Monday, 2012-02-20

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technologovhi ! How does Rackspace Cloud Servers compare to OpenStack Nova ? (they seem to be similar in idea, right?)00:41
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Spirilistechnologov: I don't work for rackspace, but if I'm not mistaken they are the same--meaning Rackspace used OpenStack Nova to create their Cloud Servers service01:51
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technologovSpirilis, nope. Cloud Servers predate OpenStack.01:52
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* technologov is learning OpenStack02:00
technologovit seems that only Nova is absolutely essential for minimal developer's build02:00
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notmynametechnologov: depends on what problems you are trying to solve02:02
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technologovI try to learn basic concepts of OpenStack + build small dev server using it, including web GUI (O-S dashboard)02:05
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technologovO-S is the shortname for OpenStack ?02:05
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notmynametechnologov: I don't think there's an official shortname02:11
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technologovthen lets use O-S (OS is used for Operating System)02:12
notmynameI think an important point is to use openstack (or whatever shortname you want) when referring to the entire group of projects and use the project name when referring to one specificly02:13
notmynameno one project is all of openstack02:13
technologovFor me, it was the GUI (dashboard) that made me confident that this cloud is for real02:13
technologovbefore that, there were 20 clouds, but none had Open-Source web GUI.02:14
notmynametechnologov: devcamcar will be happy to hear that :-)02:14
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longhudouthe instance is unable to connect the internet , anybody know the reason02:40
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troyawhat is topology whch you used?02:45
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longhudoutroya: ?02:48
troyahi, longhudou02:48
longhudoutroya: can u help me on the problem02:49
troyacould you tell me topology which you running on ?02:50
longhudouI am using flatdhcp,02:51
longhudouone controller node,three compute node,02:52
longhudouam i understood?02:53
troyathen, is it running behind of router ?02:54
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longhudouI think so02:55
troyahmm..i think it's need to some configuration on router in order to public can access your nova02:57
troyawait, is your aim is build nova in order to accessed with ip public from outside, or the others?02:58
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longhudouI just want the instance to connect the internet, for example ,download something03:01
troyaoh..i'm sory i think you want make openstack accessed with ip public from your router as gateway03:03
troyayou should check is your server can ping your gateway first ?03:04
troyacan you ping it?03:05
longhudouthe instance can not ping the gateway03:05
longhudouthe physical machine can ping the gateway of course03:05
troyais on your router have dhcp enable?03:05
troyawhat is range?03:06
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troyai mean range ip of your dhcp03:14
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longhudouthe range ip for instance is
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troyai mean range of your dhcp from router, it;s like -
troyabecause if your dhcp server is conflict with your dhcp from your nova, you won't able to connect with router03:22
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longhudoutroya: thanks a lot ,03:32
longhudouI got it down , seems something is wrong about "Promiscuous Mode"03:32
troyawhat is this ?03:33
troyais it working now ?03:34
longhudousome mode of network card03:36
troyacongratulation, longhudou :)03:36
longhudouthanks for your time :)03:37
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shayatouI try to use 'swift-bench' to do some performace test on my swift cluster,  but I don't quite understand the number in the result03:40
shayatoualso, is the result good or bad ?03:42
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troyatry to post your problem on forums.openstack.org03:43
troyahi shayatou, i'm very sorry i haven't use swift on my server03:43
troyamaybe on there you will get the answer03:44
troyaor try to join to mailing list and post your problem there ,
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* technologov wonders whenever porting OpenStack to VirtualBox engine discussed...03:50
technologovBasically it would allow to exchange VMs between cloud and local desktop03:51
technologov*any* desktop03:51
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technologovone thing I miss in the whole picture: Why object storage ? Why not file system ?03:55
technologovthing like NFS can do the job ?03:55
