Monday, 2012-08-13

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uvirtbotNew bug: #1036031 in horizon "Quota usage dies on deleted flavors" [High,In progress]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1036042 in swift "swift-object-replicator runs forever" [Undecided,New]
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xtrusia_does cinder support xenapi on master branch? there is no cinder.virt module06:30
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1036051 in quantum "limit default set of fields shown in *-list cmds" [Medium,Confirmed]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1036053 in python-quantumclient "inconsistent use of 'status' values" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1036057 in python-quantumclient "Authentication fails" [Undecided,New]
uvirtbotNew bug: #1036054 in quantum "inconsistent use of 'status' values" [Medium,Confirmed]
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fitzdslhello guys. What's the best distro to try OpenStack ?07:02
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kviiriOperating system? The docs seem to be written for Ubuntu so I think that's the "default" choice, but I've got a few working setups on Red Hat07:08
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erkulesI recently heard riak would like to replace swift. Ive got no clue about riak. Any deeper knowlegde/opinions about riak with openstack?07:24
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zykes-erkules: aren't they two different things ?07:30
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koolhead17erkules, better ask them how from whom you heard :)07:35
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erkuleskoolhead17: ^^07:41
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koolhead17erkules, last part sums up everything :)07:45
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erkuleskoolhead17: "Riak CS is proprietary"07:46
erkulesthx for pointing :)07:46
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fitzdslis ubuntu more supported and tested than fedora ?08:08
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zykes-fitzdsl: I wouldn't think so, the Fedora team has made conciderable efforts to make it good!08:09
zykes-though it has been used more on Ubuntu then on Fedora I think08:10
fitzdslzykes-: thank you so I'll continue on fedora so :)08:11
trygvisit seems to be that openstack isn't very distro specific, it mainly depends on existing/common stuff08:11
fitzdslyes but distro integration maturity can vary a lot08:12
kviiriWhat kind of integration are you talking about?08:17
trygvisthere's not a whole lot of integration needed08:17
trygvislogrotation is not very hard :)08:17
fitzdsli'm just fresh on openstack, but my experience teached me to try opensource project packages on the same distro as the majority of dev / users do to avoid specific distro packaging problem when you discover the project08:19
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trygvisI think you'll be safe with both ubuntu and fedora, even debian is working (but seems to lag behind)08:20
TorettoFrom where i can get the centOS-5.8 Image?08:20
fitzdslok thanks, that's what I wanted to know :)08:20
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AlvinXuhi there, I am a beginner of openstack. there is a question about nova-network, what's the difference between wrapped and unwrapped chains in iptables?08:31
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AlvinXucan somebody help me? thx~08:31
uvirtbotNew bug: #1036084 in nova "bw_usage_update makes an unnecessary query" [Medium,In progress]
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ogelbukhAlvinXu: For ipv4 and ipv6, the built-in INPUT, OUTPUT, and FORWARD filter chains are wrapped, meaning that the “real” INPUT chain has a rule that jumps to the wrapped INPUT chain, etc.08:39
ogelbukhdoes it answers your question?08:40
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AlvinXuogelbukh: but there is still one more wrapped chain named "local", what does it do?08:44
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AlvinXuogelbukh: I was informed that unwrapped chains can be shared by several components, my question is that, Under what circumstances would this happen? several components use one ipchain?08:47
ogelbukhI think this means several components may add the rules to that chains08:50
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ogelbukhit seems that 'unwrapped' are default chains (INPUT/OUTPUT/FORWARD)08:51
AlvinXucan u give me some examples that several components add rules to one chain?08:52
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AlvinXunova-filter-top is also a unwrapped chain...08:53
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ogelbukhAlvinXu: in my understanding, services only add link to their wrapped chains to the unwrapped chain09:02
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koolhead17ogelbukh, can you pass me LBas project page09:16
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AlvinXuogelbukh: make sense... let me think... thx... <309:23
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fitzdslwhen I try to use a .keystonerc I get 'Unable to communicate with identity service: Unable to find the server at'09:36
fitzdslthis ip is my external IP, whatever I try to set (this IP, localhost, 5000 or 35357) I always get this message09:37
fitzdslin keystone.log I get the request and it seems to reply a correct json09:37
fitzdslif I query with token and endpoint it works well09:38
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TorettoI don't have two sepate networks,  two separate drive, can i still use openstack for my testing?09:41
uvirtbotNew bug: #1036105 in horizon "Project menu should not be displayed when launching a instance from Project panel" [Undecided,New]
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FlorianOtelDoes anyone here knows how the WSGI application pipeline are invoked for nova (Essex  / 2012.1 ) . TIA.10:01
FlorianOtelkoolhead17, any idea ?10:02
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uksysadminFlorianOtel, duuuuuude.10:16
