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| MarkusWPHRorg_ | Good Evening All | 07:43 |
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| Razique | Hi MarkusWPHRorg | 07:49 |
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| xxtjaxx | Hi Razique Hi MarkusWPHRorg_ Can you tell me how I can kill an instance from scheduling? Or check on what it does during the scheduling? | 08:04 |
| MarkusWPHRorg_ | that's a cool question | 08:05 |
| MarkusWPHRorg_ | No idea - I'm still trying to get networking to work right | 08:05 |
| Razique | xxtjaxx: what do you mean by "scheduling" ? | 08:05 |
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| xxtjaxx | The status scheduling when you run euca-describe-instances | 08:07 |
| xxtjaxx | MarkusWPHRorg_: I don't even have any systems running it just doesn't work for me | 08:07 |
| xxtjaxx | Razique: The status "scheduling" when executing euca-describe-instance | 08:08 |
| Razique | xxtjaxx: ah | 08:08 |
| Razique | you can run euca-terminate-instance, it should wor :) | 08:09 |
| Razique | work | 08:09 |
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| xxtjaxx | Razique: ah nice worked thx! | 08:16 |
| Razique | :) | 08:18 |
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| xxtjaxx | I run this `euca-delete-bundle -m somebucket/ramdisk.manifest.xml --bucket somebucket` I know it exists like that yet it doesn't do it. WHy? | 08:25 |
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| xxtjaxx | Razique: MarkusWPHRorg_ ^ | 08:27 |
| Razique | xxtjaxx this is not the right syntax | 08:28 |
| xxtjaxx | What is the right syntax then? | 08:29 |
| Razique | you have to do euca-delete-bundle -b $bundle_name -p file (not xml) | 08:29 |
| xxtjaxx | aha | 08:29 |
| xxtjaxx | and how do I delete images? | 08:29 |
| Razique | for instance : | 08:29 |
| Razique | IMAGEami-00000020templates/debian.5-0.x86-64.img.manifest.xml available public x86_64 machine aki-0000001e ari-0000001f => euca-delete-bundle -b templates -p debian.5-0.x86-64.img | 08:31 |
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| xxtjaxx | can I delete entire buckets? I get sick of this fiddly things | 08:46 |
| MarkusWPHRorg_ | xxtjaxx: I feel your pain | 08:49 |
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| MarkusWPHRorg_ | Like what exactly constitutes a "bucket" and how is that differentiated/connected with a "project" | 08:51 |
| xxtjaxx | I'd love to just take the "aki-0fdea915" identifier number or what ever it is which is quite clearly unique per bundle and just deep fry he image in where I ant to | 08:51 |
| MarkusWPHRorg_ | besides the obvious of a bucket being an object container of sorts | 08:51 |
| xxtjaxx | MarkusWPHRorg_: doesn't mean you can't recursively delete a container can you? | 08:52 |
| xxtjaxx | Gut the head and the rest SHALL follow | 08:52 |
| MarkusWPHRorg_ | xxtjaxx: | 08:52 |
| xxtjaxx | Yes | 08:53 |
| MarkusWPHRorg_ | xxtjaxx: That's a great question. What exactly constitutes the container in question though | 08:53 |
| xxtjaxx | MarkusWPHRorg_: I do not know | 08:53 |
| MarkusWPHRorg_ | is it just some data in a physical location on a hard drive, mysql database entries, or a combination? | 08:54 |
| MarkusWPHRorg_ | bad word choice. Physical location is immaterial. | 08:56 |
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| MarkusWPHRorg_ | Is a bucket/container a file, directory, or other stored on the filesystem? | 08:57 |
| xxtjaxx | MarkusWPHRorg_: var/lib/nova/buckets hmm | 08:57 |
| MarkusWPHRorg_ | Are you using swift? | 08:57 |
| MarkusWPHRorg_ | Yeah like that | 08:57 |
| xxtjaxx | noca | 08:58 |
| xxtjaxx | eh nova | 08:58 |
| xxtjaxx | I just want some boxes up and running. I mean when you use VSphere you don't *care* you just pull your boxes as you go along | 08:59 |
| MarkusWPHRorg_ | I've never used euca-delete-bundle before - is there a "euca-describe-bundles" or something along those lines? | 09:00 |
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| MarkusWPHRorg_ | Stupid(ish) question: What's a bundle(in this context)? | 09:01 |
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| MarkusWPHRorg_ | [Remember, there are no stupid questions, only stupid people." --Mr Garrison] | 09:01 |
| xxtjaxx | Goddammit I want a vSphere -.- | 09:02 |
| MarkusWPHRorg_ | vSphere? | 09:02 |
| MarkusWPHRorg_ | wow, the dumbschitt is with me tonight | 09:03 |
| MarkusWPHRorg_ | wow, the dumbschitt is strong with me tonight | 09:03 |
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| MarkusWPHRorg_ | Oh I see - it's another hypervisor | 09:05 |
| MarkusWPHRorg_ | so why is that better than KVM? | 09:05 |
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| MarkusWPHRorg_ | (honest question) | 09:06 |
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| xxtjaxx | MarkusWPHRorg_: vSphere works. It's made by a company, its compatible with VMWare ESX. It's doing a whoooole lot of maging with esx kvm or libvirt or qemu or xen or what ever can dream od | 09:08 |
| xxtjaxx | *of | 09:08 |
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| MarkusWPHRorg_ | xxtjaxx: isn't vSphere a VMware(EMC) product? | 09:20 |
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| xxtjaxx | MarkusWPHRorg_: thats what i said :) | 09:21 |
| xxtjaxx | http://www.vmware.com/products/vsphere/overview.html | 09:22 |
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| MarkusWPHRorg_ | I love vmware - but what can it do that you can't do with KVM? | 09:27 |
