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| uvirtbot | New bug: #671236 in swift "LogProcessor fails first attempt to use it's InternalProxy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/671236 | 01:26 |
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| creiht | http://twitter.com/#!/joearnold/status/357224853536768 | 04:41 |
| creiht | :) | 04:41 |
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| itaifrenkel | hello. Ive got a newbie Q. Where can I find the test results report after running "python run_tests.py" ? (assuming I already closed the terminal) | 04:48 |
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| creiht | itaifrenkel: I think most of the devs are probably asleep, but hopefully you will get your answer sooner or later :) | 04:54 |
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| alekibango | itaifrenkel: in ./run_tests.err.log and in ./_trial_temp/ | 05:02 |
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| dendrobates | soren ttx: If I create some 30min sessions after lunch | 13:30 |
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| soren | dendrobates: yes? | 13:33 |
| ttx | dendrobates: yes? | 13:33 |
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| doude | Bonjour | 13:49 |
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| dendrobates | soren ttx: If I create some 30min sessions after lunch, we should have enough slots for all the bps | 13:57 |
| dendrobates | what do you guys think | 13:57 |
| dendrobates | we have some bps that are not large enough for an hour | 13:58 |
| ttx | "enough slots" meaning 3 parallel sessions at all time over 2 days right | 13:58 |
| ttx | or 2 parallel sessions at all times over 3 days ? | 13:58 |
| ttx | dendrobates: ^ | 13:58 |
| dendrobates | 3 parallel over 2 days with overflow onto the 3rd | 13:59 |
| ttx | dendrobates: my only gripe is that people will only be able to attend 33% of the sessions. Sounds like a scheduling nightmare to get everyone to be able to attend the sessions where they are "necessary" | 14:01 |
| dendrobates | soren: opinion? | 14:02 |
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| ttx | dendrobates: spreading over 3 days allows most people to attend 66% of the sessions. Maybe it's a bit too much. | 14:03 |
| smoser | hi. is there any discussion happening next week on bootloaders? Ie, rather than loading a kernel (as is done in ec2), loading a bootloader either from partition information or as a 'kernel' ? | 14:03 |
| smoser | and dendrobates https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/cloud-init-in-images | 14:03 |
| ttx | smoser: Haven't seen any blueprint around that. | 14:04 |
| dendrobates | vishy creiht: opinion? which should we optimize for concurrency or time? | 14:04 |
| smoser | i didn't see one either, but failure to find something in a blueprints search didn't mean a lot to me | 14:04 |
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| ttx | dendrobates: My vote goes to spread over 3 days, and have soren/mtaylor specify which sessions they need to attend (so that we schedule them the first two days). Pack them at the beginning, leave some empty slots at the end. | 14:08 |
| dendrobates | ttx: ugh, that sounds like more scheduling work for me. | 14:09 |
| ttx | dendrobates: no pain, no gain :P | 14:10 |
| dendrobates | ttx: I want to get everyones opinion before we make a decision. 3 days does not sound too bad, day 4 o UDS is when my head starts to get fuzzy. | 14:10 |
| ttx | dendrobates: oh sure ! If most people are comfortable with 2 days with 3 parallel sessions + 2 hacking days, I don't mind | 14:11 |
| ttx | It just sounds like people will miss a lot of sessions, then have two full hacking days... | 14:12 |
| ttx | (that's based on UDS experience, not Austin Design Summit experience, so feel free to fix me) | 14:12 |
| creiht | My opinion is that there are too many to discuss :) | 14:14 |
| ttx | creiht: too many subjects ? Or too many where you want to be present ? | 14:15 |
| creiht | both :) | 14:15 |
| ttx | ah :) | 14:15 |
| creiht | Do you really think you are going to implement that many blueprints in the next 6 months? :) | 14:16 |
| dendrobates | creiht: no, but that is part of the process | 14:16 |
| creiht | I also doubt there are many blueprints that warrant a full 1 hour discussion | 14:16 |
| creiht | but those are just my opinions :) | 14:17 |
| dendrobates | creiht: we need to figure out what is important and reasonable | 14:17 |
| creiht | You know what would be interesting, is to have a lightning talk session, where everyone has 5 mins to talk about their blueprint | 14:17 |
| creiht | then vote | 14:17 |
| creiht | the ones that get votes get discussed :) | 14:18 |
| dendrobates | creiht: that is actually a good idea. We should try that next time. | 14:18 |
| * ttx admits to have trouble picking only 13 sessions to attend over a list of 54. | 14:19 | |
| creiht | So my vote then would be to keep 2 days and make a mjority of the sessions 30 mins instead of an hour | 14:19 |
