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| Stackity | anybody happen to know if there's any sort of livestreaming set up for the summit? | 02:57 |
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| Qu310 | anyone have any ideas why glance images stay in "Queued" status when trying to add an image via url? | 06:10 |
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| ArminderS | because it first downloads it on controller (which is running horizon) and then add to glance | 06:19 |
| ArminderS | so it queues while the download is happening | 06:20 |
| ArminderS | look for file in /tmp incresing in size, thats your image being fetched from url | 06:20 |
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| sanderj_ | Can anyone recommend a company which provides support for setting up and managing a private openstack cloud? | 07:59 |
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| gnuoy | I have a new havana deployment and I'm trying to get it working with two floating IP pools. I have 2 physical hosts acting as neutron gateways and a single l3 agent on each host. Is it correct to have handle_internal_only_routers set to true on one l3 agent anf false on the other ? | 08:27 |
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| gnuoy | Is there anywhere that documents what handle_internal_only_routers actually does ? | 08:27 |
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| gnuoy | The name would suggest it causes an agent to handle internal routers only :-) but thats not what http://docs.openstack.org/network-admin/admin/content/adv_cfg_l3_agent_multi_extnet.html suggests | 08:28 |
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| nexus_monkey | Anyone here in HK and smoke (and know where to buy smokes)? | 09:04 |
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| stan_ivanov | How to use novaclient v3? it doesn't have client.servers like v1_1 ? | 09:21 |
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| lari_ | i need to reserve/release an ip from an external system when creating or deleting an instance in OpenStack. What's the best way to approach this? | 09:26 |
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| lari_ | nova/compute/manager.py has _allocate_network_async method which seems to return the ip given to an instance | 09:28 |
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| ntt_ | Hi. I would upgrade from grizzly to havana. I know that there are some problems -> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Havana#Upgrades_from_Grizzly , but how can i upgrade packages? yum update is enough even tough i have grizzly repository -> http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/openstack/openstack-grizzly/epel-6/ | 09:33 |
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| DavidSchmitt | ntt_: wouldn'T you need the havan repo to upgrade? | 09:34 |
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| ntt_ | DavidSchmitt: i am a bit confused. I think that i need havana repo, but if i do yum update (with grizzly repo) i have a lot of packages that need of upgrades. What i should do? Before an update with grizzly repo? | 09:36 |
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| vills | guys, is there any way to make possible using auth-api v1 in keystone (grizzly), not havana | 09:41 |
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| arcimboldo | Hi all, I am having trouble with nova-network on folsom. All of a sudden, it started to take ages to provide IP addresses so every new instances goes in error | 12:06 |
| arcimboldo | nova-network process is taking 70-80% cputime on the controller node, but I don't understand what actually it is doing. | 12:07 |
| arcimboldo | I see a lot of these logs though: Got semaphore "get_dhcp" for method "_get_dhcp_ip"... inner /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/nova/utils.py:764 | 12:07 |
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| arcimboldo | and I realized that compute nodes are contacting him quite often (like, 1200 each in less than one day), lines like "DEBUG nova.openstack.common.rpc.amqp [-] received {...} _safe_log /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/nova/openstack/common/rpc/common.py:195" | 12:10 |
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| wink | my instances are getting 2 interfaces from 2 networks - one has "metric 100" one does not, so default route is "broken". Any idea how I could tweak that? | 12:32 |
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| Qlawy | guys, anyone of you have problems with metadata when using neutron? | 13:01 |
| Qlawy | my vms can get ips from dhcp, but cannot connect to metadata server | 13:01 |
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| Qlawy | It looks I have proper iptables rule but it still doesnt work :/ | 13:01 |
| Qlawy | -A neutron-l3-agent-PREROUTING -d 169.254.169.254/32 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 9697 | 13:01 |
| Qlawy | in nat table | 13:01 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: did you get your neutron network up? | 13:19 |
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| sheldonh | the install guide leaves me confused. should neutron agents (e.g. l3, dhcp) run on all compute nodes? | 13:21 |
| sgran | they run on the network node(s) | 13:21 |
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| sheldonh | thanks! | 13:22 |
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| __dedi__ | hi, can I associate same floating IP address to multiple instances? | 13:22 |
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| sheldonh | so... should i expect dnsmasq processes to show up on compute nodes? or maybe nat rules that send dhcp/bootp to the network node? | 13:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sheldonh: no, not yet. still rebuilding everything. | 13:39 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: know tha tfeeling :) | 13:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | built the controller and network nodes as VMs this time... with the ability to snapshot | 13:42 |
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| Seth_ | morning | 13:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | yo | 13:53 |
