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| Orman | Hey guys. | 01:24 |
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| Orman | annegentle: You online? | 01:34 |
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| dysinger | woot can't wait for week after next | 01:40 |
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| Orman | dysinger: Yeah although I won't be their. | 01:43 |
| Orman | :( | 01:43 |
| Orman | Does anyone know who put in the Troubleshooting stuff in the Etherpad Nova? | 01:46 |
| Orman | http://etherpad.openstack.org/NovaSecurityNotes | 01:46 |
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| annegentle | Orman: me! | 01:56 |
| annegentle | Orman: just put it as a placeholder - when I see Qs on IRC I want to hold them somewhere | 01:57 |
| Orman | Ok | 01:57 |
| Orman | I wanted to thank you. | 01:58 |
| Orman | I just ran the time slider and saw you as well. | 01:58 |
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| Orman | Do you know if anyone has filed that bug or is in the middle of patching it? | 01:59 |
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| Orman | I am going to add more | 02:00 |
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| annegentle | Orman: ok, I don't think it has been filed as a bug, feel free to add more details | 02:04 |
| Orman | Hmm..okay. | 02:05 |
| Orman | Looks like it's in the ObjectStore and SSL | 02:06 |
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| Orman | I am thinking of some other possible bugs as well that might result from this. | 02:07 |
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| Orman | annegentle: Looking into ObjectStore and the handler module. | 02:10 |
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| Orman | annegentle: Trying to find the file that's has the bug in it. | 02:23 |
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| alekibango | Orman: see etherpad | 02:42 |
| alekibango | :) | 02:42 |
| Orman | Ok I did. | 02:43 |
| alekibango | -> know ourselves and the enemy :) | 02:44 |
| alekibango | thats imperative | 02:44 |
| alekibango | and prepare the battlefield that we CANNOT be defeated | 02:44 |
| Orman | Yeah that was good from Alekibango. | 02:44 |
| alekibango | i just like reding old books about power of love and love for power | 02:45 |
| alekibango | reading* | 02:45 |
| alekibango | love of power :) lol i should go sleep | 02:45 |
| Orman | Ok | 02:46 |
| Orman | Great stuff | 02:46 |
| Orman | We have to beat them to the holes. | 02:46 |
| alekibango | no we have to make sure we are unbeatable. | 02:47 |
| alekibango | they will fall into holes themselves | 02:47 |
| Orman | I LOl | 02:47 |
| Orman | lol | 02:47 |
| alekibango | Orman: well, thats the lesson from sun tzu | 02:47 |
| alekibango | and he was *Very* smart | 02:48 |
| Orman | Ok | 02:48 |
| Orman | We just need to be able to be unbeatable and crush the enemy. | 02:48 |
| alekibango | he will give us the victory himself. it is given by his mistake | 02:49 |
| Orman | True | 02:49 |
| alekibango | (by repeated connecting too much etc...) | 02:49 |
| Orman | lol yes | 02:49 |
| alekibango | we need to be sure we did no mistakes... | 02:50 |
| alekibango | which is pretty hard, but its the way to go | 02:50 |
| Orman | Yeah,but researching the vulnerabilities and patching them will make harder for them to get in. | 02:51 |
| Orman | Oh wait they won't be able too. | 02:51 |
| Orman | ;D | 02:51 |
| alekibango | Orman: they will be. | 02:54 |
| alekibango | eventually | 02:54 |
| alekibango | just some bug in ssh code and we are all ehm, in trouble | 02:55 |
| alekibango | but really, imho we should identify what is hackable now - and its everything moving on network in plain text :) | 02:56 |
| alekibango | and what else can malicious atackers do | 02:56 |
| alekibango | becuase THEY WILL | 02:57 |
| Orman | Storage is to | 02:57 |
| Orman | I just wonder how many bugs we don't know about. | 02:59 |
| alekibango | we need people imagining those threats --> documenting them | 02:59 |
| alekibango | Orman: try it the other way around. how you would atack private or public nova cloud? | 03:00 |
| alekibango | we could setup some clouds and make hacking competitions | 03:00 |
| * creiht would call and ask for the password :) | 03:00 | |