| creiht | 2 tracks | 14:19 |
| dendrobates | not another option! :) | 14:20 |
| creiht | that's still my vote :) | 14:20 |
| dendrobates | soren? | 14:20 |
| ttx | 30 min. is small -- especially if you keep 5 min. to switch between sessions. There are a few subjects that would definitely fit the bill, but the majority needs at least 40min. | 14:21 |
| soren | dendrobates: Yes? | 14:22 |
| dendrobates | That's why I was thinking about 30min session after lunch. | 14:22 |
| soren | dendrobates: Oh, /me reads scrollback | 14:22 |
| creiht | perhaps start with 30 mins, and if it requires more time, have an overflow area where the people really concerned with it can finish talk | 14:22 |
| creiht | the nice thing about 30 mins is that it forces you to keep the discussion focused | 14:23 |
| creiht | A lot of the discussions last year seemed to drag on | 14:23 |
| smoser | soren, i wouldn't mind discussing non-linux-kernel loading at the summit, if there is time available and a solution hasn't been already agreed on. | 14:24 |
| creiht | Just some observations | 14:25 |
| * ttx looks at ways to accomodate 9 slots instead of 6. | 14:25 | |
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| dendrobates | creiht: it should be different this time. Hopefully more focused. | 14:25 |
| soren | smoser: What's currently being worked on is whole-disk-images where we'd just boot whatever is on there. Put a boot loader in the image, and you get to boot. | 14:25 |
| soren | dendrobates: I don't know really. I don't like the 30 min + overflow to somewhere else idea, though. It makes scheduling even more impossible. We'd have to make sure people don't have two sessions in a row that they're "essential" for or something. | 14:27 |
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| smoser | soren, that sounds reasonable... its not backwards compatible, but maybe that doesn't matter (its easy enough to wrap a partition image in a partition table). | 14:28 |
| dendrobates | soren creiht: do you have any issues with extending to Thursday? | 14:28 |
| soren | dendrobates: Well, sure :) | 14:28 |
| dendrobates | I mean apart from that | 14:29 |
| soren | dendrobates: But I guess it's better than three session at a time over two days. | 14:29 |
| smoser | the EC2 cluster compute instantce types use xen HVM, so I'm guessing they have some accomodation for this in the ec2 api. | 14:29 |
| ttx | soren: you will be able to attend the same number of sessions anyway | 14:29 |
| soren | ttx: I'll be gone by Thursday, remember? | 14:29 |
| ttx | soren: yes. | 14:29 |
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| smoser | its possible that they just key whole disk versus partial disk off of a register argument indicating "hvm". | 14:29 |
| dendrobates | if we extend to 3 days and mix in some 30 min sessions that should make things more manageable | 14:29 |
| soren | ttx: Oh, I see what you mean. | 14:30 |
| creiht | dendrobates: It doesn't matter to me much since we have only like 4 or so blueprints to discuss :) | 14:30 |
| * soren was reading too fast | 14:30 | |
| ttx | soren: but adding more sessions on the trwo first days will not make you able to attend more. | 14:30 |
| ttx | soren: heh :) | 14:30 |
| creiht | dendrobates: And I volunteer the swift discussions for the 30 min slots :) | 14:30 |
| ttx | soren: you just need to make sure the ones you care about are scheduled over the first two days. | 14:30 |
| soren | ttx: I care about all of them! | 14:30 |
| soren | Deeply! | 14:30 |
| ttx | soren: then prepare your triplicates clones, you'll need them :) | 14:31 |
| dendrobates | annegentle: your content stuff seems to be scheduled in the business tracks, is that where you want to be? | 14:31 |
| ttx | so we have... | 14:31 |
| dendrobates | soren: then maybe you should attend the entire summit. | 14:31 |
| ttx | Option 1: three parallel 55min sessions over two days, a few 30 min slots. | 14:32 |
| ttx | Option 2: two parallel 55min sessions over three days | 14:32 |
| ttx | Option 3: two parallel 35-40min sessions over two days | 14:32 |
| dendrobates | option -1: Screw the summit, lets drink beer | 14:32 |
| creiht | summiting is hard, lets go shopping | 14:33 |
| ttx | option -2: screw planning, let's unconference it | 14:33 |
| creiht | option -2++ | 14:33 |
| creiht | :) | 14:33 |
| dendrobates | ttx: they main problem with the unconferences is that they are usually useless. | 14:33 |
| ttx | dendrobates: agreed. Difficult to get outcomes | 14:34 |
| ttx | dendrobates: my vote is on 2, 3, 1 | 14:34 |
| dendrobates | I like 2 and 3 combined. 4 days with some 30 min sessions. | 14:35 |
| dendrobates | er 3 days | 14:35 |
| ttx | 2+3... that would make... option 5. | 14:35 |
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| ttx | 3 days x 30min. sessions... that would make like 1.6 sessions at the same time. | 14:36 |
| ttx | dendrobates: then my vote is on 2, 3, 5, 1. | 14:37 |
| cole | ttx: http://bit.ly/cnu3r6 | 14:39 |