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| Razique | xxtjaxx: in order to totally delete a bucket : euca-delete-bundle -b $bundle_name --clear | 09:53 |
| Razique | do not forget to do an euca-deregister $object_id before or after | 09:53 |
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| Razique | otherwise euca-describe instances will still returns non-existent objects | 09:53 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #799666 in nova "JSON failure when try to create instance" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/799666 | 10:11 |
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| thickskin | hi guys | 10:12 |
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| thickskin | if I described like this "--flat_interface=eth1" of nova.conf, is it ok describe this /etc/network/interfaces "auth eth1"? | 10:15 |
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| xxtjaxx | Oh if there is any developer monitoring this thread please fix your conf file syntax. even openvpn did a better job at the conf and they do the same in the configs as on commandline | 10:50 |
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| nelson____ | xxtjaxx: what do you mean by "fix"? | 12:30 |
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| xxtjaxx | nelson____: Normally conf files do not need the extra clobber of the double-dash why is it necessary in this case? | 12:31 |
| nelson____ | sorry, I'm still not following you. | 12:32 |
| xxtjaxx | even a very simple parsing method regexing out lines matching (^#|^\ *#|^$|^\ *$) or the like should be sufficient | 12:33 |
| nelson____ | xxtjaxx: could you explain the problem, and not your solution? | 12:34 |
| xxtjaxx | nelson____: I just don't like writing it like --$FLAGfoo --flagbar | 12:34 |
| xxtjaxx | _in_ a configuration file | 12:34 |
| nelson____ | xxtjaxx: are you talking about Nova or Swift? | 12:35 |
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| xxtjaxx | nova config files. I don't know if its the same there but your parser in swift is based on python-gflags there as well isn't it? | 12:36 |
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| xxtjaxx | nelson____: btw I get this from a nova-manage db sync http://pastebin.com/KhsQWtt9 Where is this coming from? | 12:43 |
| nelson____ | ahhhhh! I've not used Nova, so I can't address your concerns. | 12:44 |
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| xxtjaxx | nelson____: How different is swift from nova? Or what is nova for that swift isnt for? | 12:45 |
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| xxtjaxx | or vice-versa | 12:45 |
| erhangundogan | hi | 12:46 |
| xxtjaxx | The ultimate goal (for me ) is just to have a simple manageable test clowd (or particle of it) in which I can run a few systems,clone and move them not a craze network setup with a bunch of configs just an eval | 12:47 |
| nelson____ | xxtjaxx: Nova == compute farm. Swift == object store. | 12:47 |
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| xxtjaxx | nelson____: so none of the 2 is what I want I c | 12:47 |
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| nelson____ | perhaps nova can do what you want. I don't particularly know. | 12:48 |
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| xxtjaxx | nelson____: Well what I want is just a vsphere basically ^^ | 12:49 |
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| reidrac | xxtjaxx: but you don't want to pay the license fee, do you? ;) | 12:50 |
| xxtjaxx | (I would be happy to. There are just forces making me do it) | 12:51 |
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| xxtjaxx | #JustAnIntern | 12:52 |
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| erhan | hello | 12:55 |
| erhan | OpenStack is suitable for Saas? | 12:55 |
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| erhan | i mean is there any implementation of Saas layer on OpenStack cloud? | 12:56 |
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| doude | jaypipes: Hi Jay, are you there ? | 12:57 |
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| xxtjaxx | doude: you are a developer? | 13:02 |
| xxtjaxx | reidrac: so basically what I want is this: A few boxes with a hypervisor each. (I do not want to care which) I just want a means to manage it. | 13:04 |
| xxtjaxx | reidrac: and setup instances of guest systems | 13:04 |
| doude | xxtjaxx: no I'm not | 13:07 |
| xxtjaxx | doude: okay | 13:08 |
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| jaypipes | doude: yep | 13:16 |
| erhan | is there any implementation or on going work of Saas layer on OpenStack cloud deployment? | 13:16 |
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| jaypipes | xxtjaxx: did you have a question I can help answer? | 13:24 |
| xxtjaxx | jaypipes: If you are a Nova guy then yes | 13:25 |
| jaypipes | xxtjaxx: I'll try my best :) | 13:26 |
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| xxtjaxx | http://pastebin.com/cUnDTZ65 << I go this after an attempted first nova-manage db sync who what and why? | 13:28 |
| jaypipes | xxtjaxx: looking... | 13:28 |
| jaypipes | xxtjaxx: looks like you don't have your MySQL user/pass correct... | 13:30 |
| xxtjaxx | Do I have to do that in the config? | 13:30 |
| doude | jaypipes: how are you ? Can you continue to help me about my Glance problem ? | 13:31 |
