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| Madkiss | duh. fun with nova-network again | 08:35 |
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| Madkiss | is there anything I can do to find out what nova-network wants my br100 interface to look like so that I can make that the interface configuration? | 09:01 |
| Madkiss | I'm fighting against windmills | 09:01 |
| Madkiss | it tries to delete all ip addresses | 09:02 |
| Madkiss | and for whatever reason fails | 09:02 |
| Madkiss | 2012-06-02 10:45:09 TRACE nova Stderr: 'Error: either "local" is duplicate, or "secondary" is a garbage.\n' | 09:02 |
| sgran | what sort of setup are you trying to do? | 09:02 |
| Madkiss | I just want nova-network to not touch my br100. | 09:02 |
| Madkiss | I don't want it to delete or add any addresses there. | 09:02 |
| Madkiss | I want nova to use it. and that's it. | 09:02 |
| sgran | is this flat, dhcp, vlan? | 09:03 |
| Madkiss | flatdhcp. | 09:03 |
| Madkiss | I had it working until an hour ago, when decided to use multi_host=T. | 09:03 |
| Madkiss | apparently, nova-network expects br100 to look differently with multi_host=T | 09:03 |
| Madkiss | and now it's screwing with my IP addresses again. | 09:03 |
| Madkiss | it apparently tries to remove all addresses from it, and uses the "secondary" parameter even for the last IP address the interface has | 09:04 |
| Madkiss | which is a bug I think | 09:04 |
| Madkiss | which is why nova-network crashes, which is why the machine becomes unreachable. | 09:04 |
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| sgran | mutlihost=T expects to own the interface, as it will be adding ip addresses to it for each vm it brings up | 09:04 |
| Madkiss | so I can not use an already existing bridge with multihost=T? | 09:05 |
| sgran | let's back up a step. What is your network topology and what are you hoping to do with multihost? | 09:06 |
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| Madkiss | I have one controller and one node. | 09:06 |
| sgran | ie, do your compute nodes have 2 nics? are your vms on the same subnet as your compute nodes, or hidden behind them with nat? | 09:06 |
| Madkiss | the node is unable to connect to connet to the internet | 09:07 |
| Madkiss | because the according DNAT and SNAT rules are not set on that machine. | 09:07 |
| Madkiss | so I guessed I need to run nova-network to achieve that | 09:07 |
| Madkiss | and that's whjere multihost came in. | 09:07 |
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| sgran | what's the network topology ? | 09:08 |
| Madkiss | what do you mean? | 09:08 |
| sgran | 10:06:52 < sgran> ie, do your compute nodes have 2 nics? are your vms on the same subnet as your compute nodes, or hidden behind them with nat? | 09:08 |
| Madkiss | they do have two nics, but only one is available to nova. | 09:08 |
| sgran | so, the compute nodes have eth0 on one network and the vm bridge on another? | 09:09 |
| Madkiss | no. the compute nodes have eth0 and br100 on top of it and that is what I want nova to use. | 09:10 |
| sgran | so you are putting the vms on the same (physical) network as the compute node and the controller? | 09:11 |
| Madkiss | the physical network is the same. the ip network is not. | 09:11 |
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| Madkiss | my hosts are in 10.43.0.0/24, I want my VMs to be in 192.168.22.32/255.255.255.224 | 09:12 |
| sgran | out of interest, why? This really loses a lot, and I don't see what it gains | 09:12 |
| sgran | ie, since there is no physical separation, bypassing security groups is trivial | 09:12 |
| sgran | you add complexity to the compute nodes, and you lose automatic management of the backend network | 09:13 |
| Madkiss | Okay, so what do you suggest I do? | 09:13 |
| sgran | I'd either put the vms on the same physical and logical subnet and tell dnsmasq to have them use the normal gateway, or I'd put them physically behind the compute node(s), using a resilient nova-network pair for a gateway/firewall | 09:14 |
| sgran | ie, either of options 2 or 4 here : http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/existing-ha-networking-options.html | 09:16 |
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| sgran | depending on whether the isolation that having the vms in a private network gives you matters in your case | 09:16 |
