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| CristianDM | Hi. Any test openstack with Ceph? | 06:34 |
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| CristianDM | Any? | 07:40 |
| CristianDM | This channel is dead? | 07:40 |
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| apergos | at this hour maybe (I"m not a regular, just a new lurker) ... late for the us, early for europe | 07:42 |
| CristianDM | Ok. Today is it possible use openstack with ceph? Any idea? | 07:43 |
| apergos | I have no idea, as I say I'm a recent lurker... | 07:43 |
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| CristianDM | :D Thanks. I will back in some hours | 07:43 |
| apergos | ok good luck | 07:44 |
| CristianDM | Have nice day | 07:44 |
| apergos | you too | 07:44 |
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| zynzel | CristianDM: 10:18 AM in europe... sunday... | 08:19 |
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| zykes- | koolhead17: ping | 09:49 |
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| itguru | Can I use Horizon to manage my Rack Space accounts? | 10:54 |
| * itguru takes shot in the dark | 10:54 | |
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| itguru | Or can I only use Horizon to manage my own private clouds? | 11:02 |
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| kokyu | I don't think you can use it for a rackspace account | 11:20 |
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| itguru | Awww... that is so dissapointing | 11:30 |
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| kokyu | why is that? | 11:31 |
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| kokyu | what is the /var/lib/nova/_base directory actually used for? | 11:32 |
| kokyu | I'm also having a 160GB epheremal file in there, *but* my partion is just 40g sized, wtf? | 11:32 |
| kokyu | *ephemeral | 11:32 |
| rmt | kokyu, sparse-file ? Compare "ls -l $FILE" to "du $FILE" | 11:35 |
| kokyu | ah, ty | 11:36 |
| kokyu | yap, I suspected that, but couldn't find out how to proof :) | 11:36 |
| kokyu | rmt: but when are the fiels in _base/ dire deleted? | 11:37 |
| rmt | Beware - sparse files can and will grow over time. They can be used with care, but free disk space should be monitored. | 11:37 |
| rmt | kokyu, That I don't know. Haven't tried #openstack.. Too busy with my own "cloud". ;-) | 11:37 |
| kokyu | what kind of "cloud" (in terms of software-stack)? | 11:38 |
| itguru | It's disappointing, because I was hoping to be able to setup some sort of web interface to my rackspace accounts, so that I can build up and tear down machines as and when required - I thought that with rackspace being part of the open stack project, that I'd at least be able to connect to an API or something | 11:39 |
| kokyu | i'm not a rackspace user, and while rackspace itself is using openstack, I assumed it to be something equivalent to EC2/S3, which means, they'll provide an UI for you :) | 11:41 |
| rmt | I've got a server-local VM manager, supporting multiple backends. Pluggable storage, etc. libvirt wasn't flexible enough for my needs. I use LXC directly, and KVM through libvirt. Then I've got a central DB of node information, and instantiated-VM information, which is used to bring up VMs on remote servers. | 11:45 |
| rmt | node database is for physical machines as well as virtual. Network/PXE installs of OSs. It also contains the next-step pointer for configuration management (Puppet). | 11:46 |
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| kokyu | i c | 11:47 |
| itguru | rmt: Nice ..... | 11:47 |
| itguru | rmt: Open Stack might be your best friend I think, I'm looking into it, thinking about how I can best use it to take over the world, I mean run my infastructure | 11:49 |
| rmt | itguru, openstack is still a little hodge-podge, but it's got a lot of people behind it. Like most cloud solutions, there's a bit of a take-it-or-leave it approach when it comes to integrating with existing infrastructure. | 11:51 |
| itguru | rmt: I have to agree with you there - although I have to admit, a *lot* of people did mobilise to make the project come to life | 11:52 |
| kokyu | well, I am into openstack since some weeks now (with breaks in between), and I see, that it is really powerfull, *but* also very heavy and *hard* to get into the whole subject. I have tons of questions still unanswered and no docs found about it ... | 11:52 |
| itguru | I guess they have to take that approach, because there are so many P2V migration tools out there, it wouldn't take much technical work to switch over | 11:53 |
| rmt | That's not necessarily a bad thing, though. Having developers write software-for-the-cloud will probably result in better scalable software.. developers will rely less on storing state on machines, and will start to think about what happens when 50% of your machines just disappear. ;-) | 11:54 |
| itguru | kokyu: I'm finding openstack hard as well, but I'm starting to think of it as it's individual components, which just so happen to be compatible with each other | 11:54 |
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| kokyu | :) | 11:59 |
