Wednesday, 2012-09-05

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swinchenHi all..  I did something stupid, but required.  We needed to change all the VLAN numbering so I modified the mysql table (changed label, bridge, vlan fields) to reflect the required changes.   Rebooted.  Now nova-compute is complainging there is no "br1" and there shouldn't be... there is a br10 for vlan10.  Any ideas if there is somewhere else I need to change the bridge numbering?02:04
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swinchennevermind, figured it out... holy crap that was scary.02:13
zodiakoh dear :)02:15
zodiaksorry, I would have helped but.. was having virtualbox snapshot "fun" myself :D02:15
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troyahi all02:17
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troyahi zodiak, i want to install openstack on my single sever with 1 network interface02:18
troyais it possible ?02:18
swinchenzodiak: no problem... I just did some serious grepping for br1 :)   Now I need to figre out why compute node isn't working.02:18
zodiaktroya, urm.. it better be, my laptop only has 1 wlan ;)02:19
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zodiakswinchen, aaahhh.. is this folsom-head or essex ?02:19
zodiaknova-manage version should tell you02:19
swinchenzodiak: essex02:20
troyazodiak: how configure of your network interface ?02:20
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zodiakswinchen, hrm.. that should be peachy. anything in the logfiles ? are you using logger.conf or stdout ? cause, one will be your friend here and one your own worst enemy ;)02:21
swinchenzodiak: it is like it isn't setting up it's network correctly.  It is angry there is no br1...02:21
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zodiaktroya, well, I am running openstack inside vbox for dev purposes. I take it your not wanting to run 'prod' on 1 nic ;)02:21
zodiakswinchen, stupid question but.. you haven't added/removed nics recently02:21
troyazodiak, yes, it only for research purpose :)02:22
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zodiaktroya go with virtualbox .. way easy and a whole slew of resources out there on how to do it02:22
swinchenzodiak: nope02:22
zodiakthis will mean no xen, kvm/qemu for the most part but, on newer laptops, you will be fine02:22
zodiakswinchen, hhrrmm. you are logging to files, right ?02:23
troyazodiak: but on vbox yo still using one network interface, isn't it ?02:23
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zodiakswinchen, there should be ~something~ in there02:24
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swinchenI don't need nova-network installed on my compute node do I?02:24
zodiaktroya, well.. yes.. you have one 'really real' interface that you use to nat out, and then you add a host adapter .. a virtual nic02:24
zodiakswinchen, you shouldn't have to, no02:25
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zodiaknova-compute by itself should be peachy02:25
swinchenzodiak: so nova-compute should create the appropriate bridge, and all that?  Hmmm.02:25
swinchenI am going to zero out the nova-compute.log and try starting it again.02:26
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zodiakwait.. what ? nova-compute should be acting as a dumb compute node02:27
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troyazodiak, i have try to following article from
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troyawhen i try to install keystone, i got error message like (1045, "Access denied for user 'keystone'@'localhost' (using password: YES)")02:31
swinchenzodiak: yes... I am trying to get nova-compute to be a dumb node...02:31
troyawhereas i have configure keystone usre and password, also grant my keystone_db to user keystone@localhost and keystone@'%'02:32
swinchen  <--- maybe you see something I don't?02:32
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zodiakTross, dear jesus wept02:34
zodiakget virtualbox, .. done :)02:34
zodiakfark that whole song and dance thing on that webpage02:34
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troyazodiak:i want to try on my laptop, vibox very weight on me02:35
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zodiakswinchen, well.. other than something happened at 22:29:12 .. nothing much to add sadly02:35
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zodiaktroya, you will end up mucking up your base os but.. your call02:35
zodiakI would STILL use devstack though02:35
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swinchenI wonder if...  rabbit isn't talking correctly.02:36
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troyazodiak: i just want to know why my keystone user can't access db from localhost on keystone installing progress, actually i can login using mysql -u keystone -p02:39
swinchenHmm, I don't need rabbitmq on the dumb compute node do I? that is a server thing correct?02:40
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zodiaktroya, zero idea .. you aren't trying something crazy like an empty password, right ?02:41
zodiakswinchen, correct, shouldn't need rabbit on there02:41
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swinchenI am almost out of ideas.02:41
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swinchenhuh, it is really only 1 config file.  I should be able to get this.02:45
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zodiakswinchen, I feel your pain .. sort of. I was struggling with trying to dev against the madness03:04
zodiakI still am (to some degree ;)03:04
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troyahi zodiak, could you check this url ?03:16
zodiakoh mercy .. okay.. so.. dare I ask ? :)03:16
troyamy configuration wrong on keystone.conf i think03:17
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troyamy user different on keystone.conf, but now it has work03:17
zodiakgood.. well.. whatever works :D03:17
troyazodiak: i want to ask about Create a tenant, admin role and user on these article03:17
troyawhat is the meaning of ?03:18
troyashould i execute these script as .sh file ?03:18
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troyaor execute it line by line ?03:18
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zodiakthat's a lot of lines.. without any context03:19
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zodiakit basically makes services and endpoints.. as to whether or not that's "right" for YOU .. I don't know03:19
zodiakseriously.. devstack.org03:20
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troyadevstack for demo only03:21
troyai have tested sometimes ago, after i restart my sistem everty configuration be loss03:21
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zodiakif you want things to persist then go for crowbar03:22
zodiakI don't know why you are feeling the need to recreate the wheel here03:23
zodiakmean to say, I look forward to you re-writing python ;)03:23
troyazodiak: can i running without keystone ?03:23
troyai mean i ignore these step and go next step03:24
zodiaknot bloody likely03:24
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rpawliktroya: depending on what you're doing on how large of an infrastructure you want, you may want to check out this as well:04:03
