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| eviscares | good morning | 06:59 |
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| eviscares | I have some questions regarding swifts operating procedures, does anyone know if containers and the objects they contain are placed on the same nodes? | 07:07 |
| eviscares | And is there any way to find out which nodes an object has been placed on? | 07:07 |
| mandela123 | so far，there is not a way to know which node an object has been placed on | 07:09 |
| eviscares | great… thanks. | 07:09 |
| redbo | They're distributed in a random looking way among drives. The only way to find out where they're at is to ask the ring. | 07:09 |
| eviscares | I guess that is what happens if I do a swift download call, right? | 07:10 |
| redbo | yeah, that's how the proxy server knows where they are | 07:10 |
| eviscares | bugger all… I would like to test failure tolerance, but without knowing which nodes to shut down, that would be just guessing and testing | 07:11 |
| redbo | if you just want to know where one object is, there's a command "swift-get-nodes [account] [container] [object]" | 07:12 |
| eviscares | ah, thank you. that was what I had been looking for. | 07:13 |
| eviscares | and it returns an error. do I have to do a -A -K there? | 07:14 |
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| redbo | oh I missed an argument, "swift-get-nodes [/etc/swift/object.ring.gz] [account] [container] [object]" | 07:15 |
| redbo | for an object, or "swift-get-nodes /etc/swift/account.ring.gz [account]" to find out where an account lives, etc. | 07:16 |
| eviscares | Handoffs is what it would move to if other nodes fail, right? | 07:17 |
| redbo | yes | 07:17 |
| eviscares | thanks a ton | 07:18 |
| eviscares | Hm… funny.. there should be something on a node but there is not. | 07:20 |
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| eviscares | Is there a page where I can look up the different usergroups like .admin and what their permissions are? Preferably for 1.4. Thanks | 10:24 |
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| eviscares | Or to rephrase, how do I create new users? | 11:07 |
| agy | eviscares: 'nova-manage' command should let you create users | 11:11 |
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| eviscares | sorry, I was unclear there. I am working on creating a swift cluster. | 11:12 |
| agy | oh | 11:13 |
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| eviscares | And I must admit, I'm quite as a loss. even though I can create users, unless they are admins, they can't do anything. | 11:20 |
| viraptor | is there some way to create different default quotas without changing the sourcecode? | 11:22 |
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| viraptor | ah... I see it now actually, nevermind :)( | 11:23 |
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| siwos | hello all | 12:32 |
| siwos | anybody using SSD with compute nodes? | 12:32 |
| siwos | I came across a paper from dell (Openstack reference architecture) | 12:32 |
| siwos | dell recommends 10k RPM SAS drives for compute | 12:32 |
| siwos | from my experience the i/o is the first boundary you hit in the virtualization world | 12:33 |
| siwos | which one do you recommend ssd vs SAS? | 12:33 |
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| reidrac | I've been very happy with 15k rpm SAS disks, but they're quite expensive | 12:36 |
| reidrac | I agree with the io boundary :) | 12:36 |
| siwos | i tested ssd lately | 12:37 |
| siwos | works better than sas definitely | 12:37 |
| siwos | done some i/o benchmarks - ssd-s were 2 times faster than 10krpm sas | 12:38 |
| siwos | 4 machines running simultaneously on one disk | 12:38 |
| reidrac | I don't know if I would take into account Dell's recommendation on hw | 12:39 |
| reidrac | if you know what I mean... | 12:39 |
| siwos | they published their reference arch lately | 12:39 |
| siwos | based on 6100 | 12:39 |
| siwos | nodes | 12:39 |
| siwos | c6100 | 12:39 |
| siwos | for me the nodes are way too huge to run vm-s effectively | 12:40 |
| siwos | 16 cores , 96gb of ram per each node - this means potential problems with process scheduling | 12:40 |
| siwos | and i/o | 12:40 |
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| siwos | i'm thinking of running openstack on a bunch of HP 2x220c blades (8cores + ssd) | 12:42 |
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| smoser | ok... lets say i did a crazy thing and ran a windows instance on a public cloud | 12:57 |
| smoser | since this next 1 hour will entail about 50% of my windows usage in the past 10 years, i'm hoping someone here might be able to help me. | 12:57 |
| smoser | how would I know what filesystem type was a on disk in windows? | 12:57 |
| smoser | ie, in linux /proc/partitions or 'file --special-files /dev/XXX' would tell me. | 12:58 |
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| mahogony | @smoser are you currently booted up on the windows disk? | 12:59 |
| larissa | mahogony: Error: "smoser" is not a valid command. | 12:59 |
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| smoser | i will be in 10 minutes or so | 13:00 |
| smoser | i'm wanting to know the FS of an ephemeral disk | 13:00 |
| smoser | but knowing fs of all would be very appreciated | 13:00 |
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| mahogony | if you have the disk in a mochine that is currently booted up to linux you can use parted or fdisk to scan the drive. it should report back the fs type. OR | 13:01 |
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| smoser | its really going to be in windows with no ooption to boot linux. | 13:02 |
| mahogony | if booted to the disk right click my computer and select properties -> disk management -> right click boot partitiion and general tab will show fs type | 13:02 |
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| mahogony | ie ntfs, fat32,... | 13:03 |
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| smoser | mahogony, thank you. | 13:06 |