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| Madkiss | ahum. | 09:21 |
| Madkiss | gah, now I'm in this awful situation again where nova-compute will just not do anything | 09:22 |
| Madkiss | sgran: well, that's wonderful, but, erm, again, nova-network is just taking br100 down again, even without multihost | 09:27 |
| Madkiss | it would be REALLY helpful if nova-network just wrote down into its logfile what it expects the interface to actually *look like* | 09:29 |
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| Madkiss | instead of just starting to take it down ip by ip, and even doing it in a buggy manner, so that one ends up with an unreachable system | 09:30 |
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| Madkiss | yippieh | 09:49 |
| Madkiss | and there we go again | 09:49 |
| Madkiss | sgran: how do I make nova NOT TOUCH br100? | 09:49 |
| Madkiss | the IP it expects to be there is in | 09:49 |
| Madkiss | this is just total nonsense | 09:50 |
| Madkiss | or is it because br100 has another IP in the same network? | 09:52 |
| sgran | Madkiss: what led you to believe that this would work? I suspect that asking nova to manage something dynamically and wanting to manage it statically at the same time is just a misconfiguration | 09:52 |
| Madkiss | sgran: actually, what led me to believe that this would work was the fact that it did until round about two hours go. | 09:53 |
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| Madkiss | I had br100 set up with an IP address, nova-network would start up, see that the IP is there and not touch the damn interface. | 09:53 |
| sgran | so, I'm not an openstack dev, I'm not personally invested in the project, and it's Saturday morning | 09:54 |
| Madkiss | and as far as I understand it, this is documented behaviour. If I want nova-network to use an already existing bridge, I can set it up in that way | 09:54 |
| sgran | there's probably no reason for you to be hostile with me | 09:54 |
| sgran | I understand that you're frustrated, but I find it unhelpful | 09:54 |
| Madkiss | I'm not hostile with you, sorry. I'm just desperate, because it's not working. and not helpful. | 09:54 |
| Madkiss | and not documented. | 09:54 |
| Madkiss | which is an euphemisim. | 09:54 |
| sgran | I am trying to say that I think this method of configuration is not likely to work, no matter if a doc somewhere says it will or not | 09:55 |
| sgran | basic networking says mixing various subnets on the same physical layer is a bad idea | 09:55 |
| ijw | Madkiss: I take it you haven't actually changed your software version or anything? | 09:55 |
| Madkiss | ijw: that is correct. | 09:56 |
| Madkiss | sgran: I am down to 10.43.0.0/24 on the host now. for the host, and for VMs, just as you suggested. | 09:56 |
| ijw | sgran: I think that's a bit overly general. There are many times when you don't want to do it but it's not a completely stupid thing to do. | 09:56 |
| Madkiss | What's happening is that nova-network starts up, deletes all IP addresses from br100 (or at least tries to do so, it fails) and the machine is unreachable. | 09:56 |
| ijw | Also, nova-network is a bit sucky and we should also be using Quantum. ;) | 09:56 |
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| Madkiss | can I use quantum in an environment without a vlan capable switch, with two machines only? | 09:57 |
| ijw | Yes, you use openvSwitch in the kernel. That said, I'm setting it up myself at the moment and I'm not there yet so I don't know how hard you'll find it to get working. | 09:58 |
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| ijw | But, basically: your quantum server node runs quantum-server and whichever quantum plugin you choose (e.g. OVS) and both your nodes run the quantum OVS agent which responds to changes in network requirements and reconfigures the OVS setup. | 09:59 |
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| ijw | The server is the API and propagates network changes. The agents receive the changes and configure the OVS in the local kernel accordingly. Over the physical network it uses VLANs or tunnelling depending on setup. | 10:00 |
| ijw | As I say, I've not got it running, so there may be huge caveats here. But that is the theory. | 10:01 |