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| ttx | dendrobates: option 1 -> 13 time slots. option 2 -> 20 time slots. option 3 -> 19 time slots. option 5 -> 29 time slots. | 14:42 |
| ttx | for... 54 accepted blueprints. | 14:43 |
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| soren | dendrobates: *grubmle* | 14:45 |
| soren | dendrobates: Whose idea is it anyway that these things start on Tuesdays? | 14:45 |
| soren | What is wrong with Mondays? Nothing! | 14:45 |
| * soren likes Mondays | 14:45 | |
| ttx | soren: for those attending two days... optoin 1 -> 13 time slots. option 2 -> 13 time slots. option 3 -> 19 time slots. option 5: 19 time slots. | 14:46 |
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| cole | I dislike traveling on a sunday to start a conference on monday, i'd rather use a work day to travel than my weekend =) | 14:46 |
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| soren | cole: Live closer. | 14:49 |
| soren | cole: Or deal. | 14:49 |
| soren | :) | 14:49 |
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| soren | cole: But good point. | 14:50 |
| annegentle | dendrobates: I'm giving a talk about content in the business track, yes. Also running the doc sprint Thurs. and Fri. | 14:53 |
| dendrobates | cool | 14:53 |
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| annegentle | dendrobates: we should have a good graphic for the logo on the registration site today, Todd and I are workin' on it. | 14:54 |
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| cole | i should have given a talk on US Joint Task Force Special Publication 800-53 and FIPS 140-2 compliance for cloud infrastructure | 14:56 |
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| dendrobates | I'm still leaning towards option 5, I'm going to start rearranging the schedule in 90 mins. So now is the time to make any arguments | 15:24 |
| ttx | Option 5 is fine by me. As long as slots are at least 40min long I think we are ok. | 15:25 |
| soren | dendrobates: Sorry, what is option 5? I see options 1-3? | 15:25 |
| ttx | soren: <ttx> 2+3... that would make... option 5. | 15:26 |
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| ttx | <dendrobates> I like 2 and 3 combined. 3 days with some 30 min sessions. | 15:26 |
| soren | Ah. | 15:26 |
| soren | Sure, that's ok with me. I may have a preference, but not enough to care to argue about it. | 15:26 |
| ttx | dendrobates: 5 with a mix of 55 and 30 min sessions ? Or with all 40-45 min sessions | 15:26 |
| dendrobates | 5 with a mix of 55 and 30 min sessions | 15:27 |
| ttx | dendrobates: that should work. Wouldn't work at UDS because too many people play with scehduling, but here it should be manageable | 15:27 |
| annegentle | cole: Like the installation prompts, let me know if you want any writing help. I'm soooo glad to see it scripted | 15:28 |
| dendrobates | annegentle: I saw your screencast. Awesome! | 15:28 |
| ttx | dendrobates: (to keep the 30min. sessions in the 30min slots) | 15:28 |
| annegentle | dendrobates: I uh um uh er thanks :) | 15:30 |
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| soren | annegentle: Where can I see this screencast? | 15:31 |
| annegentle | soren: here ya go http://wiki.openstack.org/NovaInstall/Video | 15:32 |
| soren | ta | 15:33 |
| creiht | annegentle: that's awesome | 15:40 |
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| piken | God, I hate writing specs. just coding is so much nicer. lol | 15:42 |
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| piken | who cares if you forget what your coding half way through. | 15:43 |
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| ttx | termie: if you're attending the summit, you should register at https://launchpad.net/sprints/ods-b/+attend | 15:54 |
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| termie | ttx: i don'tthink i am :/ | 16:04 |
| termie | ttx: my location doesn;t make it so easy | 16:05 |
| termie | i want to go to the tokyo meetup though | 16:05 |
| termie | ... since i am in tokyo at the moment | 16:05 |
| termie | but that won't stop me from dropping tons of blueprints on y'all | 16:05 |
| termie | TEXAS BABy | 16:05 |
| ttx | termie: ah ok.. you're marked as drafter of one of the specs to be discussed in San Antonio | 16:05 |
| * ttx checks | 16:05 | |
| termie | ttx: hopeso | 16:05 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/unified-service-architecture | 16:06 |
| termie | ttx: but i think i am making some others lead the discussion | 16:06 |
| termie | ttx: i have mr. mckenty signed up to be my avatar | 16:06 |
| ttx | termie: ok, could you set them as drafter, even if that's temporary ? | 16:06 |
| ttx | termie: we (ab)use the drafter field to have an idea of who will lead the discussion at the summit | 16:07 |
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| eday | ttx, termie: I can help represent that one too :) | 16:12 |
