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vrturbocan anyone tell me how you can move a glance image from one glance node to another ?00:45
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1007038 in nova "Nova is issuing unnecessary ROLLBACK statements to MySQL" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100703808:02
uvirtbotNew bug: #1007043 in nova "exception deepcopying RpcContext" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100704308:02
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1007076 in tempest "test_networks is failing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100707608:02
uvirtbotNew bug: #1007084 in nova "nova libvirt driver requires iscsi initiator name regardless of using it in volume drivers" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100708408:02
uvirtbotNew bug: #1007093 in glance "glance add uploads a double image if using ssl and images is smaller the 4k" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100709308:02
uvirtbotNew bug: #1007116 in nova "nova should support showing 'DELETED' servers" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100711608:03
uvirtbotNew bug: #1007132 in quantum "Sphinx conf should detect quantum version" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100713208:03
uvirtbotNew bug: #1007144 in ceilometer "set up packaging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100714408:03
uvirtbotNew bug: #1007151 in horizon "netaddr dependency is overweight" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100715108:03
uvirtbotNew bug: #1007153 in quantum "XS should not have the centos repo enabled by quantum this can break the system" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100715308:03
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1007027 in nova "Unnecessary "SELECT 1" statements spamming MySQL server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100702708:04
uvirtbotNew bug: #1007110 in devstack "stack.sh hangs at 'Downloading/unpacking django>=1.4'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100711008:04
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uvirtbotNew bug: #993666 in devstack "DNS stops during install" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99366608:05
uvirtbotNew bug: #1007294 in melange "run_tests.sh doesn't work with sqlite" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100729408:05
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WilliamHerryany one can give me some url about file injection and metadata? I can't find with google08:40
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1007307 in nova "Unittest case pollutes httplib" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100730708:41
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1007267 in nova "Fail to migrate VM with attached volume" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100726708:49
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1007266 in nova "rescue broken in libvirt for images without kernel and ramdisk" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100726608:50
uvirtbotNew bug: #1007278 in tempest "Test Cases: Positive test cases for Volume Snapshot extension" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100727808:50
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1007309 in melange "run_tests.sh fails to create venv" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100730908:51
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Fu4nyhi, can anyone help me with keystone installation09:29
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Fu4nyhello09:42
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keruspeHi10:05
keruspeStill didn't find a place listing all openstack's dependencies. Could anyone please tell me what they are ?10:06
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melmothkeruspe, what about installing and then querying existing packages depenency ?10:16
melmothor installin devstack and looking at  already define pip dependencies ?10:16
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keruspemelmoth: I'm actually packaging it, so how would I install it ? :)10:39
keruspearen't the dependencies a key part of a documentation ?10:39
melmothkeruspe, install it from a distro where it s already packaged ?10:40
melmothsecond option is pip requirte10:40
keruspemelmoth: ok, so the procedure to get a list of dependencies, instead of getting it simply provided by developpers is : installing an os, then installing a software, and make a diff of packages ? woohoo10:41
melmoththat s the only way i know of. may be i m missing something.10:42
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melmothbut up to now,i have been relying on either apt-get or on pip10:42
melmothhmm, i was not thinking about diffing dpkg -l before and after install10:45
melmothi was thinking about looking in the exisiting rules file to see what are the dependencies define there10:46
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djdbhi. the question is about storage. is it hard to change number of zones and replicas in future? we're planning to start with two servers in two zones with two replicas and it will be fine when we'll have ability to serve 10 servers in 4 zones with 3 replicas in future.11:26