| jaypipes | doude: I can | 13:31 |
| jaypipes | xxtjaxx: yes. look for sql_connection setting. | 13:31 |
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| xxtjaxx | jaypipes: I c/p'd that mysql://root:nova@127.0.0.1/nova to my config whats what there? | 13:32 |
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| doude | jaypipes: to resume: when I upload a file to glance with command 'glance add' of 'glance upload' all seem to be ok, but the file is empty on Glance. You ask me to test this code: http://paste.openstack.org/show/1696/ in client.py, but now the file isn't uploaded and I get this error: http://paste.openstack.org/show/1697/ | 13:36 |
| jaypipes | doude, xxtjaxx: one sec, on phone... | 13:36 |
| doude | jaypipes: I checked through tcpdump, befor changed the code of 'client.py' the file is uploaded and I can see logs in Glance : http://paste.openstack.org/show/1698/ | 13:39 |
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| doude | jaypipes: I use this versions: http://paste.openstack.org/show/1699/ | 13:41 |
| jaypipes | doude, xxtjaxx: ok, sorry, back now. | 13:41 |
| doude | jaypipes: no problem | 13:42 |
| jaypipes | xxtjaxx: ok, you first... have you tried logging into your MySQL box on localhost to verify root:nova password works to connect to nova database? | 13:42 |
| xxtjaxx | wait I could do root solemnly instead of root:nova too right? because I can't remember setting up a mysql user fpr nova | 13:43 |
| jaypipes | xxtjaxx: hehe, yes, then you need to figure out the root password :) | 13:44 |
| jaypipes | xxtjaxx: or blank if you never set it... | 13:44 |
| jaypipes | doude: looking at the logs now... | 13:44 |
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| xxtjaxx | jaypipes: well its all on one box so no issue hier | 13:44 |
| jaypipes | xxtjaxx: no, the root mysql user != root system user. | 13:45 |
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| bonzay | hi there | 13:47 |
| jaypipes | doude: OK, so is there any way you can remove the webob 1.0.7 version and try with 0.9.8? | 13:47 |
| bonzay | a short question: is it possible to install nova on a citrix xen-server installation or do I need to install my "own" xen-server, e.g. on ubuntu | 13:48 |
| doude | jaypipes: I can try. I need to disable your patch ? | 13:48 |
| jaypipes | doude: one way to do that would be to apt-get remove python-webob, then try installing it manually from a tarball: easy_install webob==0.9.8 | 13:49 |
| jaypipes | doude: yes, you can comment out my patch. | 13:49 |
| xxtjaxx | jaypipes: I lack an incentive to care about security with this box so how do I tell mysql to ignore root password and just do what its supposed to | 13:49 |
| jaypipes | doude: though you will be replacing webob, so no need :) | 13:49 |
| jaypipes | xxtjaxx: if you do this: | 13:49 |
| jaypipes | mysql -uroot | 13:49 |
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| jaypipes | xxtjaxx: do you get a mysql prompt?> | 13:49 |
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| xxtjaxx | jaypipes: nope. But thats my question. How do I tell mysql to not care about passwords | 13:50 |
| jaypipes | xxtjaxx: that's not possible. you will need to reset the mysql root password. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html#resetting-permissions-unix | 13:51 |
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| xxtjaxx | jaypipes: k my password still works so at best I just create some user named nova and "chown" it the tables for nova | 13:52 |
| jaypipes | doude: to give you some background, I believe we are running into this known issue: https://bitbucket.org/ianb/webob/issue/12/fix-for-issue-6-broke-chunked-transfer | 13:52 |
| jaypipes | xxtjaxx: you don't chown tables for a mysql user. you need to GRANT *.* ON nova.* TO 'root'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'yourpassword'; | 13:53 |
| jaypipes | xxtjaxx: you need to execute that from the mysql prompt... | 13:54 |
| jaypipes | xxtjaxx: unless root already has permissions to the nova database (likely) | 13:54 |
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| Nagaraju | Hi All | 14:00 |
| Nagaraju | Happy to be part of openstack | 14:00 |
| Nagaraju | recently started openstack deployment in my labs | 14:00 |
| Nagaraju | i have few doubt regarding openstack | 14:01 |
| Nagaraju | i could able to integrate vmware ESXi with nova compute | 14:02 |
| Nagaraju | but unable to create an instance | 14:02 |
| Nagaraju | but finally i could able publish -flat.vmdk by using glance but it has created a VM in ESXi with blank disk | 14:03 |
| Nagaraju | could anyone please help me in this regard | 14:03 |
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| doude | jaypipes: problem, paquage Glance depends on python-webob | 14:08 |
| jaypipes | doude: hmm... | 14:09 |
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| doude | jaypipes: http://paste.openstack.org/show/1700/ | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | soren: around? | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | doude: lemme ask soren his advice on how to test this... | 14:11 |
| doude | jaypipes: Yes, stange. It's not list in depends but I cannot remove it without other nova/glance packages | 14:12 |
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| jaypipes | doude: it's a dependency in the glance packaging (and nova, fwiw). problem is, we want to test things with a specific version of webob not in the PPA.. | 14:12 |