| notmyname | eviscares: http://programmerthoughts.com/openstack/swift-permissions/ <--- /very/ basic info on creating users and permissions in swift | 13:06 |
| mahogony | yup | 13:06 |
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| eviscares | notmyname: thanks | 13:09 |
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| eviscares | notmyname: I must admit that I consider the unwieldiness of Swifts User Accounts one of its biggest drawbacks | 13:12 |
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| redbo | eviscares: how do you consider them to be unwieldy? | 13:18 |
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| eviscares | redbo: I find it exceedingly painful to add new users and somehow manage their permissions. Maybe I have not found the part of 1.4's Documentation that explains it, but setting Permissions via Post seems a bit arcane to me. | 13:21 |
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| notmyname | eviscares: what would be better? | 13:27 |
| eviscares | notmyname: I would prefer a config file where I could assign Containers to users with permissions. | 13:28 |
| reidrac | eviscares: but the users can create/delete containers at will | 13:30 |
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| eviscares | reidrac: actually, this doesn't work for me | 13:30 |
| reidrac | :) | 13:30 |
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| eviscares | reidrac: I created another user after the Admin, and he can't create folders | 13:31 |
| reidrac | folders? but does it have write permissions on the container? | 13:32 |
| eviscares | I meant containers. | 13:32 |
| reidrac | of course it cant | 13:33 |
| eviscares | If I have him upload something into a container that didn't exist before, it returns a 401 for Auth get. | 13:33 |
| eviscares | So then they can't create/delete at will. | 13:33 |
| reidrac | the point it's that the admin can create containers and assign users an ACL to containers | 13:33 |
| reidrac | *and | 13:33 |
| eviscares | Yes, and I consider these ACL unwieldy | 13:34 |
| reidrac | why? | 13:34 |
| reidrac | do you want the users to create containers too? | 13:34 |
| reidrac | I can't understand, they can create folders inside the container | 13:34 |
| eviscares | Because I consider the ACL manipulation via Post very weird | 13:35 |
| reidrac | it's like a file system in which the admin controls the root directory, and then creates user directories (containers) | 13:35 |
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| reidrac | in our implementation you can create an account, then create a container and enable a user to upload files there (and ONLY there) | 13:36 |
| reidrac | that's an extra access layer, I think is an advantage over other solutions | 13:36 |
| reidrac | actually I think is one of the best features of swift | 13:36 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #831995 in nova "EC2 API noauth user_id is invalid" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831995 | 13:37 |
| eviscares | Then maybe I'm doing something wrong, because this fails me. I did a swift […] post -r 'system:trudat' -w 'system:trudat', and it doesn't work. | 13:37 |
| reidrac | system is the account, trudat is the user | 13:38 |
| reidrac | and you're doing that on an existing container of system account, aren't you? | 13:38 |
| eviscares | yup | 13:38 |
| reidrac | have you tried to retrieve the container ACLs to see if the POST worked? | 13:39 |
| reidrac | did work? | 13:39 |
| reidrac | if it worked, then you need to check your auth server to see if it's returning the right ACL | 13:40 |
| eviscares | how would I retrieve the container ACL? | 13:40 |
| reidrac | such as X-Auth-Groups: system:trudat | 13:40 |
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| reidrac | check: http://docs.openstack.org/cactus/openstack-object-storage/developer/content/retrieve-container-metadata.html | 13:41 |
| eviscares | does this also apply for 1.4? | 13:41 |
| reidrac | it's a HEAD request | 13:42 |
| reidrac | I think so | 13:42 |
| reidrac | we're using 1.4.x | 13:42 |
| reidrac | if it's a minor version it will be OK | 13:42 |
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| eviscares | so it would be: "HEAD /1.4.2/system/[Container] http/1.1"? | 13:43 |
| reidrac | you need to include a valid auth token I guess | 13:44 |
| reidrac | the X-Auth-Token header, you know | 13:44 |
| reidrac | :) | 13:44 |
| reidrac | but yes... the you should get X-Container-Read and X-Container-Write headers | 13:45 |
| reidrac | in the response | 13:45 |
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| eviscares | I'm sorry, I'm feeling very stupid right now. Would that make it a curl request? | 13:45 |
| eviscares | I'm really new to this. | 13:45 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #831999 in nova "Instance not found message poorly formatted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831999 | 13:46 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #832012 in nova "OSAPI list servers causes 'AttributeError: use_ipv6'" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832012 | 13:46 |
| reidrac | OK, 1st ask for a token to the public auth service: http://docs.openstack.org/cactus/openstack-object-storage/developer/content/authentication.html#d6e223 | 13:46 |
| reidrac | in that way you get an auth token that needs to be used in any request | 13:47 |
| reidrac | (you're getting the ACL of the container, so use the account admin user) | 13:47 |
| reidrac | swift docs are reasonably good, but sometimes it's hard to get the big picture :( | 13:48 |
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| statik | does nova networking FlatDHCPMode always require 2 ethernet devices? I'm wondering whether it's possible to set up a test environment at home using some mac minis running ubuntu - they only have a single ethernet port. I'm interested in having multiple physical compute nodes but not too worried about security in this environment | 13:51 |
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| eviscares | I got that token, but somehow I fail to understand how the request should be phrased | 13:52 |