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trapniHi. I'm having a single nova-network, that ideally should route project network <-> legacy network (for soft migrating to OpenStack). but somehow, trying to connect from legacy host to OpenStack, telnet gives me the prompt (e.g. to ssh), but no communication is happening (writing/reading).11:34
trapniWhat could be the problem here?11:34
trapnithe other way around fails, too, but there I can't even connect, it seems.11:34
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_val_Is it possible to generate a public key which will be availiable for all created instances?11:45
_val_e.g  I did ssh-keygen -t rsa11:46
_val_created an id_rsa.pub in /root/.ssh/11:46
_val_This key is availiable if I create the instance as admin but not as e.g user nova11:46
_val_anyone?11:46
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melmoth_val_, euca-add-keypair  is what you are looking for i guess11:54
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melmothyou generate the key pair with this tool, then you tell nova to use it when it run an instance with euca-run11:55
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_val_melmoth: so I generated the keypair.12:13
melmoth_val_,  this is how i use to do http://pastebin.com/8yUAjzsA12:14
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_val_melmoth: I used this nova keypair-add --pub_key id_rsa.pub key112:15
melmothnever used it, but if it works as i would expect, ssh should just works now 'out of the box' (as long as your default ssh private key match the id_rsa.pub one you used)12:16
_val_melmoth: and I run the instance as follow: nova boot --flavor 1 --image d33jf1h1-5311-4432-81dd-23434234dwd2d --key_name CloudKey CloudServer12:17
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melmothno idea how things works with the pure nova client directly12:17
_val_melmoth: I'm more intereseted in where this public key is stored? database?12:18
melmothmost probably (i would guess the nova database)12:18
_val_see. Doing that without  using euca-..  I just can  ssh -i Private-Key ubuntu@IP_ADDR12:18
_val_I just log into the instance/server12:18
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MLegatushi all12:26
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MLegatusanybody here who is using openstack with ESXi as hypervisior?12:27
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MLegatusI have the problem that the deploying of the instance is working but the instance then is not booting with the failure "Operation system not found"12:28
_val_melmoth: loggin in as user nova and launching an instance will ask you for a keypair to use. But there is none. So I guess nova user does not have access to the generated keypair12:28
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MLegatusis anything special to pay attention when deploying to a ESXi server?12:28
MLegatusspecial image?12:28
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ijwAnyone tried using noVNC via a proxy?  Granted there's only a small chance it would work, but the failure I'm getting at the moment is an internal error from noVNC itself, and I can't find a log of the problem.12:31
pyis anyone here good with keystone + swift ?12:34
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melmothpy i got it working once or twice.12:34
pymelmoth: nice12:35
pydo you have any tutorial writen maybe ?12:35
melmothnot yet.12:36
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johnnyhello12:36
pyjohnny: is my friend working on this12:36
melmothi wrote some stuff, but am not sure wether i m allowed to distribute it (yet)12:36
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pyi understand we have problem with authorization12:36
py40112:36
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pyif we connect to keystone it works port 5000 (following openstack tutorial), swift works as well standalone version but comabing this together there is 401 error12:39
koolhead11py: have you modified swift-proxy.conf to use keystone12:39
pykoolhead11: yes i did12:39
pykoolhead11: sorry no i didnt touch swift-proxy.conf12:40
pyonly proxy-server.conf12:40
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koolhead11py: http://docs.openstack.org/essex/openstack-compute/starter/content/Configure_Swift_Proxy_Server-d2s752.html12:43
koolhead11Madkiss: around12:44
koolhead11LinuxJedi: hey there12:44
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Madkisskoolhead11: yes.12:46
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1007395 in horizon "Only root disk size of instances is shown on instance detail page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100739512:56
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pykoolhead11: what should i change in swift-proxy.conf ?13:04
pyi mean i even do not have swift-proxy.conf13:04
koolhead11py: read [filter:authtoken] section :)13:05
pyaha13:05
pykoolhead11: which endpoints do i need to use13:05
koolhead11py: i would suggest you to read complete doc and then come up with specific question you have. :)13:06
py:)13:07