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deshantmtechnologov: openstack, swift, etc. vs. the old way is all about scale03:59
deshantmtry running millions of servers on NFS03:59
technologovbut those basic concepts are pretty much undocumented04:00
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deshantmit's night US time though04:04
deshantmand Sunday night at that04:04
notmynameshayatou: still around?04:04
notmynameshayatou: your numbers look "ok" depending on your deployment details04:05
deshantmtechnologov: see private message04:05
notmynametechnologov: I'm in the process of writing a blog post on the differences in object storage from block and file storage. I wish it were up now so I could point you at it to answer your question of "why swift"04:07
deshantmnotmyname: nice!04:07
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notmynametechnologov: deshantm: the use case for object storage is "unstructured data that can grow without bound". common applications are backups, archiving, and static web content (images, scripts, etc)04:08
notmynametechnologov: the things that object storage in general (and swift specifically) provides is large scale, cheap, and durable storage04:09
technologovnotmyname, let me add you to our email discussion with anne then, ok ?04:10
technologovgive me your email ?04:11
notmynametechnologov: sure. me@not.mn04:11
technologovlol? such thing exists ? ^^04:11
notmynamecheck it out and see (
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notmynametechnologov: object storage is all about relaxing some of the constraints of a posix-style system. for example, if you don't have to provide atomic operations (ie you can rely on eventual consistency), you can much more easily scale a storage system and not have a central point of failure04:14
technologovMay I ask how OpenStack Nova compares to Rackspace Cloud Servers?04:14
notmynametechnologov: it's being developed and will eventually run cloud servers. currently, cloud servers is using an older codebase until nova is mature enough to be run at production at rackspace (and the migration issues are handled)04:15
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notmynameshayatou: for swift-bench, around 1K req/sec/proxy server is a good starting point04:20
notmynameshayatou: and I recommend that you don't run ssl to your proxy server. you should terminate it either with an ssl-terminator or in your load balancer (if you are running more that one proxy)04:20
notmynameshayatou: here's my swift-bench numbers (this is running all servers on a single slicehost VPS in an all-in-one dev setup)04:21
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notmynameshayatou: so if you are running with more dedicated machines, you could probably get some better performance by tuning some parameters either in swift (like the worker counts) or on your servers (like the network settings or hardware configurations)04:24
notmynametechnologov: was I able to answer you questions about what swift is or why it is useful?04:25
technologovI ask more via email04:26
notmynamequestions in here are good because everyone can see them :-)04:27
technologovI ask on email, so that anne gets them, and those must be included in "getting started guide" PDF04:27
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technologovthose noob questions about concepts are *very* important, yet somehow omitted04:28
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notmynametechnologov: which concepts are your wondering about (I'd love to know too since I'll probably be working on my blog post later tonight :)04:29
technologovNova vs Images (glance) vs. Object Storage (swift)04:30
technologovBoth (1) Nova-volume and (2) glance and (3) swift seem capable of storing VM hard disks.04:30
technologovWhat's the conceptual difference between the three ?04:30
notmynametechnologov: nova-volume is for block storage attached to a VM. glance is to manage the VM images in a nova cluster and provide nice ways of storing them (a bridge to the storage, not the storage itself). swift is an object storage system that can be used by glance or on its own. swift isn't a filesystem, so it's not "mountable" like the devices managed with nova-volume04:32
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technologovcome on... "mountable" term is a joke... nowadays you can mount GMail or Wikipedia... via FUSE04:34
technologovw.p. is not a Filesystem either :)04:34
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notmynameya, FUSE confuses things a bit04:35
notmynameok, so you don't use swift like a traditional hard drive. the only access to it is API-based (and the API is http)04:36
notmynamethat can be wrapped into a FUSE filesystem (but there are big tradeoffs in doing so--advantages too, of course)04:37
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technologovwhat other assumptions, that I miss ? hmm...04:44
technologovsecurity: are remote VM execution is secure?  How ? libvitrd ?04:44
notmynamethose are questions for nova. I can't help there04:46
notmynameI'm going to go with "yes"04:46