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| Seth_ | quick question about devstack....this the place to ask? | 13:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | eh, probably close enough depending on the issue | 13:54 |
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| Seth_ | afetr i run ./stack.sh and it scrolls along for a while it finally stops and there are two errors..."service horizon not running" and "service n-api" not runnning. | 13:55 |
| Seth_ | im running on centos6 | 13:55 |
| Seth_ | i cant seem to find any answers about what to do to get this running correctly | 13:56 |
| sheldonh | Seth_: did you disable selinux enforcement before you ran stack.sh? i haven't had joy in enforcing mode | 13:56 |
| Seth_ | yea its not enabled | 13:56 |
| sheldonh | Seth_: search /var/log/audit/audit.log for denied | 13:56 |
| sheldonh | Seth_: oh. well then it's not that :) | 13:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | does your system meet the pre-reqs? | 13:57 |
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| Seth_ | yes | 13:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | no firewall? | 13:58 |
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| Seth_ | no but let me dbl check | 13:58 |
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| Seth_ | maybe that was it...it was still enabled but i thought i had it off from messing with stuff earlier | 14:00 |
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| Seth_ | running stack now ... | 14:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | there should be a log in /opt/stack somewhere too that you can find more details | 14:00 |
| Seth_ | yea thats what i was looking at but it wasnt really telling me why those services failed just that they did | 14:01 |
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| sheldonh | with neutron, is dnsmasq the thing that should be answering dhcp queries? | 14:15 |
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| sgran | yes | 14:16 |
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| sheldonh | i see dnsmask listening on port 67 on my compute nodes, not on my network node. and syslog on the compute nodes is showing "DHCP packet received on qbr1471757c-2c which has no address" (and the compute instances are showing classic bad dhcp symptoms) | 14:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i could have sworn i've seen this problem somewhere before | 14:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | whether it was in here, or on ask.openstack.org, or... some bug report | 14:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'll probably be joining you once i get this stuff back up again | 14:19 |
| sheldonh | :) | 14:20 |
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| sheldonh | we can virtually share a beer and a sob :) | 14:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | lol | 14:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | one thing i noticed last night when bringing my VMs up was the docs don't really say which interface should have the default gateway configured for remote access | 14:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | as if all of the config is done from a console or something | 14:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | not sure of the impact, but i set a few gateways on my boxes | 14:21 |
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| decede | sheldonh: think i had that issue a while ago and couldn't find an answer | 14:26 |
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| sheldonh | decede: and so... you gave up on neutron, or... something cooler? :) | 14:32 |
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| __dedi__ | is it possible to share a floating IP between multiple instances? | 14:33 |
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| sheldonh | __dedi__: sorry, dunno. but that feels more like lbaas territory, based on a casual skim of the available documentation | 14:40 |
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| __dedi__ | sheldonh: thank you! | 14:40 |
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| sheldonh | sgran: sorry, to clarify, what answers dhcp queries? dnsmasq on compute nodes, or dnsmasq on the controller? | 14:43 |
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| sgran | sheldonh: dnsmasq on the network node | 14:44 |
| sgran | but how you've carved up the role 'network node' is up to you | 14:44 |
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| sheldonh | sgran: all on one box | 14:44 |
| sgran | ordinarily, I wouldn't expect to see dnsmasq running on a compute host | 14:44 |
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| sgran | ok, so then surely they're the same thing? | 14:44 |
| sheldonh | sgran: sorry, all in one was a terrible choice of words. we have a dedicated network node :) | 14:45 |
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| sgran | right, so that's where I'd expect to see the dnsmasq instances, and where I'd expect neutron-dhcp-agent to be running | 14:46 |
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| sheldonh | sgran: interesting. i see IP 192.168.0.239.68 > 255.255.255.255.67 on the network node, but i have no idea where 192.168.0.239 came from! | 14:47 |
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| sgran | are you using network namespaces ? | 14:48 |
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| sgran | ip netns ls | 14:48 |
| sgran | ip netns exec qdhcp-<uuid> ip r | 14:48 |
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| sheldonh | sgran: ls only gives a qdhcp-<uuid> on one compute node, where ip r gives no output | 14:50 |
| decede | sheeprine: I decided i'd try upgrading to havana and I'm still in the process | 14:50 |
| decede | sheldonh: ^^ | 14:50 |
| sheldonh | decede: i think you might have the same thing to look forward to then :) | 14:50 |
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| decede | ah "cool" | 14:51 |
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| sheldonh | sgran: this is the first time i've read up on what network namespaces are. they don't sound useful to someone who's trying to get his first neutron deploy up :) | 14:52 |