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1007402 in nova "Creating instance with volume root device doesn't works" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100740213:16
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Madkisshum. what nova.conf flag does define the IP that nova-compute will use to contact glance?13:39
Madkissah, got it13:40
Madkiss2012-06-01 15:43:32 TRACE nova.rpc.amqp LockFailed: failed to create /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/skunk-7c093700-4fca2d0.2744013:43
Madkisswtf.13:43
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kodapahello13:52
kodapais it possible to do block migration with rsync instead of scp?13:53
^rcaskeyhowdy all, are there any announced upcoming OpenStack conferences?13:53
kodapabecause scp is really slow, it goes just in 40 Mbps13:53
kodapabeen waiting a while to migrate a 300 GB instance13:53
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CristianDMHi.13:57
CristianDMIs it possible backup instances?13:57
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Raziquehello all :)13:59
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Madkissrunning into a problem here.14:02
Madkissnova-compute automatically adds this to my iptables ruleset14:02
Madkiss-A nova-network-PREROUTING -d 169.254.169.254/32 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.1:877514:02
Madkissthat's wrong, actually, the destination would be 10.43.0.314:03
Madkisswhat value in nova.conf do I have to edit to change that behaviour?14:03
RaziqueMadkiss check your endpoint14:03
Raziquedo you use KS ?14:03
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MadkissRazique: keystone you mean? yes14:03
Raziqueyup14:03
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Raziquethe catalog is into the DB or inot the KS catalog's file ?14:04
Madkisssql.14:04
Raziqueok14:04
Raziquecheck the "endpoints" table14:04
Madkisshttp://paste.debian.net/172376/14:04
Madkissthese are my endpoints14:04
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Raziqueok and into nova.conf ?14:05
Madkisswhat parameter are you looking for in there?14:05
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Madkisshttp://paste.debian.net/172377/14:06
Madkissthat's the beast14:06
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annegentleanyone have thoughts about adding a video to the wiki home page, like so: http://wiki.openstack.org/Sandbox14:06
RaziqueI think it's the nova api ip14:06
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MadkissRazique: isn't that the cc_host-thing?14:07
RaziqueMadkiss ec2_dmz_host14:07
Madkissaaah14:07
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annegentleinput or protests welcome14:07
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Raziquehey annegentle :)14:10
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MadkissRazique: that didn't do it yet.14:10
RaziqueMadkiss did you restarted nova-network ?14:10
annegentlehey Razique what did you think about the nova-volumes scaling query?14:10
Madkissthis is a compute node. there is no nova-network running.14:10
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Raziquedoes nova-compute sets by itself routing rules ?14:11
Madkissno, but iptables-rules, apparently14:11
Raziqueannegentle : yes I replied14:11
uvirtbotNew bug: #1007436 in nova "Creating volume from snapshot failed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100743614:11
RaziqueI'll update the diablo doc14:11
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Raziqueas for the trunk/essex ones, I'll perforrm tests14:12
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Raziquesince nova-volume has now its own api endpoint with the removal of the flag, I don't know yet how it works14:12
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RaziqueMadkiss : mmm weird, let me check14:12
Raziquethe iptables' nat rule doesn't get changed ?14:13
Raziqueif not, inno the nova.conf of the ap-server update also the flag14:13
Raziqueand restarted nova-network + nova-api14:13
Razique(meanwhile flush the rule14:13
Madkisslemme check something, I purged all iptables rules and will try again.14:14
Raziqueiptables -t nat -D prerouting X14:14
Madkissokay14:15
Madkisslooks like that did it.14:15
Madkissflushing all rules and starting all over i mean14:15
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Madkisswell, by now, there is no iptables-rule for it anymore, as I defined the dmz-host myself.14:15
Madkissapparently.14:15
Madkissi can live with that.14:16
Raziquewhat do you mean ?14:16
Raziquethe prerouting rules doesn't get created ?14:16
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MadkissI don't see it anymore at least.14:16
Madkissbut now it works.14:16
Madkiss;)14:16
annegentleRazique: ha getting through the email pile now :) thanks!14:17
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Raziqueannegentle sure14:18
RaziqueMadkiss : it is weird indeed14:18
Raziquebut I guess as long as it works :D14:18
Razique(that is always the scariest part)14:19
Raziqueannegentle : migration ongoing14:19
RaziqueI hope soon the docs will there14:19
RaziqueI don't have any specific time, but after the migration rush i'm on, I'll have more time14:20
