Tuesday, 2011-05-31

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Oneiropolohey,01:44
Oneiropoloi have a question about swift01:44
Oneiropolois there anyone can help me?01:44
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Oneiropoloi wanna know about the meaning of hash_suffix and suffix_dir in swift01:45
Oneiropolois there anyone can help me?01:45
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notmynameOneiropolo: I'll try01:54
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notmynamesuffix_dir is used to reduce the number of files in one directory01:55
notmynameby using the last 3 bytes as the name of the suffix_dir, you can be sure that there are only 4096 files in each directory01:56
notmynamethe hash_suffix is added to the end of every hash lookup to prevent attackers from being able to generate many hashes that are close together and therefore on the same drive in your cluster (so keep the hash_suffix a secret)01:58
notmynameOneiropolo: does that explain it sufficiently?01:58
Oneiropolothanks02:05
Oneiropolobut how reduce the number of files in one directory. I can't get it now.02:05
Oneiropolocould you give me an example?02:06
notmynamethe path on disk for every object includes the partition number02:07
notmynamethe partition is defined by some number of prefix bytes of the hash of the object02:07
notmynameso, for example, let's say you used a partition size of 2002:08
notmynameeach hash is 32 bytes long (md5)02:08
notmynameso therefore it's possible to have 16**12 files in one partition02:09
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notmynamefilesystems tend to break when presented with those sorts of numbers, so by using the last 3 bytes as a "directory in the middle", we can be guaranteed that only 4096 files are in each directory02:10
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notmynameactually, I misspoke02:19
notmynameit doesn't guarantee 4096 files per directory. it guarantees 4096 suffix dirs inside the partition02:19
notmynameso the path on disk looks like this:02:21
notmyname<data dir root>/<partition>/<one of 4096 suffix dirs>/<hash of object>/<object>02:22
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notmynameOneiropolo: make sense now (after I corrected myself :-/ )?02:28
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Oneiropolonotmyname : Thanks, now i'm getting it.03:05
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Guest19474Hi All, I am new to open stack04:40
Guest19474I am trying to fix a bug. I did the commit locally and pushed the code04:41
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Guest19474how do I add it for review?04:41
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uvirtbotNew bug: #790481 in nova "openstack api has problem to work with certain project" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79048105:31
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kaz__hi all07:05
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kaz__can you examine traffic of swift?07:11
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HugoKuo_I have a kvm raw image , Can I convert it for OPENSTACK NOVA ? what I need is cloud-init08:21
HugoKuo_am I right ?08:21
sorenHugoKuo_: You don't strictly need cloud-init in it.08:23
sorenHugoKuo_: It should just work.08:23
HugoKuo_so , I just add the raw image with Glance ?08:24
HugoKuo_right XD08:24
HugoKuo_It's cool !!!!08:24
sorenThat's the idea, yes.08:25
HugoKuo_Thanks u so much . I got write a article about P2V tomorrow08:26
sorenCool :)08:27
HugoKuo_cloud-init is for eucalyptus and amazon instance to retrieve , I'm interesting about how nova instance get it's metadata ,such as instance-ID   , ssh_rsa without cloud-init08:28
HugoKuo_looking for some doc... :>08:29
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sorenHugoKuo_: It doesn't.08:33
sorenHugoKuo_: That's what I'm saying. You don't strictly need cloud-init, because your instance can run perfectly fine without knowing its instance-ID.08:34
sorenHugoKuo_: Or without grabbing ssh keys from metadata (if you already put them in the image).08:34
sorenetc.08:34
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HugoKuo_totally understand .... I believe that will more clear after some more test .   run to test  . Yeah ~08:35
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HugoKuo_There's a good utility to do P2V into raw image ..very fast !!!09:07
HugoKuo_called clonezilla ........09:08
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czajkowskiAloha09:13
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HugoKuo_chiao09:31
HugoKuo_bonjour09:31
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HugoKuo_ni hau09:31
HugoKuo_hello09:31
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RaziqueHi all10:08
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uvirtbotNew bug: #790589 in nova ""source-group" option in euca-authorize does not function" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79058910:46
