Wednesday, 2012-10-24

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namidarkcburgess: what do i need to setup so they grab IP's from my DHCP server?00:02
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cburgessnamidark: The nova-network process should bring up dnsmasq processes to hand out fixed ip addresses to the instances. I would look at the nova-network logs and see if there is a problem with nova-network starting or dnsmasq starting00:02
namidarkcburgess: they do get internal IP's fine - I can ssh to them from the host, but i need to assign them network accessible IPs00:03
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cburgessnamidark: I should have first ask, what version of openstack are you using?00:04
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namidarkcburgess: :*( i killed it haha will have to fix my nic rq00:11
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namidarkcburgess: where can i see the version?>00:41
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cburgessnamidark: How did you install openstack?00:55
namidarkwith the stack geek scripts00:55
namidarkI think I borked something :\ I modified the nova conf to the settings I thought it should be and it took down that router I had infront of it :|00:55
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cburgessnamidark: OK so stack geek looks like it is based on Essex so you would be using nova-network in all probality.  So using the horizon dashboard you should be able to assoicate a floating IP to a VM. nova-network will then bring that IP up on the node its running on.01:00
namidarkcburgess: will it make that request over dhcp for a network accessible IP?01:01
cburgessNo01:01
uvirtbotNew bug: #1070621 in swift "The wrong note in swift/common/ring/utils.py" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107062101:01
cburgessnamidark: The request to add the floating Ip will bring that IP up on the nova-network node and then modify iptables on the nova-netowrk node to NAT requests to the fixed ip of the vm.01:02
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namidarkso what part broadcasts to say 'i have this ip'?01:03
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cburgessnamidark: Thats part of bringing up the IP on the nova-network node.01:12
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namidarkah so when I add it to nova network, NN should be making the request/broadcast to say I have an IP?01:14
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cburgessnamidark: The nova-network node will use the ip addr command to bring up the IP address. Part of that process is an ARP. Its nothing special, just the way linux brings up IPs01:15
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namidarkyeah i managed to boradcast storm myself haha01:23
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namidarkcburgess: it worked! :)01:25
uvirtbotNew bug: #1070630 in ubuntu "glance-manage does not read configuration correctly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107063001:25
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namidarkcburgess: thanks for the network explanation :) That's my weakest area01:26
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cburgessnamidark: No problem01:30
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dubsquared-_-01:46
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1070637 in keystone "create tokens scoped to endpoints" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107063702:11
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agwaticI was about to fix this bug02:34
agwatichttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/92545602:34
agwaticbut I don't know where to find what he was talking about02:34
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agwaticwhere to find this bug in the source code https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/92545602:37
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1070649 in cinder "Inconsistency for the iscsi targets using ietadm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107064903:06
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livemoonhi, morning03:24
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1070658 in nova "VM provisioning failure on Hyper-V driver" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107065803:51
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omenargood night(?) to everyone!!!04:17
omenaris anyone in there?04:18
omenarI have a question... :S04:18
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omenarI'm trying to setup a computer node to my existing openstack deployment04:18
omenarthe existing deployment is in the network segment 10.14.22.X, and the new computer node is in the network segment 200.1.29.X04:19
omenarso my question is, can I add a computer node that is in a different network segment? or I need to wait to the Cell implementation in GRizzly?04:20
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omenarcomute node* (sorry... i'm sleepy)04:22
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omenarcompute node* (hahahaha)04:24
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omenarOr shall I use a "region" approach?04:29
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lifelessomenar: I suggest sleeping, if you're tired :)04:58
lifelessomenar: we'll  be here tomorrow04:58
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omenarI'm breaking my brain with this... sleeping is not an option right now :(04:59
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omenarI will take your advise, lifeless... I'm going to sleep! see ya!05:09
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pithagorianshi all. want to build a public cloud service on openstack. how ready is it for production? "production" - reliable stability enough to sell to customers05:33
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livemoonhi, who konws quantum well? I have some question to ask05:59
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JoeJulianI just discovered swift uses eventlet and eventlet doesn't support ipv6. :(06:04
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koolhead17JoeJulian, mailing list is your friend ask/shoot your question/concerns there06:13
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JoeJulianmeh, there's not really any point. I was just disappointed when my new swift object store was refusing connection. There's not really anything that can be done from the openstack side of things until ipv6 support is added to eventlet.06:20
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funda1vm is not reflecting as  running state  from nova vm list and from horizon. i'musing folsom. anyone please help06:47
funda1please help06:49
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funda1any idea guys?06:53
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funda1 VMs stuck in the spawn/BUILD phase . please help06:58
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melmothfunda1,  have a look in nova-compute.log, if nothing is in there, try libvirtd.log07:06
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funda1thanks melmoth. couldn't find anything in compute log, looking in libvirtd log07:08
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funda1melmoth getting  open("/var/run/libvirt/network/nwfilter.ltmp"): No such file or directory07:17
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melmothdoes not ring any bell here.07:19
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melmothanybody using quantum ? i have my vms ip existing on some namespace on the gateway node all right.07:56
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melmothbut i would need to be able to route things from/to there , from the main gateway namespace, and i have no real idea how htis can work.07:56