annegentleok cool - and really you're learning about the migration as you migrate so it's all good :)14:20
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Raziqueyes totally :-)14:23
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1007447 in tempest "Improper handling of return code 202 in some cases" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100744714:26
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_val_Hey guys. Going to install a clean machine as swift-proxy14:27
_val_Now the problem is the storage type. What to chose  ZFS/XFS?14:28
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Razique_val_ hey14:30
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Raziquemaybe that would hlep you http://serverfault.com/questions/190/zfs-vs-xfs14:30
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_val_Hey Razique . Thanks but this is not really OpenStack specific. I've read about zfs vs xfs. xfs has been fully tested by openstack devs and is recommanded. However I don't know how it will work with ubuntu14:33
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_val_And. If I have swift-proxy running on xfs and other object-store nodes running on zfs. Will this make any difference?14:35
Razique_val_ what are the criterions for you ?14:35
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Razique_val_ nope, not that I'm aware of :)14:35
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_val_Razique: I want to build a pool zpool I guess. I've some 30GB's 80GB's sata drives.14:36
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_val_Just curios what choose and how to choose. I guess / (root partition) can remain ext4 while the other disk space is zfs14:37
_val_s/curios/curious14:38
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notmyname_val_: I'd recommend xfs (and it does work with ubuntu). while there are some patches proposed to better support some zfs semantics in swift, they aren't merged yet and I don't know of any prod clusters using it14:38
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_val_notmyname: What about partitioning the swift-proxy server for example?14:40
_val_Will it be just another default installation?14:41
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BAka_athi people, just a quick one, I'm experiencing 'No handlers could be found for logger "keystone.middleware.auth_token"' could someone point me in the right direction of sorting that out  ?14:43
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notmyname_val_: what do you mena by partitioning the proxy?14:49
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_val_notmyname: I mean. When I do a clean install of ubuntu on a physical machine. How would I partition the drives14:54
_val_the disk space?14:54
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_val_is it just as another ubuntu installation or should I install the  / (root partition) as ext4 and the rest leave zfs14:54
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alopquestion, when I run 'nova-manage service list' I see all my nodes, but they're all in "XXX" state, what is the typical troubleshoot to get this corrected?14:57
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notmyname_val_: ah. you should use full drives for the swift data drives. however you do OS drives is up to you. (BTW-a dedicated proxy server won't have any swift data drives)15:00
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elzidhi guys anyone getting red notifications on openstack dashboard like: Error: Unable to get service info: This error may be caused by a misconfigured Nova url in keystone's service catalog after installation?15:57
elzidsimilar message RE usage info and volumes15:58
elzideg, after setting up a new instance, I get a green bar saying instance successfully launched and a red bar with Error: Unable to fetch volumes: n/a15:59
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matiuis Dan Prince in here ?16:10
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matiudprince, hi, would you like to discuss the 'disabled' image_type fix ?16:16
matiuhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/8007/16:17
dprincematiu: sure. Are you Rick?16:17
matiuno, but I was following him when he did the coding :)16:17
matiuRick's taking a long weekend16:17
dprincematiu: Ah. Cool.16:17
matiuhe'll be in on Monday16:17
matiuso you have some good arguments16:18
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matiuone advantage I can think of for the fix is that when you build an instance with a disabled flavor16:18
matiuit'd fail to build in the api layer16:19
matiurather than creating an instance with error state16:19
matiubut I guess that could be done with 'deleted' too16:19
dprincematiu: yes. I think we can actually pull this off with just 'deleted'.16:20
matiuI think the main difference is a 'disabled' image is still there, maybe a more temporary state than deleted16:20
matiuour use case is, we have a tonne of custs with one flavor16:20
matiuand we want to stop new custs building from it16:20
dprincematiu: Sure. But still allow a REBUILD to occur?16:20
matiubut to have all the existing instances remain16:20
