Thursday, 2012-02-02

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deshantm_Ownage: XenServer needs nova installed in a domU (guest)00:24
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Ownagedeshantm, thanks00:34
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deshantmOwnage: there is a devstack script for XenServer00:35
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OwnageI've never used openstack before. I'm interested in setting up an environment which uses xenserver to host the compute vms. what's the best place to start?00:42
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deshantmOwnage: the wiki is fine and may teach you some things that you may or may not pick up using devstack00:43
deshantmdevstack should *just work*00:43
Ownagewhat is devstack00:44
Ownage"a documented shell script to build complete OpenStack development environments" - oh00:44
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OwnageI like it when the front page on a website actually tells you something useful right off the bat00:44
Ownagecan you tell me what the difference is between a devel environ and a prod in this context?00:44
Ownagein other words why is it saying it's for making development environments?00:45
deshantmthe devstack scripts runs everything in screen sessions00:45
deshantmyou wouldn't want to do that in production00:45
deshantmdevstack also pulls from the tip of trunk00:45
OwnageI already will have dedicated hardware available for development00:45
deshantmalso not recommended for production00:45
OwnageI'd prefer to set up how it will actually be, in my case00:46
OwnageI'll sift through the wiki, thanks00:46
deshantmOwnage: I plan to be around a bit and have some experience with OpenStack + Xen if you have more questions00:47
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OwnageI have lots and lots =] so whatever you have patience for00:59
deshantmfeel free00:59
deshantmlikely I'll be building images most of the time using devstack01:00
OwnageI'm very familiar with sys/networks, unix/linux/win, storage etc. so don't need groundworks info. I'm not very familiar with the various cloud software stacks01:00
deshantmwe are porting the xen scripts to work directly on top of Ubuntu/Debian with the XCP toolstack installed01:00
Ownagemy first Q is: what does this provide you exactly? clustered computations, but on what level exactly01:01
Ownagefor example could you.. install photoshop on all compute nodes and they all share the load? or is this for small jobs split up with an api? or..?01:01
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deshantmOwnage: are you familar with Amazon EC2 or Rackspace Cloud?01:02
Ownageamazon ec2 is like a pay-per cycle compute cluster from what I gather01:03
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Ownagethough I don't know the resolution of that exactly01:03
deshantmOpenStack is basically an open source, open everything version of EC2, S3, etc.01:04
deshantmare you familiar with the history of OpenStack?01:05
deshantmRackspace and NASA, etc.01:05
uvirtbotNew bug: #925236 in openstack-ci "git scm module in jenkins should work better with gerrit" [Undecided,New]
Ownageno I'm not01:06
deshantmah ok, I'm sure you can read about it on the wiki, but I can help too some01:06
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deshantmOpenStack was founded when Rackspace and NASA both needed a cloud system01:08
deshantmRackspace opensourced their production cloud storage swift01:08
Ownagecloud storage meaning clustered storage?01:09
deshantmand NASA open sourced their compute cloud software (I think it was called Nebula) and the code name for it is Nova01:09
deshantmits object storage01:09
deshantmintended to be high scalable01:09
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Ownageojbect storage?01:10
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OwnageI guess what I'm missing here is what does it DO? =]01:10
deshantmOwnage: you should probably read the swift intro pages01:11
Ownageblob means what, a file in a database?01:11
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deshantmOwnage: that is out of context and to be honest I haven't read up on swift all that much myself yet01:13
deshantmI can take a look though01:13
deshantmwhere are you referring to?01:14
Ownagejust looking at the overview of swift architecture01:14
Ownagewhich seems to be the intro you mean01:14
Ownage"The Object Server is a very simple blob storage server that can store, retrieve and delete objects stored on local devices"01:14
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Blackavar1Binary Large Object is the origin of blob.01:15
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Ownageso it means a "large" file such as a video01:15
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Blackavar1Image, video, etc, can all be in blobs - it's a database term.01:16
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Ownagevan be IN blobs?01:16
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Blackavar1Blob type, though I'm not the one to answer on the exact implementation. Think database data types.01:18
Ownageso normally you might have an int field and then a blob field that is some kind of pointer or reference to a file? (or the actual file)01:18
Ownageso then this object server is a database?01:19
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Blackavar1Simpler than databases you're probably used to, but basically a simple one, or part of what you may think of as one.01:22
deshantm"Each object is stored using a path derived from the object name’s hash and the operation’s timestamp"  -
Blackavar1If you've dealt with any of the key-value stores before, that's closer.01:23
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Ownageis there a more intro-ey intro than this?01:26
OwnageI still don't know what the software does01:26
deshantmThere is docs.openstack.org01:27
deshantmvarious manuals and books available there01:27
notmynameOwnage: swift provides scalable, durable, and cheap storage for static, unstructured data (ie files)01:27
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Ownageswift does01:28
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Ownageand this is a part of what openstack is?01:29
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Blackavar1You've worked with VMs? A "cloud" like OpenStack is basically VMs on demand, tools to manage and report on those VMs, and some additional tools.01:30
Blackavar1(very simplified, of course)01:30
Ownageok, so there is no real connection between each vm then01:31
notmynameOwnage: openstack provides the foundational pieces of a "cloud". that is, data compute, data storage, and data delivery01:31
Ownagethey aren't a cluster in otherwords01:31
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notmynameBlackavar1: that's what nova does01:31
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notmynameOwnage: the goal of openstack is to provide these tools in an open manner (open source, open design/development, open community) in order to make it available to everyone and allow for data and workload portability01:32
Blackavar1notmyname: *nod*01:32
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notmynameOwnage: nova provides a way to manage and deploy VMs across a large cluster of physical host machines (and manage the network and HDD connectivity to them)01:33
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Ownagehow does it determine when a vm is needed?01:33
Blackavar1I was including Glance, Swift, and RabbitMQ in "additional tools".01:34
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notmynameOwnage: it exposes an API that the client uses to ask for VMs01:34
Ownagethe client being a client program or a client customer? =]01:34
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Blackavar1You can then use a tool like Chef or Puppet to manage configuration for those nodes(VMs).01:35
notmynameBlackavar1: yeah, I get touchy about that characterization ;-)01:35
Ownageof course I can01:35
notmynameOwnage: yes. either. there is no difference since they both use the same API01:35