| doude | jaypipes: ok | 14:13 |
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| soren | jaypipes: whuh? | 14:27 |
| soren | jaypipes: Internet here is very, very spotty, so I may just disappear. | 14:27 |
| soren | jaypipes: What's the problem? It looks to act as intended. | 14:28 |
| soren | jaypipes: If you remove something's dependency, it can't function and thus will be removed. | 14:28 |
| jaypipes | soren: yes, I know. I'm trying to figure out a way to test if webob 1.0.7 is the culprint for doude's issues, and if he uninstalls webob 1.0.7 via apt-get remove, that removes dependent stuff like glance.. | 14:29 |
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| doude | jaypipes: Ok I downgrade to webob 0.9.7 and it works again. Why my version of webob is to recently ? I use ubuntu 10.04.2, it should be the version 0.9.7 ? | 14:30 |
| soren | doude: You got webob 1.0.7 from the PPA. | 14:31 |
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| soren | (presumably) | 14:31 |
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| soren | I backported webob 1.0.7 to lucid last week. | 14:32 |
| doude | soren: which PPA ? Nova and Glance ? | 14:32 |
| soren | Maverick and Natty are next. | 14:32 |
| soren | I think so. | 14:32 |
| soren | Le tme check. | 14:32 |
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| soren | Yes, nova and glance. | 14:32 |
| soren | ...and swift for that matter. | 14:33 |
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| soren | What's the problem, exactly? | 14:33 |
| doude | soren: ok, thanks | 14:33 |
| doude | jaypipes: and thanks you to. Can I ask you another question? | 14:33 |
| jaypipes | doude: of course. | 14:34 |
| doude | jaypipes: About Glance architecture, what's exactly the travel of file between Nova <-> Glance <-> Swift when Nova fetch or put it ? | 14:35 |
| doude | jaypipes: fetch : Glance download file from Swift; and Nova download it from Glance ? | 14:35 |
| jaypipes | doude: Nova uses Glance via both the Glance python client (inside Nova's /nova/api/openstack/images controller, via the straight REST API (in the xen plugin to do snapshots) and in the EC2 API controller. | 14:36 |
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| jaypipes | doude: Nova does not interact directly with Swift at all. Glance does all that. | 14:36 |
| doude | jaypipes: so actually, the file is dowloading or uploaded two times ? | 14:37 |
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| soren | jaypipes, doude: Not knowing your webob problem (is there a pastebin I missed?) I have to mention there's an off chance there's a packaging problem involved here. I kinda doubt it, but I won't rule it out. | 14:37 |
| jaypipes | doude: no. only once. Nova passes Glance a file descriptor for the image file to upload, and Glance passes that along to Swift after storing metadata about the image. | 14:38 |
| jaypipes | soren: looks like webob 1.0.7 is buggy. | 14:38 |
| huslage | does Swift store EBS volumes for Nova? | 14:38 |
| jaypipes | soren: we need to remove it from the PPA. | 14:38 |
| huslage | no i think not | 14:38 |
| jaypipes | huslage: no. | 14:39 |
| soren | jaypipes: No can do. | 14:39 |
| soren | jaypipes: And it won't help. | 14:39 |
| jaypipes | soren: crap... | 14:39 |
| jaypipes | soren: why not? | 14:39 |
| huslage | jaypipes: so volumes need to live on some other shared storage? | 14:39 |
| huslage | gluster or something? | 14:39 |
| doude | jaypipes: but how Glance can get the file to upload it to Swift ? | 14:39 |
| soren | jaypipes: Because it's out. We have to assume that *everyone* has upgraded and is running hte new stuff. Removing it frm the PPA won't remove it from their systems. | 14:39 |
| jaypipes | huslage: yes. for right now... there is a separate Volume as a Service project (called LunR) that is spinning up that should add more options in the long term/ | 14:40 |
| CatKiller | Hi, I have a quick Nova question: Seemingly, you can only allocate a single volume group with a specific name to a "Nova Compute" node or host. That means that every VM started on that Compute Node will take storage from this particular volume group. Would it be possible to associate a single Nova Compute Node host with multiple volume groups (multiple block devices with a VG on each) instead of a single one? | 14:40 |
| jaypipes | soren: ah, crap... you're right. | 14:40 |
| jaypipes | soren: OK, back to square one on this... | 14:40 |
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| soren | jaI'm lying, actually. I *can* delete it, but I'm no tgoing to, because it won't help and it'll just cause more confusion (people being unable to find out where the heck this odd 1.0.7 webob the yhave came from) | 14:40 |
| soren | Sorry for very poor typing, I'm on very, very laggy internet here. | 14:41 |
| soren | ...and I'm IRC'in over SSH. I should reconsider that setup, thouugh. | 14:41 |
| jaypipes | soren: no worries mate | 14:42 |
| soren | jaypipes: I can upload a 1.0.7+really0.9.7 thing to the PPA, but I still wonder if it won't be easier to just fix the problem (which I still don't know what is). | 14:42 |
| jaypipes | soren: https://bitbucket.org/ianb/webob/issue/12/fix-for-issue-6-broke-chunked-transfer | 14:43 |
| jaypipes | soren: is the issue. But... the solution doesn't work apparently. :( | 14:43 |