| eviscares | This is all a bit overwhelming. | 13:52 |
| reidrac | it's all right | 13:53 |
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| reidrac | you need to add a header to your curl request | 13:54 |
| reidrac | curl -I -H "X-Auth-Token: YOURTOKENHERE" http://yourproxy:port/whatever/system/container | 13:55 |
| agy | statik: 1 ethernet device will work with FlatDHCP for your compute nodes | 13:56 |
| eviscares | ah ok thank you | 13:56 |
| reidrac | if I'm not wrong, that's a curl HEAD request using the token in the X-Auth-Token header | 13:56 |
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| statik | agy: thanks! | 13:56 |
| statik | i've been confused by reading about the bridges that are required | 13:57 |
| statik | http://unchainyourbrain.com/openstack/13-networking-in-nova | 13:57 |
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| statik | agy: does the "compute controller" or device running nova-network require multiple nics? | 13:58 |
| agy | statik: nova-network should work with one interface, but i've not tried it tbh | 13:59 |
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| statik | agy: thanks for suffering my newbie questions - so with a single interface, would I still need to configure a bridge, and then I'm basically just forgoing having a private network and all network traffic from the VMs is on the same net? | 14:00 |
| eviscares | reidrac: thanks, but this doesn't seem to be working eiher. | 14:02 |
| reidrac | what's the answer you get? | 14:02 |
| agy | statik: something like that. the nova-* packages are pretty good and will create the bridged interfaces for you. you may need to add an aliased address for your "private" networks | 14:02 |
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| eviscares | I get nothing. I sent the request and it is taking a long time now. | 14:03 |
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| eviscares | -v shows that the connection gets accepted and that it sends the token. | 14:05 |
| reidrac | 1 sec | 14:06 |
| eviscares | sure take your time, I'll go for a smoke. | 14:09 |
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| reidrac | eviscares: here you have an example: http://paste.openstack.org/show/2255/ | 14:11 |
| reidrac | ignore the X-Container-Meta-* headers in the HEAD response, that's related to our CDN implementation | 14:11 |
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| reidrac | 1. ask the public auth service for a token, 2. go to the proxy with that token and make a HEAD request to the container, 3. profit! | 14:13 |
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| eviscares | reidrac: the public auth service request is this? curl -k -v -H 'X-Storage-User: system:root' -H 'X-Storage-Pass: testpass' https://[MyProxiesIP]:8080/auth/v1.0? | 14:23 |
| reidrac | no sure, are you running an auth service on that IP/port? can you paste the response headers? (add -D -) | 14:24 |
| reidrac | I mean, first you should validate your installations: create an account/admin user, get a token, perform a HEAD request in the account, that sort of things ;) | 14:26 |
| eviscares | Yeah, did all that and It worked. Now I get an AUTH_[longthingie] back | 14:27 |
| reidrac | that's your storage token, kewl | 14:28 |
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| eviscares | ok… when I run the second command from the paste, I get a 503 | 14:29 |
| eviscares | curl -k -I -H "X-Auth-Token: AUTH_tk934dbbea9fca4b46a741ae7b45696364" https://[MyProxiesIP]:8080/v1/AUTH_system/timosfiles/ | 14:30 |
| reidrac | service unavailable, that may mean your storage node(s) aren't there | 14:30 |
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| reidrac | check the proxy server logs, you'll find something there | 14:31 |
| reidrac | or may be the proxy server failed to contact the private auth service to validate your token | 14:31 |
| eviscares | Proxyserver logs are in /var/log? | 14:31 |
| reidrac | definitely, you need to check the proxy logs | 14:31 |
| reidrac | swift uses syslog, it depends on your conf... but /var/log/syslog it's a safe bet | 14:32 |
| eviscares | yeah… the connection times out... | 14:33 |
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| eviscares | something is rotten in the state of denmark... | 14:33 |
| reidrac | when speaking with? | 14:33 |
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| reidrac | the private auth service or the storage nodes? | 14:33 |
| eviscares | when speaking with the container server on the storage nodes | 14:33 |
| reidrac | so you got it :) | 14:34 |
| reidrac | now you know what to fix | 14:34 |
| eviscares | thanks for walking me through this. | 14:34 |
| reidrac | you're welcome | 14:34 |
| eviscares | Could this be a problem due to an older python version? | 14:36 |
| reidrac | how old? :D | 14:37 |
| eviscares | Ubuntu 10.10 install | 14:37 |
| reidrac | don't know, I guess other services would fail too... not only the container-server | 14:37 |
| eviscares | Running it on freshly installed Ubuntu 10.10 VM's | 14:38 |
| reidrac | what does python --version say? | 14:38 |
| reidrac | probably not the problem, it should be 2.6.something, and that's OK | 14:38 |
| eviscares | 2.6.6 | 14:38 |
| reidrac | perfect | 14:38 |
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| reidrac | the same we're running on debian squeeze | 14:39 |
| reidrac | try to run the container server by hand an see what's the problem | 14:39 |
| reidrac | may be you missed any dependecy | 14:39 |
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| eviscares | I guess when swift doesn't show up at all in the syslog it could be bad. | 14:42 |
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| eviscares | wait… I rebooted the nodes and now the HEAD works | 14:44 |
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| notmyname | clayg: abuelo.dfw1.rackspace.corp. 30INA10.7.192.130 | 14:45 |
| ivoks | are there any additional docs for D3 or should i just use those for cactus? | 14:45 |