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technologovWhich other important concepts might I miss ?05:07
technologov"Nova Cluster"05:08
technologovis like a live-migration-domain ?05:08
koolhead17devcamcar: around?05:13
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technologovok, email sent05:17
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ttxsejo: yo07:28
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sejottx: all well?07:33
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ttxsejo: yop. Just back from one week vacation.07:41
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eglynn_ttx: welcome back!08:07
eglynn_ttx: I know you're probably swamped with email backlog, but if you get a chance can you cast your eye at this FFE request?08:08
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ttxeglynn_: looking08:12
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ttxeglynn_: replies08:21
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eglynn_ttx: thanks!08:24
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uvirtbot`New bug: #936797 in nova "os-networks index fails with quantum" [Undecided,New]
uvirtbot`New bug: #936798 in glance "Glance always picks the first endpoint from the service catalog" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbot`New bug: #936813 in nova "GET on os-networks/<uuid> fails with quantum" [Undecided,New]
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Raziqueoi all09:28
koolhead17hoi Razique09:28
uksysadmin'sup homies09:29
* uksysadmin is gangsta today09:29
Raziquehey uksysadmin :)09:29
koolhead17uksysadmin: hey there09:29
Razique'nice cuz09:29
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uksysadminAnybody here from the north west of UK, and fancy coming to on Thursday?09:31
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Razique:( nope09:31
koolhead17uksysadmin: how about shooting the same on mailing list :D09:31
uksysadminyou know what koolhead17, one may just do that.09:31
* koolhead17 is in another continent :D09:32
uksysadminplus appears that 9.30am is too early for cloud folk in the UK ;-)09:32
koolhead17sir uksysadmin , please do the honor :D09:32
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* Razique listening The Return of The Kings OST09:38
Raziquehelps focusing while working on clouds09:38
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uvirtbot`New bug: #936898 in nova "Nova options tool enhancements" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
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spampelDoes anyone know which interface the Dashboard uses? A public API or some remote procedure calls?12:15
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uksysadminspampel, I'd presume the NOVA-API13:31
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Neptuhave a question about virtualized images... does the image need to have something special in the kernel like amazon ec2 and puppet installed?13:34
spampeluksysadmin, thank you13:34
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uksysadminNeptu, not explicitly, but to have useful images you'd need something running in it that can call back the calling meta server to make decisions on what to do once booted... although, say, a basic requirement will be to grab the public key to squirt it into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys so you can log in using keys13:37
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Neptuuksysadmin: i have ubuntu images and i create instances of that, what i want to do is have gentoo images and create instances of that... using kvm as virtualization platform13:39
uksysadminso a package you'd be interested in for ubuntu images would be cloud-init that does the early prep of a cloud image for this13:39
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Neptuthe point is do i need any special requirements of create a gentoo image that i can instanciate13:39
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Neptuuksysadmin: so standard gentoo with cloud-init package will be good enought for openstack?13:40
uksysadminnot that I've seen - though I've only created centos and windows images above and beyond the pre-available ubuntu ones.13:40
uksysadminnot touched (or needed) to do gentoo13:40
uksysadminI'd suggest following the steps for creating images to see how far you get13:40
Neptuuksysadmin: where are those steps?13:41
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uksysadminfedora have a page too which goes into depth on what to install and set up for fedora13:42
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* koolhead17 woyld love to see Gentoo added to the docs!! :)13:44
uksysadminkoolhead17: get cracking then ;-)13:44
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koolhead17uksysadmin: :)13:47
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zynzelanyone use vnc? :)14:14
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viraptorI just noticed that the compute manager has 2 connections open to mysql in my cluster, not 1 as I'd expect. is that standard? I thought that sqlalchemy would handle pooling a bit better internally14:23
