Thursday, 2012-10-11

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tscoppWell, I'm not a novice to linux. I deployed it all via the puppetized howto I found online and it seems like it *mostly* works, it's just hitting some error and I'm not familiar enough to know what logs to look at00:00
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tscoppGah. So it worked once, and I have a functioning instance. And then I tried to make another (five or so times) and it fails.00:10
uvirtbotNew bug: #1065319 in quantum "The extension manager does not care about order of modules" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106531900:11
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kherotscopp how did you fix it in the first one?00:12
ev0ldavetscopp, when you create an instance it does the following, makes request to nova-api, schedules in nova-scheduler on controller.  determines the compute node to send to and sends message via rabbitmq.  nova-compute builds the instance00:12
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tscoppkhero: nothing changed. My operating theory is that one of my 4 compute nodes is working and it's just the luck of the draw if the task gets allocated there00:13
ev0ldavetscopp.  so places to check. /var/log/nova/nova-scheduler.log on controller, find the compute node it was sent to if it made it that far or see what filter failed00:13
ev0ldavethen /var/log/nova/nova-compute.log if it made it to compute node and see what failed there00:13
tscopphmm.. so it seems like it made it through the scheduler, there are what look like correct rpc calls00:14
ev0ldavethen it should say what compute node it was sent to00:14
tscoppit does, do I have to check the log on that compute node?00:15
tscoppor on the controller?00:15
ev0ldaveeverytime you spawn an instance it will check ram/cpu/disk filters to determine which node to send to, you should see ram.filter with pass or fail. yada yada for cpu and disk00:15
ev0ldaveon the compute node00:15
tscoppah ok00:15
tscoppthat would explain why I'm not seeing anything particularly error-y on the controller00:15
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ev0ldaveyeah, as far as it's concerned it did its job00:16
ev0ldavebrb, dinner00:16
Ryan_Laneis there any way for me to delete a flavor that's in use?00:17
Ryan_Lane really I just want it to not show as an option any more00:17
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Ryan_Laneif I delete one that's in use, it causes 500 errors00:17
Ryan_Lanewhen listing and such00:18
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tscoppokay, so it looks like libvirtError: Unable to read from monitor: Connection reset by peer00:20
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tscoppokay, so this is where it all appears to begin: Stderr: 'device-mapper: resume ioctl failed: Invalid argument\ncreate/reload failed on nbd15p1\n' from (pid=19746) trycmd /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/nova/utils.py:27700:23
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tscoppyeah, it's failing to create whatever /dev/nbd15p1 is, and then when it tries to access it, it go boom.00:26
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colon_Dif my controller goes offline are my compute nodes actually gimped in any serious way?  their VMs should just continue on churning?00:43
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larskscolon_D: Yes, virtual instances will continue to run even if you kill your controller.01:06
larsksYou can restart pretty much everything without damage.01:07
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colon_Dlarsks: That's awesome!  Thanks01:07
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tongli@notmyname, john, u there?01:50
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JayLeeI reported a bug about virtual interface creation error. https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/106209701:53
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tonglihi, anyone there who works on Swift, would like to ask a question.01:55
tonglihttp://logs.openstack.org/14180/2/check/gate-swift-python26/782 : FAILURE01:55
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Qtenanyone have any advise on howto go about a multinode install, ie which roles are best split away from the compute node etc?02:01
JayLeeI want to fix that bug(https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1062097) Please, Confirm that bug02:02
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JayLeeI want to fix that bug(https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1062097) Please, anyone confirm that bug02:15
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zodiakJayLee, confirm the bug ?02:17
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JayLeeYes, Because that bug is not confirmed, I can't commit source about that-02:19
JayLeeBug status is just 'New'.02:20
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zodiakJayLee, if you have a test case in python that repos it, I can confirm02:21
JayLeeOk, I'll write, How can I repos it?02:22
zodiakreproduce it via a unittest02:22
zodiakrepos == reproduce :)02:22
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zodiakyou will have to do that anyway for the patch to be accepted upstream02:23
JayLeeYep, Ok-02:23
zodiakyou can also, btw, attach a plain old patch to the bug.. even if it's "new"02:23
zodiakfirst things first, I would suggest you assign it to your launchpad id ;)02:24
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JayLeezodiak, hmm02:25
JayLeeYes, I changed assign to me.02:25
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JayLeeAnd I try to change status from New to Confirmed by myself.02:25
zodiakah, yup, I see it's now assigned :)02:26
zodiakwell, you can't "confirm" your own bugs ;)02:26
JayLeeAnd It's OK! ... I don't know I have permission to change a status.02:26
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zodiakO_o02:26
zodiakokay, that's .. jst weird02:26
JayLeeYep.. me too;;02:26
JayLeeIs it launchpad error?-02:27
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JayLeeI'm gointo lunch.. See u later.02:30
zodiakyup.. have a good one02:31
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prometheanfiredoes openstack support vde based networking?02:36
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stacknewbieHello I am a new user to openstack03:09
zodiakhey :)03:09
stacknewbieI am having an issue with vm's going into a "Hard Reboot" status03:09
stacknewbiehow can I fix this issue without terminating the instance03:10
stacknewbiehello zodiak03:11
zodiakwell, first thing I would do is check the logs and see why it's doing that03:11
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stacknewbielogs on the nova-controller?03:12
stacknewbieor /var/log/messages in the vm?03:13
zodiakon the controller.. not sure if you can get to the vm since it's going into hard reboot ;)03:13
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stacknewbieon horizon it says Hard Reboot but the vm is still running03:15
stacknewbieI can access the vm via vnc03:16
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stacknewbieI'll check the logs on the nova-controller03:17
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tscoppHmmm, I seem to have broken my ability to VNC from the web03:22
tscoppso of the three configuration options controlling VNC (novncproxy_base_url, vncserver_listen, and vncserver_proxy_address) which should be set to my controller and which should be set the to the private ip on the compute node?03:23
tscoppI've been googling and experimenting to no avail. It was working before I started playing with them03:23
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065366 in python-novaclient "keypair-add --pub_key fails when using tilde" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106536603:55
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065367 in python-novaclient "boot without --image but with --block-device-mapping raises an exception" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106536704:01
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065371 in nova "nova-compute running xcp-xen fails to launch instance" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106537104:15
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065375 in horizon "'Disassociate Floating IP' action name too long" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106537504:31
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Qtenany tips on howto show the keystone endpoint-list to show the service-list of which it refers to?05:11
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vivekHi all05:51
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Guest89791Hi all i am running Folsom release with openvswitch05:56
Guest89791and not able to launch instance05:57
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Guest89791getting error Instance failed to apawn05:57
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Guest89791Instance failed to spawn06:01
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JayLeeHi, I tested create duplicated MAC Address for vif. I think if I insert same mac address, that will be failed. Bacause address is unique key.06:16
JayLeeBut My test code is print 'OK' Anyone review this?06:16
JayLeehttp://pastebin.com/w0qJyFYH06:17
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KeovenHello :)06:27
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JayLeeHi, I tested create duplicated MAC Address for vif. I think if I insert same mac address, that will be failed. Bacause address is unique key.06:28
JayLeeBut My test code is print 'OK' Anyone review this? http://pastebin.com/w0qJyFYH06:28
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koolhead17KyleMacDonald: sir06:47
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koolhead17any quantum expert here06:48
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melmothcr cr cr06:49
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melmothsorry, it s a nervous laugh koolhead17 :-)06:50
koolhead17melmoth: Seems like am in wrong timezone :)06:50
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JayLeeHi, I tested create duplicated MAC Address for vif. I think if I insert same mac address, that will be failed. Bacause address is unique key.06:58
JayLeeBut My test code is print 'OK' Anyone review this? http://pastebin.com/w0qJyFYH06:58
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JayLeeHi, I tested create duplicated MAC Address for vif. I think if I insert same mac address, that will be failed. Bacause address is unique key.07:35
JayLeeBut My test code is print 'OK' Anyone review this? http://pastebin.com/w0qJyFYH07:35
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JayLeeHi, I tested create duplicated MAC Address for vif. I think if I insert same mac address, that will be failed. Bacause address is unique key.07:53
JayLeeBut My test code is print 'OK' Anyone review this? http://pastebin.com/w0qJyFYH07:53
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jlanzahi... I would like to ask a simple question. Is it possible to run a VM in openstack and attach to it a local resource, like can be done in Vsphere?07:56