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Ownageso far my understanding of openstack is that it can spin up vms and has some kind of file server01:36
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BlackavarThe management and reporting tools are helpful, as well.01:38
OwnageI feel like I'm missing something01:38
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notmynamewell, swift isn't a file server.... but you're getting there :-)01:39
Ownageit would take me about ~ 2 days to have a decent vm-up-spinning script that based its needs on current utilization and/or availability of services01:39
Ownageand there are already lots of distributed filesystems01:39
notmynameOwnage: perhaps scale? openstack components are designed to work at very large scale. so nova can manage tens of thousands of physical hosts. swift can manage petabytes of data01:39
OwnageI see01:40
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BlackavarWhat part? The magical "cloud" that has so much buzz? Cloud's a marketing name, not a free lunch, but it takes a lot of preexisting concepts and makes them work logically together.01:40
Ownagewhat part of what01:41
notmynameI can more accurately talk about swift01:41
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BlackavarThat was to the "I feel like I'm missing something".01:41
Ownagemissing something about what other things openstack can do01:42
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Ownagewhat is the swift aspect used for? and more to the point, what does it do or provide that a filesystem doesn't01:43
OwnageI'm not knocking openstack guys, I just literally don't know what it does01:43
Ownageand there's a lot of vague buzzwords around town, so it's difficult for me. "cloud" doesn't mean anything anymore really01:43
Ownageor rather I should say it has too many definitions for me to understand exactly what is meant by it01:44
notmynamesince swift isn't a filesystem, it can relax some constraints (like POSIX compliance). so swift can provide storage more cheaply and more simply than a similarly sized filesystem01:44
Ownagebut doesn't it have to lie on that filesystem anyway?01:45
Ownageor is it literally a database01:45
notmynameI think "cloud" in the terms of openstack means large scale and rapid provisioning. "utility billing" would be up to an individual provider01:46
Ownagewhat is a use case for openstack01:46
Ownagelike, a customer has a webpage and he can say 'spin me up another vm'?01:47
notmynamenot quite. who does that customer ask for the new vm?01:47
notmynamethe vms would be provided by some service provider01:47
notmyname(like Rackspace or AWS)01:48
BlackavarOkay, here's a use case, which I'll have to be a little vague about due to NDA:01:48
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notmynameor the service provider could even be your company's IT department01:48
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BlackavarImagine a system that indexes internal company information and searches it, written by an external company.01:49
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BlackavarThe normal load is "x", so the usual system design is a load balancer, two frontend nodes, two cache nodes, a primary and secondary DB, and a single indexer node.01:50
BlackavarSelling this system in hardware means a certain set of boxes with a certain capacity.01:51
notmynameOwnage: here's a use case for swift. wikipedia. they have a ton of static content (all the images and other media files). the total size of that data grows without bound, and they need to store it cheaply (they're a non-profit), reliably (they're an authority for lots of people), and with high availability (they're on of the most trafficed web sites in the world01:51
notmynameOwnage: so they can use a swift cluster to store all their media files01:51
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BlackavarHowever, when a new one is sold, the customer wants to index all of their existing data, let's say that's 30x load for a month.01:53
notmynameOwnage: for nova, they have to handle HA and high load and they have different usage patterns throughout the day. they can have one large cluster of physicals hosts and use nova to dynamically provision VMs for web servers or media transcoding or whatever as needed01:53
notmynameI gotta run, but I should be available later tonight or tomorrow01:54
BlackavarWith IaaS, (OpenStack plus say Chef) one can provision, manage, and keep records of the extra nodes as needed. If more cache is needed for a surprisingly heavy search load, cache nodes are a matter of a one-line command to bring up, and records of time used are kept.01:55
uvirtbotNew bug: #925237 in nova "admin_password is not set if no agent_build record exists" [High,In progress]
BlackavarThe rapid scaling, management, and flexibility are a huge benefit.01:57
OwnageI see interesting01:57
Ownageso this can replace the work of having them ask their it or managed hosting company to spin up new vms, config them, etc01:57
Ownagesounds like you have to use dhcp in the case you're describing01:58
BlackavarSo, the company providing the indexing service needs less hardware, the billing can be more granular, and things end up more efficient.01:58
BlackavarAh, the networking is also part of OpenStack, plus you have some additional tools available as well.01:59
Ownageare you saying it will configure the networking of the vms?02:00
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BlackavarOpenStack plus the Chef recipes, yes. I see that someone asked you about whether you'd seen AWS. Most of the same principles apply.02:03
OwnageI've never used any 3p 'cloud' solutions, which is part of my struggle to understand02:04
OwnageI'm extremely proficient with xenserver; I've written several quite useful api-based apps, as well as have been running many pools since 4.x02:05
OwnageI've also of course used quite a lot of vmware, virtualbox. not much zones, or hyper-v or kvm02:05
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OwnageI've worked at a managed web hosting company for quite some time; we used xenserver to deal with spinning up and down vms, as a close-to-realtime solution02:06
Ownageit would not be a difficult task for me to make a web interface which allows you to down and up vms, and all the rest of the configuration you're talking about can be done with dhcp, puppet.02:06
Ownagecan you tell me a little bit more about the swift product?02:07
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Ownagewhere does storage come into play in this scenario?02:07
Ownageand why is it that abandoning posix would allow you more storage space?02:07
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BlackavarNot necessarily more, but easier to work with from the client side. Think about what you'd need to write to build a key-value store that points to files and allows finding them. Now make it scale across clusters.02:09
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Ownageyou would need cassandradb and a decent custom middleware, I'm thinking02:12
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BlackavarNow add tools to manage those. It's not magic, just a set of scalable tools. Yes, it would be possible to build them, but it'd be a little more difficult task than a few days of scripting, particularly when scaling to large systems.02:13
Ownageso it sounds like swift isn't required for the use case you described, it sounds like swift is a related but different project02:14
BlackavarSwift would be helpful, but not necessary, for the application as I described it. Add backup of the original data, and swift helps rather a lot.02:16
Ownagethe original data being what? the vms?02:17
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BlackavarInternal company data that was being indexed…there's where I run up against NDA, though. However, detail probably isn't necessary to find ways that could be applied.02:18
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Ownagethanks guys02:21