| reidrac | eviscares: so you win! | 14:45 |
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| eviscares | yep thanks to you | 14:45 |
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| eviscares | I guess I'll tear down the cluster, and start over. Find out what went wrong this time | 14:47 |
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| annegentle | ivoks: you can browse at http://docs.openstack.org/trunk for the current (D3) doc | 14:49 |
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| ivoks | annegentle: thanks | 14:52 |
| eviscares | reidrac: would you be willing to answer some more questions, regarding design decisions and operating procedures of swift? | 14:53 |
| reidrac | sure | 14:53 |
| reidrac | you can always ask in the channel, there are some smarts guys here ;) | 14:54 |
| reidrac | or send an email to the mailing list for a more elaborated asynchronous question/answer | 14:54 |
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| eviscares | Why are names hashed? | 14:55 |
| reidrac | s/smart guys/smart people/ (sorry girls) | 14:55 |
| gnu111 | my netadmin says vlan tagging is enabled in the switch. how do I make sure packets are going back and forth from my node? | 14:55 |
| reidrac | eviscares: names hashed, what do you mean? | 14:56 |
| eviscares | From a failure recovery perspective I would think that it would be easier to hash them for location but then place them under their respective name. | 14:56 |
| eviscares | reidrac: turned into something cryptic. | 14:56 |
| notmyname | names are hashed to get good (even) distribution in the cluster | 14:56 |
| reidrac | eviscares: speaking of smart people, notmyname knows his stuff | 14:57 |
| reidrac | (and I'm off work in 3 minutes!) | 14:57 |
| eviscares | Then I'll bug him. Thanks again for the help. | 14:57 |
| reidrac | eviscares: you're welcome | 14:57 |
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| ivoks | annegentle: well, not so current :) | 15:00 |
| ivoks | has anyone experienced an issue where all the services are running, but port 8773 isn't open? | 15:01 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #832096 in nova "Instance rebuild fails due to admin_pass AttributeError" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832096 | 15:41 |
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| JoseBravo | Hello | 16:05 |
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| undertree | Hello, I am trying to figure out why my compute nodes will not assign addresses to the VM's. I get a NoMoreAddresses error like: http://pastebin.com/C51bZ3J9 but I have not assigned any. I have a class C available for fixed addresses. Any ideas on where to look to find the issue? | 16:06 |
| JoseBravo | OpenStack compute uses a SAN/NAS to storage the VM volumes or use the disks of each hardware node? | 16:07 |
| medberry | undertree, I'd look at your database and see what's going on. Did you do a nova-manage create network somewhere along the way? | 16:08 |
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| DuncanT | JoseBravo: Yes. | 16:08 |
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| DuncanT | JoseBravo: It can be set up either way | 16:08 |
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| JoseBravo | DuncanT, thanks | 16:11 |
| JoseBravo | Is OpenStack offering commercial support and training? | 16:12 |
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| DuncanT | JoseBravo: No idea on the support front | 16:13 |
| reed | JoseBravo, google found this for training http://www.rackspace.com/cloudbuilders/openstack/training/ | 16:13 |
| reed | JoseBravo, and support is also mentioned on http://www.rackspace.com/cloudbuilders/services/ | 16:14 |
| undertree | JoseBravo, nova-manage network list shows http://pastebin.com/e10HYHsp | 16:14 |
| reed | I think there are also other companies that offer both | 16:14 |
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| JoseBravo | Last question, If I need to deploy a minimal test cloud with OpenStack how many servers I need? | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | JoseBravo: You can run it on as few as one | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | JoseBravo: More realistically, one infrastructure node and a couple of compute hosts might give a more realistic feel for the system | 16:21 |
| WormMan | I found seeing the interactions and stuff, 3 is nice(2 compute, 1 for everything else) | 16:23 |
| JoseBravo | infraestrcuture node is like the "controller" ? | 16:23 |
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| DuncanT | JoseBravo: Yes. | 16:26 |
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| undertree | medberry, nova-manage network list shows http://pastebin.com/e10HYHsp as the available networks | 16:50 |
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| chriswong | so, where do i download the st utility? | 17:45 |
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| vishy | chriswong: it was renamed to "swift" | 18:15 |
| vishy | some time ago | 18:15 |
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| leob | hi does anybody have experience with Dashboard integrated with Keystone i.e. using Keystone for authentication? | 18:18 |
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| gnu111 | I associated a public ip to my instance. I can only ping and ssh to it from the nova controller. what did I miss? | 18:51 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #832259 in nova "os_api authenticate fails for non-unique access_keys" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832259 | 18:51 |
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| Gmi | gnu111: check the "euca-describe-group" output and make sure you added rules to allow ssh | 18:56 |
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| gnu111 | Gmi: i have icmp and port 22 allowed for the project. i am not sure if I have the route setup properly. | 18:59 |
| Gmi | gnu111: you can ssh to the instance from the nova controller and start a tcpdump while you ssh from the other host, at least you'll know if the traffic from outside reaches your instance | 19:01 |