melmothso, may be i did some config wrong to have those ip only available in one namespace, or i am missing something important.07:57
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troyahi all08:18
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troyaanyone here ?08:29
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troyamy machine is not kvm support08:29
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troyai can;t find vmx or svm on /proc/cpuinfo08:31
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notzebuy a new cpu08:37
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melmothor use lxc ?08:37
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troyanotze :)08:41
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troyais another missing configuration maybe ?08:42
troyai've checked on bios, but i don't see virtualization menu inside it08:42
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troyahow about image ? any different image between kvm or qemu?08:56
troyai use ubuntu clouding image08:56
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itarchitectkevmorning folks08:58
itarchitectkevhow are we all?08:58
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troyahi itarchitectkev08:58
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itarchitectkevhi troya, you having HVM issues?08:59
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troyayes, i've hvm issue.are you have some experience for this ?08:59
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troyaitarchitectkev:any suggesstion for my problem ?09:04
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itarchitectkevtroya, what is your hardware and operating system?09:05
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troyai'm run on ubuntu 12.0409:05
troyawhat do you mean hardware ? how i can check this ?09:05
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1068110 in devstack "boot_from_volume fails to download cirros rootfs" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106811009:06
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itarchitectkevtroya "cat /proc/cpuinfo"09:08
itarchitectkevwhat is the cpu?09:09
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1068674 in keystone "Redo part of bp/sql-identiy-pam undone by bug 968519" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106867409:22
troyaitarchitectkev: my machine already running instance09:24
troya:)09:24
troyahttp://blog.incase.de/index.php/cpu-feature-flags-and-their-meanings/09:24
troyamy cpu is amd, so vmx can't find here.vmx is for intel09:24
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RealNitrois there a way to use floating IP addresses from, say, a 10.101.0.0/16 range, but limited to the scope of 10.101.102.0/24?09:37
RealNitroI don't want any addresses of existing servers in my network being assigned to VMs09:38
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melmothRealNitro, i use some "fake" mask when creating the floating ip such as 10.101.102.0/2409:39
melmothand the first one will be 10.101.102.109:39
melmothanother option is to create floatin ip individually09:39
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RealNitroI've been trying to use the /24, but it doesn't work for some reason09:40
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RealNitroI'll give it another try09:41
troyaanyone here ubuntu qemu image  ?09:43
troyaanyone here have ubuntu qemu image  ?09:43
troyai'm running on qemu virtualization now. but i ubuntu clouding image can;t running on my mine.i need qemu image09:44
troyaanyone here have it ?09:44
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ttxdims: would rather solve bug 1056213 once and for all09:49
uvirtbotNew bug: #1070752 in horizon "Dashboard usability issue. An empty Instance log populated with a question mark. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107075209:51
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itarchitectkevtroya - can you specify exactly what the cpu is - not all chips are the same.09:55
itarchitectkevtroya - run the command "cat /proc/cpuinfo" and it will tell me what I need to know to help you09:55
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troyathis is output of cpuinfo > http://pastebin.com/X1DqWMfJ09:57
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itarchitectkevtroya, that chip doesn't support amd-v (hardware vt)10:02
itarchitectkevtroya http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-Dual-Core%20Opteron%20285%20-%20OSA285FAA6CB%20(OSA285CBBOX%20-%20OSA285CBWOF).html10:02
itarchitectkevtroya the ubutnu image should work regardless unless you have downloaded some xen image instead10:03
itarchitectkevI run openstack under virtualbox which (on my hardware without nested hardware vt) means I have to run qemu10:04
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1070761 in quantum "dhcp agent can not receive port notifications to process task when use qpid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107076110:06
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melmothanyone having a quantum thingy working ? I m puzzled with 1) namespaces and 2) metadata serveur iptables rules10:47
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zykes-Kiall: are you here ?10:53
Kiallzykes-, nope!10:53
Kiall;)10:53
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Kiallzykes-, whats up?10:55
zykes-Kiall: i'm trying to make a service after some of the same code you've got, mainly the launcher.wait() section in your bin files, but the only thing that happens here is: "Creating Consumer connection for Service central start" and it exists10:55
zykes-ehm, exits10:55
Kiallzykes-, are you using the stock OS-Common files, or did you copy mine? ;)10:56
KiallI have a WIP applied in moniker and up on gerrit that fixes that10:56
Kialla WIP patch*10:56
zykes-new copy of the os common master branch10:56
zykes-hmm k10:56
Kiallhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/13953/10:56
zykes-basically trying to put together a simple chargeback service10:57
KiallI havent had time to write tests for it, so havent tried to get it merged yet10:57
Kiallif you cherry-pick that into your OS-Common clone, and re-update it should work for you10:57
zykes-did you have some code for powerdns btw?10:58
KiallI do - But it's not my code to share ..10:59
zykes-oh ;p10:59
zykes-tied in to customer stuff or ?11:00
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KiallYup - tied in, and mostly written by them too.11:00
KiallEven if I untie it, I won't be able to release it/11:00
Kiallit*11:00
zykes-ok ;p11:00
zykes-but you where able to release moniker ? ;)11:01
KiallI wrote moniker ;)11:01
zykes-hehe ;p11:01
zykes-but they wrote the agent code for pdns ?11:01
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KiallThe powerDNS code was based on some .. poor..  attempt at DNSaaS they made in-house.11:01
zykes-ah11:01
KiallThe pDNS stuff worked great though - so I just re-factored it until it looked like an Agent11:02
zykes-I was thinking of adding support for "storage" drivers like in ceilometer for moniker11:02
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KiallIt (mostly) has that already - as I've mentioned before..11:02
zykes-meaning you can do like impl_sqlalchemy, impl_mongodb11:02
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KiallLiterally just 1 method is stubbed out and it supports that11:02
zykes-yeh, but would be nice to align with ceilometer11:03
zykes-so things start to look alike11:03
KiallRight - They do it that part right IMO :)11:04
Kiall(eg using entry-points, in their case, via the stevedore library)11:04
zykes-a bad way ?11:04
Kiallheh - let me re-write that sentence so it makes sense ;)11:04
KiallRight - They do that part the right way IMO :)11:05
Kiall(eg using entry-points, in their case, via the stevedore library)11:05
zykes-would you want that in moniker or ?11:05