| soren | jaypipes: The solution is supposed to be in 1.0.7? | 14:43 |
| soren | Or is "the solution" something you did on the library consumer side? | 14:44 |
| jaypipes | soren: the "solution" was supposed to be the fix from that issue... but it doesn't seem to have either a) gone into 1.0.7 or b) if it did, work as expected... | 14:45 |
| soren | Can you check if it went into 1.0.7? | 14:46 |
| jaypipes | soren: chunked transfer was broken in webob 1.0.2, but since nobody was using that version until recently, nobody on OpenStack noticed. The Swift folks (gholt) noticed it, then I did when trying to get the S3 adapter working... | 14:46 |
| jaypipes | soren: yeah, one sec. | 14:46 |
| huslage | what is the state of the Dashboard project these days? is it still progressing? | 14:46 |
| soren | If it didn't, I can shove the patch nto the ppa. | 14:46 |
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| soren | jaypipes: It's not in 1.0.7, AFAICS. | 14:48 |
| jaypipes | soren: yeah, I can't see it. | 14:48 |
| soren | jaypipes: https://bitbucket.org/ianb/webob/changesets concurs | 14:49 |
| jaypipes | soren: I can't tell from bitbucket's https://bitbucket.org/ianb/webob/overview what tagged version a commit went into (same with github, fwiw) | 14:49 |
| jaypipes | soren: ah, I see it now.. | 14:49 |
| doude | jaypipes: sorry to insist, but I don't understand. If Nova works on host A, Glance on host B and Swift proxy on host C. When a user starts an instance, the image must transits through Glance host B ? | 14:49 |
| soren | jaypipes: Not a problem, I'll upload a 1.0.7 with the patch later today. | 14:50 |
| CatKiller | Sorry for asking again, I looked everywhere in the documentation without finding an answer to my question | 14:51 |
| jaypipes | doude: no. well, not necessarily (depends on the version of webob). We do chunked transfer encoded requests, so Glance will receive the first few bytes of the image file from host A and send a file-like object to the host C (via the Swift client) that wraps the chunks of data coming from host A. host B never writes any data other than to network buffers. | 14:51 |
| CatKiller | Is there a way to assign a specific VM to a specific VG within a single compute node? | 14:52 |
| jaypipes | CatKiller: I'd see if vishy is around. Not sure about the answer to that one. | 14:52 |
| CatKiller | as in, is it possible to have 5 VG and 5VM, with each VM taking storage space from a volume spanning the whole VG | 14:52 |
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| CatKiller | jaypipes: Thanks, when does he usually turn up? | 14:53 |
| jaypipes | CatKiller: depends what time zone he's in at the moment ;) | 14:53 |
| jaypipes | CatKiller: (I'm not sure) :) | 14:53 |
| CatKiller | jaypipes: Thanks, I'll keep watching out. | 14:53 |
| jaypipes | CatKiller: you could try kbringard as well, when he gets up (soon, west coast US) | 14:54 |
| CatKiller | jaypipes: In fact I'm pretty sure it's not possible, I'm just trying to get a confirmation before I start digging in the source | 14:54 |
| jaypipes | CatKiller: understood. | 14:54 |
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| CatKiller | jaypipes: Thanks for helping. | 14:54 |
| doude | jaypipes: Ok, and with which version of webob it works ? | 14:55 |
| CatKiller | ? | 14:55 |
| CatKiller | (ignore last "?" entry) | 14:55 |
| jaypipes | doude: 0.9.8 | 14:55 |
| doude | jaypipes: thank you | 14:55 |
| jaypipes | doude: and hopefully 1.0.8 when it comes out.. | 14:56 |
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| jaypipes | doude: I had thought 1.0.7 had the fix, but apparently it did not. | 14:56 |
| doude | jaypipes: yes | 14:56 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #799770 in nova "Old capability used when compute node is down" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/799770 | 14:57 |
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| johnpur | MarkAtwood: nice to see you here! | 15:01 |
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| vishy | CatKiller: no there is no automated way of doing that | 15:13 |
| CatKiller | vishy: Hi! | 15:14 |
| CatKiller | vishy: Thanks for your reply, that's what I thought. Although I am looking at the nova.volume.driver source and the source doesn't seem overly blocking | 15:15 |
| vishy | CatKiller: if you use boot from volume it will do what you are requesting | 15:15 |
| CatKiller | vishy: So maybe we can modify it with some ease to test that. | 15:15 |
| vishy | but all vms will be running off of iscsi exports | 15:15 |
| vishy | the boot from volume code just made it in to trunk | 15:15 |
| CatKiller | vishy: We're trying to get all vms running off iscsi exports actually | 15:15 |
| vishy | CatKiller: ok, in that case, yes you can do it | 15:16 |
| vishy | you can create volumes and use boot from volume | 15:16 |
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| CatKiller | vishy: what does boot from volume mean actually? The VM will always boot from the specified volume and not from the Nova Volume group? | 15:17 |
| vishy | I'm not sure if the boot from volume code supports booting from amis to volume yet, so it might be a little tricky to get your volumes working | 15:17 |
| vishy | CatKiller: are you familiar with ec2? | 15:17 |
| CatKiller | vishy: Unfortunately no | 15:17 |
| CatKiller | vishy: But I'm familiar with storage in general. | 15:17 |