FlorianOteluksysadmin, Now, since koolhead17 is asleep at the wheel. Need help understanding Nova "api-paste.ini"10:18
* uksysadmin goes to smoke some crack before answering that request10:18
FlorianOtellol. pass the pipe  :)10:19
uksysadminnow what can one help you with?10:19
ninkotechToretto: yes, you can10:19
ninkotechToretto: even 1 server is enough10:19
ninkotechToretto: but if you want to make production cloud, be sure to have 40+ machines10:20
ninkotechor it will not be worth the work10:20
maploinFlorianOtel, the format of api-paste.ini is standard for paste-deploy and it's explained in the upstream docs: along with stuff like applications and filters10:20
fitzdslninkotech: the recomanded number of hypervisor is about 40+ ?10:21
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ninkotechfitzdsl: openstack is pretty comples to be used on just 3 machines10:22
ninkotech(use libvirt for that)10:22
ninkotech20+ is a must to be effective10:22
fitzdslI already do10:22
FlorianOtelmaploin, Thanks. That helps (a bit)10:23
ninkotechcomplex :)10:23
ninkotechFlorianOtel: congrats:) you are one of those more brave souls10:23
fitzdslbut I'm looking for a more entreprise-grade virtualisation management system10:23
ninkotechoh. wrong name :)10:23
ninkotechfitzdsl: ^^10:23
fitzdslI'm looking to oVirt also10:23
ninkotechfitzdsl: how do you like it?10:23
fitzdsloVirt ?10:24
uksysadminFlorianOtel, is a brave soul though. ut by brave I presume crazy? ;-)10:24
FlorianOtelmaploin, However, while the format is explained there, is there any explanation on how the diff composite apps / apps / pipelines are invoked ?10:24
fitzdslas far as I have tested it, it's quite good10:24
ninkotechno, its not crazy, but its hard... needs pretty good skills -- and time - to maintain just 5-10 machines10:25
fitzdslbut when I tested it there were no glusterfs integration yet and the project is quite fresh10:25
ninkotechits costly10:25
fitzdslbut I fear a lack of community behind ovirt10:25
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ninkotechfitzdsl: they have some smart folks too, but openstack is imho best...10:26
fitzdslwhat I am trying to understand is that possible to use openstack without EC2/AMI logic.10:26
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FlorianOteland I mean invoked in Nova.  There is nothing in the conf files (looked at: DevStack, Ubuntu 12.04,  Install & Config guide) showing how  / what settings in "nova.conf"  invoke what [composite] apps / pipelines.10:26
maploinFlorianOtel, they are just wsgi middlewares, they get called. Here's an example one:
maploinFlorianOtel, where by called, I mean __call__(...)-ed10:27
fitzdslI'm not that interested with that part of Cloud oriented IaaS because I'm using tools to massively automated unatended installation10:27
ninkotechfitzdsl: did you see salt btw? how do you like it?10:28
ninkotechfitzdsl: how do you install?10:29
fitzdslninkotech: salt ?10:29
ninkotechfitzdsl: :)10:29
fitzdslninkotech: using TheForeman and puppet10:29
* fitzdsl looking to salt 10:29
ninkotechi love python -> using salt10:29
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fitzdslninkotech: I think this is quite close to mcollective nope ?10:32
ninkotechfitzdsl: similar. yes10:32
ninkotechbut python10:32
ninkotechas i love python, i prefer pythonic stuff :)10:33
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FlorianOtelmaploin, So what you're saying is that if e.g. I want to remove the EC2  appl pipelines  / middleware  configs from "api-paste.ini" I need to trawl the source code and check where they are invoked ?10:33
maploinFlorianOtel, no, they don't get invoked if they're not in the config10:34
fitzdslanyone has an idea why I could have this error 'Unable to communicate with identity service: Unable to find the server at (HTTP 400)' when using os_ export with keystone ?10:36
trygvisthat port looks a bit strange10:36
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fitzdsltrygvis: here is my openrc :
fitzdslall keystone command works with token and endpoint defined in cli10:38
FlorianOtelmaploin,  Well, that starts to make sense, as my "nova.conf" file does not have any "[paste_deploy]10:38
zynzelfitzdsl: show endpoint10:38
FlorianOtelmaploin,  section that would point me to what WSGI pipeline gets pasted when10:38
fitzdslzynzel: ?10:39
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FlorianOtelso,  as I don't have any such in my "nova.conf", why do I need an "api-paste.ini" then :) ?10:39
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zynzelfitzdsl: keystone use endpoint (templates) for api url10:39
FlorianOteland, more imp, where does e.g.  config bits for "authtoken" have to go  ?10:41
fitzdslzynzel: and ?10:41
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zynzelfitzdsl: and you can have typo in endpoint templates :)10:41
zynzelas trygvis says '.' is very strange port.10:42
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maploinFlorianOtel, api-paste.ini tells you all you need to know about the order in which the filters are used; there is a [filter:authtoken] section for configuring that filter10:46
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fitzdslzynzel, trygvis: thank you. it was a typo in my endpoint10:48
FlorianOtelmaploin, I understand that. You're missing my point. My point was: As there is nothing in the "nova.conf" file that points me to any composite / app / pipeline   and if -- to your point -- that makes the "api-paste.ini" unecessary (???) then where does the "authtoken" gets configured.10:48
FlorianOtelIf, alternatively, the different stages in "api-paste.ini" do get called when -- so I can figure which ones I can do without.10:50
maploinFlorianOtel, i don't get the part about nova.conf pointing you to a pipeline in api-paste.ini. I think the two config files are quite independent.10:52
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FlorianOtelmaploin, Well, let me give you Glance as an example. For configuring the Glance API  the config file is "glance-api.conf". The last section in "glance-api.conf" is "[paste_deploy]" with "flavor" being the name of the coresp appl pipeline -- defined in "glance-api-paste.ini" that gets called.10:55