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KiallYup - I've `pip installed stevedore` several times already, and kept getting distracted by other stuff before actually writing it!11:06
zykes-:p11:06
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radishhi there, nova (folsom on ubuntu 12.04 using ubuntu cloud archive) fails to initialize its database in mysql: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1302204/ does anyone have a clue about this?11:07
Kiallzykes-, BTW, if you feel like forking and adding that, I'd be happy to merge it11:09
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* Kiall gets back to work!11:09
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1070785 in quantum "Two grammar mistakes in OPENSTACK QUANTUM ADMINISTRATION GUIDE  document. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107078511:16
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sorenradish: Yeah.11:42
sorenradish: That's because your DB was created as utf-8.11:42
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melmothradish https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/99366311:43
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radishsoren, melmoth are you sure it's not related to the fact that I used InnoDB which has a prefix limitation of 767bytes?11:44
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melmothyes, it s the same stuff11:45
melmothstring in utf8 takes more place than in latin.11:45
melmothso, more chance to hit the innodb limit with it.11:45
melmothnow, what i dont understand is, bug 993663 is marked as fix, i just dont understadn how to tell if your version of nova has the fix or not11:46
radishmelmoth: my version is 2012.2-0ubuntu3~cloud0 so it should be fixed11:47
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melmothlook in the python-migrate script ? just to check if it s using utf8 or latin when creating this table ?11:49
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radishmelmoth: it's there, but commendted out everywhere (so no mysql_charset specified, mind that my default charset in my.cnf is utf-8) except for cells = Table('cells', meta11:54
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melmothso, either switch to latin for default, or drop innodb ?11:57
radishmelmoth: the easiest way would be 'mysqldump --default-character-set=latin1 -u root -p password nova > nova.sql' and re-import this dump back, wouldn't it?11:59
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melmothnot sure, my mysql-fu is not good enough to tell on top of my head.12:00
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melmothbut it sound slike worth a try12:01
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ThiagoCMCHi! Sorry about newbie question: can I use OpenStack without Keystone?12:11
melmothyes you can.12:11
melmothbut do you want to ? :)12:11
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semtexhidiho mates :)12:12
ThiagoCMCHave no idea... I lost a week of work trying MaaS + Juju, but I give up, too much bugs... Now is time to learn and install openstack...12:13
melmothit s actually easier with maas and juju i think.12:14
melmothbut you ll understand more thing if you do it by hand.12:14
semtexIs here anybody who has a running quantum with l3-agent, dhcp-agent and linuxbridge plugins ?12:15
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ThiagoCMCmelmoth, I opened 4 BUGs in three days of "MaaS + Juju" work, it is useless. Serious, I is not ready yet. Maybe when Ubuntu 13.04 come...12:17
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ThiagoCMCAnyway, now I'll stay here with you guys for a few days...  ehheeh  =P12:17
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martinsbalodisHi. I cannot find a way to start nova-network with XenAPIOpenVswitchDriver and vlans. In the code it seems that there is nothing about vlans.12:24
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radishmelmoth: it seems to be running now, allthough I would have another question =) Should I use the exact same nova.conf amongst my two systems, even if  for example my controller node won't ever need compute?12:31
melmothmy experience is, having config option on a node that is not going to use them does not hurt12:31
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melmothusually i have exactly the same nova.conf on the controller node and all computes ones.12:32
melmothexcept when i did play with vnc (then each compute node had a specifc entry with their ip on the static network in it)12:32
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ThiagoCMCJust a curiosity: OpenStack "will add / already have" support for SPICE?12:48
ThiagoCMCAnother: OpenStack will add support for virtual machines with GPUs through IOMMU?  I'm playing a bit with my Radeon 7970 within KVM... It is almost done!12:49
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RealNitroI added a floating IP, and openstack configures the DNAT-ing correctly in iptables, but later, in the forward chain, the package is dropped because it's not coming from the internal network...13:08
radishmelmoth: regarding networking, the pool you create with nova-manage network create private x.x.x.x is only working internally, so it won't touch the existing network? (I could create a class B/A network, allthough the systems are in a class C network?)13:08
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melmothradish, not sure i understand the question clearly. With nova-network, i use a floating ip network wich is actually a sub division of the net the real nodes are on13:09
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radishmelmoth: see https://blog.hpcloud.com/setting-single-node-openstack-nova-server section configuring nova network, for example. First they set a range of private ip-addresses and then a set on floating IPs, stating that only the floating IPs need to be real addresses on the network13:11
RealNitrothat's what I'm trying atm aswell :)13:13
melmothRealNitro,  the source ip is set according to nova.conf routing_source_ip13:13
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melmothradish, the static ip is on any network you like, it s used in a bridge for all vms to be able to communicate with each others13:14
melmoththe floating ip are on the same network as the public interface of your nodes running nova-network.13:14
RealNitromelmoth: that key is not in my nova.conf, I'll look into adding it13:14
melmothRealNitro, by defailt it s the local ip (on the publc network) of the compute node (i think)13:15
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radishmelmoth: public meaning public as in not a private ip (internet routable) or public as in can accessed from machines outside the cloud, even if it's only over LAN using private IPs?13:15
melmothsecond option13:16
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melmothmy usual public network is a 192.168.*.*13:16
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radishmelmoth: but cou could also assign real public IPs? (read about two IPs per VM, one private, one public)13:20
melmoththe floating one is the one machine outside of the cloud will have access to13:21
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melmothit s nova-network's job to make all the needed nating13:21
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jproulxAny cinder folks here?  Trying to move from nova-volume -> cinder using LVM backend, on 'cinder create' lv gets created but iscsi target creationn fails (same system was properly running nova-volume earlier)13:48
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radishmelmoth: do you have experienc with this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-novaclient/+bug/1020238 the no cache option doesn't seem to work14:00
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melmothactually, yes.14:00