| itguru | Otherwise my brain will explode | 12:01 |
| itguru | Right now, I'm interested in horizon | 12:01 |
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| zykes- | live migration how ? | 12:11 |
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| Darksecond | what timeframe should i think about for the folsom release? september, oktober, somehwere in that area? | 15:44 |
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| koolhead17 | hi zykes- | 15:49 |
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| zykes- | koolhead17: what you up to ? ;0 | 16:00 |
| zykes- | Darksecond: around essex release date +6 months | 16:00 |
| Darksecond | zykes-: ok, thanks | 16:01 |
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| nvez | hey guys, is there such thing as multiple fixed IPs per instance in OpenStack ATM? | 16:39 |
| nvez | i know you can have it deploy 1 fixed IP, but is there a current way to have more than 1 fixed IP (or IPs that are not floating, behind NAT) | 16:40 |
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| davidha | Hi, is there any documentation reg how to get swift to work under apache web server? | 16:51 |
| notmyname | davidha: how do you mean? | 16:52 |
| davidha | hey notmyname, did not expect you around. I assuem that some swift installations use the standard apache web server with wsgi support when running swift - is this assumption bogus? | 16:54 |
| notmyname | that is an incorrect assumption. swift is a web server in and of itself. there is no need to use apache | 16:54 |
| * notmyname is always here. except when he isn't | 16:55 | |
| davidha | notmyname who is always around: so every production use of swift is (and must be) with eventlet? | 16:58 |
| notmyname | davidha: yes | 16:58 |
| notmyname | eventlet is pretty core to swift | 16:59 |
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| davidha | notmyname who is always around: mmm. I am under the impression that this may be somewhat of a limiting factor for mass deployment | 17:02 |
| notmyname | davidha: how so? 1) install swift 2) run swift. the deployer doesn't really need to care if swift is using eventlet or anything else. would it be any different if swift use gevent or twisted? | 17:03 |
| zynzel | notmyname: i think davidha was thinking about scalability | 17:05 |
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| davidha | notmyname who is always around: this may be true for some but may be too naive for others. How does eventlet compare with apache 1. security wise (certifications etc), 2. performance wise (apache is well understood), 3. configrability. .... scalability is one result of this | 17:06 |
| nvez | if you feel the requirement for a frontend, just run a reverse proxy on apache to swift ensuring all headers are properly forwarded? | 17:07 |
| nvez | (i have no idea about what i'm talking about, so i'm throwing ideas that are used in other platforms) | 17:07 |
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| notmyname | davidha: I don't think apache and eventet are directly comparable. you should compare apache and swift on those metrics | 17:10 |
| notmyname | swift has an http API. apache happens to be an http server. swift is a storage system. apache serves web content. they don't solve the same problems and beyond responding to http verbs, they aren't really all that comparable. you would never stop using one of them so you can use the other. they are completely different tools for completely different use cases | 17:14 |
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| nvez | devstack take so looooooong | 17:16 |
| davidha | notmyname: well, allow me to suggest an alternative view. Swift is an object store that has a web serever as its frontend. It is not a web server. The fact that the implementation in release 1.4.9 (as an example) uses Eventlet does not mean that a later version cannot release the holly bounds and have swift using a different web server - or better so, allow a deployer to use his own favorite | 17:17 |
| davidha | web server. | 17:17 |
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| CristianDM | Any know how use ceph with openstack? | 17:19 |
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| notmyname | davidha: ok, I'll grant you that. swift uses the eventlet wsgi server to expose it's http api. swift could replace that with some other wsgi server | 17:20 |
| nvez | silly question but if swift uses wsgi then is apache+mod_wsgi something that's possible? | 17:21 |
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| davidha | notmyname, nvez: I am really surprised this had not came up so far as a requirement and that nobody analyzed to see what is the pain that need to be endured to get swift work with apache httpd and wsgi | 17:22 |
| davidha | disclosure: I relaly like whatI see in swift :) | 17:23 |
| davidha | I see one: http://adam.younglogic.com/2012/03/keystone-should-move-to-apache-httpd/ | 17:24 |
| nvez | that post looks pretty good and I agree with what's said there | 17:25 |
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| CristianDM | Any know how use ceph with openstack? | 17:27 |
