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| dominoking | I have problem creating volume using cinder. I'm sure I have enough disk space to create one but I get this error | 02:25 |
| dominoking | cinder --os-tenant-name=STI create --display_name testvol1 10 | 02:25 |
| dominoking | ERROR: VolumeSizeTooLarge: Maximum volume size exceeded (HTTP 413) (Request-ID: req-6aa49925-8f2e-411d-8a33-51a253ac47c6) | 02:25 |
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| dominoking | Hi, did someone answer my questions? I accidentally triggered the quit button on my weechat-curses. | 02:34 |
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| Jimmie | Hello guys, first time here - went here to get a better understanding of Grizzly. Currently running Folsom on our data center with a single controller and multiple nodes, each server has a single NIC interface, we're in need of updating to Grizzly and we do understand that nova-network is being deprecated which we use as a flat bridge today. Our data center does not allow us to add more NIC's to our current machines and swap rack-sp | 12:08 |
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| Jimmie | I know i'm bloating the room down with text, just curious as to if it really is necessary with 3 NIC's on quantum servers, or is it possible to run quantum on the controller (single node) and still be able to run the compute nodes separately like before? Thanks in advance guys, any help is appreciated | 12:08 |
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| Jimmie | Anyone? Any help would be appreciated | 12:40 |
| zynzel | Jimmie: you can use tagged vlans | 12:41 |
| zynzel | on one physical nic | 12:41 |
| Jimmie | zynzel: Thank you! Is there any documentation on which perferred setup to be able to do this? Any document | 12:42 |
| Jimmie | basically we want to put everything on a controller including quantum, and add as many compute nodes as needed, but with the limit of each server only having 1 single nic, unfortunately | 12:42 |
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| zynzel | Jimmie: i dont remember any docs regarding quantum and 1 nic | 12:43 |
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| zynzel | but, you can build testbed with 3 nics (on virtualbox for example) | 12:44 |
| zynzel | and try to migrate this to 1 nic with tagged vlan :) | 12:44 |
| Jimmie | zynzel: Ok, but thank you for the advice! This will give me some direction to aim for =) | 12:44 |
| zynzel | also you can check mirantis fuel library (sorry foradvertisement | 12:44 |
| zynzel | for advertisement)* | 12:44 |
| Jimmie | zynzel: No worries, but is not Fuel commercial though? | 12:45 |
| zynzel | Jimmie: nope. | 12:45 |
| zynzel | fuel is opensource | 12:45 |
| zynzel | only support is commercial | 12:45 |
| Jimmie | zynzel: Oh, wow, i didn't know that. They seem to have great support for Openstack | 12:45 |
| zynzel | search for fuel on github :) | 12:46 |
| zynzel | im logged in so i dont know which repo is public and which not. | 12:46 |
| Jimmie | zynzel: Thanks a great bunch! I will do | 12:46 |
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| zynzel | no problem, good luck! | 12:47 |
| Jimmie | zynzel: Its terrible being locked in because lack of physical presence for our servers not being able to add more NIC's which left us a bit worried. I will continue looking at the things you mentioned =) | 12:47 |
| Jimmie | Once again, thanks! | 12:47 |
| zynzel | Jimmie: i build openstack on "worse" infra ;) | 12:48 |
| zynzel | trust me, one NIC is not a big problem ;) | 12:48 |
| Jimmie | zynzel: Well, I'm unfortunately not that savvy with Openstack yet as my experience is limited | 12:48 |
| Jimmie | zynzel: I've managed to get a production stack running within 3 weeks though, project is chasing me with whips =) | 12:49 |
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| zynzel | Jimmie: one suggestion | 12:49 |
| zynzel | if you are building PoC, 1 controller is OK | 12:49 |
| mgdm | if anyone has any tips for a one node setup which has only one public IP, I'm all ears - I would like to have each box have internal IPs | 12:49 |
| zynzel | but in production, controller is critical - think about HA | 12:50 |
| mgdm | (this is a proof of concept) | 12:50 |
| Jimmie | zynzel: Thank you, i will look into moving some of the services to other machines =) | 12:50 |
| Jimmie | zynzel: Its unfortunately the budget being the king at the moment, its why - my own suggestions have been getting a rather chilling effect from the others costing, it was my original idea, quickly savaged | 12:51 |
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| zynzel | Jimmie: controller can be cheap hw+raid, resign from ram+cpu | 12:52 |
| zynzel | and buy 2 controllers ;) | 12:52 |