FlorianOtelmaploin, e.g. in my case  I have "flavor = keystone+caching",  configuring Glance to use Keystone auth + caching, and the WSGI pipeline in "glance-api-paste.ini" is defined as "[pipeline:glance-api-keystone+caching]", with all the different filters and apps -- e.g. "authtoken"  being configured  in subsequent sections of that file.10:57
FlorianOtelmaploin, That way I know what gets called and when and where do I configure out.10:58
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FlorianOtelmaploin, OTOH as I only have "nova.conf", with no pointers to resp. appl pipelines I'm left guessing what "entry points" (for the lack of a better name) are in "api-paste.ini" and when they are invoked.10:59
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maploinFlorianOtel, ok, I think I know what you mean now. But I don't know the answer to that question :)11:04
SkyManhi stackers !11:07
FlorianOtelmaploin,  :). Ok, thanks. No probs.  There is one way to find out  -- remove all the stuff I don't think it belongs there and see what happens :)11:07
koolhead17uksysadmin, FlorianOtel hi.11:08
* koolhead17 was out for lunch11:08
FlorianOtelkoolhead17,  Yo.11:08
SkyMani am having a strange problem, actually when i try to allocate a range of floating IPs say , the range doesnt start at, but in
SkyManWhat do you think ??11:08
koolhead17FlorianOtel, sir :)11:09
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zynzelSkyMan: this is not a strange problem.11:18
zynzelthis is cidr.11:18
SkyManzynzel: this is new to me :) ! how do i solve it ?11:18
zynzelread above links.11:19
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SkyManzynzel: do i have to read all that ? the demo day approaches :'(11:20
zynzelno, you dont, but if you don not understand routing, how you are going to configure openstack? ;)11:21
SkyManzynzel: omg , i hate networkiniiiing , i should have become a cook !!!!!!!!!!11:23
Drakizit is never too late to change your life line.11:25
SkyManzynzel: can't i just disable this or something ? , i do own a good range of public IPs11:25
SkyManzynzel: i can't ping VMs like this :/11:26
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DrakizSkyMan: Firstly i think you have read more about networking. Only after that you can do something.. ip address range is actually - starts from till Second 192.168.x.x range is not public ip addresses.11:30
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SkyManDrakiz: i surely need to read about it but i have to do a demo at the end of this week ! and i am stuck at it :/, was just an example, how do i calculate the real adresse range ?11:32
evil_steveSkyMan: read the CIDR wikipedia page and understand about how a CIDR can carve up a larger allocation11:32
SkyMani already have 32 public IPs , why do i need this CIDR !!!!!!11:33
evil_steveSkyMan: for the same reason you need a netmask11:34
SkyManevil_steve: i do hate this networking stuff11:34
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evil_steveit's what made the internet what it is today.11:34
SkyManevil_steve:  back to my problem, how can i use my public IPs now , i used the jodies tool11:35
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TorettoI am getting " Unable to get log for instance "a3d51b60-14f3-4554-bc06-1029ae8bb4f6""11:38
Torettowhile launching any new instance11:38
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1036153 in horizon "Networks of other projects are shown in VM launching menu when logged in as admin" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1036161 in keystone "keystone should log all authentication failures" [Undecided,In progress]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1036167 in nova "body is not returned for reboot server request with xml format" [Undecided,New]
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fitzdslI think there is a missing dependency with13:18
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fitzdslpython-memcached on rpm's dashboard13:19
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halfsshi,it's there anyone upgrade kvm? after upgrade kvm, openstack make fault:
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fitzdslis there anything to do to configure a remote keystone for horizon13:27
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fitzdslfound :)13:28
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swinchenHow can I shutdown an instance?   I don't want to suspend or pause, but shutdown...13:36
kwadronautswinchen: it's supposed to be there in the newer(/st) dashboard13:37
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kwadronautbelieve it's called horizon13:37
swinchenhrmm, I am not using dashboard :/13:38
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kwadronautthat's the spirit :-D13:38
kwadronautssh into the instance, and tell it to init 0 ;-)13:39
kwadronautswinchen: i had the same question 2 weeks ago, didn't come up with a good solution, so tell me if you find one13:39
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andreafjaypipes hi I have a question about the whitebox tests in tempest - is this the right place for this topic13:42
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swinchenkwadronaut:  thanks, I don't have access to the instance.  I need to bring the server down for a while (moving the rack) and not sure how to cleaning stop it.13:46
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kwadronautandreaf: in general it's good practice on irc to just ask your question.13:49
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1036193 in glance "glance-api with more than 1 worker is broken" [Undecided,New]
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andreafkwadronaut ok, thanks13:55
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fitzdslIs that ringing someone's bell  "tgtadm: can't send the request to the tgt daemon, Transport endpoint is not connected\n" when creating a new volume ?13:55
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newbie|2is there a y doc aobut zfs iswift integration13:59
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andreafAnyone interested in commenting / reviewing a tempest blueprint
fitzdsldoes anyone have an idea about that error on creating volume ?