uksysadminzynzel, yes - kinda... use it get instances working/troubleshooting14:25
uksysadminviraptor, surely each function of the code would open up their own pool?14:26
uksysadmin(function = functionality in a non-program sense)14:26
viraptoruksysadmin: true, but I was under the impression that nova-compute did not use more than one pool... but maybe I just missed it - basically I'm trying to come up with a number for max_connections based on the number of nodes14:27
viraptorso right now it looks like: 4 * nodes (network + api + 2*compute)... but in that case I could start digging deeper to find how many pools are possible14:28
uksysadmininteresting to see that number - not thought too much of it.14:30
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GlaceeIs there a place to compare swift-bench results?14:51
notmynameGlacee: I think you're in that place now :-)14:51
* notmyname imagines a website to compare swift-bench results...if only I had the time14:51
notmynamethat would be cool14:51
Glaceenotmyname: lol :) I agree.. that would be cool14:52
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GlaceeI have still not switched to the model with accounts/containers separetly but I think I am getting decent results14:52 registered :-)14:54
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GlaceeNice :)14:54
notmynameso I guess that gives me a year to do something with it ;-)14:54
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notmynameGlacee: what sort of numbers are you seeing? can you pastebin them?14:56
uksysadminnotmyname, I'll look out for that pop up asking if I want to submit anonymous statistics to improve experience in future releases of Swift ;-)14:56
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GlaceeGetting this with default settings and no tweaking done yet15:00
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GlaceeGood or bad? :)15:02
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uvirtbot`New bug: #936998 in swift "Object name containing colon results in 403 Forbidden" [Undecided,New]
notmynameGlacee: what's your setup?15:06
GlaceeStorage nodes.. and seperate Proxy Node.... I didnt do the database only servers setup yet15:07
GlaceeRunning on 10gb network with netscaler right now15:07
notmynameone proxy?15:07
Glacee2 proxies15:07
notmynamehmm...then your numbers should be higher, probably15:08
notmynamewhat kind of load balancing are you using?15:08
Glaceeok.. only one storage node though15:08
notmyname2 proxies to one storage node? how are your zones set up?15:08
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Glaceeyes.. but it will change to two storage nodes today.. was waiting in a Replacement part15:09
Glacee8 disks per zone.. 4 zones15:09
notmynamealthough that "works", I'd like to be on record saying that's not a great deployment option. having separate storage nodes is better. you don't want so many replicas ties to one piece of hardware15:11
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GlaceeYeah.. once I get my second node today.. I will have 2 zones per server..15:12
notmynamehave you done any profiling to see where the bottlenecks are? during your test, is your storage server limited by something (probably disk io)15:12
GlaceeIs that a bit better?15:12
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GlaceeNope.. didnt do any of that yet15:12
notmyname2 zones per server is better. still not best.15:12
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GlaceeCan I suspect the bottleneck being the i/o for databases?15:14
notmynameGlacee: did you see my swift-bench results from last night?15:14
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Glaceenope! Where can I see them?15:14
notmynamethat would be my first guess15:14
notmynamethat's a SAIO dev environment on a s1GB slicehost VPS. dedicated hardware should blow those numbers away15:15
Glaceewell.. I got better numbers than that!15:15
Glaceewell.. on Gets I am destroying them.. on put.. only twice... so propably disk i/os problem15:16
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notmynameswift-recon may offer some good metrics during your test15:20
Glaceenotmyname: good idea... and the netscaler is on a slow 1gb network.. might not help15:21
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GlaceeHmm swift-recon does not seem in the 1.4.5 package15:28
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notmynameit should be in the codebase. perhaps it wasn't in the packaging15:31
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similian1hello dear folks17:05
similian1I have about 10 kvm machines17:05
similian1would you recommend to use openstack for managin such a network?17:05
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similian1currently i use libvirt17:06
similian1but I need more flexibility17:06
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similian1wow its great to see such a huge channel here17:07
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koolhead17hi all17:29