| alekibango | that might actually reveal a lot | 03:00 |
| alekibango | creiht: good one | 03:00 |
| alekibango | :)) | 03:00 |
| Orman | True | 03:00 |
| alekibango | i would go in with the screwdriver in the serverroom | 03:00 |
| alekibango | telling them that i am the fumigator | 03:01 |
| alekibango | or something | 03:01 |
| alekibango | you would be surprised how i actualy did this few times | 03:01 |
| Orman | Yeah we just need to expose the holes. | 03:02 |
| Orman | A lot of them | 03:02 |
| alekibango | Orman: in first step, we should look where we use unencrypted communication | 03:03 |
| Orman | Right | 03:04 |
| alekibango | and prepare policies to avoid riscs | 03:04 |
| Orman | Or features to build in order to prevent them. | 03:04 |
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| Orman | Authentication and Crypto. | 03:07 |
| Orman | Unencrypted is one of our main concerns | 03:10 |
| Orman | Alekibango: We just need to encrypt more. ;D | 03:14 |
| creiht | encrypt what? | 03:14 |
| Orman | communication | 03:15 |
| creiht | Imagines that most security concerns are solved via best practices | 03:15 |
| Orman | Yes that too. | 03:15 |
| Orman | We just need to find the vulnerabilities and develop new security solutions to help minimize them. | 03:16 |
| creiht | then get to it! :) | 03:17 |
| Orman | :) | 03:17 |
| Orman | I need dev helpers to | 03:17 |
| Orman | It's a team effort | 03:17 |
| alekibango | there should be security session on the sumit | 03:18 |
| Orman | I wish. ;D | 03:20 |
| Orman | I wish I could speak and be their. | 03:21 |
| alekibango | tell anne to do it in your stead | 03:22 |
| Orman | Yeah I was thinking about if it was streamed live online. ;D | 03:23 |
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| Orman | I would to watch it online. ;D | 03:26 |
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| Orman | alekibango: I would to see it on Ustream.;D | 03:35 |
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| Orman | It would be cool if there was section of the summit for security. | 03:41 |
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| coolhandluke | vishy: hi. we're trying to do a multi node install of nova. (i.e controller and compute nodes are hosted on distinct machines). The KVM's get fired up okay, but they arent visible to the controller (ping, ssh fails). I've tried everything from Flat Network manager, VlanManager , but still cant get a breakthrough. Any pointers/thoughts? | 09:41 |
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| coolhandluke | vishy: so , I was wondering if you'd also encountered this issue while doing a nova install. | 09:55 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #667829 in nova "Registering image failing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/667829 | 14:51 |
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| spectorclan | Question on Design Summit - request for a IRC channel for each technical blueprint discussion; thoughts? I like idea but requires a scribe in all meetings to interact with IRC | 15:00 |
| spectorclan | thoughts? | 15:00 |
| annegentle | I think they used Etherpad previously? | 15:05 |
| creiht | Why do we need a separate IRC channel for each blueprint? | 15:06 |
| creiht | Yeah I think Etherpad would work better | 15:06 |
| alekibango | creiht: +1 etherpads | 15:06 |
| _0x44 | spectorclan: We use etherpad for that. | 15:07 |
| annegentle | does anyone have a list of all the Etherpad URLs from the last summit? | 15:07 |
| * annegentle asks hopefully | 15:07 | |
| _0x44 | annegentle: They're linked from the wiki. | 15:07 |
| _0x44 | http://wiki.openstack.org/Summit/Austin | 15:07 |
| _0x44 | Linked from every talk on that page. | 15:07 |
| annegentle | Yay thanks! | 15:08 |
| annegentle | _0x44: funny, I have visited that page and never made the connection LOL | 15:08 |
| _0x44 | We probably want to have a better naming convention for the topics/discussions on the Bexar page | 15:09 |
| _0x44 | (Also, you're welcome :) ) | 15:09 |
| tr3buchet | well look who it is ;p | 15:09 |
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| alekibango | annegentle: it might be good idea to talk about security on the summit | 15:09 |