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| Madkiss | cool, now it doesn't work with the old configuration anymore, either | 10:03 |
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| ijw | Madkiss: wait a day or two till the phase of the moon changes. | 10:04 |
| Madkiss | 2012-06-02 12:04:17 TRACE nova Stderr: 'Error: either "local" is duplicate, or "secondary" is a garbage.\n' | 10:04 |
| Madkiss | that's just ridicioulous. | 10:04 |
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| Madkiss | ijw, sgran: I think I got it | 10:35 |
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| Madkiss | jup. | 10:38 |
| Madkiss | ijw, sgran: Just in case somebody ever stumbles across a similar issue: If you want to configure your bridge manually, you have to make the nova IP the *first* one on the define. secondary's don't work. | 10:38 |
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| Madkiss | Okay, and now the metadata thing doesn't work again, and trying to log into the VM leads to "Connection reset by peer" messages | 10:57 |
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| Madkiss | When booting my VMs, during lxmount, I see "http://169.254.169.254 failed: http error [404]" | 11:10 |
| Madkiss | anybody seen this? | 11:10 |
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| Madkiss | cool, and now it appears I hit https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/982356 | 11:28 |
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| Madkiss | okay, worked around that | 11:46 |
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| koolhead17 | Madkiss, busy day :) | 11:57 |
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| Madkiss | koolhead17: oh well. | 12:00 |
| koolhead17 | hola zul | 12:01 |
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| Madkiss | ha. | 12:50 |
| Madkiss | got it. | 12:50 |
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| deepakcs | Hello, can someone tell me how I can have swift talk to my own storage array ( either SAN or NAS).. how is this achieved in swift/openstack ? | 13:06 |
| deepakcs | in other words, Is there a way/method to connect to external storage arrays in openstack/swift | 13:07 |
| Trixboxer | deepakcs: does your storage gets showed as block device to swift server ? | 13:12 |
| deepakcs | Trixboxer, i am not yet started using openstack, but evaluating it.. so if my storage is SAN, it has LUNs ( seen as block device on host) and if i had NAS ( its files and nfs exports as seen by host) | 13:12 |
| Trixboxer | you need LUNs | 13:13 |
| Trixboxer | AFAIK | 13:13 |
| AndyMillar | deepakcs: if you're connecting to a storage array in that way then are you sure your application is suited to a cloud like environment? | 13:13 |
| deepakcs | Trixboxer, ok... so how do I tell swift to create storage (aka LUNs here) in my external storae box ( eg: ibm ds8k) ? | 13:14 |
| deepakcs | AndyMillar, did not get your Q.. how is using storage array related to cloud or not ? | 13:14 |
| Trixboxer | deepakcs: basically the swift servers handle it | 13:15 |
| Trixboxer | you make a server as a swift server by installing swift on it | 13:15 |
| deepakcs | AndyMillar, Trixboxer my larger aim is to exploit storage offload capabilities provided by the external storage arrays.. wondering if swift today has a mechanism to allow me to doso ? | 13:15 |
| Trixboxer | you need to put some 3+ LUNS on it for replication and other stuff | 13:15 |
| Trixboxer | and then configure swift the way you want | 13:16 |
| Trixboxer | "aim is to exploit storage offload capabilities provided by the external storage arrays" <== can you brief ? | 13:16 |
| AndyMillar | I suppose th answer your actual question you'll want to do what Trixboxer says, as what you want to do should work | 13:16 |
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| AndyMillar | but the premise of cloud computing is transient nodes with transient data, so SAN backing everything seems backwards | 13:18 |
| deepakcs | Trixboxer, so what you are saying only answers part of Q... i can say provision a thin provisioned LUN(s) and assign to the swift server, but the storage array can have more capabilities like copy-offload, remote mirroring, etc.. how to exploit those ? | 13:18 |