jaypipesandreaf: sure thing.14:11
jaypipesandreaf: are you familiar with the existing whitebox tests in tempest?14:14
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andreafjaypipes I went through the code14:16
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samkottlerwiliam: 1814:16
samkottlerwiliam: sorry, wrong window :)14:16
andreafI was trying to do something like that and then I saw it was out there already14:16
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jaypipesandreaf: yeah, so I think the additions you put in the blueprint would be great14:17
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jaypipesandreaf: can I ask that you do them in two patches, though?14:18
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jaypipesandreaf: are you familiar with how to contribute to OpenStack projects?14:18
andreafjaypipes yes I think it shall be splitted in pieces. one is cluster discovery service, the other is virsh client14:20
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jaypipesandreaf: I would start with the virsh client.14:21
jaypipesandreaf: since most of the pieces you need are already there (ssh client, etc)14:21
andreafjaypipes ok sounds good14:22
jaypipesandreaf: cheers. ping me if you run into any questions. happy to assist.14:22
andreafjaypipes thanks14:23
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1036213 in openstack-manuals "Connection to tabpress seems to slow down webhelp (HTML) load time" [Critical,Confirmed]
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NashTrashjaypipes: I was able to resolve my Diablo-metadata timeout issues.14:44
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jaypipesNashTrash: ah, excellent.14:45
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newbie|2anyone has information about integrating zfs with swift ?14:48
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NashTrashjaypipes: Turns out I had 2700 entries in the instances table and a similar number in the virtual_interfaces table.  Once I cleared out all of the instances marked as deleted my metadata times went from 2.7s to 0.25s.14:50
jaypipesnewbie|2: sorry, no. you might want to ask the Nexenta folks on the mailing list.14:50
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newbie|2jaypipes:  afaik nexenta is a commercial software , i'm looking for a  free solution14:50
jaypipesNashTrash: heh, well, yes, that's certainly a temporary fix... :) the problem is that the query is doing a cartesian join on both tables, so the more the tables grow, the slower things get exponentially14:51
NashTrashjaypipes: Seems like the metadata queries must be doing some very inefficient joins that don't exclude entries marked as deleted.14:51
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NashTrashjaypipes: Ah.  Yes.14:51
jaypipesnewbie|2: Nexenta can point you in the right direction...14:51
newbie|2jaypipes: ok thanks14:51
jaypipesnewbie|2: ZFS and Swift are both open source. no need to pay for it if you have the time yourself to set stuff up.14:51
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newbie|2jaypipes: I see  thanks, I couldnt find any resource how to integrate zfs with swift,14:52
newbie|2newbie|2: it's mentioned in openstack docs but there is not information how to implement it14:52
newbie|2jaypipes: do I need to use opensolaris/iscsi ?14:53
halfsshi,is there anybody konw this?
jaypipesnewbie|2: sorry, I'm really not sure. never done it :(14:54
newbie|2jaypipes: thanks,14:55
jaypipeshalfss: no, never seen that :(14:55
jaypipeshalfss: what does your libvirt XMl template look like?14:55
jaypipeshalfss: are you using a custom template or something?14:55
UICTamalecan anyone help with my nova-network multi-host floating_ip problem?  I think it might be an iptables issue but I'm not sure.