| _0x44 | /kick tr3buchet Hush sprinkles. | 15:10 |
| annegentle | _0x44: you mean for uniqueness? | 15:10 |
| * tr3buchet doesn't know who that is.. | 15:10 | |
| _0x44 | annegentle: Yes, the link to the talk about the Releases has been supplanted by the Release schedule | 15:10 |
| annegentle | _0x44: weird, so the last half are all wiki links, not Etherpad links... was that the intent? To switch from Etherpad to wiki? | 15:11 |
| _0x44 | annegentle: No, they're linked from those links. | 15:11 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #667839 in swift "can't start servers with relative paths to configs" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/667839 | 15:11 |
| _0x44 | http://wiki.openstack.org/API has a link to http://etherpad.openstack.org/API | 15:11 |
| annegentle | _0x44: Oh I get it, thanks. Clickety click click. | 15:12 |
| _0x44 | Wiki should have a semi-static representation of the discussion before the summit and eventually a synthesized decision from the discussion/etherpad. | 15:12 |
| spectorclan | Great, did we have an assigned scribe to each blueprint meeting? Did we publish the etherpad links ahead of time for people to follow? | 15:15 |
| _0x44 | spectorclan: No. That would be stupid. | 15:16 |
| _0x44 | spectorclan: The etherpad should be prepopulated with the key-points of the talk, and then is collaboratively updated by the audience. | 15:16 |
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| spectorclan | i see; so the people who will run the blueprint session will each create an etherpad | 15:17 |
| _0x44 | Right | 15:17 |
| spectorclan | how do we let people who are not in attendance follow along? or can they? | 15:17 |
| gustavomzw | any plans to stream live audio like UDS does? | 15:17 |
| _0x44 | I was under the impression that there would be streamed live audio. | 15:17 |
| spectorclan | we have lots of issues with bandwidth so that may not be possible | 15:17 |
| spectorclan | i need to double check with Bret P on that | 15:18 |
| creiht | They streamed the audio at the last conference | 15:18 |
| _0x44 | That seems like poor planning then. The summit was advertised for local and remote attendees. | 15:18 |
| alekibango | and video ? | 15:18 |
| spectorclan | we are not using a hotel facility this time but an office building in downtown san antonio | 15:18 |
| spectorclan | we are adding in all the bandwidth | 15:18 |
| spectorclan | video right now is for the business tracks only | 15:19 |
| alekibango | spectorclan: at least please record video and put it somewhere plz :) | 15:19 |
| _0x44 | spectorclan: Well, whomever was planning this should have planned for additional bandwidth for streamed audio. | 15:19 |
| alekibango | there is not enough videos about openstack on the internet | 15:19 |
| alekibango | i have seen all of them | 15:19 |
| spectorclan | the issue is lots of costs due to facility; the location was chosen for us this time ; not selected for optimal event location | 15:19 |
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| alekibango | idea: make rebroadcast from another location | 15:20 |
| alekibango | so you will need just low bandwidth | 15:20 |
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| alekibango | and the rebroadcast server might be public | 15:20 |
| spectorclan | ok, will work on either getting real time streaming or full video tapes of the session. let me work thru that now and make sure we have somethign in place. will let you know more details when I have them thanks for your feedback | 15:20 |
| spectorclan | much appreciated | 15:20 |
| alekibango | :) | 15:21 |
| _0x44 | spectorclan: Streamed audio should be a requirement for future summits. If there's not going to be streamed audio, then there probably needs to be someone typing out key spoken points into the etherpad | 15:21 |
| spectorclan | thus, my earlier point. thanks | 15:21 |
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| _0x44 | (Which comes back to your scribe comment, they weren't necessary at Austin because we had streamed audio) | 15:21 |
| spectorclan | we all come full circle | 15:21 |
| _0x44 | Doesn't the Westin building have phones? | 15:21 |
| gustavomzw | spectorclan: thanks | 15:21 |
| _0x44 | Why doesn't someone just set up a phone bridge and a speakerphone in the technical tracks? | 15:22 |
