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| bitblt | so I'm poking around in nova.network.api, and I am trying to understand what "context" means. It get's passed as an arg to everything. Is that the instance of the class? | 00:29 |
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| bitblt | oh shoot. it's the security context isnt it | 00:31 |
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| dev_ | hi there .. Is this right place to ask API usage question for Swift? | 00:55 |
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| coolj | Hi dev_. what's the question? | 00:59 |
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| hezekiah_ | I'm trying to use an external gateway but still have compute nodes do the metadata server iptables DNAT | 01:01 |
| hezekiah_ | anyone do that? | 01:01 |
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| Ryan_Lane | how in the world do people manage nova now with keystone? | 01:09 |
| Ryan_Lane | I rebooted a compute node | 01:09 |
| Ryan_Lane | I need to reboot its instances | 01:09 |
| Ryan_Lane | they are in 30+ projects. how do I even do that now? | 01:09 |
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| Ryan_Lane | I have a single user capable of doing it, but what ungodly script am I going to have to write to make this work? | 01:10 |
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| coolj | mysql nova -BNe 'select id from instances where deleted=0 and host="..."' | xargs -n1 nova reboot ;) | 01:12 |
| Ryan_Lane | you need the project name in there too | 01:12 |
| Ryan_Lane | as —os_tenant_name=<blah> | 01:12 |
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| Ryan_Lane | thanks for the snippet | 01:13 |
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| Ryan_Lane | ah. also I want to pull uuid rather than id | 01:16 |
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| troya | hi all | 04:03 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1042539 in nova "Unique constraint for Flavorid field of instance_types is triggered when creating flavor with same flavorid as a deleted flavor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042539 | 05:31 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #1042541 in tempest "Flavor admin tests failing due legitimate bug" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042541 | 05:31 |
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| kviiri | Hello, still trying my luck here. Is there someone who knows their way around Quantum here? | 06:07 |
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| troya | hi kviiri | 06:16 |
| troya | do you have experience on BOSH | 06:16 |
| troya | ? | 06:16 |
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| kviiri | No, sorry | 06:17 |
| troya | i want to learn it for my research | 06:17 |
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| newbie|3 | hello everyone | 07:31 |
| newbie|3 | I have a nasty bug with openstack | 07:32 |
| kviiri | Hey | 07:32 |
| kviiri | What's the problem | 07:32 |
| newbie|3 | I just used the nova resize command and one of the instances stayed in prep resize error status | 07:32 |
| newbie|3 | everything looks ok till this point | 07:32 |
| newbie|3 | after deleting the instance I got following message | 07:32 |
| newbie|3 | from nova api | 07:32 |
| newbie|3 | 2012-07-31 05:20:40 TRACE nova.api.openstack InstanceNotFound: Instance 17 could not be found. | 07:33 |
| newbie|3 | 2012-07-31 05:20:40 TRACE nova.api.openstack | 07:33 |
| newbie|3 | 2012-07-31 05:20:40 INFO nova.api.openstack [req-9e824f0d-6290-45fb-8c72-b858fc565ec7 3c37892e7d3047abb342e7e0998f6330 d6dc1a8bdc9049a2b36a2d66f403bd04] http://192.168.35.1:8774/v2/d6dc1a8bdc9049a2b36a2d66f403bd04/os-floating-ips returned with HTTP 500 | 07:33 |
| newbie|3 | now, i cannot access my images instances can't launch new instances all I got is this error message | 07:33 |
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| newbie|3 | every click on dashboard gives http 500 error | 07:33 |
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| newbie|3 | is this a known bug ? | 07:35 |
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| newbie|3 | nova-manage fixed list 2012-07-31 05:31:01 DEBUG nova.utils [req-58dd114f-eb23-4ab9-926c-9621a0470512 None None] backend <module 'nova.db.sqlalchemy.api' from '/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/nova/db/sqlalchemy/api.pyc'> from (pid=24256) __get_backend /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/nova/utils.py:658 network IP address hostname host 192.168.4.32/27 192.168.4 | 07:38 |
| newbie|3 | any idea ? | 07:38 |
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| troya | anyone know about juju ? | 07:47 |
| troya | or devops? | 07:47 |
| melmoth | troya, just ask your question, i doubt any one will answer yes or no to those previous two. | 07:48 |
| troya | hi melmoth | 07:49 |
| melmoth | hola | 07:49 |
| troya | could you tell me more about juju ? | 07:49 |
| melmoth | juju is like apt-get, but for services. | 07:49 |
| troya | what do you mean for srevice ? | 07:49 |
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| melmoth | well, a lamp application | 07:50 |
| melmoth | a ha-proxy service | 07:50 |
| melmoth | a mysql service | 07:50 |
| melmoth | you name it | 07:50 |
| troya | what different with apt-get ? | 07:51 |
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| troya | apt-get also can install ha-proxy, mysql and etc | 07:51 |
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| melmoth | yes, but on only 1 machine | 07:52 |
| melmoth | juju deploy virtual machine on your cloud | 07:52 |
| melmoth | make relationship between them | 07:52 |
| melmoth | let say you use juju to eploy de load balancer (ha proxy), a couple of backend machine (wordpress) and a mysql database | 07:52 |
| melmoth | if you need to add some backend wordpress units, all you have to do is run "juju add unit wordpress" (or somethinf similar) | 07:53 |
| melmoth | and 5 minute slater, you have some more wordpress server in your load balancer | 07:53 |
| troya | waw | 07:53 |
| livemoon | \ | 07:54 |
| troya | so with juju can scallable automatically, is it right ? | 07:54 |
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| melmoth | automatically, automatically | 07:55 |
| melmoth | you still need a guy asking juju to deploy the units | 07:55 |
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| coolj | newbie|3: sounds like you'll need to manually update nova.fixed_ips | 08:02 |
| coolj | something like update fixed_ips set instance_id=NULL and reserved=0 and leased=0 where instance_id=17 | 08:03 |