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BlackavarI know of another company that uses MapReduce on demand from AWS. They don't have to maintain the hardware when they don't need it, just the storage.02:22
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Ownagedoes swift have data center awareness02:39
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notmynameOwnage: sort of but not really. swift has the concept of "zones" which are left up to the deployer to define. most clusters that I know of are local to a given geographic region (but it could be several DCs in one region). swift is untested AFAIK in a one-logical-cluster-spannin-a-wide-geographic-area use case. it will probably work, but there are also probably areas in the code that can be made better for that use case02:42
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notmynamebut, in fact, I was just talking to a potential deployer today who was talking about the need to make the concept of zones better in swift. it's something I'd like to see addressed in the next several months02:44
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OwnageI'm interested in this project actually for a different reason than the overall openstack02:47
Ownagewe have need for databases and storage to exist in several locations at the same time, and having quite an interesting time architecting that02:47
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Ownagecurrently the thought is to use cassandra for the database, which should allow for sharding and other ways to point to local data02:48
Ownagehowever the storage is a bit more of a conventional, cron'd sync type of thing, as this is mostly wan and not dark fiber02:48
Ownagepotentially a zfs send/receive02:48
Ownagemost of these are large media files02:49
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CaptTofuhi all03:02
CaptTofuanyone know a quick way to see the usage of a user?03:02
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uvirtbotNew bug: #850464 in horizon "Suspend/Resume a VM instance" [High,Confirmed]
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livemoonping Kiall03:25
uvirtbotNew bug: #925259 in horizon "Can't reboot a server that is in shutdown state" [Undecided,New]
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livemoonhi, If I install libvirt via source, how does I make openstack's python binding can use libvirt03:46
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925278 in nova "nova-api will not run (some change in trunk PPA over past 48hrs)" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925281 in nova "Backslash continuations (, nova.scheduler)" [Wishlist,Triaged]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925286 in nova "Backslash continuations (nova.api.openstack)" [Wishlist,Triaged]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925284 in nova "Backslash continuations (nova.db.sqlalchemy)" [Wishlist,Triaged]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925283 in nova "Backslash continuations (nova.virt)" [Wishlist,Triaged]
uvirtbotNew bug: #925285 in nova "Backslash continuations (nova.tests)" [Wishlist,Triaged]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925348 in nova "race condition when deleting VMs on Quantum Manager" [Undecided,New]
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corXiHi Guys, I was wondering if anyone in here has some experience knowledge on how swift and glance communication should work using keystone. I'm running swift 1.4.5 (also tried using latest git build), glance trunk and keystone trunk versions.... I'm able to upload files to swift using swift cli tools, and explicitely stating it to use auth-version 2... All goes well... Also the communication from glance with keystone is working fine... When, for example, I'm i10:14
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corXiThe exact error can be seen here: ... You'll notice the first keystone auth seems to go just fine, but when it tries to authenticate to swift, something goes wrong when parsing an URL (URL == none), and it crashes10:20
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925372 in quantum "Remove deprecated webob attributes in Quantum API" [Undecided,New]
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uksysadmincorXi, I've had problems getting Glance, Keystone and Swift all working in tandem.  Currently I've got Keystone + Glance working, but Swift working with tempauth (and Glance configured to use these tempauth credentials).  I'll be interested if you find the magic combo of packages to get that going too.10:27
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oneiroiSwitch needs keystone middleware to work iirc10:29
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corXioneiroi: tnx, I'll give that a shot :)10:31
oneiroiyw :)10:32
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925395 in horizon "Inconsistent logic for Pause/Suspend action buttons" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #826987 in quantum "Quantum unit tests fail with some versions of webob" [Low,Invalid]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925429 in keystone "AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'DEFINE_string'" [Undecided,New]
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Davieyajaxconsole is deprecated for esex, no?12:14
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925456 in nova "firewall: setup_basic_filtering() and prepare_instance_filter() can be merged" [Low,New]
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corXioneiroi: Thanks a lot, I think I've got everything working now... one more question though, something remains a bit unclear regarding the keystone integration... Since both glance and swift can talk to keystone, why does one need to specify a swift_store_user and swift_store_key13:44
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corXione would think, the user token supplied at the time of running glance add, could be used by glance to upload the image to swift, right now it looks like it validates the token the user supplies to glance to see if you're allowed to do something, after which it uses the swift_store_user and swift_store_key from the glance config to upload to swift :S13:46
oneiroicorXi: my memory is a bit hazy _but_ this is the local cache of the token13:46
oneiroisuch that swift is not polling keystone untill the token expires13:47
oneiroiI _may_ be wrong13:47
oneiroithat way glance can talk to swift without contantly going via keystone13:48
oneiroito auth13:48
corXioneiroi, So basically, I should create a glance user in keystone with a glance password.... Set this up in swift, and give this user admin right... This account will always be used by glance to upload stuff to swift.... But the whole access right stuff is being done using keystone on a per user basis?13:49
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oneiroias I recall keystone is just an authentication service it provides a token to say "this user has logged in", ACL's per service are controlled at each service level, I am unsure if keystone can be used to define the ACL's for glance and swift respectivly13:51
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corXioneiroi, okay so if I understand correct: both services use keystone to see if an user can or cannot do something, but the actual action of doing something (say transferring an item through glance to swift) is done by a fixed configurred user which acts on behalf of the requesting user....13:55
oneiroicorXi: as I understand it, both services talk to keystone to authenticate the user, but each service checks what that user can or can not do (via ACL aka Access Control List)13:56
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praefectanyone has an environment where both  keystone AND ec2 (eucatools) are used to launch instances?13:59
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mjforkpraefect: yes14:13
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betodalasHello all, I have a question. I´m trying to use nova-volume, but don´t works. Do I need to create the lvm on Controller or Nodes?14:13