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EmilienMjlanza: what do you mean by "local resource" ?08:06
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drcursorHi! A new day, a new question ;)08:07
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jlanzaEmilienM: the computer I'm using the VM from. lets say I have a server with Openstack and a VM running there. From my laptop I connect to the vm and I want to attach my local usb to the remote machine08:08
drcursorI have a master node and two compute nodes. If I restart any of the compute nodes, the instances running on them don't auto start. Is there a way around this?08:08
EmilienMjlanza: you can't compare vSphere to OpenStack. And no, you can't connect an USB key to your VM. That's not the goal of the Cloud ;)08:09
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uksysadminzykes-, how goes it08:09
uksysadminhello all08:09
EmilienMdrcursor: yes, there is a flag to put in nova.conf08:09
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EmilienMuksysadmin: o/08:09
jlanzaEmilienM: yes I know. Could you explain why cannot I compare vShepre to OpenStack? Is there any opensource environment that resembles more to vSphere?08:10
uksysadminEmilienM, I am going to pick your brains today08:10
EmilienMuksysadmin: I'm in a busy day :(08:10
uksysadminEmilienM, I don't suppose there is a diagram anywhere that explains the network set up of your documentation?08:10
zykes-uksysadmin: good ;p08:10
uksysadminEmilienM, I completely understand08:10
EmilienMuksydadmin: yep, w808:11
uksysadminkk08:11
zykes-jlanza: cause ways your meant to work with them are different08:11
zykes-comparing parts of vcloud towards openstack is more "realistic"08:11
EmilienMdrcursor:  resume_guests_state_on_host_boot=true08:11
drcursoremblem : i looked around and couldn't find it..any idea what its?08:11
drcursorthanks08:11
zykes-EmilienM: did you read the Synaps stuff from Samsung ?08:11
zykes-it's freakin' awesome!08:11
EmilienM start_guests_on_host_boot=true also08:12
EmilienMzykes-: no08:12
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zykes-you should :D08:12
jlanzazykes-: any alternative to vSphere that you recomend?08:12
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EmilienMuksysadmin: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-network/admin/content/use_cases_single_router.html08:12
jlanzazykes-: opensorce and free if possible08:12
EmilienMuksysadmin: if you run my Quantum script, you'll have exactly this use case08:13
EmilienMjlanza: I don't know.08:13
zykes-jlanza: jlanza why you need vsphere ?08:13
zykes-what is your goal ?08:13
EmilienMjlanza: but trust me, attach an USB key to a VM is not the goal of an IaaS ;)08:13
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uksysadminEmilienM, cool - but is there something that ties up the interfaces and network ranges - so where I'm seeing 30.0.0.0/22 - what is that in your script for example?08:14
EmilienMoh08:14
jlanzazykes-:  I dont need vSphere, I want to create a virtual environment where my students can attach their local serial ports or usb wifi dongles to the remote VM08:14
EmilienMuksysadmin: since I don't have public network in my home (yet), I'm using RFC 1918 for public network :P08:14
EmilienMyou just need to read the comments ;)08:15
zykes-jlanza: local serial ports to a vm ?08:15
uksysadminDid EmilienM just tell me to RTFM?! ;-)08:15
zykes-sounds more like you want vmware workstation or virtualbox to me :)08:15
EmilienMjlanza: you can do it with networking ;)08:15
One-Man-Bucketis it possible to create a volume that's "cloned" on boot? i.e. have a master volume for static data that's rarely updated and have all vm:s start with a clone of it mounted08:15
One-Man-Bucketuksysadmin: i found the cpu_ratio policy setting yesterday, btw :)08:16
EmilienMOne-Man-Bucket: snapshots08:16
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uksysadminOne-Man-Bucket, awesome.08:16
One-Man-BucketEmilienM: i'm not sure how that would work? create a new snapshot before launching the vm?08:16
One-Man-Bucketit sounds a bit tricky to automate08:17
jlanzazykes-: yes I know that VMware o virtualbox do the same, but this way I need to run the VM locally. The issue is that some of them doesn't have computers with enough power. Besides, I want to control what they do to put marks and so on. So if they have it run locally, there's no way. I have instalaed a ESX Server with vSphere Cliente and it seems to work, but I alway like to find the opensource option08:17
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zykes-ah08:17
uksysadminkoolhead17, I started doing a screencast yesterday to add to my blog08:18
EmilienMjlanza: you can run a NFS server, great practice for your students ;)08:18
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zykes-EmilienM: did you get the metadata thing to work ?08:18
EmilienMuksysadmin: ping me in PM this morning if you need, but I can't promess.08:19
jlanzaI know this is also possible, but again they need to have the system locally installed08:19
EmilienMzykes-: yep08:19
zykes-EmilienM: :|08:19
zykes-darn you ! : p08:19
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EmilienMrtfm08:19
EmilienM:p08:19
zykes-EmilienM: fix your puppet modules ;p08:19
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jlanzaEmilienM: I know this is also possible, but again they need to have the system locally installed, so I dont have access to what their base configurtion is .. etc.08:19
zykes-that you said you where going to :D08:19
EmilienMzykes-: great, I have no time to work on it. You've done a good job, thx btw08:20
zykes-;)08:20
zykes-EmilienM: stop going to school :)08:20
EmilienMahah08:20
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uksysadminEmilienM, no worries - I'm ok with trying things to see what's what and how it fits.08:26
zykes-;p08:26
zykes-uksysadmin: using quantum ?08:26
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uksysadminzykes-, yes08:27
zykes-;)08:28
uksysadminzykes-, so I have an install where I can create networks and spin machines up - its the final bit of plumbing between quantum, ovs and my instances that I haven't got my head around08:28
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melmothuksysadmin, same here08:28
melmothand the more i read, the less i undertand.08:28
zykes-;)08:29
zykes-uksysadmin: basically, you have a "internal switch" or br-int right ?08:29
uksysadminmelmoth, we'll sort this today08:29
melmothdoes anyone knows if i need to use a --provider when creating a quantum network to have it hooked to the real world ?08:29
zykes-the vm itself is "plugged" into that br-int bridge08:29
zykes-with a VLAN tag08:29
uksysadminwith the help of zykes- (and EmilienM)08:29
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melmothhmmm, i added some bridge to my compute nodes, but apparently, no ports to eth1 in this bridge08:31
zykes-this is then "patched" into your physical network bridge which is mapped in bridge_mappings uksysadmin / melmoth via the interface br-int (int-<your network bridge>) for traffic from your internal switch out to the world and from the other switch phy-br-virtual08:31
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zykes-a bit weird their cause I copy pasted 1 part, basically there's a "patch port" between the bridges08:32
zykes-then in your uplink bridge or the bridge for you see that in contrast to Essex Quantum the traffic doesn't look to be "tagged"08:32
uksysadminzykes-, I think I just need more caffeine08:33
melmotham i suppose to run ovs-vsctl add-port br-int ethwhatever on my comput nodes ?08:33
melmothor is this done automatcially by some services ?08:33
zykes-the reason for this is that the traffic that arrives from the integration bridge has a internal tag and the tag is then changed by Openflow on the virtual switch on the way out08:33
uksysadminmelmoth, I did follow the giude at EmilienM's GitHub on this - definitely a good place to start rather than the documentation08:33
melmoththis one ? https://github.com/mseknibilel/OpenStack-Folsom-Install-guide/blob/master/OpenStack_Folsom_Install_Guide_WebVersion.rst08:33
melmothif it s another, please let me know the url.08:34
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uksysadminProblem with documentation - and this is no way a reflection of the docs team - is that the current documentation is very wordy in making people understand all aspects of the product - where someone just needs an operators guide that cuts out the wolly stuff08:34
zykes-So a port in br-int can have vlan 1 internally and look at this then: cookie=0x0, duration=138922.118s, table=0, n_packets=5973, n_bytes=1071690, priority=4,in_port=4,dl_vlan=1 actions=mod_vlan_vid:60,NORMAL < it changes VLAN tags uksysadmin on the way out from 1 to 6008:34
uksysadmins/wolly/woolly08:34
zykes-thagt's how the linking works uksysadmin08:34
melmoththis one, what i did not do if i compare, is to use any --provider when creating my networks08:34
uksysadminzykes-, cheers for the info08:34
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jlanzazykes-: EmilienM: Thanks you guys... I will have a further look.08:35
jlanzasee you08:35
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EmilienMmelmoth: this one : https://github.com/EmilienM/openstack-folsom-guide08:36
melmoththanks08:36
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EmilienMnot perfect, but good to start08:36
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notzeguys08:39
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notzeif i do nova-image create, the server will always be down for a while08:40
notzeas of yet i use kvm08:40
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EmilienMnotze: I use "glance image-create" in Folsom08:40
notzethen it works?08:41
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notzewithout interruption?08:42
koolhead17uksysadmin: super08:42
EmilienMbut if it's not working for you, check if you image has the flag "is_public=True" if this image owns to another tenant ;)08:42
notzeis the server available during image creation?08:42
EmilienMyep08:42
notzemhmh08:43
EmilienMLook into nova-api.log and nova-compute.log what happens08:43
notzewith KVM as hypervior08:43
EmilienMit takes 5 minutes more or less08:43
EmilienMyes08:43
One-Man-Bucketis that a new feature in folsom? to have server active during image-create?08:43
EmilienMdo you have a volume attached ?08:43
notzeno08:43
notzethis is the onliest problem before i can go live08:43
notzei cant use it if it goes down08:44
EmilienMcan you check nova-*.log please ?08:44
notzeyes i will copy it08:44
EmilienMpastebin it please.08:44
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notzesure08:44
melmothEmilienM, what is the reason of doing " ovs-vsctl br-set-external-id br-ex bridge-id br-ex" ?08:45
melmothi did not see that in the doc.08:45
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melmothis it just to avoid having some random string generated for the id of the br-ex bridge ?08:46
EmilienMI'm not sure it's useful anymore08:46
melmoth:-)08:46
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One-Man-Buckethmm, when i launch a snapshot, obviously it starts in the "booted" state. can use a similar workflow (launch instance, make changes, snapshot) but be able to actually boot the new snapshot?08:46