| eday | re: scheduling (reading back), I'm for making the least amount of concurrency. Since most of the blueprints are mostly on nova, it's hard to split them since you want the same folks in those talks. It's not like UDS where you have lots of very different projects, this is all pretty tightly coupled :) | 16:16 |
| dendrobates | eday: even uds has concurrency issues. I agree though. We will try to minimize concurrency. | 16:18 |
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| dendrobates | soren: have you been in the summit sw today? Trying to edit it now results in a traceback | 16:22 |
| eday | dendrobates: I'm sure, but this is probably even more difficult. 2 concurrent sessions will already be pretty tough, 3 would be nearly impossible to have the right devs there | 16:22 |
| dendrobates | soren Daviey: http://paste.openstack.org/show/94/ any ideas. | 16:27 |
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| eday | soren: can you look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~eday/nova/lp613264/+merge/40012 ? you had a 'needs fixing', want to be sure you approve now | 16:31 |
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| _0x44 | dendrobates: For the S3 blueprint should I have put it in a different definition status? It doesn't really need any explicit definition beyond "s3" needs to be supported to the same extent we support swift/filesystems/pants | 16:34 |
| dendrobates | I think it's fine. Who is going to lead the discussion at t eh summit? | 16:35 |
| _0x44 | dendrobates: I don't know that it needs discussion, I've already written it. I just haven't committed to a branch because it's waiting on resolution of the backend-imports blueprint | 16:37 |
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| eday | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nosql-datastore-adapter could probably be combined with distributed-data-store, we can talk nosql there (or it may be moot given outcome) | 16:37 |
| dendrobates | ok, good to know | 16:37 |
| _0x44 | dendrobates: But since it's a feature I didn't want to use a bug ticket to track it. | 16:37 |
| dendrobates | ttx can you remove nosql-datastore-adapter | 16:37 |
| _0x44 | dendrobates: Thanks :) | 16:38 |
| ttx | dendrobates: declined. | 16:39 |
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| johnpur | _0x44: you should talk to creiht about s3-swift support. it would be interesting to see if your code will hook up to his implementation. | 16:42 |
| Daviey | dendrobates: that is not an error i've seen :/ | 16:43 |
| Daviey | dendrobates: Frustratingly, it's very hard to debug without data that makes it go bang. :/ | 16:44 |
| dendrobates | Daviey: D you recommend flushing the db and starting over | 16:46 |
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| Daviey | dendrobates: or giving me a db dump ;) | 16:46 |
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| dendrobates | Daviey: you have access to the server. summit.openstack.org | 16:47 |
| dendrobates | your ssh keys are on it | 16:47 |
| Daviey | dendrobates: Oh... right... what is my userid? | 16:47 |
| dendrobates | Daviey: and everything is under /work | 16:47 |
| Daviey | dendrobates: how very LSB of you :P | 16:48 |
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| dendrobates | Daviey: daviey | 16:49 |
| jaypipes | dendrobates, eday: yeah, good call on declining nosql datastore... | 16:49 |
| Daviey | jaypipes: But will it web scale? | 16:49 |
| piken | What no MongoDB is webscale you know. | 16:49 |
| creiht | /dev/null is webscale :) | 16:50 |
| jaypipes | Daviey: the decision was to scrap it and use the distributed-data-store blueprint instead, that's all. | 16:50 |
| jaypipes | creiht: yes, that is much more scalable. | 16:50 |
| dendrobates | /dev/null is Web scale 2.0: Cloud scale | 16:50 |
| piken | no, /dev/null is OS2 scale ;) | 16:51 |
| Daviey | dendrobates: We've been talking about writing a persistence storage backend for /dev/null | 16:51 |
| piken | What gets me though. Is when ever I use that POC, I can never get the right data back from a query... Maybe I should have used erlang...... | 16:51 |
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| ttx | Daviey: done already @ http://www.supersimplestorageservice.com/ | 16:52 |
| eday | Daviey: just map /dev/null for writes, /dev/random for reads. Can't be much worse than the quality of information out there already :) | 16:53 |
| eday | piken: you talking trash about erlang?!? | 16:53 |
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| piken | Hey, it is good at what it was made for. Network switching for VOIP, Cellular, and TCP/IP networks. | 16:54 |
| piken | But if I see one more oh, lets use erlang so I can use a trendy word and technology that is shit outside of its scope, I think I will puke. lol | 16:54 |
| _0x44 | johnpur: This is for glance | 16:55 |
| _0x44 | johnpur: It's a backend for the image repository | 16:55 |
| piken | And yes, I have written a ton of erlang for highspeed application data routing on top of clustered apache at HostWay when I worked there. lol | 16:55 |