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melmothtry export OS_NO_CACHE=114:01
RealNitromelmoth: my issue was that I didn't have any security group rules14:01
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RealNitroI added one for 22:22 0.0.0.0/0 and now things work14:01
jgriffithjproulx: I suspect it's the tgtadm changes14:03
jgriffithjproulx: Can you pastebin your cinder-volume log?14:03
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jproulxjgriffith: that sounds likely http://pastebin.com/h7E7DJU314:05
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jgriffithjproulx: Wasn't seeing the error mesg I hoped for but....14:07
jgriffithjproulx: Can you do a restart on tgtd14:08
jgriffithjproulx: Then take a look at what you have in /etc/tgt/conf.d/cinder.conf ?14:08
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jproulxjgriffith: I'm guessing not having a  /etc/tgt/conf.d/cinder.conf (but still having a nova_tgt.conf there) is likey my issue!14:11
jgriffithjproulx: so what I was looking for was an error relating to the volumes_dir14:11
jgriffithjproulx: ahhhh14:11
jproulx(maybe) I'm honestly not too familiar with linux as an iscsi target14:11
jgriffithjproulx: Let's try making the cinder.conf file, and see where we get14:12
jgriffithjproulx: You're nova-vol version was running Folsom correct?14:12
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jproulxjgriffith: yes ugraded to folsom with nova-volume first (& ran a couple days OK)14:12
jgriffithjproulx: NM, having the targets file answers that :)14:13
jgriffithjproulx: Ok, let's try adding the cinder.conf file (make sure the contents are correct obviously), restart tgtd and then we'll go from there14:13
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1070857 in ceilometer "set default source to something meaningful" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107085714:21
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jproulxjgriffith: creation works, thanks.14:23
jgriffithjproulx: Excellent!14:23
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jproulxjgriffith is attachment still through 'nova volume-attach"? as that seems to be my next problem :)14:24
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jgriffithjproulx: yes it is still nova volume-attach14:28
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radishdoes anyone know, how I can use local storage for the compute node (it should its own local hdd as storage)?14:35
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gmiradish: the instance have their disks stored in "/var/lib/nova/instances", so if you mount that location on a local filesystem, you are using local storage14:37
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radishgmi: do I need something special for taking snapshots?14:39
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EmilienMis somebody here who runs nova-volume (Essex) on each nova-compute node ?14:41
EmilienMif not, how do you perform clean HA for block storage ?14:41
Daniel_IIFrom "traditional" vitualization ... to openstack way. Some openstack especialist to talk about.14:42
gmiradish: I believe you need space in "/tmp" because that's where the snapshots are stored before being uploaded to Glance, but you can change that location14:42
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fm255005is it possible to migrate an instance from one tenant to another14:43
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gmiEmilienM: running nova-volume on each nova-compute node is risky; you can have the instance and its attached volume sitting on the same disk sub-system which means total failure when the disk(s) crash14:44
jproulxjgriffith: looks like I'm missing some plumbing beteen nova and cinder, nova volume-attach hangs and I don't see anyhting in the cinder-api logs.  My first guess is I need to specify volume_service=<something> in nova.conf but not sure if that's it or what to put there...14:44
gmiEmilienM: what do you mean by "clean HA for block storage" ?14:44
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jgriffithjproulx: do you have this in your nova.conf: volume_api_class=nova.volume.cinder.API14:45
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jgriffithjgriffith: That should be the only mention of volume in nova.conf14:46
EmilienMgmi: I'm looking for a way in nova-volume (Essex) to run iSCSI target HA14:46
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alex88hi guys, someone tried the lvm storage in folsom? can the same lvm used for volumes?14:46
Daniel_IIHi gmi, just yesterday problem I can confirm to you it's a DHCP problem. I've connected via VNC and see  that instances has not IP. Althoug nova-list says that have private and public ips. (Continue without work) .. buts14:46
EmilienMI know it's not possible to run NV on two nodes active / passive because of DB table related to hostname14:46
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EmilienMbut I would like to know if someone runs it on compute node14:46
EmilienMwith separated storage of course :)14:47
Daniel_III come from traditional virtualization. Each VM instances persists their data.14:48
ThiagoCMCEmilienM, what about this: http://ceph.com/docs/master/rbd/rbd-openstack/ (Folsom)...14:48
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Daniel_III need to clear some openstack concepts ... anyone to talk aboout?14:48
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larsksDaniel_II: Maybe just ask your questions and see if people can answer.14:50
gmiEmilienM: I think you can run nova-volume on each nova-compute node and the volume will be created randomly (if using the volume_scheduler_driver=nova.scheduler.chance.ChanceScheduler ) on any of the nova-volume running servers that are registered in RabbitMQ14:50
Daniel_IIAs faar I understood on whe you launch an instance from "cloud" glance image you are inyecting instance VM params and creatirng a epheeral device14:50
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larsksThat is generally correct, yes.14:51
coredump|brguys14:51
EmilienMgmi: I want that : mount a volume to a VM hosted on the same compute & volume :)14:51
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larsksDaniel_II: You can preserve instance data by creating a snapshot of the instance (or by using a persistent volume).14:52
coredump|brI am using folsom from the ubuntu repo. The installation guide on docs.openst... kinda have some wrong configurations (like rootwrap_config wasn't there). Anyone has a working folsom nova.conf that I can take a look?14:52
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Daniel_IIIf you want a "traditional" VM instance where persists your own machine setup (applications/services/etc...), you need to SNAPSHOT converting it in a "unique" own instance.14:53
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Daniel_IIlarsks: ok (sorry just writting)14:53
jproulxDaniel_II: for a "traditional" VM you need to boot from volume14:54
radishgmi: another question, according to http://wiki.debian.org/OpenStackHowto/Folsom compute nodes need the following packages: nova-compute nova-api nova-network nova-cert is this correct, or is only nova-compute needed?14:54
jproulxDaniel_II: snapshots give you a point in time snap you cna boot from bot won't continue to persist changes after that point in time14:55
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Daniel_IIThen the launching "live/cloud image" ... what is the advantage, which is the purpose????    Have a quick installation SO procedure???  or something else?14:57
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coredump|brwhen you guys say ephemeral you only mean that once you terminate the instance you lose the root volume right? You can still stop/start it again without losing stuff like amazon14:59