EmilienMbut since this bridge has been connected to ext net, I guess it's good tu put it08:46
One-Man-Bucketis this making any sense? :)08:46
EmilienMs/tu/to08:46
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notzehttp://pastebin.com/tjgq7GV408:54
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EmilienMmelmoth: only DEBUG, not really fun :p08:58
EmilienMnotze: ^08:58
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melmothtoo many stuff i have no idea about08:59
notzewhat do you mean08:59
melmothi mean i have no idea how this whole stuff is even suppose to work.08:59
melmothi never used ovsvtl, i never heard of ip namespace befor yesterday09:00
melmothall of a sudden, i have ip i need to write 100000 character long line just to see (sudo ip netns exec qdhcp-9b96d525-7005-410e-9a9f-39f3741088ee ip addr list)09:00
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uksysadmin;-)09:00
melmothhey, watch out :)09:00
EmilienMnotze: nothing special, DEBUG is fine. you need to show ERROR09:00
notzethere is no error09:01
notzewhat error09:01
EmilienMfor snapshot09:01
notzeit looks like designed like this09:01
notzethat the VM gets stopped for a few minutes while creating the snapshot09:01
notzeor few seconds09:01
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notzebut this cant be the way09:01
EmilienMare you running nova-compute into a VM ?09:01
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EmilienMnotze: ^09:02
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notzeno09:02
notzeon good server09:02
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EmilienMshared storage ?09:02
notzeno09:03
EmilienMnotze: try to run "top" during snapshot09:04
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notzeand then09:04
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EmilienMand then ?09:06
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EmilienMsee what happens :)09:06
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One-Man-Bucketmaybe i should write a blog post about our installation09:07
One-Man-Bucketdidn't find much about using openstack for in-house smoke testing09:07
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koolhead17One-Man-Bucket: go ahead and add your blogroll to the planet openstack as well :)09:10
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EmilienMkoolhead17: +1 ^09:11
koolhead17hola EmilienM09:12
koolhead17melmoth: BTW am depressed too.09:12
melmothwe should make a therapy group at uds.09:13
melmothHello, my name is melmoth and i m a network n00b,.09:13
koolhead17melmoth: +1 to that09:13
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melmothif i look i my networks, i did not create a gateway for the private one, i did not used any --provider for the external one (nor am i even sure i understand what those are)09:15
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melmothso, may be it s normal it s not behaving as i would expect09:15
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notzeEmilienM what do you use as hypervisor?09:18
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EmilienMQEMU for testing, KVM for prod09:18
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notzeand if you take a snapshot does the prod. machine still run in the middlewhile?09:19
notzeif i take  a snapshot in the dashboard the machine even gets shutdown!09:20
notzeso its wanted?!09:20
zynzelnotze: really shutdown? or only power_state in db show 'poweroff'?09:20
notzetry it09:21
notzeSHUTDOWN09:21
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notzeokay SHutoff09:21
zynzelnotze: so kvm process is not running?09:21
zynzelon compute node?09:21
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notze? no i have 10VM09:22
notzeand i take a snapshot of one09:22
notzeso only that one goes to shutoff09:22
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notzeand comes back afer 1min09:22
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zynzelwhile snapshoting VM should go to pause state for a moment09:23
zynzeldont remember if vm goes to shutdown.09:23
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065430 in nova "Ig the log directory is not present then nova-api should fail to write the log messages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106543009:26
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notzezynzel that its bad design it cannot go to pause state09:29
notzethats crazy09:30
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notzeit takes tooo long09:31
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notzeduring the whole snapshotting process its down09:34
notzeno just at the end it comes back09:35
notzewith active09:35
notzeand still snapshotting09:35
koolhead17notze: you mean the instance your taking snapshot goes down09:35
koolhead17*of09:35
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notzeYES09:36
notzeat least for a while09:36
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koolhead17notze: is your machine good enough with resource ? Just asking?09:36
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notze4 Core Intel with 32GB RAM09:37
koolhead17notze: what does top gives can u see at time u start snapshot, i would agree it takes sometime 4 snapsho09:38
koolhead17t09:38
notzesec09:39
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itarchitectkevthat's better. don't mind me - you lot carry on now. ;)09:47
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notzekvm toggles arroung 7-10%09:48
notzeqemu-img goes upto09:48
notze10%09:48
notzenot eve09:49
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065440 in nova "resize does not migrate DHCP host information" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106544009:51
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notzehas anybody tried openstaclk with VMWARe ESXI10:23
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zykes-notze: atm it doesn't have too many features10:24
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notzewhat does it mean10:32
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drcursorTwo compute nodes;VlanManager;NodeA[eth0=192.168.6.102;br100=10.1.0.6];NodeB[eth0=192.168.6.103;br100=10.1.0.4];I can ping between instances on the same node,but not with instances in different nodes;If I run brctl br100 eth0 > Instances can ping between nodes, but I loose conectivity on eth0 (192.168.6.102/192.168.6.103)10:40
melmothnotze, i think it was a mention to http://wiki.openstack.org/HypervisorSupportMatrix10:40
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saurabhhow to assign acls in object storage10:42
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JayLeeHi, I tested create duplicated MAC Address for vif. I think if I insert same mac address, that will be failed. Bacause address is unique key.10:52
JayLeeBut My test code is print 'OK' Anyone review this? http://pastebin.com/w0qJyFYH10:52
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foexleheyho guys, i've a strange problem with horizon and quantum in folsom release. Horizon gets a api url to quantum but i don't have any idea where this url comes from. Not from keystone (endpoints) and not from local_settings.py10:56
foexlethe problem is, this url are wrong :>10:56
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itarchitectkevholy crap - my instance running with quantum has an IP address!11:12
itarchitectkevIt's inaccessible - but that's beside the point... quantum is *that* secure ;-)11:14
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koolhead17melmoth: seems like itarchitectkev reached where you been for sometime ^^11:16
itarchitectkevhey, I've not looked at poking my eyes out yet - he's in a more advanced state of despair.11:17
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luciochello guys. Im looking for documentation in how I add a user to a tenant, and change add/edit its role in the tenant. Anyone can help?11:23
luciocusing the API *11:23
melmothi dont know how to do it using the api.11:24
melmothbut if you do it with keystone client, and record the traffic with tcdpump -w, and replay it in wireshark, you can see how it s done11:24
foexleheyho koolhead17 :)11:25
melmothyou may even see it simply by configuring keystone in debug mode may be11:25
melmothkoolhead17, here i m reinstalling from scratch. this tends to cheers me up a little when i m too depressed11:25
luciocmelmoth: oh, true. I will take a look into that. ty11:25
melmothlike "look at least i can do something"11:25
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koolhead17melmoth: :) You inspiring me to do the same11:26
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itarchitectkevzykes-, in the guide in Emilien's blog - the script to create the virtual networking has random IPs in - what do they refer to?11:28
itarchitectkevzykes-, Would be good if that guide had a picture of how the end product looks and how you would access the guests, on what address range etc.11:29
drcursoranyone can help me with this ? http://serverfault.com/questions/437248/openstack-connectivity-between-instances-on-2-separate-nodes11:29
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itarchitectkevmelmoth, when you've finished with those pencils, can I use them to poke my eyes out too please?11:48
itarchitectkevmelmoth, I'm teasingly close - but don't understand following these guides what the arbitary IPs actually refer too11:49
itarchitectkevso I can use them in my own environment11:49
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itarchitectkevotherwise the guide is awesome... zykes- take note!!11:49
melmothmore or less same here. i m re installing everything, with exactly the same number of network as in the doc11:50
melmothsame wiring11:50
melmothand will play then, untill it works, or i am asked to do soemthing more urgent11:50
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itarchitectkevstarts off great: controller on X.X.X.X and compute on X.X.X.X but then doc then refers to some other ranges :(11:50
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itarchitectkevwhoa - the Quantum guide is 65 pages long11:56
itarchitectkevthink I know my issue - I can ssh to my instance from the host11:57
itarchitectkevbut not outside11:57
itarchitectkevthis is just the old world of me needing to assign a floating ip11:57
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melmothitarchitectkev, no gateway set on the network ?11:59
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melmothgive me those pencils bakc now, you reach further than i did11:59
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itarchitectkevmelmoth, no - I'm keeping them handy. I've not tested my theory yet12:00
itarchitectkevI set a gateway, but not sure what that actually refers to12:01
melmothi guess it s an ip connected to the "bridge" and , well... something else.12:01
melmothi so notunderstand what i m doing i have difficulty picking word to describe things :)12:01
itarchitectkevhaha - yeah that was the exact same conclusion I came to ;-)12:01
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zykes-itarchitectkev: say whaaat ?12:17