| spectorclan | this part of the project is handled by the Rackspace event folks with Bret's help. I am working on getting info now | 15:22 |
| spectorclan | <_0x44> I do like your idea with phone as a last resort | 15:23 |
| alekibango | spectorclan: as software, vlc can be used for recording and rebroadcast of video and audio | 15:23 |
| spectorclan | yup, i have used that before | 15:23 |
| alekibango | another idea - setup mumble server :) | 15:24 |
| alekibango | make a room where people will be able only to listen | 15:24 |
| alekibango | and put there audio from the conference | 15:24 |
| alekibango | one laptop and 50kbps will be enough | 15:24 |
| alekibango | :) | 15:24 |
| alekibango | i can help with that if needed | 15:24 |
| alekibango | mumble is like voice irc | 15:25 |
| spectorclan | <alexkibango> good idea, i will add that to suggestions for team | 15:25 |
| alekibango | hundreds of people can talk at once | 15:25 |
| alekibango | and you can have moderators etc | 15:25 |
| alekibango | we might even do global audio conferences with it | 15:26 |
| alekibango | mumble.sf.net | 15:26 |
| spectorclan | alexkibango - i sent the idea off to Bret P, Rick C, and the event team at Rackspace | 15:27 |
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| alekibango | with mumble, its 2 way communication - you can let (some selected) people to ask questions | 15:30 |
| piken | or for a pretty low price you can rent webex space from oracle hosted on their servers so all you need to do is provide enough bandwidth for audio and video to their servers and they handle the load to all the clients. | 15:32 |
| _0x44 | Rackspace isn't really hurting for bandwidth or servers... ;) | 15:33 |
| alekibango | i can help with mumble if needed, its free software and 1 server can handle thousands of users at once | 15:33 |
| alekibango | ...i am operating one for years and i am very happy to have it | 15:34 |
| alekibango | as i dont like skype spyware etc | 15:34 |
| alekibango | and this one really works well | 15:34 |
| alekibango | (it was originally done for gamers to chat while shooting) | 15:35 |
| spectorclan | _0x44: I agree, the issue is that the facility had to have some reconstruction to it; new walls, etc which cost a bit more than anticipated. I will wait for Bret and team's response on all your ideas. | 15:35 |
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| _0x44 | spectorclan: I was meaning for hosting a voip server like webex, it was a response to piken's idea about contracting with oracle | 15:36 |
| _0x44 | spectorclan: Not implying that the Westin building should be rife with available pipe. | 15:36 |
| spectorclan | Yes, I do like the idea. | 15:36 |
| spectorclan | Using Westin building is a challenge for us. Hotels are usually easier to work with as they have all this setup | 15:37 |
| _0x44 | I have to run to the Collegio, I'll be back in an hourish if anyone needs me. | 15:37 |
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| alekibango | i would prefer free software, open protocol, open format solution | 15:37 |
| alekibango | oracle is ehm, not that open | 15:38 |
| alekibango | spectorclan: if you or someone would like to try mumble, install it and msg me | 15:40 |
| spectorclan | alekibango: not open, but Oracle owns lots of Open source ; how can that be? | 15:40 |
| alekibango | well, they provided some... but they are still trying to be above service sector of the economy | 15:42 |
| alekibango | and i do not believe such companies | 15:42 |
| alekibango | when its possible, i prefer to be not dependent on them in any way | 15:43 |
| alekibango | .. still i am using vim (vi was written by one of sun founders) | 15:44 |
| alekibango | :) | 15:44 |
| spectorclan | emacs all the way!!! | 15:44 |
| alekibango | hehe | 15:44 |
| tr3buchet | mumble is just open source ventrilo/teamspeak if i remember right? | 15:44 |
| alekibango | yes | 15:44 |
| tr3buchet | i remember screwing around with that a year or so ago | 15:45 |
| alekibango | if you do not fail to configure microphone on current linux messy audio middleware, it works like charm | 15:45 |
| tr3buchet | yeah | 15:45 |
| tr3buchet | be better than trying to run vent in wine | 15:45 |