| troya | thanks melmoth, nice info :) | 08:04 |
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| newbie|3 | coolj: thanks | 08:17 |
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| newbie|3 | coolj: I cleared out it by using nova-manage floating delete --ip_range= | 08:18 |
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| newbie|3 | coolj: is this a known bug ? any fixed or patch ? | 08:19 |
| newbie|3 | coolj: I'm using essex 2012.1 on ubuntu | 08:19 |
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| coolj | newbie|3: not sure. I vaguely recall seeing similar before | 08:30 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1042682 in horizon "Special characters accepted in container name (swift)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042682 | 10:31 |
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| FlorianOtel | koolhead17, yo ! | 10:46 |
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| rororo | hi | 11:33 |
| rororo | does anyone mind explaining in short what the difference in between cloud foundry and open stack is? | 11:33 |
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| rororo | and then what the difference in between cloud foundry and puppet? | 11:51 |
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| rororo | openstack is a control panel for managing vm? | 11:52 |
| rororo | cloud foundry is some dark magic? | 11:52 |
| rororo | puppet is automation for scripting? | 11:52 |
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| ijw | puppet is automation for setting up a machine - installing and uninstalling stuff. | 11:53 |
| ijw | Openstack is the entire cloud infrastructure for managing VM images, running them on appropriate machines, managing separate users, providing programmers' APIs. The front end is only one part. | 11:54 |
| ijw | (The puppet guys would probably shoot me for that description but you could go talk to #puppet if you want more info) | 11:54 |
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| rororo | ok | 11:56 |
| rororo | ijw: what is cloud foundry? | 11:56 |
| ijw | And skimming cloud foundry's website, I'm assuming that operates at the application level rather than at the level of virtual machines, but I'm afraid you'll have to find someone who knows about that. You could keep an eye out for presentations coming out of VMWorld, see if there's anything useful. | 11:57 |
| rororo | it seems to me it is a standard stack that does stuff like load balancing | 11:57 |
| rororo | something along the lines of LAMP but for cloud needs | 11:57 |
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| ijw | I'm guessing you give it an application in a supported infrastructure (Node.js, spring, RoR, whatever) and tell it how you want it running to serve lots of requests, for example. But it's entirely a guess, it's not an area I've researched. | 11:58 |
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| rororo | what throws me off is all the references to virtualisation in the cloud foundry descriptions | 12:00 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1042709 in nova "integrated.test_api_samples.ServersSampleAllExtensionXmlTest.test_servers_get fails on Fedora 17" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042709 | 12:11 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #1042710 in nova "deleting vm is failed for lvm type" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042710 | 12:11 |
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| Daviey | annegentle: hey, did you see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12032/ ? | 12:17 |
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| p3N74d4V1D | which ubuntu version is best installed on the cloud | 12:24 |
| p3N74d4V1D | ?? | 12:24 |
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| p3N74d4V1D | as guest Os I mean | 12:25 |
| rororo | 12.4 | 12:29 |
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| jsbruneau | Greetings - Im facing a bug with keystone where EC2 tokens are not committed to database when created. (You can replicate simply by creating a token and restarting keystone: it the token will be gone). Anyone seen that? | 12:53 |
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| jsbruneau | nevermind, code 18, the backen was not defined properly in our config | 13:09 |
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| bluenemo | hi guys, a simple question :) when i have two compute nodes, say each 2Ghz and 2GB ram, can i make one virtual computer from that with both resources combined? if so do i need a 10.000 network for that to work properly? | 14:00 |
| bluenemo | and if yes, 'how' is this done :) ? | 14:00 |
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| zynzel | bluenemo check ram or cpu throughput | 14:00 |
| zynzel | and compare it to 10gbit network ;) | 14:00 |
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| bluenemo | well yeah its WAY less :) | 14:01 |
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| bluenemo | so thats a no? | 14:01 |
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| zynzel | no, this is impossible | 14:01 |
| zynzel | (with openstack) | 14:01 |
| bluenemo | ok thank you. | 14:01 |
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| zynzel | dont know if exist any solution for that without infiniband or 'point-point' connection | 14:02 |
| z | its fairly dependant on RDMA for one thing, which necessitates 10GE or IB (or similar) | 14:02 |
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| z | Not sure if you can do RDMA over Gig-E these days, I've not kept up :) | 14:03 |
| z | if you can it should come with a health warning sticker the user has to wear on their forehead | 14:03 |
| Dunkirk | Trying to setup swift. I have 2 proxies, and 6 storage nodes. I've setup swauth, which works from the proxy, but not from a remote machine. What could cause that? | 14:04 |
| bluenemo | lol | 14:04 |
| bluenemo | ok so the idea is to buy BIG servers in the first place for compute. | 14:04 |
| z | Correct. Its mostly about getting the Enterprise average of 10-15% utilization on a given machine, up to 60%+ | 14:05 |
| z | Since a system uses N watts running at 15% and that does not become N*4 at 60% usage, its more like N+10% | 14:05 |
| bluenemo | what do you guys have standing around? i'm looking to play with stack first for a few days, then i want to evaluate if we use it for production (we are currently 15 developers for ruby on rails, tendency growing fast, and one happy admin :) | 14:06 |