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ianmp100hello, i was wondering what the best practise for extending an existing cluster is.  For example say if i had a five zone production cluster (say about 1 PB) in size and I wanted to increase it to 2 PB, is it better to add more drives to each node in each zone or is better to create new zones.  Is there a recommended maximum size for a zone?10:59
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radeckHi I'm little bit confused with where are the instances files are stored I can see them in /var/lib/nova/instances/ does it mean they always  on local storage of the host ? Can Swift be used for storing instance folders ?11:37
radeckI've seen live migration docs but thats only exporting it from one of nodes If I want them to be HA should I consider some shared storage like NFS or ClusteredFS ?11:38
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sorenradeck: Swift is object storage. Not block storage. I cannot act as a backend for virtual machines.11:42
radeckok so I can't use Can Sheepdog be used for storing instances ?11:43
radeckI think I've seen somewhere support in Openstack for it11:44
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sorenradeck: Yes, you can use sheepdog.11:44
sorenradeck: ...but probably not in the way you think.11:44
sorenradeck: Are you familiar with EC2 or will their terminology only confuse this conversion further? :)11:45
radeckyep just reading about it its for volume-manager backend11:45
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radeckI'm ok with EC211:45
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radeckI was just wondering why running instances are local on every node11:46
sorenradeck: Ok. So openstack can use sheepdog to provide the EBS-like storage.11:46
sorenradeck: ..but the instance storage is always local. So far.11:46
radeckok11:46
radeckthats what I was wondering about11:46
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radeckputting it on some kind of shared storage will still not ensure HA ?11:47
sorenThe common thinking is that you shouldn't rely on any single instance for your service to keep functioning.11:47
radeckOK so you would bypass that by running instances on different nodes11:48
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radeckso there is no way to setup nodes which would share same /var/lib/nova/instances folder11:49
radeckand if one of nodes dies second will pickup running instaces ?11:50
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drewlanderI am setting up a new openstack nova installation. I am using glance. Whenever I attempt to create a new instance it complains about KeyError: 'HTTP_ACCEPT'13:03
drewlanderhere are the logs: http://paste.openstack.org/show/1486/13:03
drewlanderi am guessing it cannot connect to glance due to missing a key, but I do not know where to put it or if that is the case...13:03
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kbringardhey guys, I have a question about XenServer setup13:44
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uvirtbotNew bug: #790728 in nova "Remove unnecessary fault.Fault wrapping from OSAPI" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79072814:56
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uvirtbotNew bug: #790743 in nova "FaultWrapper middleware does not respect content types" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79074315:21
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Vekcan I get some eyes on https://code.launchpad.net/~klmitch/nova/os_int_tests/+merge/61474 ?  It's been languishing for lack of review...15:23
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newopenhi16:23
newopenwhen i run a new instance, it passed from launching to shutdown16:23
newopenwho know why?16:23
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kbringardnewopen: there are any number of reasons16:24
kbringardI'd check the nova-compute.log16:24
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newopenKbringard:http://paste.openstack.org/show/1490/16:28
kbringardI've never seen that error before, but that would definitely be your problem16:29
kbringardmy guess would be you're running on a 32-bit architecture16:30
kbringardbut again, I really don't know16:30
newopenit works before in the same machine16:32
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kbringardwhat size instance are you trying to launch? perhaps you've never launched one with more than 2GB of ram before?16:33
newopentty one16:34
newopeni used the same before!!16:34
kbringardhttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=58137616:34
kbringardthat looks like your problem, but again, I've never seen that error before, so I'm not really sure16:34
kbringardbut, your problem appears to be in libvirt16:35
kbringardno idea why it worked before and not now though :-/16:35
kbringardtry your launch command with -t m1.tiny16:36
kbringardthe m1.small instance type which is default allocates 2048MB of RAM16:37
kbringardso, I'm reading this page: http://wiki.openstack.org/XenServerDevelopment16:39