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atriushow much hate and discontent would it be to add a non-novavolume iscsi target to the same machine that has nova-volume on it?04:24
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koolhead17hi all07:19
GheRiveromorning koolhead1707:21
koolhead17morning GheRivero sir :)07:22
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046121 in quantum "dhcp should never be enabled for a router external net" [Low,Confirmed]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046173 in quantum "Subnets can be specified in the body of the create network API call meaninglessly" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046188 in nova "Folsom - Instance is not getting deleted on multi node setup Folsom-3" [Undecided,New]
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_3N74_4V1Dhello guys08:17
_3N74_4V1Dany good documentation on puppet??08:17
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046192 in quantum "If gateway allocated on subnet is not in cidr then allocation pools are invalid" [Critical,In progress]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046191 in nova "Folsom - Images disappear while creation after reaching "SAVING" state" [Undecided,New]
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huaiahi! I have some instance in compute node, I used command: virsh list -all and  their status is shuf off08:53
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huaiabut I don't know how to delete them08:53
huaianova delete, euca-describe-instances, virsh destroy can't delete them08:54
huaiaDoes someone know?08:54
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huaiaby the way, only use "virsh list --all" can see them08:55
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046222 in devstack "excersises/ fails with multi host setup" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046236 in nova "Folsom - Quota exceeded error messages for instance quota exceeded are not proper" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046242 in nova "Folsom - Able to create instances above the quota limit" [Undecided,New]
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_etcan anybody make sense of the following error I found in the logs?11:21
_etSep  5 16:24:42 storage object-replicator Error syncing with node: {'zone': 3, 'weight': 1.0, 'ip': '', 'port': 6030, 'meta': '', 'device': 'sdd1', 'id': 2}: Connection refused11:21
_etAny clues?11:21
_etIt's in line 454 in swift/obj/replicator.py11:22
_etbut honestly have no clue wat that bit of code does..11:22
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oneiroiany ideas how to go about debugging dashboard? I'm getting a 500 error when trying to login :S12:23
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EKKFirebug / Chrome's developer view and logfiles might be a good start12:23
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oneiroiyeh all I see in error logs is: No handlers could be found for logger "openstack_dashboard" annoyingly12:26
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oneiroihmmm I think this may be due to missing endpoints12:27
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046313 in nova "At termination, LXC rootfs is not always unmounted before rmtree() is called" [Undecided,New]
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swinchenWhat are some good methods to debug problems connecting a compute node node to a cloud controller?  I am watching a tcpdump on the interface, and they _seem_ to be talking, but the compute-only node does not create the correct networking structure and nova-compute fails because it can not find br11.13:27
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oneiroikeystone bug? 'Client' object has no attribute 'service_catalog' when running `keystone catalog --service compute`13:31
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oneiroiaghhh this is doing my head in, keystone endpoitns-list shows the endpoints clealy but the nova clie client is complainging it can't ring an endpoint ...13:44
asdfahi at all13:46
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046334 in openstack-manuals "Ensure that the glance db_sync command tells people how to version the db" [High,Confirmed]
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Hikhvarhello, somebody familar with the occi nova api?14:19
alogaHikhvar: what do you want to know?14:19
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Hikhvarhello aloga. Is it possible to use the official openstack release with occi? In the wiki it is only discribed with devstack14:20
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alogaHikhvar: yes you can14:22
Hikhvarcould you give me a hint where i could find a documentation?14:22
alogaHikhvar: have you checked ?14:22
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Hikhvaraloga, i don't checked it yet14:31
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alogaHikhvar: it should work whatever isntallation you have14:32
Hikhvarbut thanks for your help. Asking some days here but noone even answers14:32
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alogaHikhvar: tnx, i saw you yesterday (IIRC) but it was too late14:42
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_3N74_4V1Dany idea or guide how to activate ssl on dashboard??14:45
uvirtbotNew bug: #1046353 in cinder "query string filter on listings doesn't work" [Undecided,New]
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bluenemook stupid question but i cant find it; can i create instances with horizon? i can show them (none yet) but i cant see a create button.14:47
GMIbluenemo: in the "Instaces & Volumes" tab there is a "Launch Instance" button (top-right)14:48
bluenemoyes, but i havent created any yet14:49
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GMIbluenemo: I'm not sure I understand your question; do you want to know how to start/create an instance in Dashboard or if it's possible ?14:50
bluenemowell if the options is there, where is it :) i'm a bit slow today i guess.. what i want is basicly setup an instance (debian or so) and run it. however i cant find some create instance button, asking me which iso file i want for installation or something14:51
GMIbluenemo: I guess you mean "create an image14:51
_3N74_4V1Dbluenemo: any idea how to activate https on horizon?14:51
GMIbluenemo: and no, it's not possible to create a Glance image in Horizon/Dashboard; you have to create a KVM image separately and load it into Glance and it will show up in Dashboard if it's public14:52
rhamnettwhen doing a lvm volume snapshot through the essex dashboard, how do you create a new volume from the snapshot? I can't see any way of doing it14:53
bluenemoah ok i understand, thank you very much. maybe i'll build that once i've understood all components. _3N74_4V1D idk, nginx or so?14:53
bluenemoor apache..14:53
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bluenemoi'd just give it some ssl and thats it. maybe basic http auth before that, always good to have14:54
bluenemo@ _3N74_4V1D14:54
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Fade-DudeGood day fellas, and ladies14:55
bluenemothen just google how to get apache2 hosted pages ssl and basic auth. should be dead easy14:55
Fade-Dudeanybody up to quivkly give me some guidelines, before I dive into openstack14:55
Fade-Dudei ahve a couple of basic questions14:55