| z | elaborate on "standing around" | 14:06 |
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| bluenemo | using for compute nodes | 14:07 |
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| bluenemo | z | 14:10 |
| bluenemo | fancy name btw :) | 14:10 |
| rororo | kimsufi.co.uk 24g model would make a good cheap compute server? | 14:12 |
| annegentle | Daviey: yep, I'll review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/12032/ | 14:12 |
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| Math___ | rororo: sure does | 14:15 |
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| Math___ | Dunkirk: which address is it bound to ? are you trying to run swauth on a different server than your proxy ? | 14:17 |
| Math___ | Dunkirk: or you mean you can authenticate from the proxy but not from another server ? | 14:17 |
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| z | rororo: your basic issue with Kimsufi is going to be lack of IP addresses, so you'll end up NAT everywhere | 14:19 |
| z | rororo: you can do 'Professional Usage' (or whatever its called) and pay for a RIPE block but that jacks the cost significantly | 14:19 |
| rororo | umm wrong | 14:19 |
| rororo | pro usage is for OVH | 14:19 |
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| rororo | on kimsufi now it is only $1 per IP | 14:20 |
| rororo | problem with kimsufi is the bandwidth is lower quality than OVH | 14:20 |
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| rororo | but for a compute sever that doesn't matter | 14:20 |
| Dunkirk | Math___: I don't understand. Swauth is a plugin for the proxy-server, right? Don't they HAVE to run on the same box? | 14:21 |
| z | rororo: Fair enough, thats new since I left them! | 14:21 |
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| rororo | z: they just launched a new data centre in canada for 360,000 servers | 14:22 |
| Dunkirk | Math___: I've tried setting the bind_ip to the external address, but that doesn't change anything. I've also tried lots of variations on the default_swift_cluster setting in /etc/swift/proxy-server.conf, without success. | 14:22 |
| rororo | they are planning on turning the bandwidth market upside down for next year | 14:22 |
| rororo | they are rolling out a network with a crazy amount of tbps | 14:23 |
| * z chuckles | 14:23 | |
| rororo | z: http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6229 | 14:23 |
| Math___ | Dunkirk: They do have to run on the same box. | 14:23 |
| z | lemme know when they get near AS15169 ;) | 14:23 |
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| rororo | 40gbps for £29990/ month | 14:24 |
| Math___ | rororo: the canada data centre is now ready! | 14:24 |
| rororo | yes | 14:24 |
| z | rororo: thats actually pretty expensive | 14:24 |
| rororo | I have a server with them in canada | 14:24 |
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| rororo | z: read the post. | 14:25 |
| z | rororo: you'd pay [more than] that for Level3 or similar, but the "budget" bandwidth haulers are well under $1 per Mbps on that volume | 14:25 |
| Math___ | z, rororo: you can get a server for 79$ if I am not mistaken with 4 IP address | 14:25 |
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| * z read it. | 14:25 | |
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| Dunkirk | Math___: But, yes, I can authenticate right on the proxy, but not from my (linux) workstation | 14:26 |
| rororo | http://www.ovh.co.uk/dedicated_servers/superplan_mini.xml | 14:26 |
| rororo | rororo: they are also under $1 per mbps | 14:27 |
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| rororo | 40gbps costs a lot because of the technical limitations | 14:27 |
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| Math___ | Dunkirk: curl -s -k -v -H 'X-Storage-User: user' -H 'X-Storage-Pass: pass' http://publicproxyip/auth/v1.0 | 14:27 |
| Math___ | Dunkirk: have you tried this command on both your proxy and remote ? | 14:27 |
| rororo | 20gbps is a third of the cost | 14:28 |
| z | rororo: I'd prefer http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex4s for budget hosting, to the SP Mini | 14:28 |
| Math___ | Dunkirk: is your port open and not blocked by iptables or another firewall of some sort | 14:28 |
| rororo | z: kimsufi is more inline with hetzner | 14:28 |
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| z | rororo: pretty much the same price, and 2x3TB SATA3 drives, but YMMV. I wouldn't even consider hosting an application which generates significant revenue with *either* of them. | 14:28 |
| rororo | why? | 14:29 |
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| Math___ | z: you'd only have 1 IP address with Hetzner | 14:29 |
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| z | rororo: their SLAs and Customer Service are almost a complete joke | 14:29 |
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| Dunkirk | Math___: I get a 200 from both with that command. | 14:30 |
| rororo | I'd go with 3 providers if there was significant revenue | 14:30 |
| z | i've had a *lot* of clients have very, very bad experiences in a "Yeah so half our servers just disappeared off the network, when will this be fixed?" perspective | 14:30 |
| Math___ | z: the Candian DC have their own support team, different from the one in Europe | 14:30 |
| rororo | fallover > SLA | 14:30 |
| Dunkirk | Math___: (So yeah, the port's open. It's running on 8080.) | 14:30 |
| Math___ | Dunkirk: then it works | 14:30 |
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| z | rororo: lol, this is OT for here but ##infra-talk - having 3 providers doesn't mean jack shit - what is your application/service capable of doing from a failover perspective. >1 datacenter is *hard* work. | 14:30 |
| rororo | fallover > SLA > support | 14:31 |
| rororo | z: well it is easy for compute servers. critical stuff I would use a better provider | 14:31 |
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| Math___ | rororo: what's wrong with OVH ? | 14:32 |
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| Dunkirk | Math___: The thing is, when I try to use `swift', locally, I get 5 entries in the log, and success, but remotely, I get 4 entries and a ECONNREFUSED/ | 14:32 |
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| rororo | Math___: nothing. everything is automated which means the manual service isn't up to standard. | 14:33 |
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| Math___ | rororo: what do you mean by "manual service" ? | 14:34 |
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| rororo | anything that requires them to do something manually | 14:34 |