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uvirtbot`New bug: #937104 in keystone "Tenant/TenantManager methods call non-existant role methods" [Undecided,In progress]
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Hitesh_Hello there,17:46
Hitesh_I have some queries about OpenStack + DevStack, could somebody help me out in that?17:46
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Hitesh_fjay: would love to help me?17:49
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jdgHitesh: I would be happy to try and help17:51
jdgWhat's your question?17:51
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zeushi all17:52
zeusthere's any kind of specific channel to talk about swift ?17:52
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Hitesh_jdg: Thanks for the responce, I have devstack set up ready, now I want  to change some code in Nova, and then debug it, so what will be the stpes for it in devstack?17:53
Hitesh_jdg: I am little bit confused about DevStack :(17:53
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jdgHitesh: Depending on what you change, you'll need to restart the appropriate service17:54
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jdgHitesh: You can look through the script to get an idea of how to restart services with screen17:54
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jdgHitesh: Personally this is something I've had trouble with myself, so I've been using a script by maoy to convert everything to upstart17:55
GlaceeIs there a way to change the port that swift-recon uses?17:56
Hitesh_jdg: Thanks for the answer, It will be nice if you could explain me by example..17:56
jdgHitesh:  Ok, I don't know if this is the "best" way, but here's how I've been doing things...17:56
jdgAfter running devstack, I do a reboot.17:57
jdgThen I pull the branch of devstack from maoy
koolhead17mjfork: around17:58
jdgHitesh: I pull the branch from git and place it in a seperate directory, then copy the following to my devstack directory:17:58
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jdgHitesh: cp ./ ~/devstack/    and cp -R ./files/upstart ~/devstack/files/17:59
jdgHitesh: Then you can run ' install | start | stop' etc18:00
Hitesh_jdg: This should be done, once we change the code right?18:00
jdgHitesh:  Either way, I typically do it first to make sure I have everything working as expected18:02
jdgHitesh:  If you're good with screen and such, you can read the script and make things work that way too.18:03
Hitesh_jdg: Nice suggestion, I will do it first...18:04
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notmynameGlacee: not sure I understand. swift recon is middleware on the object server, so it uses the same port as the object server18:06
Glaceeah ok :) thanks18:06
notmynamezeus: no. swift talk happens in here too18:07
GlaceeI am installing it manually.. there is something missing then18:07
zeusnotmyname: thanks for the answer =)18:07
notmynamezeus: got a specific question?18:07
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zeusnotmyname: just having some troubles with unittest and trying to find a place to look for bug reports to fix a few if I can18:08
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zeusnotmyname: and if there's any specific options for pylint :P18:09
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notmynamezeus: we don't (officially) use pylint for anything. ie it's not used to gate anything18:10
notmynamezeus: bug reports are on lauchpad
Glaceenotmyname: is there any doc on swift-recon installation?18:11
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notmynameGlacee: yes, but it looks like the docs page is messed up. I'll have to look in to that18:12
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notmynameGlacee: for the time being, swift-recon --help should be a basic starting point18:12
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AndrewWeisshey guys…using the latest keystone trunk packages…attempting to sync database…getting "table user_roles" already exists as referenced by this bug:
AndrewWeisstried deleting database and re-creating…still receiving error18:13
AndrewWeissany updates on this bug?18:13
Glaceenotmynme: Ok.. I am getting a HTTP Error 500: Server Error   Is there anything I should setup beside just running it?18:13
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zeusnotmyname: thanks for the time =)18:16
notmynameGlacee: I think the asyncs need the cron job to be run once18:17
notmynameGlacee: swift-recon-crom18:17
notmynameGlacee: swift-recon-cron18:17
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GlaceeSame problem.. but thanks! I will try to investigate.. only replication and async returns errors18:18
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ppradhanhi all,  I am trying to use keystone with swift. Do i use keystone or keystone2?18:24
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jdgHitesh:  You still here?18:27
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koolhead17siwos: hi there19:15
siwoskoolhead17: hi19:15
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siwosgotta problem guys ;-)19:15