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1070880 in nova "Ability to specify a host using --availability_zone is restricted to admin context" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107088015:01
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Daniel_IIAs faar I understoold you lost all your configurations if you don snapshot the VM or attach to nova-volume15:01
jproulxhttp://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/images-and-instances.html shows what stays and what goes15:01
gmiEmilienM: for a highly available Nova-Volume service, I believe Nexenta has a HA solution and Netapp has probably something similar; if you want a free-solution, you can probably use two servers with fast local storage clustered together in an active/passive setup using DRBD/Corync/Pacemaker15:01
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jproulxDaniel_II my useage is to start form a base cloud image, make my basic config changes (hooking into our config management systems etc..) then snapshot & run from that snapshot15:02
gmiEmilienM: Razique has a very useful script that can backup your volumes (https://github.com/Razique/BashStuff/blob/master/SYSTEMS/OpenStack/SCR_5005_V01_NUAC-OPENSTACK-EBS-volumes-backup.sh)  and you can probably have a backup client dumping these local backups to tape or disk as well15:03
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Daniel_IIwhat is the advantage of launch instances from cloud images, which is the purpose??? have a quitck SO installation procedure? or some else?15:04
ThiagoCMCscale fast15:04
Daniel_IIscale == install SO fast?15:05
ThiagoCMCmore users accessing your website, more "cloned" instances appear to to meet demand...15:05
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fm255005 what is the ratio for openstack memory to physical memory?15:05
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Dorogsscale = get resource fast and pay as you use15:06
ThiagoCMCyep15:06
ThiagoCMCthat's it...  =)15:06
fm255005if I have 4 machines with 128gb of ram, what should I set me memory quota to?15:06
Daniel_IIyes i know the concept ... but15:06
fm255005my*15:06
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Daniel_IIyou can't scale from cloud images, only from configured/persisted app/services images(snapshot)15:07
ThiagoCMCYou "encapsulate" your app within this "cloud image"... And the cloud engine will start tons of if, if needed...15:07
ThiagoCMCno?!15:07
Daniel_IIcloid images == only SO install15:07
DorogsChef/puppet and scripting solve your problem :)15:07
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EmilienMgmi: thx :)15:07
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EmilienMgmi: but that's not HA15:07
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gmiEmilienM: which part is not HA? backing up the volumes is DR, but Netapp and Nexenta with the HA plugin (http://www.nexenta.com/corp/products/what-is-openstorage/nexenta-products-plug-ins) is HA15:10
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EmilienMgmi: yep, I know the plugin :)15:10
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EmilienMbut I'm looking for a way with basic iSCSI driver15:10
Daniel_IIummm then ... "encapsulate" to cloud image is more or less equals that "snapshot image"  BUT DIFFERENCES "Encapsulate/cloud image" == dinamical inyection. "Snapshot images/traditional vm" == statical setup.    CORRECT?15:10
gmiEmilienM: didn't you test the plugin when working for Stackops? I'm only reminding you of what you forgot :)15:11
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DorogsDaniel_II, "yes"15:12
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Daniel_IIPerfect. Now it's clear, one last thing ... :)15:13
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jproulxjgriffith: thanks a million, much closer than I started the day.  nova commands are now properly routed to cinder for me, volumes seem to stay in "attaching" state though (still digigng thorugh logs to see if I cna find where it's brreaking down for me)15:15
uvirtbotNew bug: #1070890 in keystone "BaseException.message deprecated in py26" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107089015:15
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gmijproulx: I had a similar problem yesterday in an Essex environment; the volume were created but the attaching would fail; it turned out that I had tgt and ietd running on the nova-volume, and the ietd was started first15:17
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Daniel_II[Dorogs, ThiagoCMC, jproulx, larsks]:  In a Openstack infraestructure, we can run together instances from "cloud images" beside "snapshot images"... Can we configure private and public IPs by handly in snapshot images?? Ips not provides by openstack? it's a problem?15:20
Daniel_IIIf I move traditional KVM installation to Openstack. This KVM VM instances has ther public ips, and their private networks ...15:22
DorogsIf you lunch a instance from any snapshot, it will be an instance. The snapshot will be copied to compute server and will startup15:22
Daniel_IIno ip inyection?15:22
DorogsYes i think, you can configure fixed_range with public ups, in nova.network don't use MASQUERADE/SNAT15:23
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jproulxgmi: that doesn't seem to be my issue.15:23
melmothi think there is, with flatnetworkmanager (without dhcp), but only for linux boxes with a /Etc/network/interfaces15:23
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jproulxgmi: thanks though15:23
gmijproulx: I hope you find and fix all the issues by the time I get to implement Folsom :)15:24
Daniel_IIummm, if no ip inyection, why I need to provide ip ranges to openstack for these static snapshots?15:24
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jproulxgmi: ha ha, I'm trying :)  Most of the issues I've had today are documentation issues, so that's relatively easy...15:25
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melmothDaniel_II, yep. and there s a dhcp server with nova-network that allocate ip to vms15:26
EmilienMgmi: I did not. I was at university :)15:26
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coredump|brguys, how can I have 4 files of 40G on /var/lib/nova/instances/_base if I don't even have that much space on the partition? WHAT WIZARDRY IS THAT15:28
Daniel_IImelmoth: I think that's not what we're talking, please read up thanks any way :)15:29
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ThiagoCMCcoredump|br, run: du -hs *15:30
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ThiagoCMCyou'll see the real allocated space15:30
coredump|brjproulx: looking at http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/images-and-instances.html on the "End State", what "deleted" means? "Terminated" like nova delete right, not nova stop or suspend15:30
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coredump|brThiagoCMC: right, I supposed as much, but how ls shows the other value? That's weird. First time ever I see that happening15:31
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DorogsDaniel_II, melmoth described you how to use public ups in fixed_range for instances15:32
ThiagoCMCcoredump|br, that is a normal behavior...15:32
Daniel_IIThen if we launch an "snapshot instance" with their networking set by hand in their own private network, and public ip. Then we'll need to provide fordward to br100 manually. ???15:32
coredump|brThiagoCMC: I don't doubt it. I am just curious why ls shows a value and du shows another15:33
ThiagoCMCcoredump|br, try this: dd of=teste.img bs=1024 seek=3500000 count=0 ; ls -l teste.imp ; du -hs teste.img15:33
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ThiagoCMCI have no idea why this thing works like that... ehhehe....15:34
Daniel_IIDorogs: But if snapshot instances has not ip_inyection, I think openstack don't manage their network.15:34
ThiagoCMCAsk Linus...  =P15:34