| Math___ | Dunkirk: you're using the swift command line ? | 14:34 |
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| Math___ | rororo: with the amount of servers/ clients, most have to be automated. | 14:35 |
| Math___ | rororo: they are getting better at it | 14:35 |
| rororo | they will get the job done. it's just that the service is like a crap hotel. unlike somewhere like rackspace which is more like a 4 star hotel. | 14:35 |
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| Dunkirk | Math___: Yeah. | 14:36 |
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| rororo | they never will get better at... because manual interactions are always going to be at a minimum with them. | 14:36 |
| Dunkirk | swift -A https://<external_ip>:8080/auth/v1.0 -U test:tester -K testing stat -v | 14:36 |
| Dunkirk | Math___: Works on the proxy, not remote. | 14:36 |
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| Math___ | Dunkirk: ok.. | 14:37 |
| Math___ | rororo: OVH is pretty decent to me. They have a good network, they are transparent and not subject to the patriot act | 14:38 |
| rororo | yep. | 14:38 |
| rororo | the hard product is great | 14:38 |
| rororo | the soft is underwhelming | 14:38 |
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| Math___ | they have decent facilities. 24/7 on site support | 14:39 |
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| themadcanudist | hey guys | 14:39 |
| Math___ | you mean the manager ? | 14:39 |
| themadcanudist | if you have two datacentres, can you arrange the zones so that one datacentre contains 2 replicas and the offsite DC always contains 1 replica… sort of a degraded failback situation... | 14:40 |
| themadcanudist | ie. can it be 2 zones? where one zone gets 2 replicas always? | 14:40 |
| Math___ | themadcanudist: only if you have 2 zones in the first DC and 1 zone in the other one | 14:40 |
| jsbruneau | You dont choose on what zones your replica ends up | 14:41 |
| themadcanudist | yes | 14:41 |
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| themadcanudist | jsbruneau: i realize that… | 14:41 |
| themadcanudist | but the algo will always chose to put a replica in a distinct zone | 14:41 |
| rororo | no I mean if your server is disconnected due to a lengthen ddos attack talking to customer service people is a shitty experience | 14:41 |
| rororo | most people don't care about such things | 14:41 |
| Math___ | rororo: the Canadian support team is different than the European support | 14:42 |
| themadcanudist | so, 2 zones in the primary DC and 1 in the third… That structure would have to be maintained | 14:42 |
| Math___ | themadcanudist: not more than having only 2 zones and 2 replicas | 14:42 |
| themadcanudist | cuz as soon as you add one more zone to the primary location (ie. further subdivision of racks/power/etc) it wouldn't guarantee that the offsite location has a replica. | 14:42 |
| rororo | sure... but they don't hire people at $50/hr to handle such situations | 14:42 |
| rororo | they hire low level min wagers | 14:42 |
| Math___ | themadcanudist: and you protect yourself from data corruption by having 3 replicas | 14:42 |
| Math___ | rororo: they don't, trust me | 14:43 |
| themadcanudist | Math___: yes. I'm specifically curious about having a degraded offsite location that is guaranteed to have a replica from the primary site. | 14:43 |
| rororo | rackspace handles such situations better because you are talking to an expensive employee when they happen | 14:43 |
| rororo | which is rare | 14:43 |
| themadcanudist | and the possibility of having more than 3 zones… which from what I read, isn't possible. Any plans for a hierarchical zone model in swift's future? | 14:43 |
| Math___ | rororo: I do not want to get into an argument with you, but their Canadian team is great, no min wagers | 14:44 |
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| themadcanudist | ie. to have multiple DCs with replicas, but their own arbitrary number of zones. | 14:44 |
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| Math___ | themadcanudist: it is strongly suggested to have at least 5 zones | 14:45 |
| themadcanudist | Math___: Yes, i Do… and want to… but I'm exploring the idea of multiple DCs and arbitrary zones | 14:45 |
| themadcanudist | and some sort of proxied replication between them | 14:45 |
| themadcanudist | ie. it can be lagged | 14:45 |
| themadcanudist | make sense to you? | 14:45 |
| themadcanudist | just curious what the openstack community is talking about in regards to this | 14:46 |
| Math___ | themadcanudist: in your case, if you want to be 100% sure there is at least 1 replica offsite and you only have 2 DC and still protect yourself from data corruption, 3 zones is your best bet | 14:46 |
| Math___ | you can actually have 4 zones, 2/2 | 14:46 |
| themadcanudist | right | 14:47 |
| themadcanudist | but that's the extent of what the swift community is doing for multiple dc locations, correct? | 14:47 |
| Math___ | not necessarily.. it's cloud storage. In a cloud mentality, you don't care where it is located. | 14:47 |
| Math___ | zones are for failure domain. If you feel your DC is your failure domain, 1 zone per DC, if a city is your failure domain, 1 DC per city. if you feel your rack is your failure domain, you can have multiple zones in the same DC... | 14:48 |
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| Math___ | themadcanudist: for instance, I have 3DC, I am deploying with 2 zones per DC and 3 replicas | 14:51 |
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| Math___ | themadcanudist: I am 100% sure all of the replicas won't be in the same DC at any given time | 14:51 |
| themadcanudist | totally | 14:51 |
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| themadcanudist | but i would argue that from an architects view, with cloud mentality you DO care where you're replicas are. | 14:52 |
| themadcanudist | the customer of course doesn't need to | 14:52 |
| themadcanudist | but when shit goes on fire, you need to be sure you've put something together that will be robust | 14:52 |
| themadcanudist | so yes, your layouts are totally fine for that. | 14:52 |
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| themadcanudist | and i fully understand what you're saying and agree | 14:52 |
| themadcanudist | i'm just thinking that there may be room for another layer of abstraction. | 14:53 |
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| jsbruneau | there is always a way to re-balance your ring if something goes offline for a long time | 14:53 |