| alekibango | i even translated it once into my language, but i failed to keep my translation current | 15:45 |
| alekibango | tr3buchet: its free software, unlike vent or teamspeak | 15:46 |
| tr3buchet | yep, although both those are free in small quantities | 15:46 |
| tr3buchet | but you're right about mumble being > | 15:46 |
| alekibango | well, thats just enoug honey to make you come to the trap... | 15:47 |
| tr3buchet | yep | 15:47 |
| tr3buchet | glad to know mumble is a good workable solution | 15:47 |
| alekibango | since i met RMS i have seen the light (lol) | 15:48 |
| alekibango | http://patenty.modry.cz/data/rms_a_ja/david_pravec.jpg :) | 15:48 |
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| alekibango | tr3buchet: i use mumble every week to talk to my people, even to customers... | 15:51 |
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| tr3buchet | alekibango: instaslling now | 15:52 |
| alekibango | i will afk for hour or 2 now :) will talk to you later ok? | 15:52 |
| alekibango | :) | 15:52 |
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| tr3buchet | great | 15:53 |
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| RamD | Hi: where can I get RackSpace API info and also about the "Citrix" plugin for Xenserver support? | 17:09 |
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| vishy | coolhandluke: My guess is you need to setup security groups | 17:10 |
| vishy | coolhandluke: euca-authorize -P tcp -p 22 default | 17:11 |
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| gundlach | RamD: You can get Rackspace's current API info from http://docs.rackspacecloud.com/servers/api/cs-devguide-latest.pdf . Nova's "OpenStack API" is similar to that spec. I don't know if there is official documentation for the OpenStack API yet, so the source code in nova.api.openstack is perhaps your best bet right now. | 17:24 |
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| RamD | Thanks..Also I read that redis is no longer required...Do I need SQLAlchemy to do the basic install? | 17:31 |
| eday | RamD: yup | 17:32 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #667935 in swift "Add etc/swift.conf-sample to base swift package" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/667935 | 17:42 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #667941 in nova "EC2 API and OpenStack API should live on separate ports" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/667941 | 17:46 |
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| jaypipes | vishy: were you trying to get ahold of me earlier? | 18:17 |
| vishy | yeah had a sqlalchemy thing to discuss | 18:18 |
| vishy | but i got it figured out | 18:18 |
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| jaypipes | vishy: ok :) | 18:20 |
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| jaypipes | vishy, eday, gundlach: ah, coding... http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Double-Spaced.aspx | 18:21 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #667956 in swift "chunked transfer client disconnect causes unhandled value error in object server" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/667956 | 18:21 |
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| eday | jaypipes: nice | 18:24 |
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| Dweezahr | Hello | 19:07 |
| Dweezahr | Just started with OpenStack | 19:07 |
| dendrobates | Dweezahr: welcome | 19:07 |
| Dweezahr | I am following the SAIO man | 19:07 |
| Dweezahr | thank you for the welcome | 19:07 |
| Dweezahr | I get an 503 | 19:07 |
| Dweezahr | swift-auth-add-user -K devauth -a test tester testing | 19:07 |
| jaypipes | creiht: ^^ | 19:08 |
| Dweezahr | the password is devauth yes | 19:08 |
| Dweezahr | Will change lateron | 19:08 |
| * jaypipes assigns creiht to all questions. :) | 19:08 | |
| dendrobates | ah, I'll let creiht or one of the other swift guys help you with that. | 19:08 |
| dendrobates | but welcome, none the less | 19:08 |
| Dweezahr | I like the opensource thing | 19:08 |
| Dweezahr | I have read your meetings as well in IRC | 19:09 |
| Dweezahr | I think that is a good way to conference | 19:09 |
| alekibango | Dweezahr: mumble might be also great for voice conferencing :) | 19:09 |
| Dweezahr | true, that is on my list as well, but not enough time yet | 19:10 |