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mjforkbetodalas: on the node running nova-volumes14:16
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praefectmjfork: I have keystone+dashboard 100%, on the EC2 front, all I'M missing is the launch instance, there seems to be a problem with the auto-assignation of public IPs (which I use).  During a euca-run I get RemoteError: ApiError Address (floating ip here) is not allocated14:17
praefectI tried pre-allocating it to the project and different stuff like that but it just fails14:17
mjforkpraefect: does launch w/o using euca work?14:18
praefectno problem... only in euca14:18
jeroenhnmjfork: You helped me greatly getting the networking on my Openstack running, especially on my first node. Thanks much for that!  However, I do have a second compute node, as explained in the quick start guide, and although instances that are running there are getting an IP, those are unaccesable and they can't fetch their meta data. Any hints?14:18
mjforkpraefect: pastebin the error you get when running euca14:18
mjforkjeroenhn: what networking type?14:18
praefectmjfork: will do14:19
jeroenhnBasically I followed every step in the guide. The only difference was the minor change in the databse you suggested, where bridge interface now points to eth114:19
mjforkjeroenhn: is your switch properly configured for VLANs?14:20
praefectmjfork: I use multi_host=F for now as it is still buggy regarding dhcp release when using auto_allocation14:20
praefectmjfork: do you use auto-allocation of floating IPs?14:20
jeroenhnI do have VLANs configured on that switch.  Could I try using a direct cable between the two servers?14:20
mjforkpraefect: does it work with auto assign turned off?14:21
praefectmjfork: I could try.. gimme 5 minutes14:21
mjforkjeroenhn: have you verified VLAN works between hosts?14:22
jeroenhnWell, I can ping the two servers from each other and SSH into it. Other than that, I'm not quite sure what I can do14:22
mjforkare those interface vlaned?14:23
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mjforkthat you are pinging/sshing on?14:24
jeroenhnDoesn't look like it,  it's eth1, but it has no IP info14:24
jeroenhnlet me past you an ifconfig -a14:24
mjforkjeroenhn: is this on guest or host?14:25
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praefectmjfork: I do have the exact same error with auto_assign turned off, the thing is, it assigns a floating ip anyway (and it is OFF in the log file for this restart)14:26
praefectmjfork: I mean if I launch an instance with horizon, with auto_assign_floating_ip=false on both controller and compute node, it will still get a floating IP!14:27
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mjforkjeroenhn: cat /prox/net/vlan/config14:28
praefectmjfork: disregard my last comment, logging out of horizon fixed this, it now does NOT assign a floating ip with auto_assign = false14:28
mjforkso horizon can provision new VMs ok, now try euca14:28
praefectmjfork: euca fails with the same error (floating IP is not allocated)14:29
jeroenhngives no such fule or directory on both the server with everything and the extra compute node14:29
praefectso it DOES try to associate a floating IP, it's pretty clear from the logs14:29
mjforkhave you search answers & bugs @ luanchpad?14:29
praefecteuca does14:29
praefectyes I did14:29
mjforkdo you have an old eucarc or something14:29
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jeroenhnoops, there was a type14:30
jeroenhntypo even14:30
jeroenhnboth say vlan100 on eth114:31
praefectmjfork, I don't have much, the thing is I'm relying on keystone so I'm not even creating projects and users using nova-manage (like in a real euca env)... I'm creating users and tenants and then creating a EC2 credential, should I duplicate my projects and users using nova-manage project/user ?14:32
mjforkpraefect: no, what release are you on? diablo? essex ?14:33
praefectgood question, I think it's diablo... nova-manage says 2011.314:33
mjforkpraefect: yes, that is diablo14:34
mjforkpraefect: not sure why euca is trying to auto allocate, i have not seen that behavior anywhere else.14:35
praefectallright, will continue looking, thanks for your help, at least I know it should work...14:36
mjforkpraefect: why do you need auto allocate vs allowing users to allocate  themselvse?14:36
praefectI need auto-allocation anywway14:36
praefectyeah I definitely need auto-allocation here14:36
praefectI realize it's not like that for everybody14:36
praefectcause this feature is buggy from the start14:37
mjforkpraefect: do you auto allocation + euca? can you stick wtih just nova command?14:39
mjforkdo you NEED that is14:39
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praefectmjfork: the problem is, developers here are building stuff using EC2 API, so I need to be able to server those requests, before we were 100% ec2 but we're slowly moving towards a horizon environment for most uses BUT some tools use ec2 API.. so we need this too.. If only there was a standard API on top of this like delta-clodu or something..14:40
mjforkpraefect: ok, good to know.14:41
mjforklet me look @ code.14:41
praefectec2 is not really compatible with the openstack model and I'm starting to understand why it's being deprecated... we still need a standard API14:41
uvirtbotNew bug: #925496 in keystone "Roles controller 'add_role_to_user' API conflict" [Undecided,New]
uvirtbotNew bug: #925489 in nova "Test case test_block_external_addresses_validate_output_for_invalid_input fails on devstack installation" [Undecided,New]
mjforkpraefect: do you still have unassigned IPs?14:43
praefectwhat do you mean?14:43
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praefectI have a /25 and I use auto_assign, but I don't do anything else like allocation to the project or anything like that...14:44
praefectmaybe that's part of the problem...14:44
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praefectmjfork: I also notice that with this keystone+ec2 setup, if I do euca-allocate-address it is always the same address that is displayed14:45
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praefectmjfork: in my EC2 only setup, euca-allocate-address returns a different address everytime!14:46
praefectmjfork: we might be on to something: in my keystone+EC2 env, doing euca-allocate-address returns a QUOTA:1 in the nova-network log file14:47
praefectmaybe it's only a quota problem14:47
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jeroenhnmjfork: I've seen a few relevant issues on bugs & launchpad, mainly related to what I see on the guest that runs on the second node. If I look with euca-get-console, it can't access anything:14:59
jeroenhn2012-01-31 15:46:10,365 -[WARNING]:   15:46:10 [ 1/100]: url error [[Errno 101] Network is unreachable]14:59
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mjforkhave to lead a call...will follow up shortly14:59
jeroenhnFurthermore, strangely enoughh I have an error in syslog on the second compute node regarding dhcp. The instances do get an IP though14:59
mjforkjeroenhn: i have some idea, give me an hour14:59
mjforkpraefect: check your floating ips table and make sure you have unassigned addresses15:00
jeroenhnThanks, you rock.15:00
jeroenhndiablo-s2 dnsmasq-dhcp[1367]: DHCP packet received on br100 which has no address15:00
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jeroenhnI mght still be around in one hour, otherwise I'll try to catch you around next week. :)15:00
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dxd828are there any example networking configurations on networks with devices already on the same network such as desktops. Do you have to use CIDR? Im not fully sure on how to work it out.15:03
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cerberisi would like to know if Openstack has a S3 compatability's storage15:06
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alonswartzhey folks, we just announced TurnKey optimized builds for OpenStack (42 of 'em, more coming...). We're looking for feedback and suggestions for improvements.