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itarchitectkevzykes-, in Emilien's docs - its great - I've quantum. He (isn't here to assist/defend) said run the quantum-networking.sh script - that you are named ;-) - but what are the IPs and ranges in question and how to they map to the documentation?12:19
itarchitectkevI've got an instance running on a quantum created subnet that I arbitrarily created12:19
One-Man-Bucketmy vm:s have trouble reaching internet12:19
zykes-;p12:20
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One-Man-Bucketthe node controller has internet access through a default gateway12:20
itarchitectkevfrom my compute host (I've only the one) I can ping and ssh to that instance12:20
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One-Man-Bucketany idea whre i could start looking?12:20
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itarchitectkevdoes this mean I've created, in old language, a private network?12:20
itarchitectkevand to access this I need a floating ip assigned now?12:20
zykes-itarchitectkev: you create a "router" for your tenant / all tenants (provider router)12:20
zykes-then you set a external gw for it with a ip from the external network12:21
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zykes-then you link your subnet to that router via the interface-add command and you should have inet access12:21
zykes-;)12:21
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itarchitectkevI will give it a go12:24
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zykes-;()12:24
itarchitectkev:-S12:24
itarchitectkevlol12:24
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* itarchitectkev goes to get more coffee first (and more pencils)12:25
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One-Man-Buckethm12:29
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One-Man-Bucketit seems to have something to do with the promisc setting12:39
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JayLeeHi, I tested create duplicated MAC Address for vif. I think if I insert same mac address, that will be failed. Bacause address is unique key.12:41
JayLeeBut My test code is print 'OK' Anyone review this? http://pastebin.com/w0qJyFYH12:41
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One-Man-Bucketno, now i've set promisc mode on both br100 and eth012:46
One-Man-Bucketand vm:s still can't reach outside the private and office network12:46
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itarchitectkevso zykes- do I no longer have to assign floating ips, instead you create routes to your new quantum network?12:51
itarchitectkevzykes-, how come the guide refers to floating ips then?12:51
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k3rnhi12:56
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k3rnI installed openstack using the devstack script. At the moment I am testing some different localrc configurations to get the network configuration set up correctly. With the recent configuration everything seems to be okay, but when I try to launch an instance, it ends in status ERROR. How can i troubleshoot this issue - where do I find the corresponding log file?12:58
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_3N74_4v1Dhi13:03
_3N74_4v1Dis it possible to configure essex to use vmware esx server as hypervisor13:04
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_3N74_4v1Dand if yes does anyone has a good guide how to do it?13:04
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itarchitectkev_3N74_4v1D, I do believe it is, but that's as helpful as I can be - never done it.13:05
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_3N74_4v1Daight cool13:06
_3N74_4v1Dgood to know13:06
itarchitectkevhttp://docs.openstack.org/essex/openstack-compute/admin/content/vmware.html13:07
itarchitectkevsorry for the RTFM - but that's as far as I ever read out of curiosity13:07
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One-Man-Bucketany idea why i don't get internet connectivity on my vm:s ?13:10
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One-Man-Bucketor where to start looking?13:12
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geordishhttp://wiki.openstack.org/UnderstandingFlatNetworking13:14
geordishhttp://unchainyourbrain.com/openstack/13-networking-in-nova13:14
geordishhttp://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/existing-ha-networking-options.html13:14
geordishhttp://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/configuring-vlan-networking.html13:14
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geordishI find those links are useful work working out how networking works in openstack13:14
One-Man-Buckethmm, when i disable nova-compute on all nodes except the "main" cloud controller to force the vm to launch there, i get internet connectivity on the vm13:14
One-Man-Bucketbut i get dupe icmp packets when i ping13:14
One-Man-Bucketi run flatdhcp13:15
One-Man-Bucketthanks for the links13:15
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One-Man-Buckethmm, i was under the impression that i should run nova-network on all nodes?13:17
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One-Man-Bucketok, it seems i got the dupe packets because both the bridge and eth0 had promisc mode on13:19
One-Man-Bucketturning off promisc mode on both interfaces still lets the vm access internet13:19
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One-Man-Bucketbut when i force the instance to launch at another machine i can't access internet =(13:22
geordishOne-Man-Bucket: afaik nova-network should just run on one node13:22
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geordishit acts as a gateway for your vm's I think13:23
geordish(its been a few months since I looked at this)13:23
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One-Man-Buckethmm13:23
One-Man-Bucketi think i set multi-host to true when i created the private network (it said so in the installation manual)13:24
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goingstudyhello everyone,i have a question13:26
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goingstudyquotas support only 10 instances at most,how can i change this limit?13:28
goingstudycan anyone help me?13:29
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One-Man-Bucketwhen the manual says to set the flag: --ec2_dmz_host=$nova-api-IP, does it mean i should replace $nova-api-IP with the node controllers ip?13:30
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larsksgoingstudy: Log into the dashboard as "admin", and go to the "Projects" section.  Click on "Modify quotas" in the menu next to a project name.13:31
One-Man-Buckethang on, that was from an old manual13:31
larsksgoingstudy: You can also use the "nova-manage project ..." command.13:32
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goingstudyok13:33
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One-Man-Bucketi can see the ping packets with tcpdump on the vm host13:43
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One-Man-Bucketthis page in the docs: http://docs.openstack.org/essex/openstack-compute/install/apt/content/compute-create-network.html13:49
One-Man-Bucketit seems to set multi-host=T13:49
One-Man-Bucket(which i did)13:49
One-Man-Bucketdid it screw up the installation? =(13:49
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065511 in cinder "cinder incorrectly creating tgt files in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/volumes/" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106551113:56
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One-Man-Bucketi haven't installed nova-network, but isntalling nova-compute seems to add nova-network as an upstart job?14:03
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One-Man-Bucketno sorry, i did14:04
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One-Man-Bucketso now i tried to update the networks table in the nova database and set multi-host to 0, since tehre is no way to do it with the CLI14:05
One-Man-Bucketand uninstalled nova-network on the second compute-node14:05
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JayLeeHi, I tested create duplicated MAC Address for vif. I think if I insert same mac address, that will be failed. Bacause address is unique key.14:11
JayLeeBut My test code is print 'OK' Anyone review this? http://pastebin.com/w0qJyFYH14:11
uvirtbotNew bug: #1065516 in nova "nova migrate does not update bridge configuration on destination node" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106551614:11
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065519 in glance "service glance-registry start produces spawning child processes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106551914:16
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065522 in swift "Add X-Delete-At support to FormPost" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106552214:21
uvirtbotNew bug: #1065524 in openstack-common "lockutils - API for setting up lock_path/lock_file_prefix" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106552414:21
uvirtbotNew bug: #1065525 in openstack-common "lockutils - API for destroying the semaphores" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106552514:21
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065529 in openstack-common "lockutils - native threads support" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106552914:26
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One-Man-Bucketshould nova-scheduler run on only one node?14:31
One-Man-Bucketwhat does it do?14:31
uvirtbotNew bug: #1065531 in openstack-common "lockutils - lock dir cleanup locks wrong" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106553114:31
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melmothOne-Man-Bucket, yes it does. I think it decide wich compute node to pick when a new vm must be statred14:32
melmothi do not know for sure if it also schedule other tasks14:32
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One-Man-Bucketok14:32
One-Man-Bucketbut it's not enough to have one scheduler running on the main node?14:33
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065532 in openstack-common "ZmqProxy's PUB sockets cause eventlet polling loop - 100% cpu utilization" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106553214:36
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One-Man-Bucketi think i got networking to work now14:37
One-Man-Bucketin single host mode14:37
One-Man-Bucketwith access to internet on the vms14:37
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One-Man-Bucketor almost14:40
One-Man-Bucketi have to set promisc mode on br100 on the cloud controller14:41
One-Man-Bucketthis makes internet access work everywhere14:41
One-Man-BucketBUT vm:s that run on the cloud controller itself get duplicate packets14:41
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One-Man-Bucketi suppose this is good enough14:43
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065537 in openstack-manuals "Task: document how to change Dashboard time zone" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106553714:46
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b4sherwhenever i'm issuing keystone commands (on a fresh installation of essex from ubuntu repos), the only output is "printt"14:50
b4sherhas anyone seen this before?14:50
b4sherit appears to be a function of prettytables in python, and that module is installed14:50