| Dweezahr | I will use VPN for that in the future | 19:10 |
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| alekibango | btw mumble is secure, no need for vpn | 19:10 |
| creiht | hah | 19:10 |
| Dweezahr | I woul like to SMB with the people | 19:10 |
| creiht | Dweezahr: howdy | 19:11 |
| alekibango | Dweezahr: openvpn or n2n | 19:11 |
| Dweezahr | ipsec l2tp | 19:11 |
| Dweezahr | with raidus | 19:11 |
| Dweezahr | *radius | 19:11 |
| alekibango | i 'love' radius | 19:11 |
| creiht | most likely the proxy is having issues creating the accounts on the accounts servers | 19:11 |
| alekibango | Dweezahr: think about openvpn. it works well. n2n is interesting for adhoc vpns | 19:11 |
| creiht | check /var/log/syslog (or messages) and see if there are any errors | 19:12 |
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| Dweezahr | Running fedora 13 | 19:12 |
| Dweezahr | likely selinux that is blocking it | 19:12 |
| vishy | jaypipes: spaces are hard, let's go shopping! | 19:13 |
| alekibango | Dweezahr: might be. see logs to be sure... | 19:13 |
| creiht | Dweezahr: also make sure the account servers are running | 19:14 |
| creiht | ps -ef | grep account | 19:14 |
| creiht | there should be 8 processes total | 19:14 |
| alekibango | creiht: idea: we should write 'drOpenstack' script which will check those things and tell you where might be the problem | 19:14 |
| Dweezahr | I see the error | 19:14 |
| creiht | alekibango: yeah I've been thinking about that | 19:15 |
| creiht | :) | 19:15 |
| Dweezahr | attempt to write a readonly database | 19:15 |
| alekibango | creiht: please start it! | 19:15 |
| creiht | alekibango: it is on an ever growing list :) | 19:15 |
| alekibango | noobsters will love it | 19:15 |
| alekibango | i can do it if you will give me those checking mechanisms | 19:15 |
| alekibango | and it can be used to monitor installations and notify over im | 19:16 |
| creiht | Dweezahr: make sure the dirs /srv/[1-4] are owned by your user | 19:17 |
| jaypipes | vishy: :) | 19:18 |
| Dweezahr | creiht, I have done that, do I have to restart swift? | 19:18 |
| Dweezahr | because error is still there | 19:18 |
| creiht | Dweezahr: can you paste the entire traceback at paste.openstack.org? | 19:19 |
| creiht | and yeah you might have to | 19:19 |
| notmyname | Dweezahr: there is a bug. let me find the link | 19:19 |
| Dweezahr | ow | 19:19 |
| notmyname | Dweezahr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/666957 | 19:19 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 666957 in swift "devauth server creates auth.db with the wrong privileges" [Medium,New] | 19:19 |
| Dweezahr | I wil paste it | 19:19 |
| notmyname | do a chmod on the auth.db. then restart the auth server | 19:20 |
| Dweezahr | notmyname, that is a good suggestion | 19:21 |
| creiht | ahh yes | 19:22 |
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| Dweezahr | Yes it works now! | 19:24 |
| Dweezahr | This is great, It works so far, I did not expect this for software that was release a week ago | 19:25 |
| creiht | :) | 19:25 |
| creiht | Well swift is based off of what we are currently running at Rackspace as cloudfiles | 19:25 |
| Dweezahr | That is nice | 19:26 |
| Dweezahr | Why IBM is not doing such projects? | 19:26 |
| alekibango | they have its own, proprietary | 19:26 |
| creiht | yes they have some interesting storage products, but not open source | 19:27 |
| Dweezahr | Open source is what I mean yes | 19:27 |
| Dweezahr | Sun was going opensource as well | 19:27 |
| creiht | *was* :/ | 19:27 |
| creiht | they had some interesting stuff | 19:27 |
| Dweezahr | yeah, oracle is against this | 19:27 |
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| alekibango | Dweezahr: we share the feeling that cloud should not be proprietary thing | 19:28 |
| Dweezahr | I agree | 19:28 |
| Dweezahr | If there was no linux and bsd, where osx is based on, windows would still be at the level of xp | 19:29 |
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| DesiJat | Dweezahr: i dunno, XP wasn't all that bad. :P | 19:41 |
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| Dweezahr | Can anyone give an indicative when the documentation on how to install openstack on an production environment will be ready? | 20:09 |