halfssi have upgrade kmv from 0.12 to 0.14,it looks libvirt could not mange kmv14:55
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jaypipesUICTamale: it looks like SSHing to node2 and pinging node1 works on the *public IP*, not the *private IP*14:58
UICTamalejaypipes: No, the 10.150.150.* network is my 'public ip' network14:59
UICTamalethe floating IPs are in that subnet14:59
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jaypipesUICTamale: I'm wondering if this has to do with the promiscuous or hairpin mode settings that a number of folks have been talking about needing.15:01
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jaypipesvishy: this ring a bell? See UICTamale's paste above.15:01
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UICTamalejaypipes:  Yes, it feels like that kind of a problem./15:02
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UICTamalejaypipes: At first I suspected dnsmasq was to blame - but then I checked the arp tables and noticed that the right mac addresses were being hit15:03
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jaypipesUICTamale: sorry, networking isn't my strongsuit :( If I had to guess, I'd say you need to set hairpin mode in order to have the VM to VM on public IP routed back from the network controller right back to the same compute node iface15:03
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UICTamalenever even heard of hairpin mode15:04
UICTamaleany suggestions for further reading?15:04
jaypipesone sec...15:04
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livemoonhalfss, try to upgrade libvirt15:05
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jaypipesUICTamale: what version of OpenStack are you running?15:06
UICTamaleUbuntu 12.04 hosts15:06
uvirtbotNew bug: #1036233 in horizon "Cannot choose users other than me when launching a VM from Admin panel" [Undecided,New]
UICTamaleUbuntu 11.10 and 12.04 guests15:06
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jaypipesUICTamale: some background:
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UICTamaleThanks, reading15:08
jaypipesUICTamale: but looks like that fix was included in Essex :( so really not sure now!15:08
UICTamaleHe has the opposite problem15:08
UICTamalehe CAN'T reach his VMs via public IP on the same host15:08
UICTamaleI CAN reach them from the same host15:09
UICTamalebut CANNOT reach them from other computers on the network15:09
UICTamalebut perhaps it's the same problem, manifesting differently15:09
UICTamaleSince ACCEPT is a terminating target, and after our DNAT the source and dest will match this rule, the floating SNAT rule is never matched and when the instance receives the traffic, it doesn't match what the instance originally sent, and is seen as new external traffic, except the source is the same as the instance, ultimately resulting in a TCP RST15:09
UICTamaleThat sounds highly suspect15:09
halfssit's there anyone use centos6.2+essex+kvm+virtio to run win2003 guest os,and the guest os(win 2003) always blue screen?15:10
UICTamaleI turned on iptables logging to doublecheck, but didn't see any messages of dropped messages15:10
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1036237 in openstack-manuals "API site only builds on clouddocs maven plugin version 1.2.0" [Medium,Confirmed]
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swinchenUGH!  help!  When I try to start nova-compute, I get an error in the log...  2012-08-13 11:17:31 TRACE nova InstanceNotFound: Instance instance-00000001 could not be found.15:18
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UICTamaleswinchen: I had that problem for a while15:18
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UICTamaleJust ensure all your /var/lib/nova/instances folders are empty and your mysql tables are clean15:19
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UICTamalerestart all components and it'll go away15:19
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swinchenOh my god... my instances directories are gone.  I think euca2ools removed my instances.15:20
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UICTamalejaypipes: Any other ideas?? I feel so close!15:20
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jaypipesUICTamale: :( sorry man, I'm really not sure15:22
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jaypipesUICTamale: a colleague of mine (kbringard) might have some ideas but I don't see him around yet15:22
UICTamalejaypipes: I even tried asking in the #netfilter chat room but that place is deader than a doornail lol15:22
jaypipesUICTamale: because most of them are west coast US ;)15:23
jaypipesoh wait, no, I meant #netstack15:23
UICTamaleI can try that15:23
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UICTamaleuh.. empty15:23
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jaypipesUICTamale: hmm, I thought the quantum folks had their own channel... guess I am mistaken. sorry about that.15:25
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UICTamalenp, I just appreciate someone at least taking the time to lok15:26
UICTamaleI've been stuck like this for a week now15:26
UICTamaleSo close to using openstack - but without being able to reach my VMs it's useless15:27
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jaypipesUICTamale: have you posted to the mailing list? sometimes you can get a fast answer there, too.15:28
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UICTamaleI will do that, thank you15:29
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1036247 in openstack-manuals "New flag: defer_iptables_apply" [Undecided,New]
uvirtbotNew bug: #1036249 in glance "Error building docs." [Undecided,New]
grilled-cheeseGreetings, I've been looking at openstack for my enterprise environment, but I havn't seen a response to one requirement I have15:32
grilled-cheeseI need employees to be able to checkout a VM image and work offline when performing training at remote sites without internet15:33
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grilled-cheeseVMWare has their answer to this with VMWare View, but I can't find any documents indicating how VMWare View and OpenStack might interact15:33
swinchenInteresting... one of the images in _base says 500GB, but it doesn't seem to be using any disk space15:34
grilled-cheeseIs there a way without turning each machine into a VMWare Host to accomplish this?15:35
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jaypipesgrilled-cheese: I don't really understand the use case, but it sounds like you just want the ability to snapshot a VM, put it on a thumb drive or something, and then use the image in a training class? Not sure that's really a cloud use case...15:47