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| leob | anybody here who has experience with Dashboard using Keystone for authorization? | 19:03 |
| gnu111 | Gmi: I can't ping outside now. I was able to do that before associating the public ip. tcpdump shows novalocal to the public ip. | 19:04 |
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| gnu111 | Gmi: I did this. not sure if this was needed " route add -host <public_ip> gw <eth1_Ip>" eth1 is my --public_interface | 19:06 |
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| vishy | gnu111: where are you trying to access it from? | 19:08 |
| jsavak | hi leob - what seems to be the problem? | 19:10 |
| leob | well i can't login into dashboard even though i'm fairly sure that user/pwd are correct but i'm not sure how to analyze the problem maybe anyone has some useful pointers | 19:12 |
| leob | so in the webserver/dashboard logs i first see auth_api connection created using url "http://localhost:5000/v2.0/" | 19:13 |
| leob | that is the Nova API endpoint i think so it's not keystone yet, maybe it doesnt even reach keystone | 19:13 |
| gnu111 | vishy: I can access it from the controller which runs nova-network. But outside of that machine, i can't access that instance with the public ip. | 19:13 |
| vishy | gnu111: is the ip routable on the interface from other machines? | 19:14 |
| jsavak | leob - a couple people had similar problems in the past few days and resolved it by updating nova & keystone from trunk - are you up to date? | 19:14 |
| leob | then i see a Python stacktrace ending in openstackx/api/connection.py and then the message Unauthorized (HTTP 401), it suppose that's the HTTP response from Nova API | 19:14 |
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| leob | right well that is very useful info, it's exactly what this forum is so useful for | 19:15 |
| leob | i installed from the bazaar/lp repo a few days ago, should i update only dashboard or everything? i.e. just rerun the install from source | 19:16 |
| leob | right, nova and keystone you said | 19:16 |
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| gnu111 | vishy: probably not, that's the part I am confused about. 10.0.1.0/24 is my nova network. I assigned the public ip to 10.0.1.17 | 19:17 |
| vishy | what is the public ip? | 19:18 |
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| chrism | hola | 19:19 |
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| chrism | i've got a bit of a weird one here | 19:19 |
| gnu111 | vishy: 149.165.159.170 | 19:19 |
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| gnu111 | vishy: i have two nics, flat_interface=eth0 and public_interface=eth1. | 19:20 |
| chrism | previously working configuration, fairly standard, 2 compute nodes, 1 controller node (scheduler/api/network). This was working fine until a reboot happened on the controller this morning. Now I can ping the fixed_ip of the instances, but I can't SSH to them from outside of the openstack servers | 19:20 |
| leob | i have a very general question about openstack, it's about current or planned features - are "advanced" features in the planning like dynamically moving VM workloads from one physical host to another or would that be thord party stuff built on top of Openstack | 19:20 |
| chrism | it should be noted that if i'm on either of the compute nodes or the controller node, i can ssh to the instances fixed_ip. Also if i bind a floating IP tot he instance, I can get to that from outside of the openstack cluster just fine | 19:22 |
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| vishy | gnu111: and is that 149. an address that if you gave it to the network host on eth1, it would be routable? | 19:24 |
| vishy | leob: right now it is on top, hopefully that stuff moves down into openstack eventually | 19:25 |
| vishy | chrism: how were you getting to them before? | 19:25 |
| leob | okay but the architecture would allow it | 19:25 |
| gnu111 | vishy: no, eth1 has a different address. | 19:26 |
| leob | just curious, i'm still noob at all of this | 19:26 |
| chrism | I could route to them from outside of the cluster. Our office layout has several vlans, and you can route between the vlans fine. | 19:26 |
| vishy | gnu111: hmm but if you added it there | 19:26 |
| vishy | is it routable? | 19:26 |
| gnu111 | vishy: ip addr show eth1 shows that public ip address. how do I make it routeable? :D | 19:27 |
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| vishy | gnu111: is that an ip you own? | 19:28 |
| vishy | is it assigned to you by your isp, etc? | 19:28 |
| gnu111 | vishy: yes. | 19:28 |
| gnu111 | vishy: yes. i own it and it's free. | 19:28 |
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| vishy | gnu111: so if this was another box plugged in to your router, you could give it that ip and it would work? | 19:29 |
| gnu111 | gnu11: yes correct. | 19:29 |
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| gnu111 | vishy: yes, that is correct | 19:30 |
| vishy | hehe | 19:30 |
| vishy | and is that where eth1 is plugged in? | 19:30 |
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| gnu111 | vishy: currently ip addr show eth1 showing two addresses. one with /24 and one with /32. | 19:31 |
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| vishy | and those are both public ups? | 19:33 |
| vishy | ips! | 19:33 |
| gnu111 | vishy: yes! | 19:33 |
| vishy | and where are you trying to ping from? | 19:33 |
| gnu111 | vishy: from the nova controller it worked. from the compute nodes and any other machine, it didn't | 19:34 |
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| vishy | can you ping the other ip for the controller from other machines? | 19:37 |
| gnu111 | vishy: yes, the main eth1 ip is pingable and that is my --public_interface in nova.conf | 19:38 |
| vishy | and you have set up sec groups to authorize ping from anywhere? | 19:38 |
| gnu111 | vishy: yes, euca-describe-group shows FROMCIDR0.0.0.0/0 | 19:39 |
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| vishy | do you have ip_forward set? | 19:40 |
