf | 21:19 |
wc_ | --logfile=/var/log/nova/nova-api.log | 21:19 |
wc_ | --sql_connection=sqlite:////var/lib/nova/nova.sqlite | 21:19 |
wc_ | soren: --networks_path=/var/lib/nova/networks | 21:20 |
wc_ | --sql_connection=sqlite:////var/lib/nova/nova.sqlite | 21:20 |
wc_ | soren: is that it? | 21:20 |
soren | You're missing --FAKE_subdomain=ec2 | 21:21 |
uvirtbot | New bug: #660803 in swift "Update version info to 1.1.0" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660803 | 21:21 |
soren | That'll fix it. | 21:21 |
wc_ | soren: where do I add it? to init script or which config file? | 21:22 |
soren | wc_: Where did you get them from? The ones just above? | 21:23 |
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wc_ | soren:nova-api.conf | 21:24 |
soren | So put them there. | 21:24 |
wc_ | soren: is that a bug then? | 21:27 |
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wc_ | soren: I mean, should the scripts have created the option? | 21:28 |
soren | wc_: It's a packaging bug. | 21:30 |
soren | wc_: You're using the ppa packages? | 21:30 |
soren | wc_: They might have been lagging a bit. Ubuntu Maverick was released on Sunday, I was pretty focused on that. | 21:30 |
soren | wc_: I just synced the ppa packaging code with that of Ubuntu. | 21:31 |
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wc_ | soren: you are awsome! :-) and the most patient OS developer I met | 21:31 |
soren | It'll pass :) | 21:32 |
wc_ | soren: 4 mins in, my instance is still "scheduling". is that normal? | 21:32 |
soren | If you have a compute node, it should be pretty quick. | 21:33 |
soren | You have all of nova-api, nova-objectstore, nova-network, nova-scheduler, and nova-compute running? | 21:33 |
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wc_ | soren: uhm, all but nova-network, it seems | 21:35 |
wc_ | soren: cannot start network, checking errors | 21:38 |
rlucio | hey guys, is there going to be a way (again) to set the gateway for a flat network config? The --flat_network_gateway flag was removed, and the new way, using nova-manage seems to assume that the 2nd address in an ip range is always the gateway (plz correct me if im wrong) | 21:38 |
rlucio | i mean, besides manually editing the sql db | 21:38 |
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soren | wc_: Without nova-network you're screwed. | 21:39 |
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wc_ | soren: I can tell :-) | 21:39 |
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wc_ | soren: http://pastebin.com/ZvGrr0np | 21:40 |
wc_ | soren: still not sure how to fix that | 21:40 |
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soren | wc_: pastebin /etc/sudoers and /etc/sudoers.d/nova_sudoers, please. | 21:40 |
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wc_ | soren: http://pastebin.com/xQjCUBaB | 21:42 |
electroniceagle | rlucio: can you point me to the "new way"? I have created instances, but no route to instance | 21:44 |
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soren | wc_: Add this to /etc/sudoers: | 21:45 |
rlucio | yea, since the flatdhcp update the other day, you have to use nova-manage to create your flat network | 21:45 |
soren | #includedir /etc/sudoers.d | 21:45 |
soren | wc_: Use visudo to edit /etc/sudoers! | 21:45 |
wc_ | soren: I assume I don't need the # prefix? | 21:46 |
soren | wc_: You do. | 21:46 |
soren | wc_: And make sure you use visudo to edit it! | 21:46 |
rlucio | electroniceagle: as i understand it, you need to set your network via --fixed_range --network_size and --network_manager flags when running 'nova-manage network create' | 21:47 |
wc_ | yes, I did and yes, it told me that I do :-) | 21:48 |
soren | wc_: That's why one uses visudo. Mess up sudoers, and you're screwed. visudo makes sure you don't mess up sudoers :) | 21:48 |
rlucio | unfortunately it is pretty easy to mess up, and i dont know much sql so i have had to drop the whole nova db and restart a few times when the wrong ip ranges & config was produced | 21:48 |
wc_ | soren: OK, do I need to kill the running instance and restart? | 21:49 |
wc_ | soren: I mean "Scheduled" instance | 21:49 |