| Daviey | ttx: lol, not seen that! | 16:56 |
| ttx | Daviey: "All complaints and feature requests will be immediately stored using our S4-backed user request database." | 16:56 |
| _0x44 | johnpur: We want the image proxy/registry to be able to use any number of backends so we no longer have to worry about hosting them anywhere. People can just register an image with parallax and have it get into nova with no different interaction than any other image. | 16:56 |
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| eday | piken: I've written clustered object stores and am writing a SQL database in it now... it works fine for other applications too, IMO :) | 16:57 |
| _0x44 | johnpur: So swift s3 support won't really help | 16:59 |
| ttx | ok, eow here... See you on Monday evening, I guess | 17:01 |
| piken | eday: oh god, I think I just had an aneurysm. I would never wnat to try to go that far with it. Data switching is where I draw the line. lol | 17:01 |
| dendrobates | ttx: bye | 17:01 |
| eday | piken: there are right and wrong ways to go about it, heh | 17:02 |
| eday | piken: check out some of the libs Basho/Riak have | 17:02 |
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| piken | I have seen Riak. I am not a fan. lol | 17:04 |
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| Daviey | dendrobates: looking now | 17:06 |
| eday | piken: I take it you don't like couchdb either? :) | 17:08 |
| piken | no, not really. lol. But I like it better then Riak | 17:08 |
| _0x44 | *gasp* | 17:08 |
| dendrobates | you know what I hate, mysql, and anyone whoever worked on it ;) Important data belongs on post-it notes, stuck under keyboards. | 17:10 |
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| dendrobates | that's web scale | 17:10 |
| _0x44 | dendrobates: I think there's a post-it notes under keyboards engine for MySQL Cluster Grade Enterprise. | 17:11 |
| Daviey | dendrobates: austin-microsoft-hyper-v-support is the spec causing bangage | 17:12 |
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| dendrobates | Daviey: I'll fix it and re-import | 17:12 |
| Daviey | dendrobates: I have the page open, shall i just del it? | 17:13 |
| dendrobates | sure | 17:13 |
| dendrobates | what is the actual problem with the bp? | 17:13 |
| Daviey | dendrobates: TBH, not sure.. haven't investigated that far :) | 17:15 |
| dendrobates | Daviey: the bp looks fine, is the problem with the meeting in the summitdb? | 17:15 |
| dendrobates | Daviey: how did you determine that it was that bp causing the problem> | 17:16 |
| Daviey | dendrobates: i caught the error at run time, and print's :) | 17:16 |
| Daviey | dendrobates: Interesting... re-importing it has caused it to go bang again | 17:16 |
| Daviey | I wonder what has caused that :/ | 17:16 |
| dendrobates | Daviey the wiki url has spaces in it. | 17:17 |
| dendrobates | I'll fix it. | 17:17 |
| Daviey | WTF | 17:17 |
| Daviey | why would someone do that!? :) | 17:17 |
| dendrobates | Daviey: MS people wrote it and they tend to use spaces in filenamed | 17:17 |
| Daviey | ah, sounds reasonable | 17:18 |
| dendrobates | I have verified that it is the wiki url | 17:18 |
| neogenix | Have the technical track agendas been published? | 17:19 |
| dendrobates | The url is not handled correctly in the code. Its really a bug | 17:19 |
| dendrobates | neogenix: not yet, in a few hours | 17:19 |
| Daviey | dendrobates: ack | 17:19 |
| neogenix | dendrobates: Great, I've a few people asking around here, so I'll tell them I'll send it along to them as soon as it's out and about :D | 17:20 |
| eday | hm, our rss feed is broken. every time there is a new post a bunch of older articles get duplicated | 17:20 |
| * neogenix is sitting next to khussein, talking OS | 17:20 | |
| dendrobates | lunch, then schedule | 17:20 |
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| creiht | dendrobates: lol | 17:21 |
| khussein | * is distracted by neogenix | 17:22 |
| Daviey | dendrobates: fixed | 17:23 |
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| vishy | chuckle, just got to the part where the video completely avoids trying to pronounce my name | 17:28 |
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| vishy | "an excellent script produced by...ah...one of our community members" | 17:29 |
| vishy | :p | 17:29 |
| zul | gah...3 year old wont nap before speech therapy = cranky child | 17:29 |
| neogenix | vishy: lol, give them the phonetic spelling :D | 17:30 |
| vishy | nah it is much more entertaining this way | 17:30 |
| vishy | :) | 17:30 |
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| creiht | vishy: lol | 17:32 |
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| devcamcar | vishy: which video? | 17:58 |
| devcamcar | and howdy all | 17:58 |
| eday | devcamcar: howdy | 18:00 |
| vishy | devcamcar: http://wiki.openstack.org/NovaInstall/Video | 18:00 |
| devcamcar | nice | 18:00 |