| vishy | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward | 19:40 |
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| gnu111 | vishy: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward says 1 | 19:41 |
| vishy | sigh, guess you have to start tcpdumping | 19:41 |
| vishy | find out what happens to the packet | 19:41 |
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| vishy | * packets | 19:41 |
| gnu111 | vishy: I have this in iptables (under nova-network-PREROUTING) DNAT all -- anywhere 149.165.159.170 to:10.0.1.1 | 19:42 |
| gnu111 | and nova-network-OUTPUT DNAT all -- anywhere 149.165.159.170 to:10.0.1.17 | 19:42 |
| vishy | hmm | 19:43 |
| vishy | is the first one actually 17? | 19:43 |
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| gnu111 | vishy: yes. sorry. DNAT all -- anywhere 149.165.159.170 to:10.0.1.17 | 19:43 |
| vishy | if you do it with a -L -n -v, does it show packets hiding that rule? | 19:43 |
| vishy | s/hiding/hitting | 19:44 |
| vishy | ok this autocorrect is starting to piss me off, time to disable it | 19:44 |
| gnu111 | vishy: yes. only 84 byes.... | 19:46 |
| gnu111 | s/byes/bytes | 19:46 |
| vishy | so start off a ping | 19:46 |
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| vishy | and start tcpdumping for icmp traffic | 19:46 |
| vishy | see where it disappears | 19:46 |
| gnu111 | vishy: ping from outside? | 19:47 |
| vishy | yeah | 19:47 |
| vishy | tcpdump -i eth1 icmp | 19:48 |
| vishy | verify it makes it onto the bridge | 19:48 |
| vishy | and onto the compute host | 19:48 |
| vishy | etc. | 19:48 |
| vishy | keep dumping interfaces until you see it disappear | 19:48 |
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| gnu111 | vishy: when I ping the eth1 address i see stuff in tcpdump but nothing when I ping the other address. | 19:49 |
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| vishy | aha! | 19:50 |
| vishy | so it sounds like you have an issue in your router config then | 19:50 |
| gnu111 | vishy: when I ping from the controller node. it responds to the ping but nothing on the dump. | 19:50 |
| vishy | packets aren't actually getting to the controller on that ip | 19:51 |
| gnu111 | ok. | 19:51 |
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| vishy | if you fix that part, the rest should work :) | 19:51 |
| gnu111 | vishy: ok. is it using the route add to fix this? | 19:52 |
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| rwsu | hi, I have a question on hardware requirements: http://docs.openstack.org/cactus/openstack-compute/admin/content/compute-system-requirements.html | 19:53 |
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| rwsu | 2x2TB disks is listed for volume storage, is that the bare minimum, or is there a smaller size one could get by in a dev environment? | 19:54 |
| annegentle | rwsu: absolutely, those are suggestions for deployment | 19:55 |
| annegentle | rwsu: not for a dev enviroment. | 19:55 |
| vishy | rwsu: i test on a dev vm with about 30G disk :) | 19:55 |
| annegentle | "minimum production deployment" | 19:55 |
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| susanb | hi everyone | 19:56 |
| rwsu | I see, what's the size of a vm image? | 19:57 |
| susanb | have a quick usecase question for swift, can anybody help? TIA | 19:57 |
| vishy | rwsu: depends. We have a tiny one for testing that is about 25mb | 19:57 |
| notmyname | susanb: ask away | 19:57 |
| susanb | we're looking to build a large, distributed video trasncoding solution. Currently the arch is to ship gigantic files back & forth from NAS to transcoders and back again. | 19:58 |
| susanb | arch kinda sucks therefore | 19:58 |
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| susanb | i was curious whether instead of shipping huge mezzanine quality video to/from, we can instead send a VM containing software to where the data lives | 19:59 |
| susanb | is this something nova/swift can help with or is this a bad application? | 19:59 |
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| notmyname | susanb: a great application, but perhaps not yet. swift and nova don't currently work together to have compute near the storage. several people are working on stuff like this, but it's not done now | 20:00 |
| notmyname | susanb: but for just the storage, that is a great use case for swift | 20:00 |
| susanb | hmm... ok. | 20:00 |
| susanb | but what happens when a transcoder attempts to access a media file? | 20:01 |
| rwsu | vishy, annegentle: thanks, that's helpful, trying to size a hardware order | 20:01 |
| susanb | whatever's local will be local but whatever's remote will be shipped over the LAN? | 20:01 |
| susanb | transparent to the transcoder? | 20:01 |
| susanb | right now we're severely IO bound from the NAS | 20:01 |
| notmyname | susanb: right now you'd have to accept the data going over the network between a swift cluster and a nova cluster. a long-term ideal would be to have nova spawn a VM on the same box where the data is living | 20:02 |
| notmyname | susanb: IO bound by disk or by network? | 20:02 |
| susanb | network | 20:02 |
| susanb | rather... both! | 20:02 |
| susanb | network we can fix I think (RDMA or Infiniband or smth similar) | 20:03 |
| susanb | disk IO is more difficult | 20:03 |
| notmyname | susanb: depending on why you are limited, the swift architecture may be able to allow you to have higher throughput in and out of your storage cluster | 20:03 |
| susanb | (or 10G ethernet even) | 20:03 |
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| notmyname | swift scales horizontally as the cluster grows and is designed to handle many streams at once | 20:03 |
| susanb | but even the in future, a large file will be spread out throughout the cluster, right? | 20:04 |
| susanb | or does swift have a notion where it "clusters" a given file geograhically closer? pieces closer to each other? | 20:04 |
| chrism | so seeing what vishy was talking abotu earlier, I ran some traces on SSH connections to the instance from my workstation. I can see the instance respond with the SSH banner, but the responses never make it past the nova-network host | 20:05 |