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GMIFade-Dude: fire away14:56
Fade-DudeI am looking at buying some HP N40L micro servers14:56
Fade-Dudemy idea is to keep adding them, when I need14:56
Fade-Dudecan I / how do I , have all of them provessing as a cloud14:57
Fade-Dudecan I for instance, start with one14:57
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Fade-Dudeand later add another14:57
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Fade-Dudeor do I ahve to ahve 5 machines to start with, like onapp?14:57
Fade-Dudeamd where does the master OS (if you will), sit, that manages the hardware (pools) the resources14:58
GMIFade-Dude: yes, you can scale your nova-compute hosts as you need; the nova-compute hosts need virtualization support and a lot cpu and ram14:58
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Fade-Dudeso say I hve one small hp n40l, where Do i start14:58
Fade-Dudestep 1?14:59
GMIFade-Dude: read
Fade-Dude( I am trying to understand the absic layout / setup)14:59
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Fade-Dudeopenstack is opensource14:59
Fade-Dudei take it the use of it is free?14:59
GMIFade-Dude: Openstack is not simple and you should first read the documentation before starting to install it and getting frustrated, and yes, it's open source and free to use15:00
Fade-Dudethanks for the link15:00
Fade-Dudeits a good starting point15:00
Fade-Dudei understand its advanced, I'm sure we can handle it, jsut wanted an ":overview" before I spend time in diving in any furhter15:01
GMIno problem, when you have more clear questions ask on irc or the mailing list15:01
Fade-Dudeagain, thanks for the link15:01
uvirtbotNew bug: #1046356 in nova "soft_reboot followed by hard_reboot can lead to double reboot" [High,Triaged]
dspanoFade-Dude: Are you familiar with cloud computing architecture?15:02
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Fade-Dudenot insallter wise15:03
Fade-Dudebut farmiliar, yes15:03
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Fade-DudeI have a public webserver running on an onapp infrastrucure (not my own)15:04
dspanoFade-Dude: It took me a couple months of research to get used to Openstack at first.15:04
oneiroiI'veintegrated keystone with nova, now nova is sayign there are no endpoints, keystone reports these endpoints do exists … any ideas?15:04
dspanoI think I've read Anne Gentle's docs a billion times over the last year. :)15:05
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kodapaIs it safe to upgrade from 12.04 to 12.04.1?15:05
_3N74_4V1Dbluenemo: sorry I was afk .... you mean I have to enable the ssl at the service level, instead of horizon configuration??15:05
Fade-Dudei am attempting to replace my inhouse Zeon server (personal in office server), and would like to use small modular hardware, (i.e. hp n40l) and add them on (stack them) when I need mroe resources, as not to re-buy a complete server in a few years time again15:05
kodapaAnything changed in the configs?15:05
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Guest67168I have cloned one of my running   openstack nodes into a new machine but the br100 interface is absent15:05
uvirtbotNew bug: #1046358 in nova "Fixed ip assigned using --nic parameter doesn't work" [Undecided,New]
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dspanoFade-Dude: If you can handle the initial learning curve, then you've found the right solution. I'm migrating a small 2 rack datacenter to an OpenStack cloud for the same reason.15:06
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GMIGuest67168: I believe the bridge gets created when the first instance that uses that bridge starts on your new nova-compute node15:06
bluenemo_3N74_4V1D, that would come to my mind first. but it can also be that you can enable it internally, idk, i've been using / setting up stack since 3 days or so :015:07
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Guest67168GMI: ok thanks I'll try it, I was thinking  that it was create d on every boot by nova-network15:07
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oneiroianyone? "Could not find any suitable endpoint. Correct region?" being reported by nova15:15
Guest67168GMI: thank you very much it works :))15:16
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046382 in cinder "can't update volume meta-data" [Undecided,New]
uvirtbotNew bug: #1046384 in swift "Can't do 'Transfer-Encoding: chunked'" [Undecided,New]
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kodapaIs it safe to upgrade from 12.04 to 12.04.1? Any conf files changes?15:32
lbbHello all15:33
lbbcan anyone help me solve this issue?15:33
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rhamnettright, am I missing something. can you create an instance that is using an LVM volume as the root partition from the openstack dashboard not using a disk in /var/lib/nova/instances ?!15:35
lbbHello all, can nyone help me solve this issue regarding multi-host networking?
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GMIrhamnett: do you mean booting an instance from a volume? (
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rhamnettGMI, yes but it seems crazy that you cannot use an image like ubuntu precise and boot it from a volume (lvm backed) from the dashboard15:42
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rhamnettGMI, on that note is is also strange that i can take a snapshot of a volume (lvm snapshot) but i cannot restore that to a new volume?15:43
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rhamnettGMI, maybe I am misunderstanding things15:44
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piyushI want to install openstack on openbsd ... i cant find single document online pointing me to right direction15:46
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piyushcan any body help ??????15:47
GMIrhamnett: I haven't tested the "boot from volume" functionality but I believe it should create a new volume from a snapshot15:47
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rhamnettGMI, yes but you cannot create an instance easily from a volume in the dashboard to start with. I will create a volume that can boot using the link you provided, then i will test a create new volume from snapshot and report back if it works15:55
GMIrhamnett: you need to install an OS on the volume and you cannot do that if you boot directly from an empty volume; let me know how the process works, I'm curious if that doc is complete15:57
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rhamnettGMI, I did, and no it doesnt work. there is a bug in nova-compute somewhere, it cannot map the disk16:00
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GMIrhamnett: the exercise in devstack should work and you can use it as example (
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guimalufat my node, when I ping it points to local machine, not to the cc-server, even with my iptables pointing this address to correct addres16:05
guimalufat my node, when I ping it points to local machine, not to the cc-server, even with my iptables pointing this address to correct address. In that manner my node vm cannot get the metadata, e.g ssh key16:05
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046404 in ceilometer "Ceilometer would welcome a chef cookbook" [Low,New]
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guimalufanyone know what can I do to solve this?16:06