| deepakcs | AndyMillar, transient nodes and transient data <== can you explain what this means ? | 13:19 |
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| AndyMillar | rkukura: you wouldn't use the remote mirroring stuff, swift handles that for you | 13:19 |
| AndyMillar | deepakcs: physical and virtual nodes are unreliable, storage is unreliable | 13:20 |
| Trixboxer | deepakcs: swift is a mechanism which replicates and ensures redundancy availability and API access to data | 13:20 |
| Trixboxer | imaging it like S3 | 13:20 |
| deepakcs | AndyMillar, but swift would do it in software.. array does it in hw.. i feel thats more efficient and imp.ly the host/swift server is not doing the work.. its offloaded. | 13:20 |
| AndyMillar | deepakcs: see my initial comment when I asked if cloud technology was right for your application | 13:20 |
| Trixboxer | now what you do below to your LUNs and Disks or what processor you use whats your RAM ECC is thats all on you | 13:20 |
| deepakcs | AndyMillar, ok i understand.. you are syaing with commodity storage/hosts storage can be unreliable, hence the reliability is added/provided via swift using software. | 13:21 |
| AndyMillar | the point of "the cloud" is to take advantage of cheap commodity hardware | 13:21 |
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| AndyMillar | if you're throwing enterprise kit at it, you're doing it wrong | 13:21 |
| deepakcs | AndyMillar, ok .. i am getting your point.. but then it also means that if someone has a good storage array with offload features, it can be exploited to its fullest.. and he/she should look for cheap commodity storage even when he/she has expensive storage ? | 13:22 |
| AndyMillar | ok, the actual question should be... | 13:22 |
| AndyMillar | what are you actually trying to do? | 13:22 |
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| AndyMillar | (people miss-use "The Cloud", and it angers me) | 13:23 |
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| Trixboxer | swift offers great reliability redundancy performance and API on cheap hw so you dont need enterprise | 13:23 |
| Trixboxer | but if you use it then its justa cherry on the pie :) | 13:23 |
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| deepakcs | Trixboxer, AndyMillar i understand .. in response to "what r u actually tring to do?" - my answer would be.. I was figuring out if someone had storage array already, how does swift fit in there ? can it use that storage and exploit its capabilities. | 13:25 |
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| AndyMillar | not really, we're pretty much binning our "enterprise" storage for our cloud | 13:26 |
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| deepakcs | AndyMillar, binning ? | 13:26 |
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| AndyMillar | well, we're not using any of it | 13:26 |
| AndyMillar | (actually, I've got no persistent storage at all, thinking about it) | 13:27 |
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| deepakcs | AndyMillar, Trixboxer thanks, i guess i got my asnwer.. do not mix enterprise class storage with swift/cloud in general :) | 13:27 |
| AndyMillar | deepakcs: you can mix it if you like, it's just pointless :-) | 13:27 |
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| deepakcs | AndyMillar, Ya, because all the necessary features related to data integrity and reliability is provided by swift. | 13:29 |
| AndyMillar | indewed | 13:29 |
| AndyMillar | indeed* | 13:29 |
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| py | does anyone have good tutorial for swift + keystone implementation | 15:39 |
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| janisg_ | what is not satisfying you in official docs? | 15:45 |
| janisg_ | they are clear enough for simple testbed setups | 15:46 |
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| janisg_ | and i think they are the only public documents on the topic atm :> | 15:46 |
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| Madkiss | py: http://www.hastexo.com/resources/docs/installing-openstack-essex-20121-ubuntu-1204-precise-pangolin | 16:10 |
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| py | does anyone else have problem using cyberduck and swift + ssl ? | 17:09 |