kbringardI assume it relies on you having a working XenServer install already?16:39
kbringardlike, a Xen kernel on your dom0 and stuff?16:39
kbringardbecause it doesn't mention anything about getting all that installed16:39
kbringardor perhaps a better question would be: is there a good document on getting OpenStack running using Xen as they hypervisor?16:40
kbringards/they/the/16:40
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newopeni use -t m1.tiny to do it16:48
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WormManmy boss here wants to try Xen with openstack as well. I'm finding it's rather twisty... I've not even gotten to openstack yet. Ubuntu 11.04 libvirt wants the xen3 stuff, and we want xen4. So I have some dependencies to work around first16:57
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kbringardnewopen: if -t my.1tiny worked, then that means you're probably running a 32bit architecture with a 2GB memory limit16:57
kbringardWormMan: yea, thats what I'm finding as well16:58
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kd926which component of open stack generates the call to qemu?17:25
ccookenova-compute17:27
OpenWebHello guys, i have a question. I ‘m setting up nova installation using glance. And I configured glance to store images on swift. I had installed swift on a single node using the SAIO instructions. But I can’t  upload new images   ( image stat = uploading and size =0). I guess it’s because swift answers to all the requests using the loopback address. So how can I change the swift17:30
OpenWebconfiguration to use eth017:30
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mgiusOpenWeb: in /etc/swift/proxy-server.conf, if you change default_swift_cluster to the IP address of the SAIO host, that will allow external connections to work17:45
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mgiusor rather, local#http://IPADDRESS:PORT/v117:46
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imsplitbitI wish I had venv for the impatient.  "Would you like to create one? <Y> BAM DONE!"18:09
blamarimsplitbit: just copy it from another branch you have checked out, if you know nothing has changed. I have a common one I used: ln -s ../.nova-venv .nova-venv18:12
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imsplitbitomg... I am teh stupid18:12
imsplitbitnow to go find one18:12
imsplitbitI think I deleted my last branch so that may not do me any good18:13
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blamarfor the future then :)18:13
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zulwhere is the swift packaging branch?18:19
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drewlanderi have a compute node that is giving a "HTTP_ACCEPT KEY_ERROR" whenever I attempt to start an instance on it.18:24
drewlanderhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/1492/18:24
blamarzul: The ubuntu package branch is here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/swift if that's what you're looking for18:24
drewlanderany idea what would cause that? i am using glance as as backend18:24
drewlanderthe compute node is also hyper-v18:25
vishydrewlander: I would suspect the wrong version of a library18:28
vishyperhaps webob?18:28
drewlanderhmm ok18:29
drewlanderill take a look18:30
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kbringardvishy: KVM can only do virtio at this point, yea?18:53
vishyvirtio block yes18:53
kbringardokie, cool18:54
vishyi would like to add metadata to images to allow for overriding such a thing18:54
vishyfor block and net18:54
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kbringardwhat's the status of XenServer? I found a doc about it from not too long ago, but it's not super clear about how to get it setup and working18:56
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jatsrtcloudpipe question19:01
jatsrtkbrigard: still playing with cloudpipe19:02
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jatsrtit is not generating the nova-vpn.conf on my host19:02
jatsrtthough I did just rebuild everything19:02
jatsrtso wondering if a bug or I missed something19:02
jatsrtpulling in the payload and starting the server no problem19:02
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vishyjatsrt: the conf is generated vi nova-manage project zipfile...19:28
vishyare you saying it is not in the zip?19:28
jatsrthmmm, maybe I was confused then.  I will double check, that may have been it since I just purged all my projects and started fresh19:29
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jatsrtok just reran it and it is there no, PEBCAK19:30
jatsrts/no/now19:30
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drewlandervishy: I am running webob 1.0.7 on both the compute and api node. it looks like whenever a request is made to get the image, there is an internal server error.19:46
drewlanderhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/1494/19:46
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vishydrewlander: hmm.  Do you have the same version of glance on both?19:47