| Dweezahr | Or can I already deploy it, because the documentation is outdated? | 20:10 |
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| annegentle | Dweesahr: We're drafting a multiserver installation doc for OpenStack Object Storage at http://etherpad.openstack.org/MultiServerSwift. | 20:40 |
| spectorclan | Update on streaming tech sessions at Design Summit; we are good to go. We have a dedicated hard ethernet connection with plenty of bandwidth in each room; What tools should we use to stream? Need advice | 20:42 |
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| Dweezahr | annegentle, thank you, that is what I was looking for | 20:45 |
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| annegentle | Dweesahr: Excellent. The chat in that Etherpad lets you know the areas where it's still a work in progress, like the networking explanations. Feel free to let us know your findings as well. | 20:46 |
| notmyname | annegentle: creiht: I've made a rough draft of a swift overview that could be used as a "what is it?" landing page. a better general overview than the architect notes. can you take a look? http://etherpad.openstack.org/swift-overview | 20:47 |
| annegentle | notmyname: thanks, I'll take a looksee | 20:48 |
| alekibango | looks great, notmyname | 20:48 |
| notmyname | it makes me realize how much we need API notes that aren't the RAX-specific ones | 20:49 |
| alekibango | most foss software projects fail to write good overview on first page :) | 20:49 |
| annegentle | alekibango: agreed, I can't tell you the number of times I've asked, but what do I DO with it? :) | 20:50 |
| alekibango | :) exactly | 20:50 |
| alekibango | what is that project good for | 20:50 |
| notmyname | I started this thinking it would be the first in a series of posts on my blog about swift, but quickly realized that there wasn't anything like it already in the docs | 20:51 |
| alekibango | luckily most of them have some screenshots | 20:51 |
| alekibango | notmyname: swift simply stores bits. -- i would like you to improve this part | 20:52 |
| notmyname | oh, I'm sure there is a bunch to improve | 20:53 |
| alekibango | still, very good article | 20:53 |
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| alekibango | looks somehow unfinished, but very good | 20:53 |
| alekibango | (no ending, conclusion, ...) | 20:53 |
| notmyname | well, ya. it's just a rough draft | 20:55 |
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| spectorclan | notmyname: I will post a etherpad doc that I have with something similar. Perhaps we could merge? hold on while I find it | 20:56 |
| notmyname | ok | 20:56 |
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| spectorclan | http://etherpad.openstack.org/swift-spector This also has some diagrams as well | 20:58 |
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| alekibango | spectorclan: it might be nice to merge those 2 :) | 20:59 |
| spectorclan | notmyname: we also need to be clear with names, swift and nova are for developers but we use Object Storage and Compute to the outside world. At least that is what I see on the web | 20:59 |
| spectorclan | alexbango: yep that is what I thougth | 20:59 |
| spectorclan | thought | 20:59 |
| notmyname | and this doc would be at swift.openstack.org | 21:00 |
| alekibango | spectorclan: ale[tab] will help | 21:00 |
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| spectorclan | alekibango: ale[tab] ?? sorry don't know | 21:00 |
| alekibango | pressing tab key will in most irc clients fill the name for you | 21:00 |
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| spectorclan | alekibango: ahaha | 21:01 |
| alekibango | spectorclan: :) | 21:01 |
| alekibango | sp[tab] :) | 21:01 |
| creiht | spectorclan: we don't care what you call it, but the project is called swift ;) | 21:01 |
| spectorclan | creiht: not my naming confusion, just following what I see on the website, who should we blame??? | 21:02 |
| creiht | Well there are two things... marketing and reality... :) | 21:02 |
| alekibango | maybe we should abaddon unused names and keep nova and swift | 21:02 |
| alekibango | :) | 21:02 |
| spectorclan | BTW, Update on streaming tech sessions at Design Summit; we are good to go. We have a dedicated hard ethernet connection with plenty of bandwidth in each room; What tools should we use to stream? Need advice | 21:02 |