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| annegentle | vishy: hee hee, sorry about that, you community member you. :) | 18:12 |
| dendrobates | has anyone seen gundlach around? | 18:14 |
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| vishy | annegentle: no problem, we had a bunch of the dev team watching the video, and someone said: "I wonder how she is going to pronounce your name?", so we all erupted into laughter at some point. | 18:17 |
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| vishy | s/some point/that point | 18:17 |
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| annegentle | vishy: that's hilarious! I was gonna say "vishy" but realized not everyone knows your IRC handle :) | 18:20 |
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| vishy | ha, most people call me vish, actually. Unfortunately it was taken on freenode | 18:25 |
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| dendrobates | schedule strawman for the first 2 days: | 18:51 |
| dendrobates | http://summit.openstack.org:8080/ods-b/2010-11-09/ | 18:51 |
| dendrobates | http://summit.openstack.org:8080/ods-b/2010-11-10/ | 18:52 |
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| eday | dendrobates: I thought tues. morn were general sessions with everyone? (before biz/dev split) | 18:54 |
| dendrobates | eday: just the first hour. | 18:54 |
| dendrobates | eday: there is no way we can get through everything if we give up half of one day. | 18:55 |
| jkelly | If someone with no real "hands-on" experience with openstack wanted to "dive in", do you think the dev sessions are going to require too much preexisting knowledge? | 18:57 |
| vishy | what happened to region/datamodel? | 18:57 |
| dendrobates | this is not complete, there will be sessions on Thursday too. | 18:58 |
| dendrobates | vishy: what is the URL for the bp? | 18:59 |
| cole | jkelly: tons of good input at first summit when lots of people had no "hands on" experience :) | 18:59 |
| jkelly | That's reassuring, thanks :) | 18:59 |
| neogenix | dendrobates: final? | 18:59 |
| dendrobates | neogenix: not yet | 19:00 |
| vishy | data one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/distributed-data-store | 19:00 |
| neogenix | dendrobates: k. Wondering if my bp will make it :| | 19:00 |
| dendrobates | neogenix: it is never really final, we can and will add and remove sessions during the summit | 19:00 |
| neogenix | dendrobates: ok. | 19:00 |
| vishy | and region one is here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multi-cluster-in-a-region | 19:01 |
| dendrobates | vishy: damnit, none of the ones, marked review got imported. | 19:02 |
| dendrobates | fixing | 19:02 |
| dendrobates | just what I needed more sessions | 19:02 |
| neogenix | dendrobates: what are the criteria for a bp making it for discussion? | 19:02 |
| vishy | Those two are the important ones | 19:02 |
| vishy | :) | 19:02 |
| vishy | imo | 19:02 |
| dendrobates | vishy: I'll get them in | 19:03 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #671580 in swift "ratelimit breaks without memcache" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/671580 | 19:06 |
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| dendrobates | aghhhhhh! we just don't have enough time at the summit to discuss all the blueprints | 19:22 |
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| vishy | some of the blueprints are tiny and probably don't need discussion | 19:25 |
| vishy | you can pull out mine about project_vpn | 19:25 |
| creiht | vishy++ | 19:25 |
| vishy | the code already exists | 19:25 |
| vishy | doesn't really need a blueprint per se | 19:25 |
| dendrobates | we definitely don't need to discuss things that are finished, a blueprint is still helpful though | 19:26 |
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| creiht | dendrobates: the talk about large file support can probably be combined with devcamcar's about client-side chunking | 19:29 |
| piken | The start of my spec is out at https://github.com/piken/unified-install/wiki/Nova-Unified-Install-System and attached to my blueprint at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/unified-install-system. | 19:29 |
| dendrobates | creiht: thanks, will do | 19:29 |
| piken | I have started POC implementation as I write the rest of the spec. | 19:29 |
| creiht | also for anyone who is interested, the first cut of the swift multi-node docs are up at: http://swift.openstack.org/howto_installmultinode.html | 19:29 |
| piken | vishy: I have had some luck with a VirtFSManager using your VolumeManager as a base class. As soon as the legal docs are done for corp submissiosn as a corp partner next week. I will get a merge ready for you on your branch. | 19:31 |
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| piken | Also, I want to put it up for discussion. I have some tests I did using the python-apt module, and the python-yum module. Would it be prefered for the unified installer to use those directly instead of using the command line apt-get and yum?? | 19:33 |