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rackerhackerany docs laying around for enabling nova-api's admin api and how to talk to it with python-novaclient?15:17
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annegentlerackerhacker: hmmm, thinking15:21
rackerhackerannegentle: thanks... some stuff has changed since i last mucked with it and my feeble brain is failing me this morning ;)15:21
joesavak does ksl depend on python-keystoneclient? I get the following when running python develop:
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cerberisi would like to know if Openstack has a S3 compatability's storage15:24
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kbringardswift has an S3 API that has come compatibility15:25
heylukecarrierHi all, I'm a little confused over some options in the nova.conf file15:25
heylukecarrierShould we use --ec2_host, --ec2_api or --ec2_url to configure the compute API's URL? The documentation contradicts itself...?15:26
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annegentleheylukecarrier: ec2_host in the latest (someone else confirm) - but also paste in links for where the docs contradict please?15:29
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cerberiswhat is the fault tolerance mechanism of swift to permit a storage HA ?15:32
Spiriliscerberis: at the entrypoint into the cluster ("proxy server") you can have multiple proxy servers running concurrently, and load balance/fault tolerant them.  within the cluster, each piece of data is replicated 3 ways (per defaults) and every node has a "map" of where a piece of data will live (based on a subset of the md5 hash of the object)15:34
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annegentleheylukecarrier: plus you have to glue together ec2_host and ec2_port nowadays. You can do nova-api --help | grep ec2 to see the options15:34
Spirilisthat "map" is used to help identify & maintain the copies, both specifying where they go when an object is created and where they should be in the event of a ring rebalance or failure or something15:34
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Spirilisactually the "map" is properly known as the "ring"15:35
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cerberisworking like a RAID 5 mechanism if i can do this analogy15:36
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Spirilisnot really.  RAID5 sends chunks of data to different disks and parity-stripes them, this works more like RAID1 but replicated 3-ways instead of 215:37
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Spirilisit's space inefficient compared to raid5, but not such a big deal if you can use lots of cheap, slower disks15:38
Spirilisand the particular applications well suited for the swift environment (and Amazon's S3, which I suspect is implemented similarly) tends to be large files or archival stuff.  lots of write-once, read-many.  nothing transactional like a database...15:39
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cerberismade by a filesystem ?15:39
cerberislike gluster if you know ? i know we can do it15:40
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Spirilisnah, totally different.  Not meant to be treated like such a beast either15:40
Spirilisit's more like an FTP site than a general purpose filesystem.15:40
SpirilisI mean I guess there is really nothing stopping you from implementing an app that goes wild with swift calls, but you should consider running it on faster disks and making sure the network links are good15:41
Spirilisthere may be other things to tune, I'm not that intimately familiar with its code.15:42
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cerberisyou know replicated ways means to have just 50% of real storage15:43
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cerberisyou lose half space ..15:43
Spirilisyeah, or in this case, you lose 66% of space15:43
Spirilissince it's typically 3-way :-)15:43
SpirilisYou can change that when you create the rings I think15:43
Spirilisand make it only 2-way15:43
Spirilisbut that decision has to be made when the cluster's rings are first created15:43
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SpirilisThat type of architecture mainly makes sense when you're buying relatively cheap 2TB 7200rpm disks and lots of them and spreading them on lots of servers.... the space is a dime a dozen, and the scale makes performance problems less noticeable (unless you do treat it as a transactional data store)15:44
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spampelhi, i'm currently conducting some research on OpenStack Swift for a research project and found some behavior I do not understand. After serveral PUT requests with tiny Objects the folders continue to grow. Is that normal?15:46
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cerberisI haven't download swift yet but i would like to know how my SAN will be implement on the swift ? it need only one point mount ?15:51
Spirilisyou won't find a mountpoint from swift.15:52
Spirilisit's not like that15:52
Spirilisit's accessed with HTTP calls15:52
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cerberisand i would like to know to have a access to this storage there are just one URL to put in my software BACKUP that compatible with S3 API?15:53
Spirilisyou can install the swift software on your clients so they have a 'swift' command line tool to perform operations15:53
Spirilisand that would work kind've like an ftp client, or curl/wget, etc.15:53
heylukecarrierannegentle, thanks very much! The documentation tends to use a few different configuration options here:
Spirilisyeah it is just one URL though, the URL for the proxy server (or the load balancer front-ending a fleet of proxy servers)15:54
cerberisand my SAN is considered of many bricks that i can set up to my interface FRONTEND for the size and for the ACL user ?15:56
Spirilisnot sure what you mean there.  can you rephrase?15:57
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deshantmI know this is a silly question, but can someone humor me and tell me where devstack puts the logs for nova et. al. by default?15:59
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deshantmno such file16:01
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jeroenhnshould be a dir, but otherwise do a find on nova-compute.log16:01
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mjforkjeroenhn: i am back16:05
jeroenhnWelcome back :)16:06
jeroenhnI was just looking at the files in /var/lib/nova/networks16:06
mjforkpraefect: did you figure anything uot?16:06
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925546 in openstack-manuals "Update tutorial for use of ec2_host and ec2_port rather than --ec2_api in cloud tutorial in Compute Admin guide" [Undecided,New]
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jeroenhnSo to the best of my ability what I can figure out is that the 192.168.4. range, which is the dhcp start, isn't routable on the second compute node for some reason.16:13
mjforkis nova-network running there (it should not be)16:14
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jeroenhnNot running.16:14
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mjforkand it never has run?16:14
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jeroenhnI don't think it's installed on there16:15
mjforkcan you SSH to the VM from node2?16:15
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jeroenhnNo, no route to host16:16
mjforkthat means that port 22 isn't listening16:16
uvirtbotNew bug: #841980 in quantum "DB Error after Quantum server idle for a while" [Low,New]
mjforkip addr show | grep 16916:17