| vishy | so boot from volume means using a nova-volume storage export as the backing for the vm instead of a local disk image | 15:18 |
| CatKiller | vishy: That's pretty much what we are trying to do exactly | 15:19 |
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| CatKiller | vishy: We were going to store that image on a remote location but that wasn't practical | 15:19 |
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| CatKiller | vishy: By the way, when you have a local disk image with Nova, that disk image is a copy of the VM's filesystem? or is it just a snapshot/a copy of the FS without free space? | 15:20 |
| CatKiller | Because it could get quite large over time | 15:21 |
| vishy | it is the vms filesystem | 15:21 |
| vishy | CatKiller: it depends on the format for how it stores free space | 15:21 |
| CatKiller | So if I have a 20GB VM, my image would be 20GB, assuming the User filled its FS to the top? | 15:21 |
| CatKiller | vishy: Let's assume ext4 or NTFS in this case | 15:22 |
| vishy | CatKiller: the guest format doesn't matter | 15:22 |
| CatKiller | the image format then? | 15:22 |
| vishy | CatKiller: kvm uses qcow images which compress free space and grow dynamically. In fact, we use copy on write snapshots by default. | 15:23 |
| vishy | CatKiller: xen uses VDIs which have similar capabilities | 15:23 |
| CatKiller | vishy: I understand then, so you have a few set default images, one that is 10GB, one 20GB, and one 30GB and you "save" the snapshot, or the copy on write for each VM for each default "image"? | 15:24 |
| vishy | basically yeah | 15:24 |
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| vishy | although it isn't really set default images of different sizes | 15:25 |
| vishy | well there are two drives when you boot | 15:25 |
| Razique | Hi all, when I format the disk attached to an instance, it just hangs, and I have to restart the instance | 15:25 |
| vishy | the base os is generally one size | 15:25 |
| Razique | why ? :/ | 15:25 |
| vishy | and the secondary drive is different sizes | 15:25 |
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| CatKiller | vishy: Ah ok, I was thinking of how Rackspace does it (specific sizes, and only one main FS mounted on /), while you attach a second drive to the VM and get the User to work on that | 15:26 |
| vishy | Razique: you mean an attached volume? I've never had any trouble... | 15:26 |
| Razique | vishy: HI, not an attached volume, the one which goes along with a flavor | 15:26 |
| Razique | the m1.small plan has a 20 gb drive | 15:27 |
| vishy | Razique: gotcha, so /dev/vdb on an m1.small? | 15:27 |
| Razique | http://paste.openstack.org/show/1701/ | 15:27 |
| Razique | exactly | 15:27 |
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| Razique | actually, it hangs during the formatting process | 15:28 |
| Razique | I had to run a fsck.ext4 on vdb1 after that | 15:28 |
| CatKiller | vishy: Thanks a lot for your answers, just one last question though: Is boot from volume going to be the new openstack standard or a different option from the image boot? | 15:28 |
| Razique | then when I mount it, again, the instance hangs when I try to put a file on it :/ | 15:28 |
| vishy | Razique: I haven't seen that happen before | 15:28 |
| Razique | vishy: where could I found traces ? | 15:29 |
| vishy | CatKiller: I don't know if it will be considered the "standard". We don't have support for it in the openstack api yet, but it should be added | 15:29 |
| CatKiller | vishy: Thanks a million for all your answers, that helped me a lot! | 15:30 |
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| vishy | Razique: I don't know, you could look in syslog on the compute host and see if you are getting any wierd errors | 15:31 |
| vishy | Razique: what host/guest os are you using? | 15:31 |
| Razique | vishy: the host is an ubuntu box, the instance either | 15:31 |
| Razique | both 64 bits | 15:31 |
| vishy | which version? | 15:32 |
| vishy | and which version of libvirt? | 15:32 |
| Razique | 10.04 on the host, and the instance is a 10.10 box | 15:32 |
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| Razique | I can't see any weird errors, I've checked all nova logs | 15:46 |
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| Razique | oh, | 15:46 |
| Razique | it seems that it's apparmor that's messing up | 15:46 |
| Razique | http://paste.openstack.org/show/1702/ | 15:47 |
| Razique | I'm not an apparmor expert... | 15:47 |
| vishy | thought that might be the case | 15:50 |
| vishy | make sure you have the newest version of libvirt | 15:50 |
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| vishy | Razique: (from the ppa). If that doesn't fix it you can turn off app armour support in libvirt by editing /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf and changing security_driver | 15:52 |
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| Razique | vishy: I also just see that my compute-node's disk is full :/ | 16:00 |
| vishy | well that will definitely cause some problems :) | 16:00 |
| katkee | hello, i used nova-manage user create ecom ecom ecom and then nova-manage project create ecom ecom but the ecom user cannot allocate ip addresses nor use euca-authorize... how can i create a user with sufficent rights to do that? | 16:03 |
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| Razique | vishy: actually, I've 4 instances running, 3 of them have a m1.small plan, which makes my dir weight 60 gb | 16:09 |