| notmyname | susanb: data is spread across the cluster, but each object is stored as one file on disk | 20:05 |
| chrism | any ideas? | 20:05 |
| susanb | what if file exceeds the disk space? | 20:05 |
| notmyname | susanb: the objects are limited* to 5GB (*just a constant in the code). but it's possible to tie many objects together into one logical object | 20:06 |
| notmyname | susanb: so split your 100GB file into 100 1GB chunks and tie them together into one logical object | 20:06 |
| susanb | who does the splitting? | 20:06 |
| susanb | swift itself? | 20:06 |
| notmyname | susanb: the client | 20:07 |
| notmyname | susanb: (but we provide a smart client that can do it for you) | 20:07 |
| chrism | are there outbound iptables rules that need to be in place for an instance to send a response packet? | 20:07 |
| notmyname | susanb: more advantages of splitting objects are that you can upload and download the parts concurrently | 20:08 |
| susanb | as long as i dont have to do the splitting myself that's ok i guess | 20:08 |
| susanb | i was thinking of HDFS type setup where HDFS chunks the file by itself | 20:08 |
| leob | sounds like something for hadoop ? | 20:08 |
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| susanb | leob: exactly... that's what i'm more familiar with | 20:08 |
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| susanb | but will hadoop allow me to send compute to where the data is? | 20:09 |
| leob | that is the idea of hadoop and hdfs | 20:09 |
| leob | it tries to optimize for data locality | 20:09 |
| susanb | basically, i'm looking f or a way to avoid footballing 100gb files back & forth | 20:09 |
| leob | fits the bill for you if you ask me | 20:09 |
| susanb | that's what i'm starting to think also.. | 20:10 |
| leob | well you need to upload your files into hdfs once and download them once processed | 20:10 |
| susanb | sure | 20:10 |
| leob | what kind of processing you need to do on the video files? | 20:11 |
| susanb | we get super HQ quality from studios | 20:11 |
| susanb | ProRes 4444 type files | 20:11 |
| susanb | and we need to transcode in a large variety | 20:11 |
| susanb | h.264/webm | 20:11 |
| susanb | flash | 20:11 |
| susanb | mobile, etc.. | 20:11 |
| susanb | standard HD for consumers.. | 20:12 |
| leob | well yes it sounds like something for hadoop | 20:12 |
| susanb | ok.. thank you everybody VERY MUCH. | 20:13 |
| leob | large scale parallellizable massive batch file processing that's really the thing for hadoop | 20:13 |
| chrism | anyone in here knowledgable about nova-network? | 20:16 |
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| chrism | lol | 20:21 |
| chrism | mind if i bug you for a minute on this routing issue I'm seeing since a reboot this morning of the network controller? | 20:21 |
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| vishy | sure | 20:22 |
| chrism | long story made super short. 3 servers. 2 compute/volume nodes, 1 network/scheduler/api. Vlan networking config. eth1 on all boxes are tied to trunk ports, eth0 are the "public" ips of th emachines. | 20:23 |
| chrism | This was working fine until a reboot on the controller this morning | 20:23 |
| vishy | what isn't working anymore | 20:23 |
| vishy | controller has ip_forward set? | 20:24 |
| chrism | i can ping an instance, and get a response. When I try to SSH, I can see the packets get to the instance, and the instance reply back with the SSH banner. The banner makes it to the nova-network controller, but the response packets never make it past there | 20:24 |
| chrism | yes | 20:24 |
| chrism | root@os-controller:~# cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward | 20:24 |
| chrism | 1 | 20:24 |
| vishy | are you pinging over floating ip? | 20:24 |
| chrism | fixed IP | 20:24 |
| vishy | are you running trunk code? | 20:24 |
| chrism | if I tie a floating IP to it, it's fine | 20:24 |
| chrism | nah, not trunk | 20:25 |
| chrism | whatever ubuntu ships now under stable | 20:25 |
| vishy | so where are you pinging from? | 20:25 |
| chrism | but yeah, if I assign a floating IP, I can route to that just fine, ssh into the instance, etc | 20:25 |
| chrism | workstation here at the office | 20:25 |
| chrism | we have multiple vlans which can route between eachother | 20:25 |
| vishy | and that machine is using the controller as the gateway for the fixed range? | 20:26 |
| chrism | yes | 20:26 |
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| chrism | well actually tbh i'm not 100% sure | 20:26 |
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| chrism | =\ | 20:27 |
| chrism | I believe so, yes. | 20:27 |
| vishy | so it should be ipconntracking the connection on the controller | 20:28 |
| vishy | can you make sure you can ping your workstation from controller | 20:28 |
| vishy | maybe it has no route back | 20:28 |
| chrism | yeah from the controller back is fine | 20:28 |
| chrism | from the compute/volume nodes, i can ping/connect back to the workstation fine | 20:29 |
| vishy | on the ip that it is showing the packets coming from? | 20:29 |
| vishy | so probably your traffic is getting snatted to the public ip | 20:29 |
| chrism | I have seen a few odd instances of the public ip fo the controller responding back | 20:30 |
| vishy | and if you have routing rules set up, you don't really want that traffic to be snatted | 20:30 |
| chrism | I should open up the snaplength and see if those are the packets i'm expecting | 20:30 |
| chrism | hrm | 20:30 |
| vishy | so there is a flag to skip snatting to range | 20:30 |
| chrism | oh yeah/ | 20:30 |
| chrism | er ? | 20:30 |
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| vishy | dmz_cidr | 20:31 |
| chrism | aah gotcha | 20:31 |
| vishy | which will tell nova-network not to snat packets to that cidr | 20:31 |
| chrism | I'll give that a shot | 20:31 |
| vishy | you might try that | 20:31 |
| vishy | kill nova network flush tables | 20:31 |
| vishy | and restart | 20:31 |
| chrism | k | 20:32 |