soren | wc_: Yeah. | 21:49 |
soren | wc_: Oh. | 21:49 |
soren | Err... | 21:49 |
soren | wc_: Not sure. You tell me :) | 21:49 |
rlucio | electroniceagle: and AFAIK it assumes that the 1st ip address in your range is the network address, and the second ip address is your gateway | 21:50 |
rlucio | which btw is the problem i have right now | 21:50 |
rlucio | vishy: you care to comment? maybe i am missing something | 21:51 |
wc_ | soren: interesting. I started another instance without doing anything about the old one (still scheduling) and it came back with this message: "ValueError: String too long" | 21:51 |
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electroniceagle | rlucio: i'm trying to get up just the bare ubuntu 10.10 package version, under vmware, have a running instance, but can't seem to be able to kill it | 21:52 |
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rlucio | electroniceagle: well when did you get the pkgs you are using? there was a problem with euca-terminate-instances that was just fixed a couple days ago | 21:53 |
soren | wc_: What's in the log files? | 21:53 |
wc_ | soren: /usr/local/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/nova-0.9.1-py2.6.egg/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api.py:45: DeprecationWarning: Use of empty request context is deprecated\n DeprecationWarning)\n\ndnsmasq: failed to bind listening socket for 10.0.0.1: Address already in use\n' to caller | 21:53 |
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electroniceagle | i just downloaded a 10.10 iso image and installed it, did an apt-get update | 21:53 |
vishy | rlucio: you can edit the settings in the db directly | 21:54 |
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vishy | wc_: killall dnsmasq | 21:54 |
[RAD]Travis | with swift, has anybody here run into an ECONNREFUSED exception when doing a swift-stats-populate -d ? | 21:55 |
vishy | the networks are created by nova-manage, but if you don't like the settings...you can hack the db | 21:55 |
soren | wc_: ah. | 21:55 |
rlucio | vishy: ok... is that going to be the SOP for now? or will there eventually be a way to manage network settings (in addition to just creating them)? | 21:55 |
soren | wc_: You can get out of that, but the easiest is probably to reboot. | 21:55 |
rlucio | standard operating procedure btw | 21:56 |
vishy | rlucio: I've only been really focusing on vlan mode | 21:57 |
vishy | so I haven't really added any support commands for the flat versions | 21:57 |
wc_ | soren: i will try that. my 3rd instance did not stay on. will be baaaack! ;-) | 21:58 |
rlucio | vishy: fair enough, you've already done quite a bit :) thanks | 21:58 |
vishy | nova-manage commands should be added, perhaps even specifying the gateway on create etc. | 21:58 |
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vishy | you can either submit a patch or create a spec for what you think would be useful and someone can implement. For now, just hack the database and figure out what things users will need to change. | 21:59 |
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soren | wc_: I'm about to head to bed. I'm sure other people can help you. | 22:00 |
rlucio | vishy: yea i would like to contribute, but i haven't been approved yet by my employer.. hopefully that will happen soon though. otherwise i'll probably take a stab at making a spec | 22:00 |
electroniceagle | bschott@ubuntu:~$ euca-terminate-instances i-10rdrg | 22:01 |
electroniceagle | TypeError: terminate_instances() takes exactly 3 non-keyword arguments (2 given) | 22:01 |
uvirtbot | New bug: #660812 in glance "Bad Unique Constraint on ImageMetadatum" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660812 | 22:01 |
vishy | hmm | 22:02 |
vishy | i wonder if boto is refusing the id because it is so short | 22:03 |
electroniceagle | is there an easy way to clear instances using nova-manage? | 22:03 |
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uvirtbot | New bug: #660818 in nova "delete backup_schedule error while running nosetests" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/660818 | 22:11 |