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| eday | dendrobates: we could go into friday too, I think most of the devs will be there | 19:37 |
| eday | dendrobates: rabbitmq-ha and bexar-message-queue-celery could probably be combined to "message queue discussion" | 19:38 |
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| soren | Err.. How did I get subscribed to openstack-announce@lists.openstack.org? | 19:45 |
| soren | and more importantly: Why is it being used for newsletters. srsly. That's not announcements. | 19:45 |
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| eday | dendrobates: file-injection-at-creation and openstack-api-image-modification could probably be dropped for summit discussion, those are pretty self explanatory | 19:46 |
| johnpur | dendrobates: if i search on sprints==ods-b do i get all the bps accepted for discussion? are we still discussing next week both bexar and bexar+1? | 19:48 |
| dendrobates | johnpur: yes to both, but some topics have been combined | 19:49 |
| dendrobates | all of pvo | 19:49 |
| dendrobates | johnpur: all of pvo's bps have been condensed to 1 2hour session | 19:49 |
| johnpur | dendrobates: thx. on the sprint tag what does an x versus a check mean? | 19:51 |
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| dendrobates | johnpur: x means declined, check means approved | 19:52 |
| dendrobates | johnpur: approved does not mean scheduled though | 19:53 |
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| johnpur | lol, sounds dumb, but what does declined mean? | 19:53 |
| soren | Anyone can propose stuff for any sprint. | 19:54 |
| cole | john: opposite of accepted :P | 19:54 |
| soren | The "owners" of the sprint can accept or decline topics for it. | 19:54 |
| cole | i love how openstack summit feels identical to UDS =) | 19:55 |
| soren | Pure coincidence, I'm sure. | 19:56 |
| soren | :) | 19:56 |
| johnpur | dendrobates: 13 of pvo's bps are declined. should i be concerned? | 19:56 |
| johnpur | cole: i knew there would be a joker in the crowd! | 19:56 |
| soren | johnpur: If they hadn't been declined, they'd be listed in the summit system as needing scheduling. | 19:57 |
| soren | johnpur: ..and since they've all been turned into a single session.. | 19:57 |
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| piken | How often are the summits going to be. Wasn't the Austin summit like 2 months ago? | 19:59 |
| johnpur | soren: thx. | 19:59 |
| notmyname | piken: every quarter, I think | 20:00 |
| notmyname | or every 6 months | 20:00 |
| soren | piken: It was mid-July. | 20:01 |
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| piken | ah, i thought it was later then that. | 20:02 |
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| piken | Well, I will have to see if I can make it to the next one after this. Once LexisNexis is set as a corp partner/contributer, at least me and a member of 2 from our ops team might be able to show up for some discussions and design. | 20:03 |
| johnpur | my day to be question man... https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/ods-b doesn't show the declined bps. can i get a combined view that shows all the ods-b bps? | 20:04 |
| eday | johnpur: they should all be marked bexar, but are not, so https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/bexar would be the thing to look at. instead just use: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/ | 20:07 |
| dendrobates | eday: they are not yet | 20:08 |
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| dendrobates | johnpur: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/sprints/ods-b/+specs?acceptance=declined | 20:08 |
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| johnpur | eday|dendrobates: thx. | 20:09 |
| dendrobates | johnpur: some of the ones declined have nothing to do with openstack and were incorrectly proposed | 20:11 |
| johnpur | dendrobates: no kidding... interesting reading tho... | 20:11 |
| dendrobates | johnpur: most of the RS stuff falls under service-provider-readiness | 20:12 |
| johnpur | dendrobates: i have been asked to summarize the non-rs bps for RAX. figured a good first step would be to ennumerate them... | 20:13 |
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| vishy | piken: awesome. I guess there were too many differences in implementation to abstract at the driver level? | 20:18 |
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| vishy | soren: I'm porting my cloudpipe changes. It involves a number of changes to crypto.py, including crls and such | 20:22 |
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| vishy | soren: we may have to sync up on the move over to m2crypto | 20:22 |
| soren | vishy: ngh.. | 20:23 |
| soren | vishy: Ok. I'm about 60% done, I'd say. | 20:23 |
| vishy | soren: the main differences are not using intermediate ca's and keeping track of and revoking user certs | 20:24 |