| Razique | (my v/var/lib/nova/instances dir) | 16:09 |
| vishy | Razique: it doesn't | 16:09 |
| vishy | unless they are all full of data | 16:09 |
| vishy | they should all share the same 20G backing file | 16:10 |
| Razique | vishy: that's the point, they are not | 16:10 |
| Razique | vishy: oh, it's a shared storage, the one which belongs to a plan ? | 16:10 |
| vishy | katkee: nova-manage role add netadmin | 16:10 |
| Razique | (I mean more like a common pool) | 16:10 |
| vishy | er that is: nova-manage role add netadmin <user> | 16:11 |
| katkee | vishy: i tried that but i get 401 Unauthorized | 16:11 |
| vishy | and nova-manage role add netadmin <user> <project> | 16:11 |
| vishy | (you need both) | 16:11 |
| Razique | http://paste.openstack.org/show/1703/ weird, innit ? | 16:11 |
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| vishy | Razique: you have a whole bunch of old cached images | 16:12 |
| vishy | Razique: you have a bunch there you can delete... | 16:12 |
| katkee | vishy: it was nova-manage role add ecom netadmin ecom, GREAT thanks vishy | 16:12 |
| Razique | vishy: rm -rf _base ? :D | 16:12 |
| vishy | katkee: ah yes it is <user> role <project> my badd :) | 16:12 |
| katkee | vishy: ;) | 16:13 |
| Razique | can I remove all subdirs into the _base dir safely ? | 16:16 |
| Razique | or is there any particular way to remove all cached instances | 16:16 |
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| vishy | Razique: you can remove any that you aren't using | 16:22 |
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| Razique | vishy: thanks :) | 16:23 |
| Razique | $ | 16:23 |
| Razique | ooops | 16:23 |
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| vishy | Razique: | 16:25 |
| vishy | find . -name disk | xargs -n1 qemu-img info | grep backing | 16:25 |
| vishy | or even find . -name disk* | xargs -n1 qemu-img info | grep backing | 16:25 |
| vishy | (alternatively, terminate all your instances and delete the whole _base folder) | 16:26 |
| Razique | vishy: pardon me, but what this command will outputs exactly ? | 16:26 |
| vishy | the backing files that are in use my your running instances | 16:26 |
| Razique | vishy: can't , these are production instances ahah | 16:26 |
| vishy | (run it from /var/lib/nova/instances | 16:27 |
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| Razique | http://paste.openstack.org/show/1704/ | 16:27 |
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| vishy | hah weird | 16:33 |
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| * Razique wonders why he's always getting the weird stuff :D | 16:34 | |
| vishy | Razique: I don't know why qemu-img can't load the files, perhaps it is the same app armour issue? | 16:38 |
| Razique | leme check the logs :) | 16:38 |
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| Razique | mmm not really, I've used again the qemu-img info command right now, and nothing related to apparmor appeared in logs | 16:40 |
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| vishy | might be a straight permissions issue then | 16:53 |
| vishy | maybe qemu-img switches into libvirt user context | 16:54 |
| Razique | mmm don't really know actually... | 16:56 |
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| CatKiller | vishy: Are you still there | 17:58 |
| vishy | CatKiller: yup | 17:58 |
| CatKiller | vishy: I wanted to ask you a quick question | 17:59 |
| CatKiller | vishy: How long would you think it'd take to modify the nova source to allow support for multiple VGs per compute node (allocate storage from different VGs to separate instances)? | 17:59 |
| CatKiller | vishy: I saw your name in a lot of comments so I thought you might have an idea about that | 18:00 |
| vishy | hmm, you mean create a new volume group for each instance? | 18:00 |
| CatKiller | vishy: Pretty much, instead of using the same VG for all | 18:00 |
| CatKiller | vishy: So if you ran out of space on that vg you wouldn't need to extend it but just add a new one from a new physical device | 18:01 |
| vishy | CatKiller: that is a little tough | 18:01 |
| vishy | you would need a physical device for each vm no? | 18:01 |
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| CatKiller | vishy: I looked at the source and it is extremely clear, so I wouldn't be too blocked on deciphering it | 18:01 |
| CatKiller | vishy: Pretty m,uch, a physical device for each VM | 18:02 |
| vishy | i don't really understand why that is preferrable | 18:02 |
| vishy | but I think you could do it without too much trouble | 18:02 |
| CatKiller | vishy: Well for instance you may want to have different physical volume per vm | 18:02 |
| vishy | you could actually run multiple copies of nova-volume | 18:02 |
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| CatKiller | vishy: let's say you'd want to power off the storage device when your VM is offline | 18:02 |
| vishy | with a different volume-group managed by each | 18:02 |
| vishy | CatKiller: doesn't really sound like a cloud... | 18:03 |
| vishy | :) | 18:03 |
| CatKiller | vishy: That sounds like an idea... | 18:03 |
| vishy | CatKiller: I'm just thinking about how you could make sure that you don't give multiple volumes to each copy of nova-volume | 18:04 |
| CatKiller | vishy: And what if I wanted to run a single copy of nova-volume but modify the code inside to work with multiple VGs? | 18:04 |