mjforkdo you see 169.254... bound?16:17
jeroenhnNo, not bound16:17
jeroenhnping says destination host unreachable16:17
uvirtbotNew bug: #925548 in keystone "ksl-get-root-no-body" [Undecided,New]
uvirtbotNew bug: #925550 in glance "updating metadata for an image loses custom Property" [Undecided,New]
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mjforkjeroenhn: in yuor environment, run # iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination $NOVA_API_IP:877316:20
jeroenhnOn the second compute node?16:20
mjforkyes, see
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mjfork Any server that does not have nova-api running on it needs this iptables entry so that UEC images can get metadata info.16:21
heylukecarrieranyone gotten euca2ools, keystone and nova to play nice?16:22
jeroenhnOk, done.16:22
jeroenhnI shall restart an image, since they are no longer trying to fetch metadata16:22
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cerberissomebody are of the official support ?16:24
mjforkheylukecarrier: yes16:24
jeroenhnOk, so the newly started images shows the same issues.16:25
heylukecarrierI have no idea what my novarc/openrc should look like with keystone/nova; anyone mind posting a sample? I could really do with seeing what format the vars should be16:25
jeroenhnip addr show | grep 169  <= this does show something on the control node byt16:25
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mjforkjeroenhn: you replace nova_api_ip with the right value?16:26
jeroenhnSo sorry16:26
jeroenhnIt's getting late.. Let me try again16:26
heylukecarriermjfork, I've got all of those variables defined and exported by my novarc (sourced it; they're set okay in my env), but the tools still complain16:27
heylukecarrier"2012-02-02 16:20:38,848 euca2ools [ERROR]:403 Forbidden"16:27
uvirtbotNew bug: #813994 in quantum "JSON APIs fail if request body is in incorrect format" [Low,Invalid]
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heyhoHello, I'm trying to use the noVnc console included in managedit git, but I always get a "Connect Timeout" error in novnc windows.. no matter which browser I use.. has anyone a clue?16:29
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mjforkheylukecarrier: pastebin the command, the output (using --debug) and the novarc16:30
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mjforkheyho: is that connecting to windows through novnc? does it work to a linux guest?16:30
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jeroenhnmjfork: still the same issue. Thanks again for your help so far, I really have to split right now. Is it cool if I try to catch you again next week about this?16:32
heyhomjfork it's connecting to an ubuntu instance actually.. and doing a classic tightvnc it works16:32
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mjforkjeroenhn: sure, come back anytmie.16:35
jeroenhnThanks so much. Have a good one :)16:35
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mjforkheyho: explain, novnc works to a ubuntu instance?  tightvnc is indepdent16:36
ppradhanAnybody has an idea why keystone-manage credentials list is throwing AttributeError?16:37
mjforkppradhan: whats the stack ttrace16:37
ppradhanmjfork: means?16:38
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ppradhanmjfork: here is the o/p
dolphm_ppradhan: are you using E3?16:39
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heyhonovnc doesn't work to the ubuntu instance (connect timeout error).. but, If I use tightVnc (from an external console: vncviewer compute-ip:0) I can view the ubuntu instance's login screen16:39
ppradhandolphm_: you mean essex by E3?16:39
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dolphm_ppradhan: yes, essex milestone 316:39
ppradhandolphm_: no.  its diablo from cloudbuilders16:40
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heylukecarriermjfork, here's the paste; seems my secret key isn't sent?
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mjforkppradhan: is it possible you have no credentials?16:41
dolphm_ppradhan: I'd recommend using either stable/diablo, the latest essex milestone, or trying out keystonelight -- cloudbuilders has shifted their focus on keystonelight and i don't believe the cloudbuilders snapshot of keystone is maintained16:41
ppradhanmjfork:  this is how I added
mjforkheyho, sounds like novnc is NOT configured right16:42
mjforki would check the daemon and config16:42
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dolphm_ppradhan: last commit on that snapshot was sept 30th :(16:42
mjforkheylukecarrier: whats your openrc file look like?16:42
heyhomjfork: the only thing I set for noVnc are into the nova.conf file..are there other config files for novnc?16:43
heylukecarriermjfork, rc file:
mjforkppradhan: i am sure that snapshot works16:43
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mjforkis your pass really <pass>?16:43
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mjforkheylukecarrier: and did you create ec2 credentials?16:44
mjforkheylukecarrier: like keystone-manage credentials add admin EC2 'admin:admin' %ADMIN_PASSWORD% admin16:44
ppradhandolphm_: I see ..16:44
ppradhanmjfork: ok16:44
dolphm_mjfork: his paste:
ppradhanmjfork: did I do something wrong while creating crediantials?16:45
mjforkdolphm_: whose post is that?16:45
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dolphm_mjfork: ppradhan's16:45
ppradhanmjfork: thats mine16:45
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SagarHi, installed openstack using devstack, then ran  the nova tests available in /opt/stack/nova   ./ -N16:47
Sagarafter rebooting the vm16:47
Sagarrunning ./stach.sh16:47
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Sagarresults in the following error16:47
heylukecarriermjfork, not at the time of pasting but after running that command (with the relevant details) I still can't connect16:48
Sagar+ [[ -n '' ]] + trap failed ERR + set -o xtrace + sudo mkdir -p /opt/stack >>> /etc/sudoers.d/stack_sh_nova: Alias `NOVADEVCMDS' already defined near line 45 <<< sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers.d/stack_sh_nova near line 45 sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting ++ failed ++ local r=116:48
mjforkppradhan: your vesion doesn't seem to match what is at cloudbuilder's keystone16:48
Sagaranything which i have missed ?16:48
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mjforkthere is no line 286 in manage/__init.py16:49
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mjforkheylukecarrier: pastebin request again with debug on16:50
heylukecarriermjfork, the output is literally identical, word for word16:50
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mjforkheylukecarrier: do you see it hitting keystone when you run that command? anything in glance logs?16:51
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heyhomjfork: should I install nova-vnc proxy also in the compute-node where the instances are?16:54
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ppradhanmjfork:  you mean how I added the credentials?16:55
mjforkppradhan: the version of keystone you ahve installed doesn't match what is in cloudbuilders rrepo16:56
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ppradhanmjfork: this is my keystone version 2011.3-final-rcb14~oneiric16:57
mjforkheyho: i don't know...i think its only the head node and then requires VNC access to nodes?16:57
mjforkheyho: what do you see inlogs?16:57
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heyhoyeah, I think that too..  I'l re-check the logs16:58
mjforkppradhan: again, there is no line 286 in that file referenced in keystone version - do you have multiple keystone-manage on the machine and it is picking up wrong one?16:59