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| soren | vishy: You don't need intermediate CA's anymore? | 20:30 |
| vishy | soren: no they don't really make sense | 20:30 |
| soren | vishy: Awesome. Then I'm way more than 60% done :) | 20:30 |
| vishy | soren: we just have a different root ca per project | 20:30 |
| soren | Oh. | 20:30 |
| soren | Meh, details, details. | 20:30 |
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| vishy | intermediate cas weren't really doing anything useful, and in fact i couldn't really figure out how to configure openvpn to do what we needed using them | 20:32 |
| vishy | btw, using m2crypto for generating key pairs instead of ssh-keygen was about 3x slower | 20:33 |
| vishy | don't know how it is with certs | 20:33 |
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| soren | vishy: The raw keygeneration stuff or all of the fiddling about with the keys, turning them into this format, then the other, etc.? | 20:36 |
| soren | vishy: ...because I simplified that a /lot/. | 20:37 |
| vishy | the commented out code | 20:37 |
| dendrobates | vishy: 3x how slow? .05 , .1 sec, 5 sec | 20:37 |
| vishy | dendrobates: I don't remember, it was a long time ago, but i think it was something like 1 second down to 300ms | 20:37 |
| soren | I can try doing some benchmarks when I'm done. | 20:38 |
| dendrobates | soren didn't debian find a way to speed up key generation a few years ago? :) | 20:38 |
| vishy | coolness, as long as m2crypto is using sane c libraries, it should be able to do it at a reasonable speed. | 20:39 |
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| dendrobates | annegentle: how log do you need your doc sprint to be? Is it a full day? | 21:05 |
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| annegentle | dendrobates: Thursday and Friday morning drop-in if possible. But if we don't have the room, then Thursday. | 21:13 |
| annegentle | dendrobates: Logo image fixed on the summit site | 21:14 |
| dendrobates | We have an entire extra room for you, so no worries | 21:14 |
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| annegentle | dendrobates: excellent, thanks. | 21:14 |
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| annegentle | dendrobates: I think the logo's ok even with the red-on-red, we futzed with it quite a bit, though I can do a background image if you need. I think it's good-to-go tho. | 21:15 |
| dendrobates | I think it looks fine. Thanks | 21:16 |
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| redbo | mtaylor: what do we need to do to get an updated eventlet in the swift-core ppa? | 21:30 |
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| mtaylor | redbo: we just need to upload a new soure packages - do we need to make one? | 21:33 |
| redbo | I'd like to, there was a bug fixed in 0.9.13 that we're hitting. | 21:35 |
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| soren | vishy: m2crypto is a very thin wrapper around OpenSSL. | 21:37 |
| soren | dendrobates: *chuckle* | 21:37 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #671644 in swift "In swift.proxy.Controller, logic in account_info and container_info is problematic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/671644 | 21:41 |
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| mtaylor | redbo: gotcha. uploading now | 21:46 |
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| mtaylor | redbo: ok - have uploaded new packages for lucid, maverick and natty | 21:50 |
| mtaylor | redbo: once those hit, i'll update hudson and also the debian package for swift to require >= 0.9.13 | 21:50 |
| creiht | mtaylor: thanks! | 21:52 |
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| creiht | now if only we could get tarmac/hudson to swift/1.1.... :) | 21:53 |
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| khussein | dendrobates: Ziad just told me that we need to target the authn and multi-tenant blueprints. I was wondering what's the name of the target? | 22:24 |
| dendrobates | khussein: there is no need to target anything yet | 22:25 |
| khussein | dendrobates: OK Cool. So, he just wanted to make sure that you know about these two blueprints and that they are in the current agenda. | 22:26 |
| dendrobates | they are | 22:26 |
| khussein | Awesome, thanks :) | 22:26 |
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| zaitcev | I cannot attach anything to blueprint? | 22:28 |
| zaitcev | Didn't we have an associated pastebin for such cases? | 22:29 |
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| dendrobates | there is a place to link to a wiki | 22:33 |
| dendrobates | or etherpad | 22:33 |
| khussein | zaitcev: You can create your specs on wiki.openstack.org or etherpad.openstack.org, then link to it in Launchpad. | 22:34 |
| zaitcev | Right | 22:35 |
| zaitcev | Oh, thanks. I used my homepage for now, but there's an issue of lifetime. | 22:35 |
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| redbo | mtaylor: cool, thanks. | 22:51 |
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