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annegentleb4sher: I saw that yesterday but for the life of me I couldn't repeat the steps14:57
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annegentleb4sher: in my case, I was installing from the Cloud Archive (and hoping to install Folsom)14:57
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b4sherannegentle: i think the problem is i gave up on folsom (need to do more testing before submitting into our production env)14:58
b4sherannegentle: so i removed all the sources and packages, cleaned the system of any trace of it (as well as dbs), then proceeded with the cloud archive using 2012.114:59
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b4sherannegentle: ended up applying this patch (https://launchpadlibrarian.net/104576486/replace-printt.diff) to /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/keystoneclient/utils.py and now it seems to be working14:59
k3rnI got a problem with associating a floating IP to an instance. I get an error quoting that the selected IP is not a valid choice...15:00
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065549 in nova "Error "nova volume-create" - TypeError: %x format: a number is required, not unicode " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106554915:11
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Dieterbeis it possible to do signed urls in swift?15:21
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JayLeeHi, I tested create duplicated MAC Address for vif. I think if I insert same mac address, that will be failed. Bacause address is unique key.15:26
JayLeeBut My test code is print 'OK' Anyone review this? http://pastebin.com/w0qJyFYH15:26
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doudeHi all, someone try to do backup command through the Compute API with extension "admin actions" extension on Folsom release ?15:26
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doudeHi all, someone try to do backup command through the Compute API with extension "admin actions" on Folsom release ? Me I get errors on Nova and Glance15:46
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doudeI opened 2 bugs : https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1065053 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/106506015:47
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One-Man-Bucketi think we have to swithc to multi-host networking anyway15:57
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One-Man-Bucketit seems there's a network bottleneck15:57
_3N74_4v1Dhey people, I start VMware machines from nova, but on vmware I get something like "unable to find operating system"15:57
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One-Man-Bucketespecially when spawning a new image.. the images are served from the same machine that runs nova-network15:57
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_3N74_4v1Dseems vmware cant boot the image15:57
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_3N74_4v1Dis there secial ubuntu images for vmware?15:58
_3N74_4v1Dspecial*15:58
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sagar_nikamhi, i am trying devstack on ubuntu 12.04, the script is hanging at sudo virsh list --all. how do i solve this ?16:01
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k3rnI can't assign floating IPs via horizon. I get an error quoting invalid choice. I did manage to assign an floating IP via the 'nova add-floating-ip' command. Is that a recent bug?16:14
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k3rnand another question: I am testing the folsome release using devstack. Does anyone have an localrc file to set up all-in-one openstack using one network interface in the host?16:16
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sagar_nikamk3rn:i am trying devstack on ubuntu 12.04 and the script is stuck at sudo virsh list --all. how do i solve this ?16:28
Cardoelook at /var/log/libvirt/libvirtd.log16:28
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sagar_nikamCardoe: no entries in the log file.16:34
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k3rnsagar_nikam, you can try starting the script as user root. the script will then add a user 'stack' and start installing as this user...16:35
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sagar_nikamk3rn: thanks, will try that16:36
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JayLeeHi, I tested create duplicated MAC Address for vif. I think if I insert same mac address, that will be failed. Bacause address is unique key.16:37
JayLeeBut My test code is print 'OK' Anyone review this? http://pastebin.com/w0qJyFYH16:37
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scalability-junkhey is there any detailed docs what the difference between cinder, swift and ceph?16:50
scalability-junk*is?16:50
CardoeI can tell you swift is Amazon S316:51
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scalability-junkI'm doubting that amazon s3 is swift but yeah it has the same functions...16:52
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oNeToWncinder is a block storage management service, swift is designed for object storage, ceph want become both of block storage and object storage.16:54
oNeToWnit's what my understanding.16:54
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Cardoescalability-junk: I meant as a parallel competitor16:55
CardoeIt implements the same functionality16:55
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scalability-junkCardoe, hehe just was kidding with you16:55
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scalability-junkoNeToWn, yeah that's sort of what I understand too. so cinder isn't a real blockstorage it's just a gateway sort of?16:56
scalability-junkand ceph is not really used in production openstack setups?16:56
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notmynamescalability-junk: my understanding is that cinder is an integration point (so ceph, solidfire, et al can all make cinder-pluggable block storage things)16:57
scalability-junkok great16:57
MrHeatHi, anyone have been using keystone api to create users? "OS-KSADM:password" doesn't work with dashboard... they are using different method of authenticate16:57
MrHeatI need to know how to send a compatible password of keystone with dashboard via api16:58
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notmynamescalability-junk: and ceph isn't an openstack project, but they are pretty involved with it, especially from the block storage side16:59
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notmynamescalability-junk: swift is an object storage system, so it's not directly comparable to block storage. swift is good for backups, archiving, static content. it's designed for large scale (both in concurrent users and in amount of storage) and is ideal for any unstructured data that can grow without bound17:00
scalability-junknotmyname, yeah but would actually be cool from a infrastructure perspecitve to have ceph for block, filesystem and object storage I think.17:00
oNeToWn+notmyname, nice explanation.17:00
scalability-junknotmyname, yeah but with openstack you would need (if you really need that) swift, cinder and for example gluster if you need a distributed filesystem.17:01
scalability-junkwith ceph it's all one storage and service as I understand it. sounds like great at first sight.17:01
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notmynamescalability-junk: I think it's more important to look at the use cases you are solving for first. It's better to have something that solves your problem well rather than something that sorta solves all your problems.17:02
scalability-junknotmyname, so the drawback is that ceph isn't as specialized for each parts?17:03
scalability-junkso you wouldn't recommend running ceph instead of swift?17:03
notmynamescalability-junk: I've got a completely biased answer, but I think swift is better than ceph for object storage :-)17:04
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notmynamescalability-junk: I think that layering abstractions (object+file+block) leads to complexity and unintended consequences. when having a storage system that can focus on one, you get something that is better operationally and can solve a specific set of problems better17:05
scalability-junknotmyname, but sounds like it's better but for small setups having one stack doing 3 services instead of 3 stacks doing one each and for huge setups the complexity will grow having one stack instead of 3...?17:06
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065584 in swift "metadata shrinking below 254 increment could cause corruption" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106558417:06
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notmynamescalability-junk: actually, I'd argue that specialization is more important the larger you get (either in throughput/connections or in total space managed)17:06
scalability-junknotmyname, yeah that was my point or at least the one I was trying to say :)17:07
notmynamescalability-junk: as you get larger, you need to be able to tune your systems to the exact workload you have. and pain points will become more evident as you get larger and put more stress on your systems17:07
scalability-junksmaller - > one setup (ceph) easier | bigger - > 3 setup (swift etc.) easier.17:07
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notmynamescalability-junk: perhaps, but one of the things I am working on with swift is to make sure it works well in small setups too :-)17:08
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scalability-junknotmyname, how small? I doubt it's the small region were I for private projects are going for :)17:09
scalability-junk*-are +am17:09
notmynamescalability-junk: swift can work well with just a couple of machines and a few drives in each (something I see often in customer POCs where I work). and as the cluster grows, it's abilities grow too17:11
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scalability-junknotmyname, yeah my setup would be one server to start... :) so I'm not really trying to setup swift, wouldn't make too much sense with under 3 machines I reckon.17:12
scalability-junkespecially cause the one server should actually be a nova starting point :)17:12
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notmynamescalability-junk: I'd recommend starting with at least 3-5 drives to protect against a single drive failing, but one machine can work. you'll have higher CPU overhead on that box as opposed to having 2-3 different servers, but it can work17:13
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scalability-junkok so you would sort of use the drives as replication?17:14
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notmynamescalability-junk: swift would put each replica on a different drive. actually, it would even work with just one drive, but I wouldn't recommend that for anything beyond a "hey guys, watch this!" sort of toy example17:15
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scalability-junkcool to know, sounds actually great. easier to have 3-5 drives than have 3-5 machines with a few drives17:16