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grilled-cheesejaypipes: That would work, however I was hoping there was something I could do to let employees perform that work without having to come find an IT staff member to do it for them15:55
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jaypipesgrilled-cheese: you can snapshot an image with a single button click in Horizon...15:55
grilled-cheeseI've liked that VMWare View, just lets folks request a machine for a period of time to their local laptops15:56
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jaypipesgrilled-cheese: yeah, I'm not totally sure OpenStack is what you're looking for...15:56
jaypipesmay be wrong though15:56
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grilled-cheeseI'd be ok with hybridizing VMWare View & Openstack if they played nice together15:57
grilled-cheeseI really like openstack for the ability to let users create/destroy the platform they need for the time they need it in15:58
swinchenok, so euca-stop-instances should _not_ be used.  It deletes your instances!15:58
jaypipesgrilled-cheese: I just don't see that OpenStack was designed to be the kind of thing  you're loking for...15:58
grilled-cheeseit's very possible jaypipes, I'm new to this and am trying to learn as much as I can15:58
jaypipesgrilled-cheese: above, what do you mean by "create/destroy the platform they need for the time they need it in"?15:58
jaypipesgrilled-cheese: I think the fundamental issue is that OpenStack really isn't designed to have any "offline" mode :)15:59
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swinchenI really wish it had an offline mode.   We are relying on suspend right now :)16:01
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jaypipesswinchen: I don't think you're referring to the same thing.16:02
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grilled-cheesejaypipes: If a developer needs a system to test new code in, they just login and deploy a prebuilt template environment (1-8 physical/virtual machines) then use it for a few hours and delete the instance16:04
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jaypipesgrilled-cheese: ok. and really the only thing that you don't have with openstack is the ability to do that without network connection? is that correct?16:05
grilled-cheesefrom what I've been reading (could be mistaken), that is correct16:06
jaypipesgrilled-cheese: yeah, so OpenStack doesn't have any tool that can do that right now... everything depends on being able to hit the APi endpoints on the network...16:08
jaypipesgrilled-cheese: VMWare View is really just Virtualbox for VMWare VMs, right?16:08
jaypipesin other words, a GUI for starting already-snapshotted images.16:08
fitzdslis that me or the default m1.small is described as 10GB disk but create a 20GB disk ?16:10
grilled-cheeseas I understand it, it's just an extra integration between ESX Enterprise & a special verison of VMWare Player16:10
grilled-cheesewith a management console16:10
jaypipesfitzdsl: yup, I've seen that happen... not sure why it does that frankly.16:10
jaypipesgrilled-cheese: yeah, basically just a GUI for launching VMs.16:11
fitzdslthe bug as already been reported ?16:11
jaypipesfitzdsl: I believe so.16:11
swinchenIs the safest way to reboot a compute node to suspend all the instances before rebooting?16:11
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grilled-cheeseit is really nice with View, if one of those machines gets checked out and goes offline it is encrypted and has a built in self destruct should the laptop get lost16:11
jaypipesgrilled-cheese: not sure that openstack community is going to be working on that kind of tooling to be honest16:12
jaypipesgrilled-cheese: I'm sure it's very nice, really :) It's just not a use-case that OpenStack is really priortizing to be honest16:12
grilled-cheesejaypipes: not asking for it, just inquiring if it already existed somehow16:12
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grilled-cheeselike I said, just trying to wrap my brain around options16:12
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grilled-cheeseor do they continue to work like normal in tandem16:15
jaypipesswinchen: safest way to reboot a compute node is to stop the VMs on the compute node and do a soft reboot of the host. If you have  resume_guests_state_on_host_boot=true, the VMs should start on reboot of the node16:15
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fitzdslI'm trying to understand the cloud way to manage vm persistence compared to traditional virtualisation with persistent disk. do you guys have any documentations / slides to present the difference and how system administrator should change their habbits ?16:17
jaypipesswinchen: sorry, that should be start_guests_on_host_boot=true16:17
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UICTamalejaypipes: Did you happen to see my post to the mailing list?16:18
jaypipesUICTamale: Joshua Buss?16:19
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jaypipesfitzdsl: that's a good question to post to the mailing lists. way to long for IRC ;)16:20
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fitzdslit was just in case you had some relevent doc to point me16:20
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fitzdslbut I'll try to shoot a mail to user list, thanks for advice16:20
jaypipesfitzdsl: :)16:21
UICTamalejaypipes: Ha, yup16:21
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jaypipesUICTamale: just saw it, yep16:21
UICTamalew00t, great16:23
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1036287 in nova "failure to create instance type extra specs when using Postgres" [Medium,In progress]
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Jules81Hi there17:21
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Jules81can anybody help me with Essex Dashboard. Seems like these Popdown Tabs for Instance Suspend the VM's, Volume Snapshot etc... all doesn't show up. Do i have to active anything like a plugin or something in the config?17:23
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1036297 in python-glanceclient "v1 ImageManager returns size, min_ram, min_disk as strings, should be ints" [High,In progress]
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noobhi everyone.  i seem to be very close to having a working openstack.  i have 4 nodes, 1 controller and 3 compute.  i can boot up instances on all the nodes.  problem is i can't ssh or ping any of them.  i did the nova sec commands to allow ssh but it's no good17:29
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noobi think it's an iptables issue but i'm not sure.  i'm running fedora 1717:29
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noobif i post my config's would anyone like to take a look?17:30
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noobhere's my controller's setup:
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Diopternoob: If you want to pastebin "ip a; ip r; brctl show; iptables-save" it'd be a great place to start17:39
noobok lemme do that17:40
noobit's a lot of stuff17:41
uvirtbotNew bug: #1036299 in python-glanceclient "v1 ImageManager reports is_public and protected as strings" [High,In progress]
noobi have multiple interfaces but i wanted to keep it simple with one for now until i understand what i'm doing17:41
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noobi'm also not sure where the virbr0 with the space came from17:42
noobi mean 122.0/2417:42
Diopternoob: It's the default libvirt network17:42
Dioptervirsh net-destroy default; virsh net-autostart default --disable17:42
noobcould it be that my vm's are connecting to that bridge instead of the bridge i made for them?17:43
noobDiopter: do i need to do that on all the nodes?17:43
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noobok it's destroyed17:45
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noob_sorry i disconnected17:47
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noob_do i need to destroy and recreate the instances after remove the virsh default network bridge?17:48
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noob_i'm guessing that is like pulling the plug on them17:48
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noob_vnet[0,1,2] seems to all be connected to my bridge successfully17:48
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Diopternoob_: Also, your eth1 has the same IP your demonetbr0 has.17:49
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noobyeah should i drop the ip off em1?17:50
Diopternoob: Also, you're specifying somewhere as your network, which is not quite what's on the adapter... but probably not an issue here yet17:51
noobyeah i wanted to go with flat manager instead of dhcp17:52
noobi thought it was confusing the situation for me17:52
DiopterOh. I see.17:52
noobmost of that subnet is taken up with other machines17:52
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noobis it correct that hte bridge should own the ip ?17:53
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Diopternoob: Depends. You have a multi-nic setup.17:54
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noobDiopter: yeah maybe i should make use of it17:54
Diopternoob: I can't really help much more right this second. Busy at work17:55
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DiopterYou've got a couple things wonky though.17:55
noobok whenever you get some time.  i'll keep hacking on it17:55
noobyeah i know :(17:55
DiopterI'm sure others can assist17:56
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maggis it okay to insert rows directly into the nova.floating_ips table? after doing the command: nova-manage floating create18:00
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UICTamalemagg: in my experience, yes18:01
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maggUICTamale: kk, thanks. i18:02
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UICTamalesame for removing18:03
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UICTamalejust be sure to remove associations applicably18:03
maggwhere are the associations? on another table?18:04
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maggi just deleted two rows from nova.floating_ips18:04
maggand added 3 more18:04
UICTamaleyeah other tables if you associate them with instances18:05
UICTamalenot sure which one(s)18:05
maggooh ok18:06
uvirtbotNew bug: #1036315 in python-glanceclient "v1 ImageManager rejects update with 'deleted' attribute" [High,In progress]
maggnah those rows weren't associated with any instance18:06
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noobon my compute nodes should they also be running nova-network?18:16
noobif i want to have a single controller i'm thinking no18:16
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Jayanybody know how i can activate the power off and suspend buttons in nova horizon (Essex) ?18:19
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Guest78655anybody know how i can activate the power off and suspend buttons in nova horizon (Essex) ?18:20
UICTamalenoob: You can do either18:21
UICTamalenoob: You can have one controller with compute and network, and then multiple computes with or without network each18:21
noobi think to keep it simple i'll shut the network off on the compute nodes then18:21
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UICTamalejust be aware that that can bottleneck your networking requests18:22
nooboh ok18:22
noobmaybe that's a bad idea then18:22
noobUICTamale: with the FlatManager do i need to provide a dhcp server/dns server for the instances?18:23
UICTamaleyes, that's how I understand it18:23
noobthe reason i ask is because everything is static at my business18:23
UICTamaleI need the DHCP manage mode, so I haven't tried flatmanager myself18:23
UICTamaleeverything is static at mine as well18:23
noobso how did you setup things?18:23
noobcould i see your nova.conf?18:24
noobi think if i saw one that worked i could figure out what i messed up18:24
UICTamaleI followed
UICTamalewith the 1st highly available model18:24
UICTamalebe warned - I'm not 100% working yet myself18:24
noobyeah that diagram is kinda confusing for me18:24
UICTamaleI have a problem routing to my floating IPs18:24
UICTamaledo your hosts have two physical interfaces?18:25
UICTamaleit's a doozy of a diagram, but it's good18:25
UICTamalethose go along with it nicely18:25
noobyeah i have 4 interfaces if i really needed it18:25
UICTamalenice, you'll be in good shape then18:25
noobyeah once i get the hosts to ssh i think i'm good18:25
UICTamalethe kicker for me was defining an eth1 interface in /etc/network/interfaces, but leaving its configuration set to 'manual'18:26
nooboh ok18:26
nooball my networking is manual18:26
UICTamalethat was diopter's suggestion and it worked great18:26
nooband nova took care of it?18:26
UICTamalee.g.:  auto eth1\n  iface eth1 inet manual\n     up ip link set dev eth1 promisc on up\n     down ip link set dev eth1 down18:26
UICTamalecreates all the bridges and virtual stuff automatically18:26
UICTamaleit's pretty impressive.18:27
UICTamalethat's my last remaining problem18:27
nooboh i know.  i can fire up vm's in seconds18:27
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UICTamalejust remember to set multi_host=true on all your nova.confs18:28
UICTamaleif you go the HA route18:28
UICTamaleand when you use nova-manage network create, add the --multi_host=true flag18:28
UICTamaleor whatever it is18:28
noobthe diagrams on this mirantis look good.  maybe i can figure one of these out18:28
noobyeah i think it's in a funky state18:28