| vishy | CatKiller: the issue isn't code, it is configuration | 18:05 |
| vishy | CatKiller: the code itself for working with a vg would be simple, it is definiing vg names and physical devices and stuff automatically that would be the challenge | 18:06 |
| CatKiller | vishy: That would also mean that the configuration tool would need to be extended to support mapping an instance to a volume group | 18:06 |
| CatKiller | vishy: That's the thing, instead of using the dashboard and specifying a volume size you'd first need to specify a device, and the size on this device | 18:06 |
| CatKiller | vishy: So it wouldn't necessarily need to be automatical, it'd add an extra layer ontop | 18:07 |
| vishy | sure which would mean adding new apis | 18:07 |
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| CatKiller | vishy: That's true too | 18:10 |
| CatKiller | vishy: That sounds like a good bit of work though | 18:10 |
| CatKiller | vishy: I don't know if it is worth it, I thought it might have been trivial, but I didn't realize what was involved | 18:11 |
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| CatKiller | vishy: Thanks for your help | 18:12 |
| vishy | np | 18:12 |
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| cowmix | I've seen Google links here and there saying that Virutalbox is a supported hypervisor.. but I don't see it on the official docs.. is Virutalbox supported? | 18:16 |
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| bonzay | cowmix: virtualbox is supported with qemu | 18:17 |
| annegentle | bonzay: I've been trying to track that down, thanks. Does that mean vdi images are supported, but qemu is the hypervisor? | 18:21 |
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| vishy | cowmix: there is no direct virtualbox support. It was written and proposed at one point but it never merged because there wasn't enough interest | 18:23 |
| cowmix | vishy: ah.. so there is some code, someplace, that allows Virtualbox to be controlled by NOVA | 18:24 |
| vishy | no there was | 18:24 |
| vishy | it definitely wouldn't work at this point :) | 18:24 |
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| cowmix | vishy: too bad.. Virtualbox, IMHO, fills some functionality holes other HVs don't quite do well. | 18:25 |
| vishy | for example... | 18:25 |
| annegentle | there's a blog entry on the OpenStack blog (http://www.openstack.org/blog/2010/08/openstack-community-update/) that maybe we should clarify then (it's from Aug 2010)? | 18:25 |
| cowmix | vishy: the best support for Windows 7 for a free hypervisor is from Virtbox.. | 18:26 |
| vishy | cowmix: nova doesn't run on windows 7 so i fail to see the value in that respect | 18:27 |
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| cowmix | vishy: I mean from a guest OS standpoint | 18:27 |
| vishy | cowmix: really? windows guests seem to run fine in xen/kvm | 18:28 |
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| smoser | vishy, pvo , ChrisAM , any of you around ? | 19:44 |
| vishy | smoser: yep | 19:44 |
| pvo | yep | 19:44 |
| smoser | was querying about http://etherpad.openstack.org/clouddrive | 19:45 |
| pvo | shoot | 19:45 |
| smoser | i had discussed with _0x44 about this on friday i think , in repsonse to being poked by ttx. | 19:45 |
| smoser | (name dropping finished) | 19:45 |
| smoser | i had some suggestions for it htat i think make mit massivly more useful | 19:45 |
| vishy | smoser: we were just discussing it in openstack-dev actually :) | 19:46 |
| smoser | right. i saw the etherpad link there. | 19:46 |
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| smoser | i'll just respond on list of that is better | 19:47 |
| pvo | sure. | 19:47 |
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| NewUser78 | Good afternoon | 21:44 |
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| NewUser78 | I'm running this commands: | 21:44 |
| NewUser78 | euca-authorize -P icmp -t -1:-1 default euca-authorize -P tcp -p 22 default | 21:44 |
| NewUser78 | and I'm getting an error message, anyone can help me? | 21:45 |
| NewUser78 | this is the error: [Errno 111] Connection refused | 21:46 |
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| annegentle | Lots of people reporting that Errno 111 lately, has anything changed recently? See also https://answers.launchpad.net/nova/+question/161833. | 22:50 |
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| _vinay | Hello, | 23:27 |
| _vinay | I have a question about networking options in nova | 23:27 |
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| _vinay | Is it true that Flat and FlatDHCP modes can only assign public IP addresses to VMs ? | 23:28 |
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| ohnoimdead | are there instructions somewhere for doing a dev install of swift like saio but with keystone support? | 23:42 |
| notmyname | ohnoimdead: I believe there's something in the keystone docs. let me check... | 23:43 |
| ohnoimdead | ideally for 1.4.1 | 23:44 |
| notmyname | ohnoimdead: check out the README for keystone (https://github.com/rackspace/keystone and scroll to the bottom looking for "Swift Integration - Quick Start") | 23:45 |
| ohnoimdead | aw yeah | 23:46 |
| ohnoimdead | notmyname: thanks | 23:46 |
| notmyname | ohnoimdead: gholt did all the work. I just pointed at the docs :-) | 23:46 |
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