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kevnfx | vishy: thanks, I tried nova-manage create "5" yesterday and it raised an IndexError ... unfortunately have the same problem using your three arguments ("0" "3" "16"). | 22:16 |
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wc_ | soren: after reboot, only nova-api and nova-objecstore services started on their own... had to start others manually | 22:17 |
electroniceagle | soren was heading to bed | 22:18 |
wc_ | ok | 22:20 |
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wc_ | finally got one running! | 22:20 |
[RAD]Travis | is there a multiserver production setup document anywhere for swift, outside of the brief mentions in the swift wiki? | 22:24 |
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vishy | o rly | 22:28 |
vishy | kevnfx: traceback? | 22:28 |
kevnfx | Traceback (most recent call last): | 22:30 |
kevnfx | File "./nova-manage", line 487, in <module> | 22:31 |
kevnfx | main() | 22:31 |
kevnfx | File "./nova-manage", line 479, in main | 22:31 |
kevnfx | fn(*argv) | 22:31 |
kevnfx | File "./nova-manage", line 403, in create | 22:31 |
kevnfx | int(vpn_start)) | 22:31 |
kevnfx | sorry ... didn't mean to flood that to the group ... | 22:31 |
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kevnfx | vishy: actually now I get the following: | 22:33 |
kevnfx | ./nova-manage 0 3 16 | 22:33 |
kevnfx | 0 does not match any options: | 22:33 |
kevnfx | and nova-network just died (sqlalchemy/api.py line 95) ... let me do a fresh install | 22:36 |
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vishy | oh | 22:40 |
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vishy | nova-manage network create 0 3 16 | 22:40 |
kevnfx | vishy: yea, just noticed that I forgot the initial arguments ... let me try this again. | 22:41 |
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vishy | oh wait | 22:45 |
vishy | the zero won't work | 22:45 |
vishy | my bad | 22:45 |
kevnfx | vishy: sorry about that ... but unfortunately it's still broken. nova-network won't startup (keeps raising Exception('die')). nova.manage network create 0 3 16 returns with AtrributeError:vlan_start | 22:45 |
vishy | you need to put in the actual public range there | 22:45 |
vishy | i thought it would use it by default but it dusen't | 22:45 |
vishy | 10.0.0.0/8 is the default fixed_range i think | 22:46 |
kevnfx | vishy: so what are the three arguments? | 22:47 |
vishy | nova-manage network create 10.0.0.0/8 3 16 | 22:47 |
vishy | i thought if you put a zero in it would come in as null but it comes in as '0' | 22:48 |
vishy | :) | 22:48 |
kevnfx | vishy: that was my first guess, but still the same results. Probably more importantly, nova-network won't startup. | 22:50 |
kevnfx | File "/root/nova/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api.py", line 45, in is_admin_context | 22:50 |
kevnfx | 2010-10-14 15:48:07-0700 [-] raise Exception('die') | 22:50 |
vishy | ooo | 22:50 |
vishy | something is being called without context | 22:50 |
vishy | that is a bug, i'll take a look at it in a bit...can you pastebin the entire stacktrace for me? | 22:52 |
kevnfx | vishy: was just preparing that ... here it is: http://pastebin.com/JZg3qJgk | 22:52 |
kevnfx | I'll be back in a bit (need to assist a colleague with some english ;-) | 22:53 |
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kevnfx | vishy: heading home, but will be online from there. | 23:02 |
vishy | ok | 23:03 |
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creiht | [RAD]Travis: swift.openstack.org has some documentation | 23:28 |
creiht | http://swift.openstack.org/deployment_guide.html | 23:28 |
creiht | and | 23:28 |
creiht | http://swift.openstack.org/admin_guide.html | 23:28 |
creiht | unfortunatly not something that walks you through a multiserver setup yet | 23:28 |
creiht | We should start working on some soon though | 23:29 |
creiht | and I'm in the process of getting some hardware together to make a base "reference install" | 23:30 |
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vishy | kevnfx: ok i fixed the two bugs you noticed | 23:49 |
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