drewlanderprob not. i did a bzr checkout on the hyperv node, and an install via apt on the api node19:48
drewlanderill update the version on the api node19:48
vishyah yes that might explain it19:48
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drewlandervishy: nope, that did not change. still getting the key error with the same checkout of glance19:53
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drewlanderthe images are public, i don't need to specify any kind of key on the compute node do i?19:54
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vishyshouldn't need to.20:03
vishyif you run compute on your api host, can it retrieve images properly?20:03
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drewlanderim not running compute on the api host.20:04
drewlanderhowever the glance command tools seem to retreive information just fine, and going to the url of the glance server, i see the metadata for my images20:04
drewlanderi guess i could run a compute node on the api host, i was just hoping to not do that, as I want all my nodes to be hyperv and not have to worry about separating hyperv/libvirt compute nodes :p20:05
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vishyyeah i was just thinking for debugging purposes20:07
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drewlanderi can do that.20:07
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kbringardvishy: is there a recommended configuration for running OpenStack with XenServer?20:16
kbringardUbuntu seems to be the best Operating System choice for OpenStack, but Xen isn't very well supported in it20:16
kbringardI think 3.3 is the newest version in the repos, and those have a broken xen-tools dependency, so you can't install them anyway20:17
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kbringardbtorch: I came across your zeroaccess blog where you outline it a little bit... what's your experience?20:19
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btorchkbringard: unfortunately I haven't had much time to play with nova/Xen.org for a while now. Never really got to setup the CC to talk to the xen host.20:24
kbringardah so, cool, thanks for the feedback20:25
btorchI want to go back to play with nova but kind of stuck on ipv6 now :(20:25
kbringardhttp://hightechsorcery.com/2011/05/xen-4-0-and-4-1-packages-for-ubuntu-and-debian/20:26
kbringardwonder if this will be helpful20:26
WormManooo, with a libvirt20:28
kbringardproblem is, the nova stuff installex libxen3, which conflicts with the xen4.1 package on there20:28
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kbringardI wonder though, if whatever comes in the deb will work in it's stead, if I just remove it with nodeps20:29
btorchkbringard: yeah ... my next step was going to use a box for  Xen.org host by itself and then use a separate one for the nova stuff20:29
kbringardyea... maybe I just need to blast this machine and start with just xen20:30
kbringarddoesn't the libvirt that comes with nova have some custom patches applied?20:30
btorchkbringard: the other issue I remember was trying to figure out what xen api url to use with nova...20:31
jatsrtkbringard: I have to aks, why Xen over KVM?20:31
jatsrtor even ask20:31
kbringardwell, I have it running with KVM20:31
kbringardbut, it has some limitations20:31
kbringardlike, when you assign an EBS volume, it ignores a defined block device and just assigns it to the next available one20:32
kbringardand, currently because OpenStack relies on virtio with KVM, you can't run KVM fully virtualized20:32
kbringard(which is why I was asking vishy about it earlier)20:32
jatsrtmakes sense20:33
kbringardbut I have some images that are provided by a vendor that can't use paravirtualization20:33
kbringardbut they claim to support Xen20:33
kbringardso, for all of those reasons20:33
kbringardplus20:33
kbringardwhen people ask me "Why'd you choose X hypervisor"20:33
kbringardI want to have a better answer than "Well, it's what was default and it worked"20:33
kbringardhehe20:33
jatsrt"because I tried them all"20:34
kbringardzactly20:34
kbringardso at this point I'm just testing the waters with Xen20:34
kbringardor, trying to, I should say20:34
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kbringardthe biggest problem is, OpenStack seems to work best on Ubuntu, but Ubuntu has little to no Xen support20:34
jatsrtyep, they have put all their efforts into kvm20:35
kbringardeven the xen packages that are included in 10.10 (3.3) have broken deps (xen-tools) and won't install20:35
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sorenXen support is coming back in Oneiric (11.10).20:42
kbringardsoren: that's good news20:42
sorenI added Xen-hypervisor-4.1 on Friday.20:42
kbringardhawt dog20:43
sorenIt works well.20:43
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dubsquared:o20:43
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kbringardsoren: so... if I were to add the Oneiric repo to my Maverick install... how much would that break?20:43
sorenkbringard: Don't.20:43
kbringardhaha20:44