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rhamnettGMI, yeah tried it (followed the script but did it manually) it fails to boot using the volume16:06
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rhamnettthis looks to be the culprit lines16:06
rhamnettCommand: sudo nova-rootwrap qemu-nbd -c /dev/nbd15 /var/lib/nova/instances/instance-0000000a/disk16:07
rhamnettExit code: 116:07
rhamnettStderr: "qemu-nbd: Failed to bdrv_open '/var/lib/nova/instances/instance-0000000a/disk': No such file or directory\n" from (pid=22287) trycmd /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/nova/
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rhamnettits as though it wants a qcow disk file, although it should be using an lvm volume?16:07
rhamnettthis happens when doing it from the command line or trying to start a volume using the dashboard16:07
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rhamnettGMI I will happily try to debug and provide a fix, just need to know where to start looking16:08
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046406 in nova "Block Migration of instance booted from volume fails" [Undecided,New]
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guimalufThis is only happening in my node: 2012-09-05 16:03:05,334 -[WARNING]: '' failed [50/120s]: url error [timed out]16:11
GMIrhamnett: I don't see that qemu-nbd command in the script, so I think you are referring to the official doc; did you load the nbd module?16:12
rhamnettguimaluf, what is the output of nova-manage service list16:12
guimalufrhamnett, everything is :)16:12
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rhamnettGMI, yes ndb is loaded and i can create volumes and attach them to instances, i just cannot boot from them16:13
rhamnettGMI, do you want to see a full stacktrace?16:13
rhamnettguimaluf, everything is ok state?16:13
guimalufrhamnett, yep16:14
GMIguimaluf: you VM needs an IP address and there should be iptables rules on your node pointing port 80 to nova-api:877516:14
guimalufGMI, this is already set.16:14
rhamnettguimaluf, i had problems when nova-api wasn't running16:14
rhamnettguimaluf, but sounds like u have that16:14
guimalufbut when I ping 169.254 in the node, looks like it point to localhost, not to cc server16:14
rhamnettguimaluf, that is expected i believe16:14
GMIguimaluf: are you runing nova-api-metadata on that node? is port 8775 listening?16:15
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rhamnettGMI, in your dashboard, can you try to start an instance from volume?16:16
guimalufGMI, no, i'm using nova-api16:16
bluenemook basic question. i'm reading the guide (ubuntu 12 pdf), it says i have to create a image with kvm and then install ubuntu or so to that foo bar.. that image then is some kind of plain image i will use if i say ok i need an ubuntu image for that and that, i'll always use that one?16:17
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bluenemoquestion is if i always have to create a new image with kvm and install on that and foo bar if i want a new vm... no proably, right?16:18
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rhamnettguimaluf, are you sure nova-api is running in ps tree?16:18
GMIrhamnett: the stacktrace wouldn't help me too much unless it's something obvious in it because I'm not a developer; you can try and send an email to the list or directly to Lorin  and see if/how he got it working (
rhamnettGMI, i believe that he has just specified an image which is not used, that is stated in the doc you referenced earlier16:19
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rhamnettGMI, i had already read that thread :/16:19
guimalufrhamnett, arggggg I was thinking nova-api was running, but isn't: ImportError: No module named keystone.middleware.auth_token16:19
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GMIrhamnett: unfortunately, I cannot help you more :(16:20
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rhamnettGMI, no problem16:21
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rhamnettguimaluf, yes i thought as much, you need to have that running, i had the same error as you until nova-api was running16:21
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guimalufrhamnett, dam! what package do I need on node? keystoneclient?16:22
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rhamnettguimaluf, it should not run on the node, it should be running on the openstack server where the nova services run16:24
rhamnetti believe16:24
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guimalufrhamnett,  but keystone is already runnning and working on cc-server16:24
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guimalufrhamnett, I need this: apt-get install python-keystone python-keystoneclient16:24
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rhamnettguimaluf, so it's working now?16:26
guimalufomg, I 'm pretty sure will work :)16:26
rhamnettguimaluf, sounds like you have not fully followed a guide if you are missing those dependencies16:28
guimalufrhamnett, the official guides don't talk about this. only on hastexo I saw that packages :/16:29
rhamnettguimaluf, i followed hastexo guide16:29
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guimalufI didnt :/16:30
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guimalufrhamnett, didnt work :(16:37
guimalufsome wrong config :/16:37
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rhamnettguimaluf, can't help really. just start fresh and follow hastexo it works fine. u need to read it all very carefully and don't skip a line16:39
guimalufrhamnett, I'll do that now :/16:40
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moQuezHello everyone... what kind of topics are discussed here? mainly implementation and development issues or overall openstack concept topics?17:03
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046431 in nova "Incorrect query for compute stats" [Undecided,New]
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harlowjamoQuez: i think openstack-dev channel might be more dev focused17:08
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046433 in glance "Failed copy-from not reflected in image status" [Medium,In progress]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046451 in cinder "rename/remove osapi_compute_link_prefix config option" [Undecided,New]
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guimalufrhamnett, finally is it working!!! :D18:01
guimalufrhamnett, now I just need to allow vms access internet!18:01
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046464 in nova "euca-create-volume fails w/ Cinder" [High,In progress]
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piysh8809_I am trying to install openstack on openbsd? Has anyone tried this? Can it work?18:25
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GMIpiysh8809_: probably nobody tried Openstack on openbsd, so you will have a hard time getting help or docs on this topic :(18:27
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Fade-Dudehey guys, can I use a mixture of x86 and x64 based compute nodes?18:38
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Fade-Dudealso, if so, can the 64 bit compute nodes be "32 bit mahcine that cna virtualize 64bit?18:38