siwosI can't map my keystone tenants to networks19:15
siwosI don't use vlan networking19:16
siwosI just created a fixed_ip network with --project_id=<tenant_id>19:16
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siwosbut strange things are happening - the instances now get 2 addresses - one from my base public network, and one from that assigned to the project19:17
siwosit looks like nova-network does not differentiate whether an intance belongs to a certain tenant or not19:18
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AndrewWeissanyone know why glance has an issue starting? getting a respawning too fast and error code 119:25
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AndrewWeisswas wondering if anyone could help me with an issue starting glance19:38
AndrewWeissusing latest trunk package19:38
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AndrewWeissok, so managed to get glance running…missing dependency…was wondering if anyone was familiar with this error: self.admin_token = json.loads(auth)["access"]["token"]["id"]20:07
AndrewWeissKeyError: 'access'20:07
AndrewWeissi remember coming across this before but have forgotten how to resolve it20:07
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uvirtbot`New bug: #937206 in openstack-manuals "RSS feed for the Quantum Admin manual not working " [Undecided,New]
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hogepodgeAny who can help out with image deployment with kernel and ramdisk?20:26
uvirtbot`New bug: #937216 in glance "nova image snapshots fail with 'Invalid disk format'" [High,In progress]
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hogepodgeI've uploaded a ramdisk and kernel to glance, and uploaded an image that points to them. When I nova boot it only grabs the disk image and not the kernel or the ramdisk.20:27
ark_hello can anyone look at debug nova.utils [backend]
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uvirtbot`New bug: #937222 in horizon "Need ability to dismiss flash notifications" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbot`New bug: #937227 in nova "os-floating-ips gives 500 with FlatManager" [Undecided,New]
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hogepodgeUgh. Can't figure out why nova isn't downloading associated kernel and ramdisk.20:37
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uvirtbot`New bug: #937260 in nova "Glance Image Service connector ignores kernel and ramdisk properties in Glance" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbot`New bug: #937265 in keystone "error during installation: can't copy 'keystone/common/sql/migrate_repo/migrate.cfg': doesn't exist or not a regular file" [Undecided,New]
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eglynn__jaypipes: could I trouble you to cast your eye over,4330 ?22:30
eglynn__(the initial change to require disk/container formats always be set tripped up nova snapshot creation)22:30
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jaypipeseglynn__: sure tihng22:34
eglynn__jaypipes: ta much22:35
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jaypipeseglynn__: ugh... return ((activating and (not format or not recognized)) or (not activating and format and not recognized))22:38
jaypipeseglynn__: makes me eyes bleed ;)22:38
eglynn__jaypipes: how about:22:38
eglynn__        return ((activating and (not format or unrecognized))22:38
eglynn__                or (not activating and format and unrecognized))22:38
eglynn__fewer nots :)22:39
jaypipeseglynn__: lol22:39
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eglynn__jaypipes: actually that is marginally less of an eye-sore22:40
eglynn__push that minor change as patch set 2?22:40
jaypipeseglynn__: nah...22:41
jaypipeseglynn__: one sec, you'll see in my review.22:41
eglynn__jaypipes: k22:41
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jaypipeseglynn__: k, reviewed.22:46
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eglynn__jaypipes: cool thanks, I'll knock out patch set 2 shortly ...22:48
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jaypipesright on.22:49
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eglynn__jaypipes: patch set 2 pushed,433023:01
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jaypipeseglynn__: all set23:02
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eglynn__jaypipes: great!23:03
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aweisshey...anyone available for a keystone/glance question?23:19
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siwosanyone's got a fix for the error23:39
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siwosRemoteError: Remote error: NetworkNotFound Network 3 could not be found.23:40
siwosi added and then deleted a fixed_ip network23:40
siwosbut nova-api complains about missing id23:40
siwoswhich was the id of this network int the db23:41
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uvirtbot`New bug: #937321 in horizon "Create a Project completes with success but fails to create the project" [Undecided,New]

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