| zynzel | 2 or more. :) | 12:52 |
| Jimmie | Sounds better zynzel, I will seriously look into that. Thanks for pointing out! | 12:52 |
| Jimmie | Today we have a 12GB, i7 quad with 21TB raid 10 on controller, but we could possibly switch in the current stage | 12:53 |
| zynzel | 21tb? | 12:53 |
| zynzel | controller is also storage node? | 12:53 |
| Jimmie | zynzel: Yes | 12:53 |
| Jimmie | zynzel: For partial data | 12:54 |
| zynzel | oh. | 12:54 |
| zynzel | storage (iscsi) like ram :) | 12:54 |
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| zynzel | each iscsi sessions as far as i remember took 24(?)MB RAM | 12:54 |
| Jimmie | zynzel: We use cinder with iscsi currently for block storage, which will be very limited. | 12:55 |
| zynzel | Jimmie: i dont know how much $ you can spend | 12:55 |
| Jimmie | zynzel: I know its ridiculously high so we've done some remapping of where data will be stored in project, | 12:55 |
| zynzel | but best approach is dedicated node for each service. | 12:55 |
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| zynzel | set of services* | 12:55 |
| Jimmie | we're reaching our budget by the cents currently | 12:55 |
| zynzel | for example (any OS logic) | 12:55 |
| zynzel | storage (cinder-volume) | 12:56 |
| zynzel | and compute (nova-compute) | 12:56 |
| zynzel | if you want to merge this functions on one physical box - this can be problematic | 12:56 |
| zynzel | in performance debugging for example | 12:56 |
| zynzel | when you merge cinder volumes with controller (database+rabbitmq) | 12:57 |
| zynzel | you dont know if you have high io waits beacause of database is bussy | 12:57 |
| zynzel | or users are killing cinder backend | 12:57 |
| Jimmie | zynzel: Well, we've had to cut down on storage logic in intital stage as we only have access to one logical box for nova services and block storage, ontop of this we need 4 compute nodes to manage instances, the original idea was to split controller, storage and compute nodes | 12:57 |
| Jimmie | zynzel: Its all about being tied down unfortunately | 12:58 |
| zynzel | moneys are always a problem :) | 12:58 |
| Jimmie | zynzel: Oh yes! | 12:58 |
| zynzel | ok, must go - housework is waiting ;) | 13:00 |
| Jimmie | zynzel: Thank you for all your help! I will sit down and replan | 13:00 |
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| francois_ | hi guys | 21:09 |
| francois_ | I need a little bit of help setting up openstack on Debian wheezy, whenever I go to the image admin section in horizon | 21:10 |
| francois_ | I get this error: ServiceCatalogException at /admin/images/images/ Invalid service catalog service: image | 21:10 |
| francois_ | I've created the image service in keystone | 21:11 |
| francois_ | it's listed in the endpoints | 21:11 |
| francois_ | dunno what else to do... | 21:11 |
| francois_ | can anybody help? | 21:11 |
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| LordBrain | I want to wet my feet with swift, but I am unsure the simplest starting development environment. For example, should I be setting up a couple of different virtual machines, and just for tinkering purposes, is it ok that they all run in virtualbox on my 2 quadcore cpu machine? | 23:35 |
| notmyname | LordBrain: what are you wanting to do? run a black-box test to play with the API? learn the parts of the system before you do a "real" deploy? actually do a PoC? | 23:36 |
| LordBrain | I basically want a playground so i can start writing my hello world and all that, and get a feel for how it works | 23:36 |
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| LordBrain | notmyname, i'd also eventually like to see how hard it would be to create a haskell interface, just because i want to code in haskell. | 23:37 |
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| notmyname | LordBrain: "how it works" from an API perspective or from a "ok, now I know all the parts of the whole" perspective? | 23:37 |
| LordBrain | maybe i am too new to understand the difference | 23:37 |
| notmyname | heh, ok :-) | 23:38 |
| LordBrain | considering my goal of eventually creating some kind of haskell bindings or something, does that help you give me some advice? | 23:38 |
| notmyname | LordBrain: basically, swift has a few distinct pieces that cooperate to make up the whole storage system | 23:38 |
| notmyname | LordBrain: pretty much the difference is do you want to write apps for swift or do you want to run a swift cluster? | 23:39 |
| LordBrain | oh, both | 23:39 |
| notmyname | LordBrain: since you are looking to make haskell bindings, that makes me think app | 23:39 |
| LordBrain | well, unless there is some public cluster or something, i will eventually need to do that too tho | 23:39 |
| daMaestro | there are a couple free-to-play openstack clusters out there | 23:40 |