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ppradhanmjfork: no. I only have that one17:00
mjforkcan you search the filessytem?17:00
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heylukecarriermjfork, glance isn't configured yet because I want to check Nova is working properly first.17:03
heylukecarriermjfork, also, keystone sucks: keystone-manage endpointTemplates add TestRegion nova http://nova-api.mydomain:8774/v1.1/luke http://nova-api.mydomain:8774/v1.1/luke http://nova-api.mydomain:8774/v1.1/luke 1 1 yields IndexError: Service nova not found17:03
mjforkheylukecarrier: then you won't be able to list images :_)17:03
ppradhanmjfork: its the only one ..  this is my keystone.log err
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mjforkppradhan: that doesn't show me anything - other than keystone-manage was talking to the local keystone daemon17:04
mjforkheylukecarrier: did you create that service?17:04
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ppradhanmjfork: is it safe to flush the credentials table in mysql and populate again?17:05
ppradhanmjfork:  I don;t see any way to remove the creds using keystone-manage17:06
uvirtbotNew bug: #925579 in quantum "e3 tarball does not include ovs plugin agent" [High,New]
mjforkppradhan: you can't as of yet, edit Db ddirectly17:06
mjforkppradhan: find / | grep keystone-manage17:06
ppradhanmjfork: I only have on at /usr/bin17:07
mjforkppradhan: ok, i don't knwo what to say. the version of keystone you are running doesn't seem to match what is in cloudbuilders repo17:08
ppradhanmjfork: oh.. let me flush the table and try again.. looks like the credentilas table looks wroing17:09
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ppradhanmjfork: now the table is clear and it is not throwing any error.. is this is right way to add ? #keystone-manage credentials add adminUser EC2 'secretword' adminTenant17:13
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mjforkyou want Ec2 credentials?17:14
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mjforksee there17:14
ppradhanmjfork:  ok17:15
dolphm_ppradhan: yes, you can truncate the credentials table safely17:15
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dolphm_mjfork: ppradhan: essex3 supports a delete_credential command, if you're up to date17:16
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dolphm_mjfork: ppradhan: as well as list_credentials, which i think is also new17:17
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ppradhandolphm_: ok17:17
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925587 in nova "Gap in usage data due to rebuilds." [Undecided,New]
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deshantmkronos+openstack branch to test (by mcclurmc):
deshantm(checkout the xcp-toolstack branch)17:33
mcclurmcfor those that don't follow xcp very closely, kronos is XCP's toolstack running on Debian and Ubuntu17:33
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mcclurmcso you can use devstack on your ubuntu laptop, as if it were a XenServer host17:34
vishyit is Openstack Bug Squash Day!  If you want to help out /join openstack-bugsquash17:34
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925596 in quantum "quantum console script in both quantum and quantumclient" [Undecided,New]
uvirtbotNew bug: #925599 in openstack-manuals "Small fixes to clean up Image admin guide" [Low,Confirmed]
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hub_capanyone know the guy who works on the Routes middleware stuff? is he in #openstack at all?17:42
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trkemistI have a question for the openstackers. I am looking through the reference documentation and I am unsure about shared storage for the VM's and how they handle hardware issues17:45
trkemistI keep hearing about CIFS or CEPH but I am not sure that this would really be the answer for block level shared storage to run vm's on .17:45
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kbringardanyone familiar with the Rackspace iPhone app?17:47
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mjforktrkemist: you want to host your VMs on distributed block storage?17:50
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925607 in nova "Starting nova-network results in traceback." [Undecided,New]
ppradhanmjfork: all looks good now.. one question.. what is that env variable to export to make euca2tools work with keystone installed?17:53
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ppradhanthis is how my openrc looks but it s not working
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mward29mjfork: Thanks for all your help. I have a Working multi-node install now. Just wanted to share.17:55
mjforkmward29: great news!17:56
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mward29I've been looking around, but haven't found an answer to one question. Possible to have multiple control nodes to share work load?17:57
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minehi all17:59
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minelooking for some explainations about setting up openstack in my lan18:00
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minei read admin's manual18:00
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mineand i want to configure openstack to run wordpress ex18:01
minebut i want18:01
minescheduler on one node18:01
mineadmin on another one18:01
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mineany tips?18:02
mward291I'm a noob but just got vlans setup, what's up18:02
mineonly that?18:02
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mward291how many nodes?18:03
mineadmin scheduler and user node18:03
ppradhanmjfork: its working now thanks !18:03
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mward291I would install with managedIT, control node and two compute nodes18:04
mward291setup your bonded interfaces first18:04
mward291create the control node18:04
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mward291don't run nova-compute on the control node18:04
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mjforkppradhan: just had to recreate keystone entireS?18:05
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mward291if you use the manageIT scripts, it helps a ton in getting keystone/horizon setup which is key18:05
ppradhanmjfork: yes truncated the credentials table and recreated using #keystone-manage credentials add adminUser EC2 'adminUser' 'secretword' adminTenant18:06
minei've setup all manually without keystone18:06
minekk thx18:06
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mward291mine: awesome, I ran into trouble setting up manually18:07
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925618 in nova "Quantum manager is not removing vifs/interfaces in Melange when deleting instances" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925630 in keystone "No log message if keystone.conf isn't readable" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925636 in swift "Allow add arguments to nosetests" [Undecided,In progress]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925644 in nova "Novaclient bash-completion is polluting homedir with dotfiles" [Low,Triaged]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925656 in melange "ipv6 netmask is returned in a way that is inconsistent with common server configuration practice" [Undecided,Confirmed]
uvirtbotNew bug: #925664 in nova "fixed IPs are not disassociated with FlatManager" [Undecided,In progress]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925665 in nova "virtual_interfaces in nova aren't torn down when under load" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925667 in keystone "ksl - keystone-manage-tenant-list" [Undecided,New]