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046484 in cinder "deleting volume in 'error' state fails" [Undecided,In progress]
Fade-Dudehey guys, can I use a mixture of x86 and x64 based compute nodes?18:56
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moj0risingHi, Fade-Dude. Not sure if you can. Do the 32 bit CPUs support VT extensions or equivalent?18:58
moj0risingNot sure if any 32 bit CPUs do.18:58
Fade-Dudejust asking18:59
Fade-Dudenot yet..18:59
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Fade-Dudei.e. my intel dual core cpu supports 64 bit virtualization18:59
moj0risingdo you have linux on that machine now?18:59
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Fade-Dudejust trying to figure out if I should buy 64 bit hardware for the compute nodes, cause I believe not all 64 bit cpu's can virtualize 64bit19:00
Fade-Dudei need to be able to run 64 and 32 bit in my cloud19:00
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moj0risingFade-Dude: Okay. So the main thing that enables true hardware virtualization is VT extensions (on Intel CPUS) and AMD-V on AMD...19:01
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moj0risingSo if you have linux on your boxes that you already have, run this at the command line:19:01
moj0risingegrep -c '(vmx|svm)' /proc/cpuinfo19:01
Fade-Dudebut can I "mix" them in my compute nodes "stack"19:01
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Fade-Dudesome that supports it, and some that don;t19:02
moj0risingif they don't have support for virtualization, you can't use them as compute nodes.19:02
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Fade-Dudei am trying to determine if I can push some older hardware (just 32 bit) in as extra resources for pure 32 bit stuff19:02
zynzelFade-Dude: and how to run 64images on 32bit hw?19:03
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Fade-Dudeok, so a normal 32 bit, although it can run 32 bit vm, does not neccecarily have VT or amd-v19:03
moj0risingIf you want to make use of those machines in a similar way, you could put Xen on them without OpenStack...19:03
zynzeldont know if 32bit hw can emulate 64 bit hw.19:03
moj0risingQuite sure 32 bit can not emulate 64 bit CPUs.19:03
Fade-Dudeintet VT can19:03
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moj0risingmight want to verify then.19:04
Fade-DudeI am installing openstack now in a 64bit environment, (virtualbox) on my 32bit dual core19:04
Fade-Dudebut trying to determine what I can push into a cloud as hardware19:04
Fade-Dudei still don;t quite understand how the resources get "shared"19:04
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moj0risingSo Fade-Dude, you can use Zen paravirtualization instead of KVM on OpenStack if you really want to make similar use of those old machines.19:04
zynzelFade-Dude: what you dont understand?19:04
moj0risingThink that is your best bet.19:04
Fade-Dudezyntel, how dow the resources get pooled?19:05
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Fade-Dudea vm boots up on a compute node, but how does it work when you assign more cores to that vm?19:05
Fade-Dudehow does it "share" some of the cpu resource of another compute box?19:05
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zynzelFade-Dude: dont share.19:06
moj0risingFade-Dude: I think you're wondering if you can force your 64b VMs onto your 64b physical nodes, right?19:06
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zynzelFade-Dude: if you have compute nodes with 24CPU19:06
zynzelyou can only use this 24 cpus by one VM19:06
zynzelcan run '24 cpu from on compute node and other 6 from another'19:07
Fade-Dudemaj0r\: what I am trying to do, is this: I am trying to determine what to buy to setup a small in house cloud... as compute nodes... I need to run a 64 bit linux distro, and server 2008 32 bit, and a server 2008 web 64bit...19:07
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Fade-Dudeso i have 2 64 bit os'ses, and 1 32 bit os..19:07
zynzelFade-Dude: 'small in house cloud'? :D19:07
Fade-Dudei am replacing an old Xeon blade serer, that I would like to "add" to the cloud as compute resources19:08
Fade-Dudebut its 32 bit19:08
zynzelxeon blade server in house?19:08
zynzelwhere are you from?:D19:08
moj0risingFade-Dude: How many VMs will you be running? Seems like OpenStack might be overkill.19:08
Fade-Dudeye no it might19:09
Fade-Dudeinhouse = in office :-)19:09
moj0risingTo answer your question, I would buy nodes with 64 bit CPUs and make sure they support hardware virtualization before buying.19:09
Fade-Dudedevelopment and internal server19:09
Fade-Dudeit company19:09
Fade-Dudeweb dev19:09
Fade-Dudesupport software dev19:09
Fade-Dudeetc etc19:09
Fade-Dudei am trying to accomplish the following:19:09
Fade-Dudereplace my xeon blade server with a cloud absed architecture19:10
Fade-Dudethat I can keep on expanding19:10
Fade-Dudeand enver have to re-buy a complete server19:10
Fade-Dudei would like to "add" resources as its needed19:10
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zynzelFade-Dude: ok, but one VM can be as big as biggest physical node19:10
zynzelyou know that?19:11
Fade-Dudemaj0rising, not sure how many vm's, not hundreds.. maybe between 5 and 1019:11
moj0risingHow many VMs do you expect to run concurrently over the next few years on it?19:11
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Fade-Dudeok zynzel , i am sure I am missing something..19:11
uvirtbotNew bug: #1046495 in nova "attach_volume fails for LXC ("No such file or directory")" [Undecided,New]
Fade-Dudethats why I';m here..19:11
moj0risingyeah... then I think it might make most sense to just buy one or two physical boxes that support VT..19:11
zynzelFade-Dude: imho 5-10VMs is not for cloud19:11
Fade-Dudei'm not quite 100% sure of how the architecture works in teh background19:12
moj0rising.... and install KVM on them. Done like dinner. You can have that config up and running in 2 hours or less.19:12
Fade-Dudei have a 2008 web server in a public cloud, with dediserv, they run onapp..19:12
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Fade-Dudei can scale my account to have more cpu and ram, as I need it19:12
Fade-Dudei thought thoose were also "shared" "polled" accross all hardware19:12
zynzelprobably you iaas provider have BIG nodes19:13
Fade-Dudeare only the physical resources available on that node, available to teh vm booted on that node (which makes sense), but I was under the impression that thwo whole cloud has cores "combined"19:13
moj0risinghaha. yeah. that's usually how they do that..19:13
Fade-DudeI.e. distributed processing etc19:13
moj0rising...they might also "overcommit" some resources.19:13
moj0risingDoesn't work that way, unfortunately.19:14
Fade-Dudeok, so its settled then19:14
moj0risingNot sure if any cloud technology does.19:14
Fade-Dudeonly resources on the physical nod is uasble for that vm?19:14
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Fade-Dudei was breaking my head trying to fathom how its possible to pool cpu over utp :-)19:15
Fade-Dudethat breaks it for me :-(19:15
Fade-Dudei was hoping to combine two 1.5ghz cpu's, on 2 diff hardware boxes, as a 3ghz19:15
Fade-Dudethat kinda thing19:15
moj0risingguess it's theoretically possible to do some day -- compute tasks could be distributed across the cluster19:16
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Fade-Dudeok so whats this thing then about a cloud ebign elastic19:16