dprinceon the existing instances?16:21
matiuyeah, so you can rebuild as that changes the 'image' not the 'flavor'16:21
matiuand also admin's can migrate and keep the same flavor16:21
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matiu(in case of host failure for example)16:21
matiubut customer's can't resize to that size16:22
matiuWe did originally look at using 'deleted' but we weren't able to make it work nicely16:22
kpeppledprince , matiu : do we want to just add the ability to "hide" instance_types or should we move to actual have permissions for instance_types ? i know that I had a number of customers that wanted a "private" or "protected" instance_type that wasn't available to the general public.16:22
matiubut I can't remember the specific reasons :(16:23
matiuin this case, basically just hide it16:23
dprincematiu: Sure. Talk it over with Rick I guess. My thought is that using 'deleted' might make this implementation fit better into the core API.16:23
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matiuour main concern was actually the hacky way we return the 'disabled' status to admins16:24
dprincekpepple: That sounds like a new feature which would probably require an extension to support.16:24
matiuwhere we're putting a namespace usage in the core code16:24
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dprincekpepple: Right now we are just talking about a mechanism to prevent users from spawning new servers from a deleted/disabled image type.16:24
matiuwe were thinking in the long run to actually just copy the flavor data to the instance that was created16:25
matiurather than linking to it16:25
kpeppledprince: ok. and agree on the new feature … not sure if we need an extension though … seems like it could be handled all on the backend16:25
matiuso less maintenance would be required for existing flavors16:25
matiuthe reason we added namespace for 'disabled' was so we could get the change in initially without having to alter the API spec16:26
dprincematiu: which file has the 'hacky way' in it for admin's?16:26
matiubut coding the whole thing as an extension was way more complicated than it needed to be16:26
matiuhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/8007/1/nova/api/openstack/compute/views/flavors.py16:27
matiuline 5616:27
matiumy thinking was namespaces suggest that it's an extension16:27
matiubut it's not :P16:27
matiuso we were hoping to get feedback on that way of adding a field to the OS api16:28
dprincematiu: Yeah. That is bad. Making use of the extension in core seems wrong.16:28
dprincematiu: My vote is still to try and do this with just 'deleted'. I think it would be a lot less code.16:28
matiuHopefully Rick will remember why we didn't use deleted on Monday16:29
matiuthere was a reason, but I can't remember what :(16:29
dprincematiu: Cool. Well lets talk on IRC then.16:29
comstudhmm16:29
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matiudprince, you mentioned in your review that we recently made deleted images visible16:30
matiuis there a link to that I can read about ?16:30
comstudI think it's just somewhat odd behavior that you have to make a deleted instance type show up when querying it16:30
matiuwhat was the reasoning behind that ?16:30
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comstudand things 'make more sense' when you add a new field that says 'can_be_built_from'16:31
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comstudand then deleting instance_types while they are still in use just because 'unsupported'.16:31
comstudbecomes16:31
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dprincecomstud: re: show up when querying it.... we do the same for images. i.e. if you delete an image and query it you'll see 'DELETED'.16:36
dprincecomstud: I actually didn't know that until earlier this week. So it would seem that /flavors and /images are now consistent.16:36
comstudi see16:36
comstudok16:36
comstudwell16:36
dprincecomstud: furthermore... I was going to do the same for /servers.16:36
comstudexcept you can't tell the flavor has been deleted.16:36
comstudor did jk0 add that in an extension?16:37
comstudi didn't check16:37
comstudok.16:37
dprincecomstud: deleted flavors don't show up in a list16:37
comstudyeah, but are they tagged as deleted on a show?16:37
comstudcan the user tell?16:37
dprinceyes.16:37
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1007516 in nova "novaclient should support flavor-show" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100751616:46
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1007518 in cinder "Lock down test_requires pep8 version in cinder" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100751816:50
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1007520 in cinder "Lock down test_requires pep8 version in python-cinderclient" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100752017:01
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nikhil__ant: are you sure its not 1TB and 10GB?17:18
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trapnican it be, that a nova-compute restart also restarts all KVMs it currently serves?17:19