hub_capreed: hey dude, cp16net (craig vyvial) is waiting to get approval in openstack-cla so he can submit a bug for review, can u hook a brutha up?19:41
reedhub_cap, yeah, I noticed... I was trying to contact him to tell him to fix his launchpad ID on
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reedhub_cap, can you tell him to fix the wiki?19:45
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925669 in horizon "Empty Scrollbar Showing in FireFix (Admin/Instances)" [Medium,Confirmed]
uvirtbotNew bug: #925671 in horizon "Terminate Button Shows When There Are No Instances" [Undecided,New]
cp16netreed: i thought it was fixed19:46
cp16netreed: oh it needs to be cp16net-gmail?19:47
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cp16netreed: or just cp16net19:47
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hub_capreed: haha yea i can smack him with a trout19:50
hub_caphe is fixing it now reed, give him a min, he no good with instructions ;)19:51
reedgood to go, happy hacking :)19:52
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warikhi!, quick question, is there a way to prevent an instance to lose its ip when a user reboot the instance by typing "reboot" instead of using the reboot feature from the dashboard ?19:55
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kbringarderrrr, when the user types reboot on the instance it should come back up with the same ip....19:57
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925681 in glance "Unfriendly error if auth_url not specified when using glance+keystone" [Undecided,New]
uvirtbotNew bug: #925682 in nova "virtual_interfaces extension returns UUID, Nova expects ID" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925693 in glance "Upload broken with Keystone unless using SERVICE_TOKEN" [Undecided,New]
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shall_ hello everyone, could someone help me with a issue of using euca2ools with the Dell version of crowbar.....20:38
shall_sorry if this is the wrong area, but i asked the same question in the #crowbar channel20:40
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925721 in keystone "ksl-keystone-manage-docs" [Undecided,New]
uvirtbotNew bug: #925718 in keystone "keystone.conf format changes produces warnings" [Low,In progress]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925731 in nova "GET on key pairs gives 500" [Undecided,New]
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warikkbringard: is it related to the virtualization type, have 2 setup, the one on qemu doesn't get the ip after the reboot and the one with kvm is doing fine. what do you think ?21:43
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kbringardI guess it could be… I've only every used KVM21:44
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kbringardbut I would think that unless nova is explicitly terminating the instance, it shouldn't remove the IP from the leases21:44
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warikyes that's correct, let me check the logs, and compare about the leases..21:45
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mward29anyone know the auth info into the images managedIT creates?21:49
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warikkbringard: i rebooted 2 instances on both qemu and kvm, they both release their ips but the qemu one seems to not keep in mind this instance, so no ip is selected to the instance21:50
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dolphmmward29: username is "admin", i believe you set the password?21:50
kbringardwhat OS are they? perhaps the issue an explicit DHCPRELEASE on reboot?21:51
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uvirtbotNew bug: #892068 in nova "nova show should be smarter about caching details" [High,Confirmed]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925745 in horizon "api creates key pair with a pub key which is empty" [Undecided,New]
dolphmmward29: actually, "letmein" is the default password21:52
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warikthe instance are using Lucid21:52
mward29dolphin: I can't ssh to the vms, only have vnc console21:52
warikmward29:  do you have a key pair assigned to your instances?21:52
dolphmmward29: oh, i didn't catch *images*, thought you were referring to the default openstack user21:52
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mward29no, I can't login to the VMs managedIT bundles with their install21:54
mward29I tried sshing to the machine with the key but it still requests a password21:54
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925748 in nova "We should call unicode() instead of str()" [Undecided,New]
warikkbringard: I'm lucid, how can I check dhcprelease ?21:56
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AndrewWeisshey guys…quick question….having an issue configuring keystone, dashboard, and glance…how can I delete an endpointTemplate?21:57
uvirtbotNew bug: #925741 in horizon "creation of KeyPair with blank key name throws 500" [Undecided,New]
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cryptkhello all, I am working on setting up OpenStack on an Ubuntu 11.10 server, trying to start nova-api service gives this "CRITICAL nova [-] No module named ec2_token"22:07
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cryptkI am doing it with the packages from the repository and following for my instructions22:08
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kbringard1is it possible to update an endpoint_template in keystone?22:23
kbringard1after it's been added22:24
perlstein_i'm having trouble understanding how i allocate a floating IP to a particular project22:26
perlstein_is there a trick?22:26
perlstein_my "root admin" he can alloate any IP from my floating range22:27
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925774 in openstack-ci "jenkins slaves should run tmpwatch" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #892062 in nova "nova admin can't add additional ips to a slice" [Undecided,Incomplete]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925775 in openstack-common "utils.import_object sometimes masks the failed import" [Undecided,Confirmed]
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trkemistmjford: Are you still on the channel?22:59
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warikhi, in Keystone, what is the difference between the role "sysadmin" and "netadmin" ? thanks23:23
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925792 in nova "crypto import fails on non-case sensitive filesystem" [Medium,In progress]
cryptkok, here is one I have been banging my head against for a while, I can't get glance details -A APIKEY to work, it stack traces and exits with a "NotAuthorized: None" message23:32
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cryptkany clues?23:32
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cryptkI have tried it with both a key that I got by curling with my creds as well as the one configured as a long term key when I set it all up23:33
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uvirtbotNew bug: #925790 in openstack-ci "template-gerrit-git-prep sometimes suffers from spurious rpc failure" [Undecided,New]
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cryptkomg... I feel so stupid now...23:44
cryptkfigured it out23:44
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cryptkhad glance-api configured for keystone, but forgot to configure glance-registry for it, lol23:45
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