moj0risingeven if you could do something like that, you probably wouldn't want to -- it would likely be too slow unless you had amazing hardware.19:16
Fade-Dudecloud is jsut then cleverly booting, puliling ans pushing vm's to different hardware nodes?19:16
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Fade-Dudei really had the impression that it was "elastic", as in the general marketing19:17
zynzelFade-Dude: yeah19:17
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zynzelFade-Dude: cloud is elastic.19:17
Fade-Dudei fail to see it?19:17
zynzelif yours application can use its futures.19:17
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zynzelFade-Dude: i wrote simple ssh privkey cracker19:18
Fade-Dudei don;t quite understand19:18
Fade-Dudecan you elaborate?19:18
zynzelwhich use iaas19:18
zynzeland api to spawn new workers.19:18
zynzelFade-Dude: if you have for example 2 nodes.19:19
zynzel24 cpus on each19:19
zynzelif you application is stupid as hell, you can only use 24 cpus19:19
zynzelon one node.19:19
zynzeland thas all19:19
Fade-Dudelol @ stooped as hell19:19
zynzelif you need better performance, you can but bigger server (for example 48 cpus)19:19
Fade-DudeI am a software developer19:19
Fade-DudeI msut be stooped as hell19:19
Fade-DudeI ahve no clue how to develop "elastically"19:20
zynzelFade-Dude: so listen :D19:20
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Fade-Dudecan I read?19:20
zynzeland now, you have great inteligent app19:20
zynzelwhich can distribute task to many workers.19:20
zynzelfor example for 48 workers, each with 1 cpu19:20
zynzeland spawned on 2 physical nodes.19:20
zynzelthis is elastic ;)19:21
zynzelbut cloud isnt solution for all problem.19:21
Fade-Dudebut how does the applciation |"know" about the underlying architecture?19:21
zynzeland dont read marketing bullshit ;)19:21
Fade-Dudedoe you for simple terms19:21
Fade-Duderun it on both nodes, and have it communicate with each other19:21
moj0risingSo basically, your app is then developed to run in a multi-node environment, rather than jus tone giant elastic node that can grow or shrink.19:21
zynzelFade-Dude: yeah19:21
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zynzelyou can use for example torrent (to distribute tasks)19:22
zynzelor amqp19:22
zynzelor many other protocols19:22
Fade-Dudeok well thanks guys19:22
Fade-Dudeyou spoiled my evening19:22
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zynzelgreat ;)19:23
Fade-Dudeso baiscally I need to buy beefy hardware19:23
Fade-Dudei was SO looking forward to buying "small" server and add them19:23
moj0risingWell, you might not need to get anything really beefy. Depends on what you're running.19:24
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Fade-DudeI wanted to get a couple of hp N40l 's19:24
zynzelmany apps allready can runn on multi node env ;)19:24
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Fade-Dudei wanted tos tack them19:25
Fade-Dudephysically and virtually19:25
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Fade-Dudeok so, let me jsut make sure I cmompletely understand, if I may19:27
Fade-Dudelets say I hav a node that has 2 cores.... and I need more... I buy a bigger node..... cant add just another 2 core node... unless I have an app than can run 2 copies of itself, one on each node, and communicate19:28
Fade-Dudethat about sums it up19:28
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zynzelFade-Dude: yeah19:30
zynzelbut this is only compute 'part' of iaas cloud19:30
Fade-Dudeye, storage I can understand how that works more elastic in a cloud19:31
zynzelthere are many great futures in OS (for example API [your app can scale automaticaly], snapshot [also available from API], availability zones, and many more)19:31
Fade-Dudebut I am pretty sure I can scale to a HUGE number of cpu's with dediserve.19:31
Fade-Dudedo they just have VERY large nodes?19:31
zynzelFade-Dude: probably yes+overbooking as moj0rising says.19:32
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Fade-Dudeso wahts my best bet19:36
Fade-Dudejust buy hardware the old fashioned way19:36
Fade-Dudeand virtualize19:36
Fade-Dudenot really neccecary for cloud19:37
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Fade-Dudeunless I buy a 48 cpu box :-)19:38
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Fade-Dudecan an OS, like server 2008, make use of "elastic" operation?19:44
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Fade-Dudewhat do I refer to if I want to chek if an app supports multi node awareness stuff?19:49
Fade-Dudeapp/os/ etc, what to look for?19:50
Fade-Dudewhat is the propper term(s)19:50
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046524 in openstack-common "rpc review: declare_*_consumer() is a private implementation detail" [Medium,Confirmed]
atriuswhere in the world are the endpoints defined?20:16
atriusthe IP address for them that is20:16
atriusnm.. found it :)20:18
atriusit was in the keystone database20:18
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046525 in openstack-manuals "Task: get permission to bring in monitoring post from Mirantis blog" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046537 in devstack "stable/essex devstack fails on stock ubuntu 12.04" [Undecided,New]
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046538 in horizon "Disabling projects can lock the user out of the system" [Undecided,New]
themadcanudisthey guys.. anyone here have experience setting up slogging?20:41
themadcanudisti can't get this thing to give me verbose output that's telling me why it's not loading in the log files… it tells me it loads 0 log files, but that's it.20:41
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zodiakthemadcanudist, that's .. very weird20:49
themadcanudistyeah. it's mostly the lack of understanding20:50
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themadcanudisti'm re-reading the page… but really, I should be able to get this thing to read the /var/log/swift/hourly/* files20:50
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zodiakuurm.. set the log_dir and a good source_filename_pattern and you should be good to rock and roll20:51
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themadcanudistThen I'm running: su -s /bin/bash -c "/usr/bin/swift-log-stats-collector -v --lookback_hours=100 /etc/swift/log-processor.conf" swift20:52
zodiakso, do your log filenames match the pattern ?20:52
themadcanudistthey do20:52
zodiaklooks fine to me20:52
themadcanudisti know! =D20:52
zodiakpaste up the rest of your config20:52
zodiakunless it contains top secrets from the russians.. or.. something20:53
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zykes-zynzel: ping20:53
themadcanudistzodiak: if the swift_user and swift_account are wrong, it should still process the proxy logs, right?20:53
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themadcanudisti'm just trying to get the acces logs workign first20:55
themadcanudistthere's really no good tutorials on the net for this =\ and the docs are sparse20:55
zodiakurm.. look at the etc sample config then20:56
themadcanudisti am20:56
zodiakI would ~seriously~ think that the swift user/etc has to be "correct"20:56
zodiaksince it's going to try and store the processed results someplace20:56
themadcanudisti see20:56
zodiakcall me crazy, Ishmael but, yeah20:57