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coredump|brnow I want to know the internals :P15:34
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ThiagoCMCI think that every POSIX FS works like that...15:35
Daniel_III understood that you confugure network by hand outside openstack15:35
DorogsDaniel_II, when you lunch an instance, it will get ip from DHCP, but you can use any network configuration as alias eth0:1 eth0:2 ...15:35
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1070899 in horizon "Inconsistency in 'Quota exceeded' error handling in forms" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107089915:36
Dorogsor, you can ignore DHCP and setup your ups manually, but it can fail if you use DHCP in the future15:36
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Daniel_IIDorogs: we keep out the manual static network ranges from openstack.15:37
wkharoldhttp://www.pasteit.com/1919115:37
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coredump|brThiagoCMC: ha, one day, one more thing learnt: sparse files work like that: http://administratosphere.wordpress.com/2008/05/23/sparse-files-what-why-and-how/15:38
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DorogsDaniel_II, but, what do you want? Use public IPs as fixed range, or use static ips for instances?15:38
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wkharoldlaunching Cirros image in new devstack install complains it can't reach 169.254.169.254 (http://www.pasteit.com/19191)15:38
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Dorogswkharold, Flat or VLAN?15:39
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Daniel_IIDorogs: Ok just a moment, we need to recapitulate conversation origins :)15:40
wkharolddorogs: flat15:40
Daniel_IIrecapitulating and considering this premise: "encapsulate cloud image" is more or less equals that "snapshot image"  BUT DIFFERENCES "Encapsulate/cloud image" == dinamical inyection. "Snapshot images/traditional vm" == statical setup.15:40
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wkharolddorogs: all-in-one install on Ubuntu 12.04 in virtualbox15:41
Dorogswkharold, use tcpdump in service interface, check if you see traffic in compute and nova-network node15:41
Dorogswkharold, virtual box, did you allow promiscuous mode in service network?15:41
wkharolddorogs: checking15:42
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DorogsDaniel_II, when you lunch any snapshot, you snapshot will keep the state, openstack will copy it to compute and create an instance15:43
DorogsDaniel_II, network configuration is the same, because you only lunch instances15:43
Daniel_IIthen moving from traditional KVM infraestructure to Openstack infraestructure. All actual KMV instances imported to nova-volume and launched in openstack as Snapshots (static manual network configuration, I'understood), and need to work beside the openstack cloud.15:44
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ThiagoCMCcoredump|br, good one!  LOL15:44
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DorogsDaniel_II, you can do it, just use fixed_range with your old range and don't use DHCP15:45
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Dorogsyour instances will route to nova-network and it will do SNAT to internet15:46
coredump|brSo about that ephemeral thing, I  just want to check if the instance data will go away on a nova stop or suspend.15:46
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wkharolddorogs: nope, thanks ... starting fresh install15:47
Daniel_IIDorogs: How can we avoid dhcp, if openstack asigns yours ips?15:47
Dorogsoks :)15:47
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DorogsDaniel_II, if your instance use DHCP or you have installed cloud-init, dnsmasq will server IPS, if you don't boot from DHCP you will use your IPS, but if your don't use the same range that fixed_range nova-network will not setup any ip in your range for you can use as default gw15:50
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1070904 in nova "Sub method fetch_image is no more usefull" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107090415:51
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Daniel_IIDorogs: Ohhh yesssss, thanks Dorogs i can see. Sorry for answer and questions refinements, but a lot of documentation readed and a lot of weeks over problems with openstack ... and we need to clarify this kind of things.15:55
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DorogsYou are welcome :-)15:56
Daniel_IIDorogs: this wiht private network. But what happens with public ip15:56
Daniel_IIWe need to preservate public assinements15:57
Dorogsdo you have instances with public and private ups?15:57
Dorogss/ups/ips/15:57
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Daniel_IIIf we avoid to pull on floating pool, then we need to configure fordward by hand?15:57
Dorogsnova-network will nat the traffic to instances15:58
Dorogsit uses iptables15:58
Daniel_IIyes ... web applications for example runnig now in KVM traditional VM instances15:58
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Dorogsit's not good idea, i suggest you use or private or public ups, but not mixed environment15:59
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Doug__Hello I am running FlatDHCPManager single host. I was wondering if I could set up openstack so NATTing will be done on the compute nodes16:00
Daniel_IIDorogs: ??????, sorry now lost you. instances running web-applictions public-interface to the users(public inet access) and aditional private interface (BBDD servers, memcache ... for example)16:01
Daniel_IIIts mandatory that openstack can manage this scenario.16:02
Daniel_II:?16:02
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Dorogsbut, i think nova-network is not ready for use public and private ranges configured into instances16:02
Dorogsnova-network manage public IPs routing to instances using service network16:03
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Daniel_IIthen ... private network and floating pool characteristics. Sorry, we may not be talking about same things16:04
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Dorogsfixed range= private network, floating ups are public ups that are routed to instances using NAT16:04
Daniel_III can see how an instance gets an private and public networks on nova-list16:04
Dorogsbut instances doesn't have public ups configured16:05
Daniel_IIok ok16:05
Daniel_IIyes you're rigth16:05
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Daniel_IIsorry16:05
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Daniel_IIit's providing by openstack16:05
Daniel_IIand nat16:05
Daniel_IIok16:05
Dorogsyes16:05
Daniel_IIbut this is the premise from my firsts questions ... :/16:06
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DorogsYes, depend of the environment you can hack it, but if you need public and private ups in the instances, you can not hack, you need route some range16:06
Doug__Well we are stort of talking about the same thing, is your natting happening at your controller right now?16:06
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contextare there any other projects that "give you" S316:09
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scalability-junkcontext, ceph16:09
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ThiagoCMCEucalyptus?16:10
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contextscalability-junk: ceph?16:11
contextnm found it16:12
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contexti guess is there anything like openstack swift thats opensource as well16:12
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contextor should i just not be lazy and setup swift16:12
scalability-junkcontext, as I said ceph :P16:12
contextkk16:12
contextwill try that16:12
ThiagoCMCAbout Ceph with OpenStack?!  http://ceph.com/docs/master/rbd/rbd-openstack/   ;-)16:13