| notmyname | LordBrain: lot's of public clusters. the 2 biggest are probably Rackspace Cloud Files and HP's cloud | 23:40 |
| daMaestro | trystack is one i've seen some people using | 23:40 |
| notmyname | LordBrain: and getting an account on one of those would be the simplest way to do API testing | 23:40 |
| LordBrain | i'm investigating possibly integrating swift into another project which would set up a large vpn, so i would want to create a cluster on that network | 23:40 |
| notmyname | LordBrain: ok. let me give you a few links for that | 23:40 |
| LordBrain | ok, well maybe just for starters i could work with one of those, do they charge for account tho? | 23:41 |
| notmyname | LordBrain: ya. I'm not sure of HP | 23:41 |
| daMaestro | LordBrain, trystack.org (but i've not personally used it) | 23:41 |
| notmyname | I'm not sure of HP's pricing. RAX is pretty cheap ($0.10/GB) | 23:41 |
| LordBrain | well, the idea would eventually involve moving to my own cluster anyway, so i think i'll just make that my answer actually | 23:42 |
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| notmyname | LordBrain: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/ <- general developer docs for swift | 23:42 |
| notmyname | LordBrain: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/development_saio.html <- how to set up a virtualized cluster for dev and testing | 23:42 |
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| notmyname | LordBrain: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/howto_installmultinode.html <- how to set up a cluster you'd actuall consider using for real | 23:43 |
| notmyname | LordBrain: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/deployment_guide.html <- general guidelines on deployment | 23:43 |
| notmyname | LordBrain: http://swiftstack.com/openstack-swift/ <- tons of content about what swift is and how it works (and also my company's website) | 23:43 |
| LordBrain | i was looking at that one notmyname , the saio one, a few days ago, but i read thru it all and thought to myself, this is an awful lot of work for getting my feet wet. | 23:43 |
| notmyname | yes it is :-) | 23:43 |
| notmyname | which is why I didn't want to point you in that direction if you were just looking to do API dev work :-) | 23:44 |
| LordBrain | it might make things even more difficult, that i've actually never set up a network of vms | 23:44 |
| notmyname | LordBrain: *plug for my company's product* SwiftStack makes it very easy to set up swift clusters | 23:44 |
| LordBrain | hmm | 23:45 |
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| LordBrain | well i dont want to buy an account, maybe if there is a free trial so i can get my hello world etc | 23:45 |
| LordBrain | but really eventually, for my ultimate goals, i would need to set up my own cluster | 23:46 |
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| notmyname | LordBrain: those linked docs or swiftstack would be the best way to set up your own cluster | 23:50 |
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| daMaestro | notmyname, do you support the swift3 api? | 23:50 |
| LordBrain | yeah, thanks | 23:51 |
| notmyname | LordBrain: I can send you a link for a VirtualBox image that is a simplified one-replica cluster (ie no durability) that you could use for testing, but it doesn't sound like that would meet your needs | 23:51 |
| notmyname | daMaestro: you == swiftstack? yes we have customers who use the swift3 middleware | 23:52 |
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| daMaestro | cool, yeah that was what i was asking | 23:52 |
| LordBrain | well send it or post it, in case I decide it is useful i'll have it in my log here. | 23:52 |
| daMaestro | the last time i read the swift3 code i wanted to cry, but i've heard it's gotten much safer in grizzly | 23:52 |
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| LordBrain | unless that is too inconvenient | 23:53 |
| LordBrain | i'm still browsing docs and so forth | 23:53 |
| notmyname | daMaestro: it's its own separate project. what do you mean by "safer"? | 23:54 |
| daMaestro | the last time i looked at swift3 i had some major sec. concerns, but they have almost all been fixed | 23:55 |
| daMaestro | stuff like not actually checking downstream tokens, etc | 23:55 |
| daMaestro | ;-) | 23:55 |
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| notmyname | LordBrain: I pm'd the link | 23:56 |
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| notmyname | daMaestro: glad to hear it's better :-) | 23:58 |
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| notmyname | LordBrain: daMaestro: I gotta run. I'll be back online tomorrow (and if you'll be at OSCON this week, look for me at the openstack booth) | 23:59 |
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