noobnetworking is running on all the nodes but i don't have multinode set18:29
UICTamalegood luck, let me know if you get stuck.  I've done it from scratch four times in the past two weeks now :)18:29
noobor multi_host18:29
noobso you're the expert now18:29
UICTamaleyup, that'll lead to weirdness18:29
UICTamalesometimes I had to reboot too18:29
UICTamaleha! I wish.18:29
noobalright lemme add multi_host=true and see where that gets me18:29
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noobwhat do you guys do if nova delete fails?18:56
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UICTamalewhat's the error?18:57
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UICTamalefirst I curse18:57
UICTamalethen I read the error18:57
UICTamalethen I muck up my mysql tables18:57
UICTamalethen I reinstall everything18:57
noobtimeout waiting for RPC response18:57
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noobi used virsh destroy18:57
trygvissounds much like me UICTamale18:57
noobbut it still thinks they're running18:57
UICTamaleI think in that case I restart all nova services18:58
UICTamaleand delete relevant entries in the tables18:58
noobwhat would i do if this was production and i couldn't restart?18:58
noobjust out of curiousity18:58
UICTamalegood question18:59
UICTamaleI have no clue18:59
noobhaha nice, now they're deleting18:59
UICTamalewhat'd you do18:59
noobthe restart of the services fixed it18:59
noobi guess it got itself into a bad state19:00
trygvisI think nova-compute will detect that the image is gone after a while19:00
trygvissame happens if you just poweroff from inside the VM19:00
noobi see19:01
UICTamaletrygvis: Good to know19:01
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noobUICTamale: do i need to recreate my network private space if i change to dhcp manager?19:02
UICTamaleI would, but that's just me.  I don't know if you need to.19:03
UICTamaleI would guess you don't actually, since the private network should be the same19:03
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noobUICTamale: looks like --multi_host=true isn't in the nova-manage command anymore in essex?19:07
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UICTamaleit's something like that19:07
UICTamalelet me get the real syntax19:07
nooboh ok19:07
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UICTamale$ nova-manage network create --fixed_range_v4= --num_networks=1 --network_size=256 --multi_host=T --label=test19:07
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noobcan i modify a network to add multi_host ?19:09
uvirtbotNew bug: #1036342 in python-keystoneclient "EndpointNotFound error" [Undecided,New]
uvirtbotNew bug: #1036343 in nova "Validation of Timestamp/Expires for ec2 query parameters is not correct" [Undecided,New]
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noobwhen i try to delete it says network still in use and won't let me remove it19:12
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1036347 in nova "HTML escape xml tags in EC2 responses." [Undecided,New]
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noobUICTamale: switching to DHCP manager helped.  i can ping/ssh into my hosts now19:32
noobthe new ones that is19:32
noobit looks like the instances  dns info is a little funky.  they think the controller node is their dns server19:33
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UICTamalethat's probably one of your nova.conf settings19:35
UICTamaleNot sure which one though19:35
noobyeah i think if i set dns_server it should fix that19:36
noobis it normal for the ssh to be really slow connecting to instances?19:36
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noobit takes about a minute but it eventually goes through19:38
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UICTamaleI haven't seen that/19:39
UICTamaleWhat I had early-on was exceptionally slow VM create times19:40
UICTamalelike, 30 minutes19:40
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noobwhat was the cause of that?19:40
noobkvm turned off?19:40
UICTamalekvm without the bios extension enabled19:40
noobi'm pretty sure i set that when i first setup the servers19:41
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UICTamalei was surprised it was disabled19:42
noobyeah servers usually have it disabled out of the box i think19:43
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noobis it just me or is the qpidd service flaky?19:58
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crohling88Hey, I'm trying to install devstack from the openstack-dev repo, and keep running into this issue "error: Installed distribution python-keystoneclient 2012.1 conflicts with requirement python-keystoneclient>=0.1.2,<0.2" Anyone have any idea what could cause that? I feel relatively certain that I have removed previous versions of that client20:09
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noobi think i just want to bang my head against a wall with this openstack20:13
noobit just fights me20:13
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MarkAtwoodso, rackspace openstack, where is the ssh key handling?20:14
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noobit happens at build time20:15
noobyou specify a key20:15
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noobUICTamale: have you run into this yet: CRITICAL nova [-] list index out of range20:21
noobwhen starting compute20:21
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noobare there any openstack iso's out there that work out of the box?20:26
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UICTamalenoob:  Afraid I haven't seen that one20:58
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binyaminDoes anyone know if a decent debian 6.x repo for Essex packages?21:07
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1036407 in nova "nova.conf option bandwith_poll_interval is misspelled." [Medium,In progress]
uvirtbotNew bug: #1036408 in nova "No registry calls in glance api log" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1036409 in glance "No logging of glance registry req id in glance api log" [Undecided,In progress]
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ericcchey guys, any idea why open stack isn't defining a domain in my libvirt.xml files:  <domain type="">21:59
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ericcc*domain type22:00
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1036416 in devstack "horizon requires python-netaddr" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1036419 in nova "missing _cache_image() in libvirt driver" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1036425 in quantum "failed to list subnets with id only" [Critical,New]
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