| themadcanudist | jsbruneau: totally | 14:53 |
| jsbruneau | but yes, i agree. Replica affinity to zone would be interesting | 14:53 |
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| themadcanudist | at least to talk about | 14:54 |
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| jsbruneau | even if it's only to control bandwidth for replication | 14:54 |
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| themadcanudist | yes | 14:59 |
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| rororo | who here trusts cloud flare to behave ethically? | 15:01 |
| themadcanudist | who here trusts anyone to behave ethically? ;) | 15:01 |
| kbringard | everything i say is a lie, including this | 15:02 |
| kbringard | :-p | 15:02 |
| themadcanudist | they'll certainly behave within my own ethics | 15:02 |
| themadcanudist | i assume cloudflare will too ;) | 15:02 |
| z | rororo: If you don't want to do CloudFlare there are other options, Fastly (fastly.com) springs to mind | 15:02 |
| rororo | cloudflare maintain the right to hijack your site | 15:03 |
| rororo | i remember them adding ads to 404 pages a while ago | 15:03 |
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| Math___ | themadcanudist: I agree, having a "zone priority" would be nice... specifyin one or more zones where any give replica should be at any times | 15:03 |
| rororo | don't think that is very ethical as they don't advertise that as their business model | 15:03 |
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| Math___ | rororo: OVH once hosted wikileaks ... :) | 15:05 |
| rororo | so? | 15:05 |
| Math___ | they don't look at what you are hosting | 15:05 |
| rororo | my issue with cloudflare is hiding their business model | 15:05 |
| rororo | ovh are very transparent about their business model | 15:06 |
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| themadcanudist | yeah, fair enough. | 15:07 |
| themadcanudist | i meant to say that "they'll behave within the framework of their own ethics" (not my ethics) | 15:07 |
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| themadcanudist | and you're right, not being transparent means you have no idea what that may be | 15:07 |
| themadcanudist | cloudflare is a cloud service… hide everything in the cloud, including your business model and ethics… consumers need not worry, it's in the cloud. | 15:09 |
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| rororo | I'm thinking of using cloudflare but only for my site assets | 15:10 |
| rororo | don't want them touching anything dangerous | 15:11 |
| themadcanudist | hehe | 15:11 |
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| notmyname | themadcanudist: I'd love to talk with you more about geographic replicas and zones in swift (I'm leaving for the office now) | 15:27 |
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| themadcanudist | kk | 15:28 |
| themadcanudist | glad to | 15:28 |
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| themadcanudist | so, what's the deal with accounting in swift… ie. counting up requests and bytes? | 15:57 |
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| notmyname | themadcanudist: accounting? for purposes of what's reported in the account and container headers or for doing something like usage reporting and/or billing? | 16:05 |
| notmyname | themadcanudist: also, I'm in the office now, so we can talk about zones | 16:05 |
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| aabes | I have qemu 1.0 and libvirt 0.9.9 and having a hell of a time running on virtualbox | 16:22 |
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| stackNewb | I am trying to create a custom ubuntu image kvm lets me create the raw image, install the operating system but then when I try to boot from the hdd it says it can't find a device to boot from | 16:39 |
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| stackNewb | I am following this guide http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/creating-a-linux-image.html | 16:41 |
| zodiak | stackNewb, you using veewee to build the image ? | 16:41 |
| zodiak | hrm.. so.. those steps work (afaik) so.. where are you deviating from them ? | 16:41 |
| stackNewb | zodiak: nope I'm not using any of the tools | 16:41 |
| stackNewb | no deviation at all which is the odd part | 16:42 |
| stackNewb | I do this kvm-img create -f raw server.img 5G | 16:42 |
| zodiak | are you ~sure~ that you did the tweaking of fstab ? | 16:43 |
| stackNewb | I can't get that far | 16:43 |
| zodiak | it sounds (very much) like it can't find the device with the UUID listed. | 16:43 |
| zodiak | oh | 16:43 |
| stackNewb | sudo kvm -m 256 -cdrom ubuntu-11.04-server-amd64.iso -drive file=server.img,if=scsi,index=0 -boot d -net nic -net user -nographic -vnc :0 | 16:43 |
| stackNewb | this I can do | 16:43 |
| stackNewb | everything installs fine | 16:43 |
| stackNewb | but then when I try to do the next command to boot from the hdd it says it can't find a boot device | 16:43 |
| zodiak | ah. the relaunching part eh | 16:43 |
| stackNewb | yep | 16:43 |
| stackNewb | ohh wait I lied I am deviating in one sense | 16:44 |
| stackNewb | I am using ubuntu 11 desktop instead of server | 16:44 |
| stackNewb | (but I did specify the proper filenames) | 16:44 |
| stackNewb | We are doing a testrun right now to see if it will work with server word for word of that tutorial to see if desktop is the part giving us the problem | 16:45 |
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| zodiak | I would probably suspect that before thinking anything else | 16:46 |
| zodiak | server installs such stuff as ssh by default etc etc | 16:46 |
| stackNewb | I did notice one major difference so far | 16:46 |
| zodiak | if in doubt, follow the step by step.. you may still fail but then, you have logs in /var/log ;) | 16:46 |
| stackNewb | when it asks to format the hdd in the server version it sees the hdd as qemu something something | 16:47 |
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| stackNewb | but on the desktop I think it only saw the disk as sda | 16:47 |
| zodiak | aaahh. yeah. qemu will probably default to qcow2 format | 16:47 |
| zodiak | see. you did deviate ;P | 16:48 |
| stackNewb | lol we'll finish this server install hopefully all goes well, | 16:48 |
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| stackNewb | so do you recommend using veewee for image creation? | 16:49 |
| zodiak | well, keep us informed either way | 16:49 |
| zodiak | *shrugs* veewee is what I am used to, mostly cause it's chef+virtualbox | 16:49 |