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ogelbukhno it should not17:25
trapnihm17:25
trapniI wonder why at least one instane seems to be rebooted from time to time then.17:26
uvirtbotNew bug: #1007528 in openstack-manuals "Add information about scaling out additional volume nodes for Compute" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100752817:26
trapnido you know what service is actually reading the vpn_image_id flag value from nova.conf? so I should know what service to restart explicitely?17:26
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cheez0rwell hi, zaf17:37
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zafo no its u17:38
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annegentleanyone have any love/hate/meh for adding a video to the OpenStack wiki homepage like so? http://wiki.openstack.org/Sandbox17:57
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avoineannegentle: looks really nice18:00
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GlaceeWhat is the software used for http://docs.openstack.org ?18:12
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1007557 in quantum "cleanup unused util functions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100755718:41
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kpeppleGlacee: i believe that is generated from the https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals repo with maven and the docbook toolchain. annegentle would know for sure.18:48
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annegentleGlacee: yes, the maven plugin that makes the web help output from Docbook is found at https://github.com/rackspace/clouddocs-maven-plugin18:52
annegentleGlacee: so it's Docbook source, Maven plugin on Jenkins auto-builds after the source submissions are reviewed and voted on with Gerrit18:52
* annegentle needs to write a blog post describing it all18:52
annegentleI'd also like to recruit a community dev who would like to work on the clouddocs-maven-plugin (and could hire an intern to do it this summer, too)18:53
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1007573 in nova "affinity filters don't work if scheduler_hints is None" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100757319:30
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zykes-can anyone recommend puppet modules to use for deployment ?20:27
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jeremybthere's the officialish ones20:28
rustlebeepuppet labs has some IIRC20:28
rustlebeehttps://github.com/puppetlabs/puppetlabs-openstack20:28
jeremyband a mailing list too20:29
jeremybhttps://groups.google.com/a/puppetlabs.com/group/puppet-openstack/topics20:30
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evanjfraserhi guys, I've just configured openstack on ubuntu 12.04 like the example, but I'm getting the following error when viewing volumes in horizon: Error: Unable to fetch volumes: n/a (HTTP 400)20:58
evanjfraserany ideas what the problem is?20:59
evanjfraserI also get this error when viewing images + snapshots: Error: Unable to retrieve volume snapshots.20:59
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evanjfraserand when I tried to create a volume I got this: Error: Error Creating Volume: n/a21:03
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evanjfraserso it just looks like horizon that can't talk to nova-volume21:11
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evanjfraserbecause I can create a volume and view it fine with the nova command21:11
evanjfraserand it appears in lvdisplay21:11
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contextwhat do people here use for storage, im looking to replace my Drobo FS but its hard to find nice 5-6 bay cases pref. that are hot swappable21:14
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evanjfraserHey context, out of curiosity, what protocols/methods are you providing the storage for openstack?21:15
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contexti plan on running NexentaStor. i haven't actually used openstack yet. drobo is much too slow and dont even know if openstack will run happily with it21:17
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evanjfraserYay, got it.  I went through and recreated the nova-volume endpoint21:46
uvirtbotNew bug: #1007615 in nova "block device mappings sometimes returns None, causing traceback and failure to terminate errored VM" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100761521:46
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trapnithe standard logrotate for Essex on 12.04 seems NOT to work, because it truncates the log files, but then it stays empty forever.22:48
trapniis there any process signal I can sent to the nova-* services to inform them about the log rotation?22:48
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1007648 in nova "Add python stack trace to SQL comment strings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100764823:16
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1007653 in quantum "Failed to ping from linux bridge's  gw ip" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/100765323:41
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