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notmynameI mean, the point of something like swift is to provide high durability by replicating the data 3 times. durability is kinda hard to get when it's all on the same drive17:16
scalability-junkso you are primarily involved in swift?17:16
scalability-junknotmyname, yeah true17:16
notmynamescalability-junk: ya, I'm the PTL for swift and have been involved with it since before openstack started17:16
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scalability-junkcool17:16
notmynamescalability-junk: any change you are in the SF Bay area? we're having a meetup in sunnyvale this afternoon about how swift works17:17
scalability-junkone question I asked myself was does a swift provider want to backup the data? and if yes how?17:17
scalability-junknotmyname, no munich, germany and here openstack meetups are a bit rare :P17:17
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gatuusnotmyname: are you going to record or post something about taht meeting??17:18
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notmynamescalability-junk: it's come up, but the answer generally is "swift already gives you backups because the data is replicated". in a lot of cases, swift is the backup target. beyond that, it's designed for availability and durability, so in a hand-wavey way, swift backs itself up with the durability guarantees it provides17:19
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notmynamegatuus: not live, but the content will be shared in a few places. most likely as blog posts on swiftstack's blog or in recorded talks we publish17:20
gatuusnotmyname: ohh... All right.. I'll look for it later.. thanx  =)17:21
scalability-junknotmyname, yeah sort of. but swift isn't providing versions of files for example or? so if someone deleted main_backup2 it will replicated the deletion and sort of eats up the backup through replication or?17:21
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notmynamescalability-junk: correct (beyond the optional 'versioned writes' feature swift has)17:22
scalability-junk*googling versioned writes'17:22
notmynamescalability-junk: let me find you the link17:23
notmynamescalability-junk: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/overview_object_versioning.html17:23
notmynamescalability-junk: basically, writes push onto the stack and deletes pop the stack17:23
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scalability-junksounds more like a backup solution17:25
scalability-junksounds actually really great.17:26
scalability-junkthanks for the link17:26
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gatuusHi.... Er.. With who can I see the use of an OpenStack Logo for commertial use??17:29
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larsksgatuus: Have you already seen http://www.openstack.org/brand/openstack-logo/?17:31
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gatuuslarsks: Yes.. but I think that... we are gonna need a commertial one.. :S17:32
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larsksgatuus: Okay.  Just checkin'17:33
scalability-junkdo I need a blockstorage with nova or is this actually just optional?17:33
notmynamegatuus: I'd talk to lauren sell17:33
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gatuusohhh ok.. maybe with him17:34
scalability-junkI could probably do most of the stuff with non persistent stuff, but I'm not sure if that's the best solution. having non persistent data would ensure easy failover between different openstack setups...17:34
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gatuusMaybe my boss can talk to him personally next week on the "Summit"?17:35
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gatuusgatuus: Is rubished... Lauren is she... :S :S17:38
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CardoeHaving an issue where cloud-init is failing when starting up on my VM17:40
notmynamegatuus: ya, I'd start with Lauren, but the right person will definitely be at the summit next week17:40
Cardoe2012-10-10 15:52:54,633 - util.py[WARNING]: 'http://169.254.169.254/2009-04-04/meta-data/instance-id' failed [50/120s]: url error [timed out]17:40
uvirtbotNew bug: #1065601 in horizon "no default templates for security rules" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106560117:41
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gatuusnotmyname: Ohh.. all right... Meet you there  =)17:42
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JayLeeHi, I tested create duplicated MAC Address for vif. I think if I insert same mac address, that will be failed. Bacause address is unique key.17:42
JayLeeBut My test code is print 'OK' Anyone review this? http://pastebin.com/w0qJyFYH17:42
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notmynamegatuus: it's going to be a fun, busy week17:43
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gatuusnotmyname: Yeah! very exciting!! =) but as you said, A lot of impresive work from all of you17:46
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anon12345how/where do u write tests?18:00
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scalability-junkhehe thanks again John for the help notmyname :P18:05
scalability-junkjust read a few great articles on the latest features and globally distributed swift clusters18:05
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065614 in keystone "Document APIs for PKI tokens" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106561418:15
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scalability-junkyeah found a great article which does outline the differences between ceph and swift... http://www.mirantis.com/blog/object-storage-openstack-cloud-swift-ceph/19:06
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065643 in swift "Statsd sample_rate busted" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106564319:11
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065650 in nova "could not add computeNode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106565019:16
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065671 in horizon "Make downloadable credentials visible from "Access & Security"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106567119:35
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scalability-junkwhat would be the preferred blockstorage backend for cinder? Something I could probably use one to a few servers later on. Is there a opensource one out there with replication to different disks and later machines? or any docs on how to achieve that best?19:40
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zynzelscalability-junk: this depends what you need.19:46
zynzelwe are using simple big boxes with raid 50 and lvm.19:46
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zynzelbut probably will migrate to the same boxes but with solaris zfs.19:46
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scalability-junkany backend system ceph or what else there is?19:47
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scalability-junkso you have linux + raid 50 + lvm with iscsi connector to cinder? or did I misunderstand it?19:47
scalability-junk@ zynzel19:47
zynzelscalability-junk: linux+raid50+lvm and 'cinder' on it.19:48
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zynzelwhich serve iscsi target to compute nodes19:48
scalability-junkah ok so cinder is a blockstorage "appliance" as itself ?19:49
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zynzelno, cinder is normal application.19:49
scalability-junkbut that doesn't provide replication except the raid?19:49
zynzelwhich can talk to lvm. ;)19:49
scalability-junkah ok19:49
zynzelscalability-junk: yeah, no replica19:50
zynzelso we migrate to zfs. :)19:50
scalability-junkso each big box has raid 50 + lvm and on cinder service on it.19:50
zynzelmaybe will try to use zfs send or other mechanism.19:50
scalability-junkkk19:50
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scalability-junkwhy not use a blockstorage programm which provides replication and node abstraction?19:51
* scalability-junk is still a bit new to all the concepts, sorry :)19:51
zynzelbecause of cloud :)19:51
szaydelzynzel: Avoid ZFS with raid controllers - bad mojo.19:51
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zynzelwe assume that we need cheap hardware.19:51
zynzelnormal servers19:51
zynzelszaydel: we now :)19:51
zynzelknow*19:51
zynzelsorry :)19:51
szaydelJust don't user RAID and you'll be fine. :)19:52
zynzelszaydel: we use zfs in production :)19:52
szaydelOn Linux?19:52
zynzelszaydel: openindiana19:52
scalability-junkszaydel, what would you use? as cinder backend?19:52
szaydelAhhh, OK.19:52
szaydelZFS is fine, just not on Linux yet. Too young.19:52
zynzelscalability-junk: and big great arrays with replication, migration and other great things are expensive.19:53
zynzelyou can use clvm, or drbd19:53
szaydelI am working on building a ZFS-centric Illumos OS right now.19:53
zynzelod ceph.19:53
zynzelbut we ned STABLE solution.19:53
szaydelCEPH is too young. Worked there, data loss == bad.19:53
zynzeland ceph? sorry no.19:53
scalability-junkok ceph == bad :)19:53
zynzeldrbd? no experience19:53
zynzelclvm no experience.19:53
szaydelOnly negative. ;)19:53
szaydelDRBD that is.19:53
szaydelMooseFS?19:54
zynzeldont know, so, no experience19:54
zynzel:D19:54
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szaydelI have only looked at it. On the surface seems good for large files.19:54
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zynzelbut you dont know what clients will be store on volumes.19:55
zynzelmaybe big filles.19:55
scalability-junkso no real solution to bundle cheap storage with software to provide blockstorage with replication...19:55
zynzelbut maybe 10**10 2kb files ;)19:55
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zynzelscalability-junk: we must know how our solution works, we should have any certainty that we dont loss data.19:56
zynzelso we use lvm/zfs :)19:56
szaydelLVM + ZFS sucks. LVM is slow, ZFS is already a layer of abstruction.19:57
zynzelszaydel: lvm or zfs.19:57
scalability-junkszaydel, it was more an or statement19:57
scalability-junkzynzel, yeah so for data loss prevention you use raid in lvm and with zfs you would replicate data to another node?19:57
szaydelSorry, I am not a fan of LVM.19:57
jdurginszaydel: scalability-junk: ceph's block layer is stable. it's the ceph filesystem that's not ready yet19:58
zynzelszaydel: we will use also 'raid50' on zfs.19:58
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zynzel+maybe replication to other node19:58
zynzelfor HA19:58
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szaydelWhat are you trying to achieve? Btw, there is no raid50 with ZFS. Do you mean striped RaidZ?19:58
zynzels/szaydel:/scalability-junk:/;19:58
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zynzelszaydel: i say 'raid50' not raid50.19:58
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ewindischimho - the only half-sane reason to use LVM+ZFS is if you're migrating from LVM to ZFS.19:59
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zynzelwtf :D19:59
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zynzelnobody want to use lvm with zfs19:59
zynzel:)19:59
szaydelewindisch: +119:59