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| leob | just installed latest Openstack version using "nova.sh branch/nova.sh install" with USE_GIT=0, but still getting django_openstack.auth:Error authenticating Unauthorized (HTTP 401) when trying to log into Dashboard while i'm sure that user/pwd must be right, does anyone have an idea how i could go about analyzing the problem? look in certain logfiles, try to log details of the service request (keystone?) which dashboard is issuing when | 20:33 |
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| leob | just looking, i might change something in keystone/etc/logging.cnf to get more detailed logging | 20:36 |
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| Archeron | just a request for opinions: Is crowbar worth looking into further? | 20:39 |
| jtanner | Archeron, if you are a 100% dell hardware shop, yes | 20:43 |
| jtanner | and 100% ubuntu | 20:43 |
| chrism | vishy: that did it! For what it's worth, i have zero idea how this was working before the reboot this morning | 20:44 |
| chrism | =P | 20:44 |
| chrism | I've never seen taht dmz_cidr option before | 20:44 |
| chrism | lol | 20:44 |
| chrism | but thank you very much. :) | 20:44 |
| vishy | hehe | 20:44 |
| vishy | yw | 20:44 |
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| andyb | Hi, need help solving installation problem. See http://paste.openstack.org/show/2261/ | 20:54 |
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| Archeron | jtanner, 100% dell... just dell or do I need to be 100% C-series gear as well? | 20:55 |
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| jtanner | Archeron, dunno | 20:59 |
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| chrism | so vishy, that works for about 1 minute and then my connection to the instance locks up. =\ | 21:01 |
| chrism | lol | 21:01 |
| vishy | orly? | 21:01 |
| vishy | ssh? | 21:01 |
| chrism | yeah | 21:01 |
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| vishy | do you have mega amounts of traffic? | 21:01 |
| chrism | should I disperse that dmz option to the nova.conf on the compute nodes as well? | 21:01 |
| chrism | nah | 21:01 |
| chrism | not at all right now | 21:01 |
| vishy | you might need to update nfconntrack limit | 21:01 |
| vishy | chrism: computes shouldn't need it | 21:01 |
| chrism | k, it's the default 65k value now | 21:02 |
| chrism | hr but net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_count is only at 124 | 21:03 |
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| vishy | chrism: nasty, not sure why it would be blowing up | 21:04 |
| chrism | yeah tbh i'm kind of lost here right now | 21:04 |
| chrism | this has been fine for like a week until this reboot | 21:05 |
| chrism | lol | 21:05 |
| chrism | mind if I do the generic pasting of configs/iptables rules/routes and see if you can spot something that maybe I'm missing? | 21:06 |
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| reed | chrism, you can use http://paste.openstack.org/ | 21:08 |
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| chrism | sure thing | 21:08 |
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| chrism | vishy: http://paste.openstack.org/show/2263/ | 21:11 |
| chrism | or whoever wants to take a stab at it | 21:11 |
| chrism | =P | 21:11 |
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| JoeJulian | I'm following the "3.5. Installing OpenStack Compute on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6" guide for the first time. I'm going to follow the directions for this first test verbatim but I presume this data can be stored in other data stores instead, right? | 21:22 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #832369 in nova "glance/keystone integration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832369 | 21:26 |
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| bsza | Can anyone one tell me the swift superadmin account:user under swauth? tnx | 22:05 |
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| fcarsten | Trying to install Swift 1.4.3 by following http://swift.openstack.org/howto_installmultinode.html . End up with 1.2 being installed :-(. What am I doing wrong? | 23:11 |
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| JoseBravo | Hello | 23:22 |
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| JoseBravo | I just installed the OpenStack and created an instance, I assgined one IP but I can't ping or ssh it. How can I check what is wrong with it? | 23:23 |
| JoseBravo | I also tried to ping from the controller and it's not respondig.. | 23:23 |
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| kpepple_ | JoseBravo: a few ideas ... | 23:26 |
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| kpepple_ | JoseBravo: look in your /var/log/nova/nova-compute.log and make sure it actually booted | 23:27 |
| kpepple_ | JoseBravo: make sure you opened up the correct security group settings if you launched it with euca-tools | 23:27 |
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| kpepple_ | JoseBravo: make sure you set up networking with nova-manage | 23:28 |
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| JoseBravo | kpepple_, in the log file it appears to start ok, and with euca-describe-instances it show is running | 23:29 |
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| JoseBravo | kpepple_, I lanched with euca-tools but I gave SSH and ICMP to the group "default" | 23:30 |
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| kpepple_ | JoseBravo: does it have a public, routable IP address ? | 23:36 |
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| JoseBravo | kpepple_, yes | 23:41 |
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| kpepple_ | JoseBravo: hmmmm ... what do you get with a euca-get-console ? | 23:50 |
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| JoseBravo | wget: cant't connect to remote host 169.254.169.254 Network is unreachable | 23:59 |
| JoseBravo | kpepple_, it's the error I'm getting | 23:59 |
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