ThiagoCMCOr, OpenStack backed up with Ceph... Sounds better...   :P16:14
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contexti should prolly not be lazy and just get swift running :x16:15
contexti already have everything else running16:16
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1057322 in glance "Image fails to upload to swift: TypeError: object of type 'CooperativeReader' has no len(" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105732216:21
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ThiagoCMCDo you guys knows if this script: http://devstack.org/stack.sh.html works with Ubuntu 12.04 plus Folsom (from Ubuntu Cloud Archive)?16:24
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ThiagoCMCOr is it for Essex only?16:25
contextquicj question. if im only using 1 storage node do i need nova-replicator ?16:25
contextand what FS do people normally use with Swift or does everyone use xfs ?16:26
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zykes-devstack ThiagoCMC should work for folsom as well16:32
ThiagoCMCzykes-, awesome! Thank you!16:33
wkharoldstill getting wget: can't connect to remote host (169.254.169.254): No route to host in fresh devstack install on Ubuntu 12.04 in latest virtualbox on MBP, both NAT and HostOnly NICs set to promisc16:33
zykes-context: nova-replicator ?16:33
BLZbubbaanyone here good with Windows licensing?16:33
zykes-BLZbubba: I'm "ok"16:33
contexthttp://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/install/apt/content/installing-and-configuring-storage-nodes.html16:34
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BLZbubbai want to offer windows vm's on kvm on openstack, potentially up to 500 instances16:34
BLZbubbawhat kind of licensing should i consider?16:34
BLZbubbathis is for automated QA testing16:34
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contextkk swift up and running16:37
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contextnow to just talk to it :x16:37
zykes-oh, BLZbubba that i'm unsure of :p16:37
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BLZbubbai want to at least make an attempt to be legal with it16:38
contextis there any quick way to know swift is working16:38
BLZbubbabut i'll bet they make sure it's only cost effective on VirtualPC16:38
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sibi_aHello all! Sorry for hijacking so many topics. I have a simple question : Are there any literature associated behind the 'scalability' of OpenStack (specifically swift etc.).16:49
contextwhenever i do swift-ring-builder ... rebalance i get a list-index-out-of-range error16:49
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sibi_aSomething like any published papers.. This is of pure academic interest. The documentation doesn't give a good idea on how the scalability is achieved.16:49
sibi_afor eg: for HDFS there is a paper : storageconference.org/2010/Papers/MSST/Shvachko.pdf16:49
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dspanoBLZbubba: I don't know much about Microsoft licensing, but I think you need some sort of Enterprise vda license that's really expensive. IMHO, Microsoft and their confusing licensing were not built for the cloud.16:49
sibi_asomething similar exists for swift ? or do I need to read the code to understand that ?16:49
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contextmm i reading diablo :x16:52
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Dieterbehey guys. can't get the swift tempURL feature to work. see https://lists.launchpad.net/openstack/msg17548.html for detailed rundown. tried with 1.7.4 as well, same shit :(16:56
dspanoBLZbubba: Here's the link to how it works. http://www.microsoft.com/Licensing/about-licensing/virtualization.aspx16:56
cruejone_anyone hit with glance-registry spawning bug?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/106551916:57
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dspanoBLZbubba: I think it's $4K to use the datacenter edition where you can run an unlimited amount of instances on each host, otherwise it's 4 instances per physical host with Enterprise edition at $1K-$1500.16:59
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BLZbubbadspano: cool thank you17:11
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notmynamesibi_a: I'm not sure of any academic papers. the basic idea (and you can see this from the code) is that the services don't keep state and don't share resources. this means that the individual parts are independently and linearly scalable17:33
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sibi_anotmyname: thanks! yes, looks like I would need to wade through code to know more :)17:43
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1070960 in quantum "quantum-debug didn't work with external network" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107096017:55
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pedahzurIf this is a FAQ, please point me to the appropriate page. :)  Can openstack also provision bare-metal hardware as well (e.g. PXE boot), or is it always using already provisioned hardware and creating VMs?18:19
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zodiakpedahzur, not currently, no18:38
pedahzurzodiak: "not currently"...is this in devel?18:38
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zodiakhttp://wiki.openstack.org/GeneralBareMetalProvisioningFramework18:38
zodiakit's at the "blueprint" stage18:38
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pedahzurzodiak: Gotcha. Thanks.18:39
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warikhi, anyone is using ganglia to monitor the instances here?18:41
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sean_learningcan I config my cluster into multiple zones, such that zone A is setup as memory overcommit allowed (1.5), and zone B is setup as no memory overcommit allowed?19:00
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contextso it appears i have swift running, how can i validate its working with keystone :x19:02
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contextthe ADMINPASS stuff isnt working in the docs here: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-object-storage/admin/content/verify-swift-installation.html19:02
contextand the config file it has doesnt work since there is no [filter:swift3] section so i removed swift3 from the list19:03
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gmipedahzur: there is some advanced work done in the bare-metal provisioning area, you can read more here: https://github.com/NTTdocomo-openstack/nova-folsom-201204271932/wiki/Baremetal-Installation and19:14
gmihttp://www.mirantis.com/blog/bare-metal-provisioning-with-openstack-cloud/19:14
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contextok... now is there a way to get S3 tokens from the dashboard or somewhere ?19:21
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1070986 in devstack "stack.sh does not set -e, so many error cases can go unhandled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107098619:23
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contextnm pretty sure i found them19:24
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yossarianselling bitcoins at 11.3 per coin19:24
yossarianmessage me19:24
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wkharoldStill trying to get devstack images to work. Does this metadata service iptable rule and my routes look right? http://paste.openstack.org/show/22213/19:30
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Qlawyhi, I have some strange problems with nova-compute, first of all I had problem with LibvirtDriver but I "solved it" now I have "Class ComputeManager could not be found: No module named driver" in my nova-compute.log19:43
Qlawyim doing all configuration straight from docs19:43