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scalability-junkjdurgin, ok so using ceph blockstorage is sane... to use with folsom release mh sounds good19:59
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scalability-junkjdurgin, did I understand the concept right? sort of glusterfs with data replication to different nodes just served as blockstorage?20:00
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zynzeljdurgin: how long you use ceph? ;)20:00
zynzeland what do you mean 'stable'? you have production env with for example 20TB data on it? ;)20:00
szaydelBiggest problem with ZFS if it is not distributed, so SPOF is machine where pool resides. I am assuming that is what the main problem being discussed. No?20:01
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zynzelszaydel: if you have XX storage nodes, there are no spof.20:01
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jdurginscalability-junk: no, it's a bit different from that. http://ceph.com/community/more-than-an-object-store/ is a good overview20:01
zynzelif one node is down, you lose only small % of data.20:01
zynzeland always you can send data to other node.20:02
zynzelso you dont lost data, maybe you can not access data.20:02
zynzelbut no loss.20:02
szaydelzynzel: Yeah, if you have multiple. But they are not unified. I like to scale out and have some number of storage nodes serve some number of compute nodes.20:02
jdurginzynzel: I'm a ceph developer, some I'm biased, but plenty of folks have much larger than 20TB in production20:02
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szaydelMy company's clients are not always that sane! :)20:02
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szaydelJosh: What's the biggest you have seen?20:03
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scalability-junkjdurgin, thanks I'll look at it20:03
zynzeljdurgin: maybe after zfs test i also test ceph and drbd ;)20:04
zynzelbut not all in the same time :)20:04
jdurginszaydel: dreamobjects is a few petabytes20:04
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szaydelAs far as I am concerned CEPH is going to be the answer in the long term. If we can use ZFS underneath, I will be a very happy camper.20:04
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szaydelA few PB is pretty darn good. Across quite a few nodes, I am sure.20:05
jdurginszaydel: agreed, it would just need a integration to take advantage of zfs features20:05
szaydelI am more than happy to work on this with you. :)20:06
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scalability-junkjdurgin, what's the performance compared to using lvm or zfs?20:06
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scalability-junkjdurgin, so as I understand it you have the object storage stuff which could be replicated 3 times and the blockstorage-gateway will use these replicas to provide a block storage... so with a disk or node failure the block will still be there.20:07
jdurginscalability-junk: yeah, essentially... though there's no gateway - the vms would talk directly to the storage nodes20:08
jdurginperformance is generally good, though it depends on your workload of course20:08
szaydelSmall block IO is always an issue with systems where synchronization has to occur at low-latency across the wire. That's something to expect I think.20:09
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scalability-junkjdurgin, ok so when it is talking directly to the storage nodes how does it handle node failure? and wouldn't more replicates mean more bandwidth? like in swift for the objects stored?20:09
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jdurginyeah, although client-side caching help a lot there20:10
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jdurginscalability-junk: the storage servers handle replication and failures themselves20:10
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jdurgina node going down means the rest of the cluster will re-replicate the data stored there in parallel (while staying available)20:11
scalability-junkso you balance all requests between all storage nodes, if one goes down you kill requests to this one?20:11
scalability-junkin swift the proxy node is doing that in ceph it's similar?20:12
jdurginthere's no proxy in ceph, the client side has all the smarts needed20:12
jdurginso e.g. qemu use's ceph's librbd to handle interacting with the cluster20:13
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scalability-junkah ok so the clientside is sort of part of the logic in ceph20:13
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zynzeljdurgin: you have any good tech documentation about ceph? not simple 'how to use ceph'20:13
zynzelbut docs about how it really works?20:13
scalability-junkso each nova node would be handling the smarter part (proxy like and caching part) for ceph20:14
scalability-junkzynzel, +120:14
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Dieterbezynzel: there's a tech paper written by sage weil20:14
Dieterbefor his phd20:14
Dieterbei've read it20:14
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jdurginyeah, sage's papers are the best for a deep understanding20:14
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jdurginhttp://ceph.com/resources/publications/20:15
scalability-junkjdurgin, just to get a general understanding before diving into the paper.20:15
jdurginthe rados one in particular20:15
zynzeljdurgin: thx20:15
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scalability-junkcinder -> ceph logic (on nova node) -> ceph storage20:15
scalability-junkand replication doesn't increase throughput?20:16
jdurginscalability-junk: yeah, cinder is just managing the block devices, and telling nova how to configure libvirt to access them20:16
scalability-junkkk20:17
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jdurginscalability-junk: you can have a separate network for replication traffic between your storage nodes20:17
scalability-junkread about that so that you can limit the bandwidth used for replication... or?20:17
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jdurginscalability-junk: clients just write to the first replica, and it writes to others in the cluster before responding back to the client20:17
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jdurginso replication can be separated from client access20:18
scalability-junkok so write is limited to the throughput of the first successful write. what about reads? faster with 5 replicas?20:19
scalability-junkor isn't ceph that smart ;)20:19
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jdurginreads always go to the primary for consistency20:19
Dieterbeguys maybe you should take this to #ceph20:20
Dieterbeor no wait, ignore me20:20
zynzeljdurgin: one question, ceph is 'object store'20:20
Dieterbezynzel: no20:21
zynzelwe can use any form of snapshot and function 'volume from snapshot'?20:21
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jdurginyou can snapshot block devices, and clone new ones from snapshots (with ceph 0.52)20:22
scalability-junkjdurgin, ok so ceph is sort of a master slave setup? all writes go to the master ?nodes? and replicas go to slaves. reads are handled from all?20:22
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jdurginscalability-junk: objects are hashed into placement groups, which get mapped to storage servers (osds) deterministically. reads and writes go through the first osd (the primary) since ceph's focus is strong consistency20:24
jdurginscalability-junk: the block device is striped across many objects, so operations on it will go to many osds20:25
jdurginscalability-junk: the 'load balancing' is handled more by the pseudo-random data placement than by reading from replicas20:25
zynzeljdurgin: maybe you know if anybody try to distribute ceph cluster between many DCs? (10gbit link, XXX miles)20:26
jdurginscalability-junk: this works better for the page cache on the storage nodes as well20:26
jdurginzynzel: yes, but it's only a good idea right now if you have low latency between them20:26
zynzellow latensy? 6ms? 10ms? 1s? ;)20:26
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scalability-junkjdurgin, so having two not privately linked dcs would be really bad for ceph20:29
jdurgingenerally in the low ms range, but it depends on how latency-sensitive your application is20:29
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zynzeljdurgin: i ask because we need storage for glance images20:29
jdurginscalability-junk: right now yes20:29
zynzelsynchronized between DCs20:29
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scalability-junkjdurgin, anyway to have a offsite like replica in a dc so that it sort of is only a backup instead of a to the second consistent replica?20:30
zynzeljdurgin: on monday i will try to setup ceph, you've convienced me ;)20:31
zynzellooks good.20:31
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065702 in nova "After folsom upgrade, instances can no longer access existing volumes." [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106570220:31
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* scalability-junk is a bit confused why he should setup swift if the object storage is there anyway for block storage :P20:32
Dieterbescalability-junk: i think eventually swift will cease to exist because ceph will just overtake20:33
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scalability-junkDieterbe, but I finally liked the ring hashing idea :)20:34
alopSpeaking of storageā€¦ I can't find any "fresh" Cinder docs. I see "MigrateToCinder" but it assumes I have volume already.20:34
alopIs there a "start fresh" doc somewhere?20:34
jdurginscalability-junk: async replication is on the ceph roadmap, but it's a ways off20:34
zynzelalop: dunno, but try to search docs for nova-volume20:34
Dieterbealop: what's cinder?20:34
zynzelcinder in folsom is nova-volume ;)20:34
zynzelmaybe you will have little problems, but imho only little. ;)20:35
jdurginscalability-junk: look at the crush paper20:35
alopzynzel: good idea20:35
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scalability-junkjdurgin, what's the minimal setup you would recommend for ceph?20:35
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Dieterbescalability-junk: despite what the ceph guys say, crush and the swift replica finder are not conceptually verify different. they are both data-driven algorithms that generate an address given a certain object name and cluster topology20:36
scalability-junkDieterbe, sounds promising20:36
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jdurginscalability-junk: one node is fine for learning, but it depends on your use case and what kind of workload you have20:37
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scalability-junkjdurgin, I want to use it for "production" most failover, backup and consistency stuff will be handled on "cloud control" level so it should be alright if it fails for an hour... and should be able to span more nodes easily. workload is probably pretty load. 100mbit/s to 1gbit/s network so io shouldn't be too high. comparable with 70-80% baremetal + lvm io20:40
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jdurginnetwork is likely to be your bottleneck there (saturating 1gb isn't hard with a bunch of disks)20:43