themadcanudistyeah, i figure it would tell me some info20:57
themadcanudistlike parsing files and then error out on not being able to store the results in a container20:57
themadcanudistbut i'm probably expecting too much (error msg ;) )20:57
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zodiakyou get a full refund if it it doesn't work ;P20:58
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themadcanudistzodiak: conceptual question - does slogging run ONLY on the proxy(s)?21:00
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themadcanudistis it just the access logs? that part is a bit confusing21:00
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themadcanudistthe SAIO directions obviously make the question irrelevant, but i have a multi-node config21:01
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zodiakyeah, if you have a multi node, you correlate all the logs into one place and then run slogging on it.. of course, you can also run the slogging on each node and then correlate the results21:02
zodiak6 of one...21:02
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notmynamethemadcanudist: zodiak: I can help with slogging21:10
themadcanudistah, the author =D21:10
notmynameparts of slogging run everywhere21:10
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themadcanudisti suppose my biggest problem is conceptual, just understanding where all the pieces fit21:10
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notmynameok. 3 steps: create logs, upload logs, process logs21:11
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notmynamecreate logs == standard proxy logging or the account stats logs generated by slogging21:11
notmynameupload logs == swift-log-uploader (puts the log files in the swift cluster)21:11
notmynameprocess logs == download the logs and produce some aggregated usage info21:12
zodiaknotmyname, jst approve my CIDR patches *shakes fist* :P21:12
notmynamezodiak: :-) just waiting on my comments to be addressed...21:12
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zodiakthere you go.. using logic21:12
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zodiakactually.. I will get those changes done today.. I should have the time and none are huge21:13
notmynamethe normal reason you have 0 log files found is because the mtime is to new21:13
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notmynamezodiak: cool21:13
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themadcanudistntomyname: totally…  i thought i could go about this one step at a time, ie. see if it can find the files and parse them, then error out if it can't upload them ,etc…  so i'm creating the swiftstats user in the swift cluster now21:15
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notmynamethemadcanudist: does that high-level overview make sense?21:16
themadcanudistyeah, i pretty much got that from reading the SAIO example and the docs21:17
themadcanudistit's sort of putting it all together and the lack of error messages with bad configuration that was throwing me off21:17
themadcanudisti semi-get it, but will fully grok it when I finally implement and it works.21:17
themadcanudiststill wrapping my head around swift/keystone as well21:18
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notmynamethemadcanudist: I gotta run for a little bit. I'll be back to answer other questions later21:20
themadcanudistis the swift_hash = AUTH_${account_id}21:20
themadcanudistsorry swift_account21:20
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themadcanudistzodiak: how does the log processor authenticate if it just knows the swift-account? ie. where's the key?21:29
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comptonaI saw that Chris Hoge gave a presentation where he hacked in a read-only LDAP backend to Keystone; does anybody know if the source code for that has been published anywhere?21:42
Ryan_Lanewhy would it need to be hacked in?21:42
Ryan_Lanemine is read-only with the default backend21:42
Ryan_Lanekeystone doesn't need to write to ldap at all21:42
comptonaas a sql fall-through21:42
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Ryan_Laneldap in read-only mode can really only be used for identity21:43
comptonaso if the user isn't found in the sql database, it'll try LDAP too21:43
Ryan_LaneI see21:43
Ryan_Laneno clue if that code is published21:43
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comptonaI'm really just trying to let people log in to the dashboard using their active directory credentials21:44
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zodiakthemadcanudist, sorry... am eating dinner :)21:59
themadcanudistsorry =D21:59
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themadcanudistno worries21:59
themadcanudisti got some more debug output… by upping the loglevel to DEBUG21:59
zodiakswift itself is probably setup to auth against keystone so.. that's how it can work. the swift command does that as well :)22:00
themadcanudistbut it's still not seeing logs… furthermore, i'm confused as to how it can even authenticate via keystone/swift if it only has the account name… OH, so it's reading the admin_token in and using the keystone interface?22:00
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themadcanudistbasically the answer is that it's using the admin_token?22:00
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themadcanudistform the proxy-server.conf?22:00
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zodiakthe admin token is like a master key .. so .. yes22:01
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046576 in glance "glance-manage should not require glance-registry.conf" [Wishlist,Triaged]
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zodiakwhich is why you 'got away' with the swift user/login being wrong, since you had the admin token correct22:02
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themadcanudistso, i'm doing something really dumb then22:02
themadcanudistbecause this should work22:03
themadcanudisti su'd to the user its running as and can read all the log files in there.22:03
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themadcanudisti'm really trying not to start looking at the code =D22:03
themadcanudistalthough as a last resort =D22:03
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zodiakwell.. I know what ~I~ would do..22:06
zodiakincrease the log_level22:06
themadcanudistit's at DEBUG22:06
zodiakand you aren't getting any messages out ?!22:06
atriushuh... it seems nova-volume is ignoring the database for a volume connection... it got set to an incorrect ip address for the provider... i've corrected the db... but it still insists on going to that wrong IP for the iscsi connection22:06
zodiaknova-volume ?! you mean cinder don't you ;P22:07
themadcanudistthat's what allowed me to get the: swift lookback_start: None22:07
themadcanudistswift lookback_end: None22:07
themadcanudistat info, they don't show22:07
atriuszodiak: did the name get changed? :D22:07
zodiakatrius, yeah.. for folsom22:07
atriusoh... lol22:07
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zodiaksadly, I dev on keystone and nova22:08
zodiakso.. I can't help you there22:08
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atriuszodiak: well.. when does folsom come out? :D22:08
zodiaksep 29th I think22:09