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| stackNewb | thanks I'll stop back and let you know | 16:50 |
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| bluenemo | hi guys, i'm just going though the installation instrucktions via apt (the pdf from the homepage) and when i keystone user-create --name=nemo --pass=foobar --email=foo@bar.barz it gives me back: expecting authentication method via either a service token, --token or env[SERIVE_TOKEN], or credentials, 00os_username or env[OS_USERNAME]. | 16:57 |
| bluenemo | i'm running a fresh 12.04 ubuntu, no x, just minimal setup. | 16:58 |
| bluenemo | so far all i basicly did was apt-get install keystone | 16:58 |
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| stackNewb | bluenemo: Did you set the env variables | 17:06 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1042847 in openstack-manuals "Update pre-configuring network for Centos/RHEL/Fedora" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042847 | 17:11 |
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| aabes | bluenemo: you need to provide the admin credentials to let you create the user | 17:55 |
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| aabes | see: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/configuration.html#authenticating-with-a-password | 17:56 |
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| kyle__ | So, I went to launch 35 instanaces on my setup, and all claimed to be up and happy, but only 20 out of the 35 actually work (the rest respondn to arp, but aren't up that I can tell). So I told it to rebuild the 15 dead ones... It's been over 10 minutes, still in rebuild. | 18:07 |
| kyle__ | Is it normal for rebuild to take longer than launching? | 18:07 |
| kyle__ | s/launching/building/ | 18:07 |
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| rohitk | was wondering why does the project default to "invisible_to_admin" in horizon? | 18:27 |
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| kbringard | I'm not positive, but I think it defaults to the last tenant you added the user to | 18:28 |
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| rohitk | kbringard: hmm, seems so | 18:29 |
| themadcanudist | hey guys… what do people use for accounting in swift? ie. tracking bandwidth utilization in swift and numbers of requests per account/user. | 18:33 |
| notmyname | themadcanudist: mostly that's "an exercise left to the reader". However, one option for swift is using slogging (http://github.com/notmyname/slogging). Based on your needs, other simpler or more complex solutions could be used too | 18:34 |
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| themadcanudist | notmyname… that's surpising… does rackspace hint at what they do? | 18:38 |
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| notmyname | themadcanudist: RAX (at least used to) use slogging with some proprietary plugins for the CDN metrics. they may or may not still be using it. they were still using it when I left RAX a couple of moths ago | 18:40 |
| themadcanudist | hmm | 18:40 |
| themadcanudist | i figure that someone should have written middleware to basically store this info in a db as it happens | 18:41 |
| themadcanudist | ie. as puts/gets come through, record that data in line. | 18:41 |
| themadcanudist | should be easy to do | 18:41 |
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| notmyname | themadcanudist: middleware isn't always the best answer for this kind of data. if you are tracking usage for billing purposes, it's very important that it's correct and reproducible later. | 18:43 |
| themadcanudist | notmyname: right… I figure having the logs is a good "reproducible" double-check mechanism | 18:44 |
| themadcanudist | but it's sort of more efficient to record that information in-line, especially at high volumes… What is the issue with middleware run on the proxy recording that data? | 18:44 |
| notmyname | adding billing tracking to middleware adds in all kinds of failure scenarios: eg what if the write is good but the usage update fails? what about proxy servers that come and go? how do you track total storage used (hint: running totals are a bad idea) | 18:45 |
| themadcanudist | ie. I presume it should be 100% reliable… as reliable as the serving. | 18:45 |
| themadcanudist | ah | 18:45 |
| themadcanudist | but the logs are 100% reliable? | 18:45 |
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| notmyname | writing to logs allows you to do reproducible batch processing. but you have to account for late delivery of logs and reprocessing of logs not doubling totals (slogging handles this) | 18:46 |
| themadcanudist | right | 18:46 |
| notmyname | assuming your infrastructure isn't oversubscribed to the point of dropping log lines, logs should be ok. | 18:46 |
| themadcanudist | ok | 18:47 |
| themadcanudist | makes sense | 18:47 |
| notmyname | rsyslogd and syslog-ng (better IMO) can handle quite a large number of logs/second | 18:47 |
| themadcanudist | *nod* | 18:47 |
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| notmyname | themadcanudist: but eg you could do something with zmq or statsd or something similar for doing live tracking of usage. I think that's ok for a snapshot of what's going on or even giving customers an idea of usage, but I don't think it's a good system for generating the final bill | 18:49 |
| themadcanudist | gotcha | 18:49 |
| themadcanudist | i think that's very good advice | 18:50 |
| themadcanudist | thank you | 18:50 |
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| guimaluf | looks like dnsmasq is flooding my network! if dnsmasq is running I can't do nothing via ssh! anyone experienced that? | 18:50 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1042890 in swift "past versions of docs are unavailable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042890 | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | annegentle: I think that bug is on the docs side, not swift, right? ^^ | 19:01 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1042904 in cinder "can't update volume and snapshot display_name" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042904 | 19:11 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1042910 in glance "Malformed request to create image still creates image" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042910 | 19:26 |
| guimaluf | dnsmasq is massing my hole network after starting! wtf is that? | 19:26 |