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Qlawyand have no clue how to solve it ;/19:44
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Qlawyon another machine i commented compute_driver=libvirt.LibvirtDriver and it helped but not here ;/19:46
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1071003 in cinder "Dead methods in cinderclient" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107100320:05
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strife25hi all, I am writing a client against openstack and needed some clarification that I couldn't find in the doc. When I try to delete an instance, does that instance enter in a DELETED state (i.e. marked for removal/deletion from openstack) and then eventually gets completely deleted from the openstack infrastructure and db, or does it just get completely removed and hidden from the user?20:19
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wkharoldwhat should 'curl http://169.254.169.254:8775/' return? I assume a 404 is non-optimal20:38
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strife25hi all, I am writing a client against openstack and needed some clarification that I couldn't find in the doc. When I try to delete an instance, does that instance enter in a DELETED state (i.e. marked for removal/deletion from openstack) and then eventually gets completely deleted from the openstack infrastructure and db, or does it just get completely removed and hidden from the user?20:43
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coredump|brso20:54
coredump|brapparently my install is ignoring the flavor root disk size20:55
coredump|brI end up with a 1.4G disk20:55
coredump|brany idea?20:55
coredump|brusing ubuntu qcow img20:55
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1071017 in nova "Instance reboot not working. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107101720:56
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1071021 in nova "No indication that instance reboot failed." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107102121:01
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1068114 in nova "Time of "no capabilities" after nova-compute starts" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106811421:06
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sean_learningHi guys, I have a plan to draw a sequence diagram of Nova for "creating a VM" runtime behavior,any start point for me to understand the details (right now, I am a black box user)?21:17
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XenithIs openstack networking much like AWS, where all network traffic is through the NAT/network node?21:18
bmeshjasonyou dont' have to21:20
bmeshjasonyou can use public ips in dhcp or non-dhcp mode21:20
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themadcanudisthey guys. What are the various ways people with swift clusters take snapshots of their data and perform backups (onsite or offsite)?21:36
themadcanudistI can think of one way. LVM snapshot, zip and ship.21:36
themadcanudistbut are there more efficient/better tools for this?21:37
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Doug__Does anyone know how to import nova.scheduler.manager.SchedulerManager into a python script so I can use it???????21:40
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coredump|brapparently my install is ignoring the flavor root disk size. I mean, the disk is 32G but the xvda1 partition is 1.4GB. Have anyone seen anything like that?22:08
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coredump|brno?22:10
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coredump|brwill continue researching22:10
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1071047 in ceilometer "Keystone middleware does not use configuration" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107104722:23
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eskphey guys any wiki admins around?22:30
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warikis it "safe" to restart rabbitMQ ?22:40
uvirtbotNew bug: #1071061 in ceilometer "Create a common library to make instrumenting Openstack easier" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107106122:41
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gilbert1looking for some help getting a keystone installation configured. Docs aren't exactly helping.22:52
gilbert1what is "service_endpoint"?22:52
gilbert1what does the tenant_name equate to in the temp_auth setup?22:53
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gilbert1configuring services doc assumes i've either already got the correct env variables in place or know wtf they are supposed to be22:54
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gilbert1this is the quietest bunch of 500 people i've ever seen23:04
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themadcanudistGuys, what sort of backup strategies are in use for openstack swfit?  fileysstem snapshots and a zip and ship?23:11
themadcanudistanything more efficient?23:11
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notmynamethemadcanudist: that's kindof a weird questions since swift stores it's own replicas and often times is actually your backup target. where do you store backups of your tape drives?23:13
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themadcanudistnotmyname, replication is not backups23:18
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themadcanudistimagine a bug that takes out like 5% of the ring or something23:19
themadcanudistthen what23:19
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themadcanudistyou can't rely on the fact that it's stored in 3 places in your zone or whatever23:19
themadcanudistbecause it's all gone.23:19
themadcanudisthence, it's not a weird question at all.23:19
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fleishwhen I reboot a xen dom0 running nova-compute and hosting instances, the instances still show as running in nova list but they are not actually re-started on the dom023:20
fleishis there something I'm missing?23:20
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BillakosGuys, I have one quick question with latest master Folsom installation. As you can see below the controller can see the client. But whyy can't I see the client on the Horizon dashboard under services?23:22
Billakoshttps://gist.github.com/acb52315091edbe4ffe723:23
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BillakosThis is what I have on the client side: ENABLED_SERVICES=n-cpu,n-net,n-api,n-vol,rabbit23:27
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uvirtbotNew bug: #1071069 in nova "After restarting an instance volume is lost" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107106923:28
wkharold_'curl http://169.254.169.254:8775/' returns 404 on devstack all-in-one install in an ubuntu 12.04 virtualbox VM; as a result my instances can't get their keys and are pretty useless23:28
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wkharold_spent most of the day trying straighten it out, no luck so fart23:29
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aceat64hmm, I may have done something wrong when migrating from nova-volume to cinder23:45
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aceat64I can't view or create volumes in the dashboard any more23:46
aceat64error log shows: http://pastebin.com/T0CF3pNT23:46
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notmynamethemadcanudist: correct replication is not backups23:52
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notmynamethemadcanudist: and although I've seen clusters that lost no data even in the case of much greater failure rates, figuring out how to backup a large swift cluster is not trivial. normally, it would require a second swift cluster (since generally swift clusters are used to store a large amount of data)23:54
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