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ev0ldaveanyone experience issues with instances just losing their IPs?20:44
scalability-junkprobably 2 disks per node with 1gbit/s network and perhaps 1gbit/s replication later on20:44
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scalability-junkany roadmap for ceph and timeframe for async replication?20:51
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scalability-junkjdurgin, thanks for all the help will look into the detailed papers and perhaps will come back when I get down to my "production" installation20:58
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jdurginscalability-junk: stop by #ceph when you do21:00
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jdurginscalability-junk: sounds like that hardware is ok for your use case21:00
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scalability-junkwhat do you mean with hardware is ok for my use case?21:01
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jdurginscalability-junk: the 2 disks/node and 1gb network you mentioned21:02
scalability-junkah great21:03
jdurginit won't be incredibly high performance, but it doesn't sound like you're looking for that21:03
scalability-junkif I need high performance I could add another 2-4 disks per node and enable 2x10gb :P21:04
zykes-any cool discussions ?21:04
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jdurginscalability-junk: exactly21:05
scalability-junkfor now the focus is on resounable resources and performance for one node with first 2 node setup and after that increasing performance if needed :) or at least that was the plan21:05
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065726 in horizon "Folsom 2012.2 - Image Upload Worked - Doesn't show up on images/snapshots page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106572621:11
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065728 in nova "Provide instrumentation for lock contention" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106572821:20
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BillakosHi everyone, I have the following question:21:34
BillakosI have 1 controller+compute and 1 compute node with Diablo (but could upgrade if necessary).21:34
BillakosI would just like to have Quantum open a virtual port in the openVswitch of the remote compute node.21:34
BillakosIdeally, if I could execute the following command on OVS remotely to create a "my_vport" I would be almost done!21:34
Billakosovs-vsctl add-port br0 lmn0 -- set interface lmn0 type=lmn options:remote_ip=<ip address of destination>21:34
BillakosIs this possible?21:34
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065741 in openstack-manuals "Drop down examples not working for api.openstack.org with 1.5.0 clouddoctools plugin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106574121:51
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rootardI rebooted a compute host and the instances it was running are gone but still listed via 'nova list'. nova delete doesn't want to get rid of them, is there a way to flush these without interacting directly with the mysql db?21:56
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rootard(I'm running essex as packaged under Debian testing)21:57
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ev0ldaverootard, can you boot them via libvirt?22:00
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ev0ldavealso, make sure libvirt-bin service is running22:01
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ev0ldavevirsh start instance-00000xxx22:01
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rootardev0ldave: trying but I need to create the appropriate tap interface by hand first I think...22:11
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rootardIt is still in the deleting state but nothing is happenning... both VMs are running22:15
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rootardI should mention, there is a volume in the same state...22:17
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ev0ldavewell, i would handle at the DB level and use virsh to shutdown the instances and terminate22:20
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norris900anyone alive out there ?22:24
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norris900I have a problem with quantum, its returning error 111 when i try and connect22:25
norris900quantum server wont come up :(22:25
norris900i cant even find logs that will tell me why its refusing my connection22:26
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anon12345what's a swift uri?22:30
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rootardev0ldave: thanks.22:33
rootardnorris900: have you tried running quantum-server in the foreground?22:34
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norris900rootard how do i run it in the foreground ?22:34
rootardjust run "quantum-server" from the CLI?22:35
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norris900oh ok thats what i have been trying, it starts and stops/waits as fast as i can re-run service quantum-server status22:36
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norris900i try watching /var/logs/quantum/server but nothing is showing22:36
rootarddo you have verbose = True and debug = True in quantum.conf?22:37
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norris900yup both true22:38
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rootardI dunno then, sorry. Whenever I've had issues with it I've had a useful error by invoking quantum-server directly (no service...)22:39
norris900i tried bad login details and it reports they are wrong22:39
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norris900i just cant figure out why its refusing when it doesnt roport they are incorrect22:40
rootardIt's exiting right away though?22:40
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norris900instantly as far as i can figure22:40
rootardare you using a sqlite db? if so, does it have access to write to the file?22:41
norris900nope mysql22:42
rootardalso, you might try and strace it to see when (approximately) it dies.22:42
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norris900it connects the database fine22:42
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rootardthe mysql db is different than the nova db, right? (They can be on the same host but they can't share the same "database")22:42
ev0ldavenorris900: can you paste the output to paste.openstack.org when you run it from cli?22:43
norris900seperate databases22:43
norris900same host22:43
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norris900paste.openstack.org/show/2164922:48
norris900sorry that took so long22:50
rootardnorris900: try just "quantum-server" not "service quantum-server start"22:51
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norris900ooooh helpful errors, thank you. Unexpected continuation line: rabbit_host22:53
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norris900problem caused by a space " " infront of the line, never considered an empty character space could be an issue23:00
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norris900thanks23:00
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rootardnorris900: no problem. Getting to the errors can be the hard part sometimes :)23:00
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scalability-junkwhy is it recommended to run two 1 GB NICs on the minimal infrastructure? http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/compute-system-requirements.html23:03
scalability-junkone to talk to the cloudcontroller and one to talk to the outside?23:03
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norris900what about when you all your nodes and controller are idependently connected to a network through bonded interfaces23:06
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norris900my network config is a little complicated :(23:07
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rootardnorris900: that's what I am trying to figure out too. I've been told quantum+open vswitch can handle this23:07
norris900i'll let you know as soon as i have quantum running23:07
ev0ldavescalability-junk:  dedicated management interface means traffic issues with instances and outside world will not effect your ability to manage23:08
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ev0ldaveit's just good practice to keep those things separated23:08
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ev0ldaveespecially when you are scaling up in a production environment, you dont want message queues junking up your customer network23:09
scalability-junkok but when starting with a one node setup, I have internal nics?23:09
scalability-junkok true23:09
scalability-junkbut wouldn't it be enough to have 100MB for management and 1GB for customer23:09
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ev0ldavein a vlan sure, but you might as well call that 2 interfaces23:09
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ev0ldavealso, when you do volume stores over iscsi, you will need that speed23:10
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ev0ldavein which case 100 meg shared with rabbit, iscsi.  wont be pretty23:11
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scalability-junkah ok so the costumer facing 1GB is really just out and incoming traffic and the management is iscsi traffic too great23:13
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065756 in openstack-ci "bug link from gerrit is inconsistent" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106575623:26
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1065758 in glance "No exclude option to skip tests in run_tests.sh" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106575823:41
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koolhead17zykes-, around23:45
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atriusanyone why nova-volume would insist on looking for nova-volumes even after i've set the configuration to use RBD?23:51
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norris900can anyone tell me why my cat only sits on my keyboard when im working on openstack23:52
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atriusnorris900: it's either because it hates openstack or because it loves it23:53
rootardnorris900: because you have a cat.23:53
atriusalso this ^^23:53
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norris900i think its jelous of my love for openstack23:53
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norris900whats in your nova.conf atrius?23:55
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atriusnorris900: various things :) but in particular i have volume_driver=nova.volume.driver.RBDDriver and rbd_pool=volumes23:56
atriusthere is no other reference to volume_driver that isn't commented out23:56
atriushttp://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/rados.html <-- i got the settings from there, more or less23:57
norris900my guess is its not connecting to the RBD and defaulting to nova volumes23:57
atriusnorris900: that sounds reasonable.. let me check on that23:58
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norris900i had similar problems when i screwed up cinder23:58
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