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| guimaluf | dnsmasq is massing my whole network after starting! wtf is that? | 19:27 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1042914 in python-novaclient "python-novaclient returns an invalid curl command for PUT and DELETE commands in --debug mode" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042914 | 19:31 |
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| zodiak | hey guys+gals, does the nova part of openstack allow callbacks to be specified on actions ? | 19:33 |
| zodiak | aahhh... | 19:33 |
| zodiak | nova.openstack.common.plugin.callbackplugin .. awesome :D | 19:33 |
| zodiak | (I should have checked the source first before asking apparently :) | 19:34 |
| zodiak | guimaluf, not to sound stupid here but, what are you asking ? what is dnsmasq or -- ? | 19:34 |
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| guimaluf | zodiak, what could be happening , since when I start dnsmasq my whole network goes really slow | 19:36 |
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| zodiak | well.. that would probably require a route -n pastied up someplace | 19:36 |
| zodiak | but dnsmasq is a dns forwarding/dhcp server | 19:37 |
| zodiak | it's definitely doing something to your routing tables | 19:37 |
| zodiak | btw, in another window.. when you want to ping me, please include my name ;) | 19:37 |
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| guimaluf | zodiak, i'm trying to fix the problem, seems like was a duplicate network issue :/ | 19:42 |
| zodiak | aaahhh | 19:43 |
| zodiak | whelp.. that will do it :( | 19:43 |
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| guimaluf | zodiak, not duplicate network... but THE nova-network itself. if I boot some VM my whole network stop working... it get very slow and do not ping the Internet | 19:45 |
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| zodiak | did you (when you were configuring the openstack server) say that the hosted vm's should use a different ip range than your main ip range ? | 19:48 |
| zodiak | eg: 10.0.0.x for the hosted vm's instead of (say) 192.168.1.x where your main network lives ? | 19:48 |
| zodiak | I hope that makes sense :) | 19:48 |
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| guimaluf | zodiak, yes, make sense... my setup I'm using 2 NIC one for public/management IP (150.x.x.x) and a private IP (10.5.5.x) using bridge to access physical network | 19:51 |
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| stackNewb | zodiak: We followed the guide exactly using the exact same image they used and it still fails on the relaunching part | 19:52 |
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| zodiak | guimaluf, probably going to need see a route -n output at this point | 19:53 |
| zodiak | stackNewb, welcome to openstack :) there is probably something salient in the /var/log of the main host/dom0/whatever | 19:53 |
| kyle__ | If there aren't enough resources to start a VM, will it still try? Would it every claim to be started then? | 19:54 |
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| stackNewb | alright will do (remember we talked about this earlier) I was creating custom images | 19:55 |
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| zodiak | kyle__, it will still try, this is called overprovisioning and (crappy) isp's do it all the time. assuming you don't mean 'have 24 cores on a 2 core machine' bur rather memory here. | 19:57 |
| kyle__ | zodiak: I've got more cores than vms right now, but will eventually have more vms than cores | 19:58 |
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| kyle__ | zodiak: That said, > 2/3 of these vms will be used only durring class time. | 19:59 |
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| kyle__ | And even when I have more vms than cores, it will probably be 100 or so VMs on 80 cores. | 19:59 |
| zodiak | right.. what I mean when I say cores is; I don't think you can allocate 24 cores on a 1 core machine | 19:59 |
| zodiak | you can allocate 6 machines with 4 cores on an 8 core machine | 20:00 |
| kyle__ | zodiak: Ahh, you mean you can't be a comlete bastard :D | 20:00 |
| zodiak | things may chug if they are all busy ;) | 20:00 |
| zodiak | exactly. | 20:00 |
| annegentle | notmyname: bug 1042890 is a CI bug, moving | 20:01 |
| notmyname | annegentle: thanks | 20:01 |
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| guimaluf | zodiak, i'll reboot now and try to check what is happening! | 20:05 |
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| guimaluf | zodiak, I'm almost wiping the nova db.... :/ | 20:07 |
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| guimaluf | zodiak, 0.0.0.0 10.5.5.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 br100 | 20:09 |
| guimaluf | 0.0.0.0 150.164.3.254 0.0.0.0 UG 100 0 0 eth0 | 20:09 |
| guimaluf | 10.5.5.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 br100 | 20:09 |
| guimaluf | 10.5.5.32 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.224 U 0 0 0 br100 | 20:09 |
| guimaluf | 150.164.3.128 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.128 U 0 0 0 eth0 | 20:09 |
| guimaluf | 192.168.63.0 150.164.3.167 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 | 20:09 |
| zodiak | no .. oh dear god no.. pastie | 20:10 |
| zodiak | not in the channel :( | 20:10 |
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| zodiak | (and also a brctl show as well please ;) | 20:10 |
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| guimaluf | zodiak, just a few lines, that's why I paste here | 20:10 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1042925 in glance "DB Migration 14 fails when applied to running system" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042925 | 20:11 |
| zodiak | not quite sure why you have two 10.5.5.x on the same bridge there | 20:12 |
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| zodiak | since the main one overlaps the smaller one | 20:12 |
| guimaluf | zodiak, my eth1 iface is configured to get 10.5.5.1, but this iface is used by private network, then it get 10.5.5.32 | 20:14 |
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| guimaluf | that is strange :/ | 20:14 |
| zodiak | if you are bridging your eth1 by using the brctl tools in linux, your eth1 should NOT be set to auto | 20:15 |
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| guimaluf | zodiak, i'm not attaching eth1 to br100 through brctl. | 20:18 |
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| guimaluf | zodiak, I think you were right.... rebooting once more... I hope it works! :) | 20:19 |