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| notmyname | davidha: I'm not sure I agree with that post (the parts that are applicable to swift), but I'll bring it up with the other devs tomorrow to make sure I can give a good response | 17:34 |
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| Darksecond | i'm setting up a little 'cloud' at home, mostly to tinker with and learn, but do i really need a management vlan, apart from a public vlan? or can i merge them together and just have one public network? (public != internet) | 17:34 |
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| nvez | grr, devstack is not installing properly, it's not creating account in keystone properly.. | 17:43 |
| nvez | well its' creating the user i think, but not assigning it to a tenant | 17:43 |
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| nvez | i think i found the reason, it does get the proper json, but the "printt" is not working so it just outputs "printt" and not the actual table | 17:48 |
| nvez | any clues? | 17:48 |
| ik04ka | re keystone and greenlet - not only keystone, but all swift server build around greenlet and can run in multiple processes, same as apache https | 17:50 |
| ik04ka | *httpd | 17:50 |
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| nvez | I'm running keystone commands and they're returning "printt" only and nothing else | 17:59 |
| nvez | When doing an strace, I can see the JSON being received.. it looks like it's not outputting things properly. Thoughts? | 18:00 |
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| nvez | Solved. DevStack for some reason installed PrettyTable 0.6 that uses different setup than 0.5 | 18:10 |
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| CristianDM | Hi. Sorry. | 18:54 |
| CristianDM | Any know how use Ceph with openstack? | 18:55 |
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| CristianDM | Any know how use Ceph with openstack? | 20:36 |
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| zykes- | CristianDM: i'm wondering about the same thing | 20:38 |
| CristianDM | I need use Ceph storage with openstack | 20:40 |
| CristianDM | But I can find instructions about how. | 20:40 |
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| CristianDM | I know that Ceph can be used as replacement of swift. | 20:40 |
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| CristianDM | This support RBD | 20:41 |
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| zykes- | CristianDM: it can also be used for nova volumes & instances storage | 20:51 |
| zykes- | and glance library | 20:51 |
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| CristianDM | Good | 20:57 |
| CristianDM | And have some tutorial where I can check this? I don´t find any tutorial | 20:58 |
| CristianDM | ;( | 20:58 |
| CristianDM | :( | 20:58 |
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| CristianDM | ZYKES-? | 21:05 |
| CristianDM | sorry, zykes-? :P I am cleaning my keyboard :P | 21:06 |
| zykes- | CristianDM: Nope, I dunno where the docs are at for that | 21:09 |
| zykes- | maybe we can poke annegentle ? | 21:09 |
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| nvez | Have you guys tried setting up a DevStack and tinkering around? | 21:12 |
| CristianDM | What is annegentle ? | 21:13 |
| nvez | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ceph-block-driver | 21:13 |
| nvez | Looks like rbd volumes with Ceph are implemented | 21:13 |
| CristianDM | So, is in the core of openstack? | 21:14 |
| nvez | well rbd looks implemented | 21:14 |
| CristianDM | Yes, but I don´t understand if this is inside the core or is a plugin | 21:16 |
| nvez | looks like it's inside the core.. | 21:16 |
| CristianDM | Wow. But openstack include this without approval? Is pending approval | 21:17 |
| nvez | you can setup an rbd pool and setup the settings for it and it should work... | 21:17 |
| nvez | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/volume/driver.py#L57 | 21:17 |
| zykes- | there's no docs for it nyov | 21:17 |
| CristianDM | I will try. I will find by this variables in google | 21:18 |
| nvez | CristianDM: first just setup an rbd pool with ceph and then get openstack to run with it | 21:20 |
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| CristianDM | Ok. First I will build a rbd pool. | 21:28 |
| CristianDM | I next i don´t know hot to setup the pool. | 21:29 |
| CristianDM | I will check this in the openstack docs | 21:29 |
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| nvez | it's best to actaully have the storage working and setup | 21:39 |
| nvez | then do the other stuff you need | 21:39 |
| CristianDM | Yes, I will to setup Ceph in two servers now | 21:40 |
| CristianDM | And next check the side of openstack | 21:41 |
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| zykes- | what sucks though nvez is that if you have both ceph and ISCSI you can't pick where volumes should be attached from no ? | 22:26 |
| nvez | zykes-: not sure, cant answer you on that | 22:27 |
| nvez | i dont see why you'd have one single backend however | 22:27 |
| zykes- | single how ? | 22:29 |
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