| py | i keep getting login failed | 17:09 |
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| notmyname | py: what auth system are you using? | 17:20 |
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| py | devAuth | 17:24 |
| py | maybe this is problem | 17:24 |
| py | i should use swAuth or keystone i believe right? | 17:24 |
| Madkiss | keystone would be the preferred method, actually. | 17:24 |
| notmyname | py: I think cyberduck only supports auth 1.0. keystone doesn't support auth 1.0 anymore (IIRC) | 17:24 |
| notmyname | py: devauth? what version of swift are you using? | 17:25 |
| py | 1.5.1 | 17:25 |
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| py | SAIO install | 17:25 |
| notmyname | do you mena tempauth? | 17:25 |
| py | yes sorry | 17:26 |
| notmyname | ah ok :-) | 17:26 |
| py | tempAuth | 17:26 |
| py | : | 17:26 |
| py | :) | 17:26 |
| py | i belive i need swauth | 17:26 |
| py | right ? | 17:26 |
| notmyname | devauth was something we removed from swift over a year ago | 17:26 |
| notmyname | no, tempauth should be fine | 17:26 |
| py | hm | 17:26 |
| notmyname | are you using ssl? | 17:26 |
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| py | yes | 17:26 |
| notmyname | cyberduck requires it, but note that ssl directly on the proxy is a bad idea in prod | 17:26 |
| py | aha | 17:27 |
| py | notmyname: why is it bad? | 17:27 |
| notmyname | it's "supported" in swift for testing and POC only | 17:27 |
| py | aha | 17:27 |
| notmyname | py: python+eventlet+ssl has some bad side effects (eg https://github.com/notmyname/ssl_eventlet_slowloris) | 17:28 |
| py | i see | 17:28 |
| notmyname | you should use ssl for swift (because of the auth tokens in the headers), but terminate it with something like stud or on your load balancer | 17:29 |
| notmyname | py: what error are you getting back from cyberduck | 17:30 |
| py | notmyname: it is login failed error | 17:30 |
| py | notmyname: but it works over curl so user and pass is correct i believe :) | 17:31 |
| notmyname | py: any logs on your swift proxy? | 17:31 |
| py | sec | 17:32 |
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| py | notmyname: http://pastebin.com/HdxRGc2A | 17:34 |
| notmyname | py: 400 response, probable because of the /v1 rather than /v1.0. let me test | 17:35 |
| notmyname | ya. that's it | 17:35 |
| py | sec | 17:35 |
| py | notmyname: i did this | 17:38 |
| py | defaults write ch.sudo.cyberduck cf.authentication.context /auth/v1.0 | 17:38 |
| py | and now i get | 17:38 |
| py | Jun 2 19:36:55 cloud proxy-server - 10.10.10.1 02/Jun/2012/17/36/55 GET /auth/v1.0 HTTP/1.0 200 - Cyberduck/4.2.1%20%28Mac%20OS%20X/10.7.4%29%20%28i386%29 | 17:38 |
| py | but | 17:38 |
| py | now i get new error :) Network Error: Unexpected problem, probably in parsing Server XML | 17:39 |
| notmyname | interesting. you don't by any change have a rackspace cloud files account, do you? | 17:41 |
| notmyname | I'm not sure what cyberduck is expecting there | 17:41 |
| py | no unfrotunatly i do not have it :S | 17:41 |
| zykes- | notmyname: is multi-region sync coming soon ? :p | 17:42 |
| notmyname | zykes-: define "soon" ;-) | 17:42 |
| zykes- | 1 year ? :o | 17:43 |
| notmyname | zykes-: ok. I hope so. I should know better in a month or so. I know of a few companies that have expressed interest in using it. not sure yet how interested they are in developing it | 17:44 |
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| notmyname | py: I just added some docs to https://github.com/notmyname/ssl_eventlet_slowloris to explain the issue | 17:47 |
| py | great | 17:48 |
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| zykes- | notmyname: are you using puppet to deploy swift ? | 17:51 |
| notmyname | zykes-: not at rackspace | 17:52 |
| * zykes- wonders what you use there then ;p | 17:54 | |
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| notmyname | zykes-: we have custom kicks and use VCS to keep track of the configs. then use dsh to issue commands to groups of machines | 17:56 |
| notmyname | zykes-: our advantage is that we don't start with a generic machine | 17:57 |
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| zykes- | what you start with then ? : p | 18:07 |
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