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| zodiak | urm.. you do know you don't ~have~ to reboot .. a service network restart (or whatever) should clear it all up but.. okily dokily :) | 20:20 |
| zodiak | this is unix, not windows ;P | 20:20 |
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| guimaluf | zodiak, yes I know... but i'm rebooting to check everything... if I had not rebooted I'll never get this issue I'm reporting to you :) | 20:21 |
| zodiak | okily dokily :) it's your system | 20:22 |
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| guimaluf | zodiak, :) it works man! | 20:23 |
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| guimaluf | zodiak, a single auto eth1 | 20:23 |
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| zodiak | not a problem.. feel free to leave money in the jar ;) | 20:23 |
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| jgriffith | Anybody here tried out the RAX Private Cloud distro? | 20:24 |
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| context | jgriffith: url ? | 20:24 |
| jgriffith | context: http://www.rackspace.com/blog/rackspace-private-cloud-is-open/ | 20:25 |
| jgriffith | Been trying to load it up and running into some things... was wondering if anybody has tried it yet | 20:25 |
| zodiak | well.. for purely employer reasons, I haven't (Internap ;) | 20:26 |
| jgriffith | zodiak: :) | 20:26 |
| zodiak | dare I ask.. is the billing side of the equation bundled in there as well ? | 20:26 |
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| zodiak | aahh.. 'production OpenStack-powered private cloud' .. I would assume that's a "no" due to the word private | 20:27 |
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| zodiak | although i would be so happy if they had bandwidth/cactus/niagos graphs of usage setup | 20:28 |
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| context | jgriffith: intereseting. i need to redo my cloud at home anyway. ill try that before falling back to raw openstack | 20:29 |
| context | jgriffith: wish it said what version of openstack its using | 20:29 |
| zodiak | has to be essex | 20:29 |
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| context | thats what it looks like | 20:30 |
| context | hopefully let lets me configure the volume store some how. | 20:30 |
| jgriffith | I'm sure it's essex | 20:31 |
| context | and give me root access | 20:31 |
| jgriffith | I'd let ya know but it's running endless install :) | 20:31 |
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| guimaluf | zodiak, now i'm getting this Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer | 20:33 |
| guimaluf | when I try to establish ssh | 20:33 |
| guimaluf | unfortunately I've to go :( zodiak, thank you very much! cya | 20:35 |
| guimaluf | :/ | 20:35 |
| sniperd | in swift to change your password with swauth do you just use add-user again ? | 20:37 |
| zodiak | guimaluf, no worries (sorry, in another world :) | 20:39 |
| zodiak | sniperd, yup.. swift-add-user | 20:40 |
| zodiak | it's .. not very ~intuitive~ naming but.. meh. it is what it is. | 20:40 |
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| stackNewb | Hmmm do you think I would have better luck using a QCOW2 image instead of a raw image? | 20:51 |
| stackNewb | When creating custom images | 20:52 |
| stackNewb | It seems for some reason kvm isn't seeing the image on relaunch but the OS installs perfect | 20:52 |
| kyle__ | Can you make a default default security group for a tennant? | 20:53 |
| kyle__ | All tennants rather. | 20:53 |
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| stackNewb | or perhaps try the hda flag instead of the drive flag sudo kvm -m 256 -drive file=server.img,if=scsi,index=0 -boot c -net nic -net user -nographic -vnc :0 | 20:55 |
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| sniperd | zodiak: ty | 20:57 |
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| zodiak | sniperd, nw | 20:59 |
| zodiak | stackNewb, yes. use qcow2 | 20:59 |
| stackNewb | alright | 21:00 |
| stackNewb | do you happen to know how to shut down a kvm vm machine if the machine wasn't able to boot | 21:00 |
| stackNewb | because each time I run sudo kvm -m 256 -drive file=server.img,if=scsi,index=0 -boot c -net nic -net user -nographic -vnc :0 | 21:00 |
| stackNewb | and it fails to boot because it can't read the boot disc my frontend is stuck and the only command it seems to respond to is ctrl alt delete | 21:01 |
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| zodiak | no idea, sorry. I don't use kvm (xen here) | 21:05 |
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| stackNewb | ohhh lol | 21:11 |
| stackNewb | when manually partitioning the drive with only the / should the bootable flag be set to on | 21:11 |
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| zodiak | *slaps face* | 21:12 |
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| zodiak | so.. yes.. that's more than likely your problem right there | 21:16 |
| zodiak | anyhoo.. I am away for a couple (dinner). pax. | 21:16 |
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| bitblt | anyone here familiar with keystone's REST services? | 21:27 |
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| kyle__ | Has anyone here used LXC? | 21:41 |
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| kyle__ | For openstack that is. | 21:42 |
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| bitblt | this channel is so quiet | 21:47 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1042974 in horizon "Mount point missing on attach volume message" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042974 | 21:56 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1042975 in python-novaclient "novaclient unexpected tokenizing input error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042975 | 22:01 |
| kyle__ | bitblt: Too quiet. | 22:01 |
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| uvirtbot | New bug: #1042982 in python-quantumclient "--dns_nameserver --host_route support in QuantumV2 CLI" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042982 | 22:16 |
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| gcw | anyone know where/how I configure nova-network to no create the nova-network-floating-snat table or at least no populate it with rules when a floating IP is assigned to an instance? | 22:36 |
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| bitblt | gcw, perhaps in nova/network/api.py | 23:26 |
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| gcw | bitblt: I was hoping for something like a config options.. but ok.. thanks | 23:29 |
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