kbringardI figured :-D20:44
sorenkbringard: What do you mean by "can't run KVM fully virtualized"?20:44
kbringardwell, can't run without virtio20:44
kbringardwhich I was under the impression was considered para-virt20:44
sorenWEll, "relies on" is hardly accurate. Just change the template and you're done.20:44
kbringardhmmm20:45
sorenNo more virtio.20:45
* kbringard facepalms20:45
soren?20:45
sorenOr not.20:45
kbringardhaha, no no20:45
kbringardI'm facepalming that I didn't think of it20:45
sorenAh.20:45
kbringardI did all this crazy ninja stuff to try to get these images to load virtio drivers20:45
kbringardand I didn't think to change the damn libvirt template20:46
kbringardit's been one of those days20:46
kbringardthanks soren20:46
sorenSure.20:46
kbringardyou probably just saved me a ton of time20:46
kbringardhaha20:46
j05hkbringard: you've been ninja'd20:46
kbringardyes I have20:47
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kbringardsoren: since I have you... any idea what that'll do to the performance of my VMs?20:47
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sorenkbringard: Hardly anything.20:47
kbringardah so20:48
kbringardI shall go do this right now20:48
kbringardthanks again20:48
sorenUnless you've got very expensive fibre channel backed storage or whatnot, block I/O emulation isn't your bottleneck.20:48
kbringardheh, naw20:48
sorenbbiab20:49
jatsrtsoren: great tip20:49
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primeministerp1greetings programs20:53
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uvirtbotNew bug: #790900 in nova "Add SSL support for RabbitMQ Communication" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79090021:06
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devaHi.. I  am installing openstack in RHEL6.1 and facing the problem of not able to connect to VM instance. I figured it out that iptables is culprit.As I disable it, I can connect ot VM instance .I need to describe my setup.I am installing single node openstack setup with eth2 as my external interface and br100 is connected to eth0 interface.I am using flatDHCP networking.21:48
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devaThese are the IP rules I nees to comment out to make that work. -A INPUT -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-prohibited21:49
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devaPlease let me know if anyone faced similar problem and what might be the probable reason for this21:50
devalemme know Thanks for your time21:50
vishydeva: i haven't seen this problem21:51
vishywhere are you connecting from?21:51
devaFrom host machine to VM instance.I can  see the VM instance is sending DHCP request and no reply is sent back to it.21:52
devaIf remove that rule and restart the firewall, it works though21:52
devaDid u install openstack in RHEL?21:53
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vishydeva: no, but it has been done21:56
vishydeva: so the dhcp reply from nova-network doesn't make it back?21:57
vishyfwiw on a single node you don't need to bridge br100 into eth021:57
vishyi don't really comprehend why that rule would be stopping dhcp replies21:58
devavishy: ok, if You have any idea, can you tell me how might the firewall blocking the DHCP request and reply message. Ok but will it harm if br0-->eth021:58
vishythe only thing that i have seen doing that is ip address conflicts21:59
devavishy:ok22:00
vishyseems odd that that rule would have any bearing on dhcp22:00
vishydhcp goes out the broadcast address22:00
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devcamcarvishy: got distracted during last part of meeting - i proposed dashboard become an official project.  any idea when the process for that will be figured out?22:03
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dubsquareddevcamcar:  i think that is discussed in the PPB meeting, different than the openstack team meeting.22:09
dubsquaredi could have some wires crossed though, just throwing that out there in case it's right :D22:10
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devavishy:you are rt. DHCP request is a broadcast message, but reply isn't . If you have any idea, can you tell me in flatDHCP mode what all the IP rules, that involve in forwarding the DHCP reply message to VM instance22:10
vishydevcamcar: it is on the agenda for the ppb meeting right?22:11
devcamcarvishy: yes, just checking in on when that is22:11
vishythursday22:12
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vishydeva: the only time i've had dhcp messages failing is when br100 gets ips in the wrong order22:13
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vishybecause there is a special exception to allow dhcp traffic and it has to come from the right ip22:14
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devavishy:can you explain what does it mean br100 gets ips in wrong order22:15
vishybr100 ends up with multiple ips in flatdhcp mode22:15
vishyit gets the ip that was originally on eth0 and the ip address for the dhcp server (usually 10.0.0.122:16