| creiht | but mostly I'm just kidding around | 21:03 |
| spectorclan | no problem i get it | 21:03 |
| alekibango | spectorclan: video? | 21:03 |
| spectorclan | alekibango: yup | 21:03 |
| alekibango | wow | 21:03 |
| gustavomzw | cool | 21:03 |
| alekibango | i used vlc in the past | 21:03 |
| spectorclan | alekibango: need tool advice for what we should buy | 21:03 |
| alekibango | dont buy tools, use software :) | 21:03 |
| alekibango | and generic camera connected to laptop | 21:03 |
| creiht | anyone who is invovled with the project calls it swift, marketing material calls it object store | 21:04 |
| spectorclan | i am not sure we have cameras at all | 21:04 |
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| pvo | spectorclan: I think there might be some nameing issues of modules and name space if it was openstack::objectstore and openstack::compute | 21:05 |
| alekibango | software is great - generic, can be hacked, generic cameras can be used for different problems | 21:05 |
| pvo | it's get truncated to os::c and os::os | 21:05 |
| creiht | notmyname: you might want to expand on the CAP thing that we trade consistency mainly on listings, and that the objects are available as soon as they are uploaded | 21:05 |
| spectorclan | pvo: I leave the naming issues to the developers and marketing | 21:05 |
| redbo | that's sort of claiming read-after-write consistency, do we want to do that? | 21:06 |
| creiht | well we have that for objects right? | 21:06 |
| creiht | at least that seems to be what we have claimed in the past | 21:07 |
| alekibango | i woud say 'object storage' is generic name of a tool | 21:07 |
| alekibango | swift is name of one possible tool to fit that task | 21:07 |
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| redbo | chuck: I think we do, but we should think about it a bit. That specific type of consistency has had a little press lately since amazon started claiming it in some of their regions. | 21:10 |
| alekibango | spectorclan: you just need a camera which will work with vlc player and thats all :) | 21:12 |
| spectorclan | alekibango: ok, seems easy enough. I spoke with Bret P and told him I would get input from the community, will pass along to him. thanks. | 21:13 |
| alekibango | i will try to look for specific cameras | 21:13 |
| alekibango | and spectorclan, you can use mumble for n way communication, having only low bandwidth usage | 21:13 |
| alekibango | mumble is like irc, it has channels (rooms) | 21:14 |
| alekibango | it allows you to control who can speak etc | 21:14 |
| alekibango | so you can have moderated audio conferences | 21:14 |
| spectorclan | alekibango: got it, will add that as well | 21:14 |
| alekibango | its really great (but needs special client software) | 21:14 |
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| alekibango | spectorclan: if you install it, ping me -- i can test it with you (or more people) | 21:15 |
| alekibango | spectorclan: for vlc streaming, you will also need some server for rebroadcast, but its not hard | 21:16 |
| alekibango | and i can help with it (i have done some ip tv in the past) | 21:16 |
| spectorclan | alekibango: ok, I let Bret know and he can contact you with questions. Thanks for your advice | 21:17 |
| alekibango | image tells 1000 words - http://www.videolan.org/vlc/streaming.html | 21:18 |
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| spectorclan | Thanks for everyone's help today on all things Design Summit. Off to get my dog from the groomers - may need a second job to pay for this | 21:20 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #668070 in swift "Adding replicator unit tests" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/668070 | 22:27 |
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| notmyname | annegentle: I got distracted by some other stuff and didn't really finish the overview conversation | 22:27 |
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| notmyname | annegentle: I like spectoclan's intro in http://etherpad.openstack.org/swift-spector (except for the word "leverage". that's just silly) | 22:30 |
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