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zodiakhaven't heard of any show stoppers so far22:09
atriusis there a feature list laying about somewhere?22:09
zodiaknot that I have seen.. but hopefully for press release purposes ;)22:09
atriusand in any case... where would nova-volume be looking aside from the volume table in the nova database?22:09
atriuslol... are you running it somewhere?22:09
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zodiakurm.. yeah.. nova-volume should definitely be storing it in the volumes table22:11
zodiakactually, stupid thought.. is it storing a dns resolvable name in the volumes table ?22:11
zodiakcause, if that's the case, and your dns has changed... ;)22:11
zodiakand yes.. I am ~still~ trying to have dinner :D22:11
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themadcanudistthat's my conf22:12
themadcanudistthe start/end time encompass my logfiles22:12
themadcanudistanything in there look drastically wrong22:12
themadcanudistit's gotta be something22:12
atriusno.. ip address... i suspect it latched on to a DHCP address during initial install and won't turn loose of using that address for iscsi... even though there is nothing in the volumes table that points to it22:12
atriusand yet, every time i start nova-compute, it tries to run iscsiadm against the now non-existent IP22:13
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zodiakthemadcanudist, nope.. nothing looks horribly wrong22:13
zodiakyou could ~always~ try remarking out the user = swift part.. that shouldn't be req'd as long as you have the admin token22:14
zodiakI think22:14
zodiakyou're talking to me during eating :D22:14
atriuszodiak: lol... what's for dinner?22:14
themadcanudisthaha, oh crap, sorry again.22:14
themadcanudistjust tell me when you're done eating, if you have the patience to spare22:14
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zodiakatrius, baked beans, cheese, toast :)22:15
zodiakand wine22:15
zodiakdon't judge me :P22:16
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atriuslol... no worries here22:16
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atriusthough.. i could ask the wife to send some food that way... do you like real chinese food?22:16
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zodiakI like everything chinese.. or japanese..22:17
zodiakthere is an implied *wink**wink* there22:18
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atriuslol... indeed :D22:18
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atriusi'd just nuke the volume out of the DB and be done with it... but since nova-volume is clearly ignoring the DB... it'll still fail to start while trying to attach to that phantom iscsi22:27
notmynamethemadcanudist: (drive-by comment) slogging assumes it is running inside the cluster and therefore bypasses auth22:27
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mjuszczakoops, sorry22:30
uvirtbotNew bug: #1046591 in nova "Incorrect compute node stats" [Undecided,In progress]
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zodiakthemadcanudist, yo.. so.. whilst I sitting here watching the coffee brew.. how's things going ?22:48
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046605 in nova "nova-manage network create num_networks" [Undecided,New]
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themadcanudistzodiak: not well23:29
themadcanudistzodiak: i'm gonna crack open the code23:29
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notmynamethemadcanudist: meetings over. how can I help?23:31
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themadcanudistSo basically I have:
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themadcanudistdon't understand why it's not chewing on the access logs23:33
themadcanudistthey're readable by the user… the path is right, the pattern should match23:34
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notmynamethemadcanudist: is the mtime less than 7200 seconds ago?23:35
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themadcanudisti tried making new_log_cutoff 720000 and also 123:38
themadcanudistand it still picks up nothing23:38
themadcanudistis that the right value to adjust that?23:38
themadcanudistalso 023:39
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notmynameya. and the log uploader should debug log "Skipping log: ..." if it finds a file but it's too young23:40
themadcanudistyeah, it's not23:40
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themadcanudistyou saw the DEBUG output i pasted, right?23:41
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notmynameno, sorry23:42
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notmynamesaw it now23:42
notmynameah ha!23:43
themadcanudistuh oh =D23:43
notmynameyou skipped a step23:43
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themadcanudistthat would make sense23:43
notmynameremember, 1) create logs, 2) upload logs, 3) process logs. you are skipping step 223:44
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themadcanudistok, so i assume the proxy server creates the logs23:44
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themadcanudistand i need to process them23:44
notmynamelog-stats-collector processes the logs that are in the swift cluster. it doesn't upload the logs to the cluster23:44
themadcanudistwhat parses the proxy-server logs? =D23:44
notmynamethe proxy creates them, swift-log-uploader uploads them, and swift-log-stats-collector processes what's in the cluster23:44
themadcanudistOH ok23:44
notmynamealso the "stats" logs are created by swift-[account|container]-stats-logger23:45
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themadcanudistok, i'm generating a bunch of traffic23:47
themadcanudistquick boto script to populate some random containers and fetch them, etc..23:47
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1046607 in python-glanceclient "Handle 300 multiple choices response" [High,Triaged]
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themadcanudistthere we go! the uploads are failing… gotta trace that now =)23:51
themadcanudistat least i have a lead now! Thank you!23:51
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gatuusdoes anyone knows of a good.. er... starting guide??23:53
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themadcanudistdoesn't even look like this thing is connecting via swift to upload… that's sort of frustrating… no keystone auth either.23:55
themadcanudistjust failing silently and not telling me why23:55
notmynamethemadcanudist: note that slogging bypasses auth. it's running inside the cluster23:55
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gaulI am debugging using swift with keystone.  I followed directions at but I continue to get authentication errors when running "swift -V 2 -A http://localhost:5000/v2.0 -U service:admin -K admin stat".  any suggestions on how to debug this?23:56
themadcanudistso it doesn't use the proxy to post the files?23:56
notmynamethemadcanudist: no, not the front end proxies. it instantiates its own copy of the proxy code23:56
themadcanudistit's using keystone + admin_token to do most of its dirty work, correct?23:56
themadcanudistwow, ok23:57
themadcanudistso, i don't really have too much of a lead as there are no logs generated telling me why its failing =D23:57
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