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vishyif those ips are in the wrong order, or if there is a conflict between the vm ips and the host ips22:16
vishyi have seen dhcp fail22:16
vishythis is all assuming that it isn't a rhel specific problem22:17
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devaok , I dont have such problem as eth0 isn't having any IP address at all. hope its not a RHEL6.1 issue22:17
vishywhat ip is on br100?22:18
vishyand what ip is on eth2?22:18
devabr100 -10.3.1.1 and eth2 10.0.1.3.22:19
kbringardhey Vish, while you're here... I'm looking to remove the virtio stuff from the libvirt.xml.template for the block I/O... should I just change the set to say scsi instead?22:19
kbringardjust like does for Xen, and still leave the prefix as vd22:19
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vishydeva: that sounds troublesome, you are using the 10.x range for both22:20
vishydeva: it is probably snatting that is causing problems22:20
deva-A nova-network-snat -s 10.0.0.0/8 -j SNAT --to-source 10.0.0.1 , its causing failing to get connected to external network as u can see 10.0.1.3 is my external IP22:20
vishywhat is the value of --fixed_range?22:20
devaaddress22:20
deva10.3.1.0/2422:20
vishyso you need to set --my_ip=10.0.1.322:20
vishy--fixed_range=10.3.1.022:21
vishyer --fixed_range=10.3.1.0/2422:21
devaI didnt set --my_ip=10.0.1.3 manually script did it .22:21
vishyand flush iptables rules (including nat rules)22:21
vishyyes you should though22:22
devaSorry I didnt get you22:22
vishyset both of those22:22
vishyin your flagfile22:22
devaYou want me to flush the ip rules22:22
vishythen flush all iptables rules22:22
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vishyand restart nova-network22:22
deva--fixed_range=10.3.1.0/24 --my_ip=10.0.1.3 these both contain those values already.22:23
devau want me to still restart22:23
devaplease explain22:24
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deva@vishy u der22:26
larissadeva: Error: "vishy" is not a valid command.22:26
vishyyou're snatting rule is wrong22:27
vishyso perhaps it is an old rule from a previous run?22:27
devais it .?. how to make this work.can you lemme know when does rules change and where will be they stored in /etc/sysconfig/iptables or /etc/sysconfig/iptables.save22:28
devain my host machine, I got rules in both these files22:29
devaSorry this rule is -A nova-network-snat -s 10.0.0.0/8 -j SNAT --to-source 10.3.1.122:29
devaeventhen its wrong22:30
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devavishy : u still there22:37
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vishyneither22:38
vishythey are not saved22:38
vishyand that rule is wrong22:38
devaif you know, please lemme know when does modifying IP rules occurs. and which files are accessed. like iptables.save or iptables22:40
devashould those both files contain same rules.?22:40
vishydon't look in the files22:41
vishylook at the actual active rules22:41
vishyiptables -L -n -v or iptables -S22:41
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devaI need to as the output needs to be consistent after reboots. As I already said I am unable to connect the external network due to this rule -A nova-network-snat -s 10.0.0.0/8 -j SNAT --to-source 10.3.1.1 in iptables file.But in iptables.save this is -A nova-network-snat -s 10.0.0.0/8 -j SNAT --to-source 10.0.1.3.22:45
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devaI donno why they are different , when rebooted, rules from iptables.save are taken and I can ping to external network but not to VM instance.22:46
vishysigh22:47
vishyboth of those rules are wrong22:47
vishyflush the tables, then restart22:48
vishynova-network22:48
vishythen you can manually save them22:48
vishy10.0.0.0/8 should be whatever --fixed_range is set to22:48
devayou are saying in my case as --fixed-range=10.3.1.1/24 , so rule should be -A nova-network-snat -s 10.3.1.0/24 -j SNAT --to-source 10.0.1.322:50
devaplease confirm22:50
vishyyes22:50
vishybut i'm also saying that nova-network should create that rule when it starts22:51
vishyso if it isn't there is something wrong22:51
kbringardsoren: that worked great, thanks!22:51
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devain flatDHCP mode is it necessary that br100 should be created manually. and Ip be assigned to it. I am not doing that manually. when VM instance is created, nova-network is doing that for me.Hope thatz not the problem22:53
vishyno22:57
vishythat is wrong22:57
vishybr100 only needs to be created manually in flat mode22:57
devaok . then I guess what I did is right then.. not creating br100 manually in flatDHCP mode. donno what is causing problem for nova-network not able to update firewall rules appropriately23:00
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fltburgerhi all23:19
fltburgeranyone know the nova and swift 's slide23:19
fltburgerso i can use for community program of openstack, i just started openstack-id community23:20
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