Saturday, 2011-03-19

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pygihi folks00:40
pygianybody who can gimme some info on Nova web-based serial console?00:41
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sandywalshjoshuamckenty, will do01:02
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uvirtbotNew bug: #737953 in nova "nova.api.openstack.images doesn't return all attributes about an image" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #737956 in openstack-dashboard "can't make an image public" [Critical,In progress]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #737979 in glance "glance-control uses fixed path to Python interpreter, breaking virtualenv" [Undecided,In progress]
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alekibangobtw radioactive fallout from japan is coming to usa... if you didnt know, you need to get prepared *NOW*.    do not believe mainstream media or goverment spokesperson...04:03
alekibangosituation is bad... (as bad as chernobyl, if not more). and might get even much worse if those used fuel rods pools (which do contain also plutonium) will restart nuclear reaction....04:11
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uvirtbotNew bug: #737990 in glance "test_db_sync_downgrade_then_upgrade fails no such index: ix_images_deleted" [Undecided,New]
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ved1Hi, is there a documentation on how to map a NAS/SAN data source with Openstack ?04:54
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koolhead17hi all06:23
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oldbamif i wanted to get *ALL* swauth authentication data, for example to back it up in the different format, what would I do to retrieve it? any suggestions? :)13:42
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openstackjenkinsProject nova build #670: SUCCESS in 2 min 5 sec:
openstackjenkinsTarmac: Added run_instances method to the of the contrib/boto_v6/ec2 which would return ReservationV6 object instead of Reservation in order to access attribute dns_name_v6 of an instance.13:58
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dweimeroldbam: I think swauth-list would work for that.14:03
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dweimeroldbam: Use swauth-list to get all the accounts and then loop through each account and each accounts users to get all of the data.14:04
dweimerhmm, if you have a large number of accounts and want to spread the load accross each of your storage nodes you could also hook into account-auditor to dump out the data. That would require modifying swift/accout/ though.14:11
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oldbamdweimer: thanks14:15
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alekibangojaypipes: i know how you feel...18:30
alekibangothats the only thing i also hated on sqlalchemy...18:31
jaypipesalekibango: :(18:37
jaypipesalekibango: I'm not a huge fan of SQLAlchemy anyway. I think a lot of it is over-architected and obtuse.18:39
alekibangowell, might be. but it is effective ORM, easy to use, powerfull18:39
alekibangoi havent seen better one18:40
jaypipesalekibango: I'm not a fan of ORMs. They hide too much of what's going on in an attempt to make all databases act the same. And all databases are not the same.18:40
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alekibangoi see what you mean, but for simple apps, its life saver...18:40
jaypipesalekibango: I haven't seen a better ORM in Python than SA either. I'm just not a fan of ORMs in general.18:41
alekibangoit makes the work so easy18:41
jaypipesalekibango: actually, no, it doesn't IMHO. It makes the work ten times harder.18:41
alekibangojust week ago i written another sa application - only 128 lines of code18:41
alekibangothe application logs into db all my desktop activities...18:41
alekibangoso i will have pretty reports soon18:42
alekibango(names of windows, time.... keywords, contexts)18:42
jaypipesalekibango: are you going to be using >1 type of database? if not, why bother with SA?18:42
alekibangoyes, 3 tables18:42
alekibangoah you mean type of db18:42
jaypipesnot tables. databases.18:42
alekibangoto not need to write queries18:42
alekibangoit makes code longer18:43
jaypipesfor a 3 table application? I don't see the point, sorry...18:43
alekibangoand harder to maintain18:43
alekibango(which is the main point)18:43
jaypipesharder to maintain?18:43
alekibangoi did application where i was having 250 lines long dynamic sql scripts18:44
alekibangoand it was HELLO18:44
jaypipesthat's silly.18:44
alekibangoHELL i mean18:44
alekibangosome 12 years ago18:44
alekibangodebugging even 400 lines long query was making me sick18:45
alekibangoand when you are doing changes in db structure, the pain is getting worse sometimes18:45
alekibangoits pretty simple in SA18:45
alekibangoyou treat it like another object18:45
jaypipeswell, HELL is precisely what I'm in right now trying to deal with SA's obtuseness. You can't just easily query the database for its schema. You can't just easily execute SQL statement in any natural manner. Instead, you've got to create a MetaData object, then bind it to an Engine object, then consider Connection objects, and blah, blah. It's absolutely asinine for doing simple things.18:45
jaypipesORMs are for people who don't know how to write proper SQL ;)18:46
jaypipesdata is data. a record in a table is not an object. it's just data. And ORMs try to make data into something its not by wrapping data in endless layers of abstraction.18:47
alekibangoi think both methods have its days18:47
alekibangobut i see how SA can make you uneasy.... with complicated joins even i am getting mad at it18:48
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jaypipesperhaps. though right now, I think I've wasted so much time just trying to do simple things with SA and SA migrate that I've got a very bad taste in my mouth.18:48
alekibangothe migrate tools is outright crazy18:48
alekibangoi given up doign migrate on one of my apps :)  did it rather manually...18:49
uvirtbotNew bug: #738371 in nova "nova-api throws an exception when using S3 image service" [Undecided,New]
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n1md4Is there a Debian installation guide21:07
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