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| sheldonh | sgran: so i'm going to disable that and reboot. but even without, it's odd to me that dnsmasq on the dedicated network node isn't listening on port 67 | 14:52 |
| mvenesio | Hi guys, i'm deploying a testing environment with nova + neutron + OpenVswitch in VLAN mode (havana release) and i have a issue reaching the metadata from my instances in different VLANS, someone knows that configuration ? | 14:52 |
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| sheldonh | one day, i'm going to start playing with a technology long after it becomes mainstream and easy. i'm going to love that day | 15:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sheldonh: is that after you get the rainbow and unicorn nodes working? | 15:04 |
| sheldonh | mvenesio: problem reaching 169.whatever, or timing out befor ethat? | 15:04 |
| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: oh i have rainbows and unicorns. had that weeks ago. my rack servers are awesome. now i'd like to get them connected using neutron :) | 15:05 |
| mvenesio | sheldonh: indeed 'http://169.254.169.254/2009-04-04/meta-data/instance-id' failed [113/120s]: url error [timed out] | 15:06 |
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| sheldonh | mvenesio: redhat-based distro? | 15:06 |
| mvenesio | sheldonh: ubuntu 12.04 | 15:06 |
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| mvenesio | sheldonh: looks like the iptables rule in the compute node does not match the request from the instance in a different VLAN or something like that | 15:07 |
| sheldonh | mvenesio: well on redhat-based boxes, i ran into this two weeks ago and submitted a docfix, recommending that the nova metadata api be installed on each compute node. that fixes this there. not sure about ubuntu | 15:08 |
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| mvenesio | sheldonh: and this fix works in VLAN mode and OVS ? | 15:10 |
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| lkthomas | hey guys | 15:11 |
| lkthomas | good to see you all in conference | 15:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sheldonh: i have 6 year old servers :/ | 15:11 |
| sheldonh | mvenesio: well i reckon the fix is independent of the inter-compute-node transport. it causes 169.254.169.254 to be configured on lo, and so the DNAT rule works | 15:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | so i'm starting with retired unicorns | 15:12 |
| mvenesio | sheldonh: can you send me a link to try that ? | 15:13 |
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| sheldonh | mvenesio: well it won't describe exactly what to do on ubuntu, but... let me see if the change has hit the web servers yet... | 15:13 |
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| mvenesio | sheldonh: Thanks, and just for now, what do you set as default gateway in your instances ? | 15:14 |
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| lkthomas | guys, can I use openstack as object storage server ? | 15:14 |
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| Sam-I-Am | there is an object storage component... swift | 15:14 |
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| lkthomas | I mean, can I use swift to run as object storage server ? | 15:15 |
| sheldonh | mvenesio: ah, there. item 3: http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/yum/content/nova-network.html | 15:15 |
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| sheldonh | mvenesio: wow, that's a good question. to be honest, i haven't looked! they just get their gw from dhcp | 15:15 |
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| sheldonh | decede & Sam-I-Am: one possible thing that gets in the way of dnsmasq working: mv /etc/libvirt/qemu/networks/autostart/default.xml /etc/libvirt/qemu/networks/autostart/default.xml.orig && reboot | 15:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | oh? | 15:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | on the compute node? | 15:18 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: evvvvverywherrrrrre! :) | 15:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | did you push the 'moar unicorns' button or something? | 15:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | does this actually work? | 15:19 |
| achampion | Can anyone tell me what the /1234/ refers to in links, e.g. http://<endpoint>/v1.0/1234/flavors/1 | 15:19 |
| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: no, it just gets me to the point where neutron can start its own dnsmasq instances that actually listen on port 67 :) | 15:19 |
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| lkthomas | question, does object storage really could contain unlimited files ? | 15:21 |
| mvenesio | sheldonh: well that's a little difference, because i'm using flat injected ips | 15:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | sheldonh: good to know | 15:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | sheldonh: wonder if its worth submitting a boog report | 15:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | or seeing if there already is one | 15:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | lkthomas: well, the object id is something like 64-bits long, so many objects | 15:23 |
| mvenesio | sheldonh: and the question was because we are using our core switches as default gw instead the neutron network node or controller | 15:24 |
| lkthomas | Sam-I-Am: is there have a limit ? | 15:24 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mvenesio: thats kind of what i was going to do | 15:25 |
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| lkthomas | anyone in the summit today ? | 15:26 |
| lupine | so I'm looking for documentation on the VM<->block device access mechanisms permitted by the openstack block layer. can anyone point me in the right direction? | 15:26 |
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| lupine | http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content/managing-volumes.html suggests iSCSI | 15:28 |
| lkthomas | basically all people in Summit are either sleeping or on party | 15:28 |
| lkthomas | I am going to Redhat party tomorrow night | 15:28 |
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| lkthomas | Sam-I-Am: are you in the summit ? | 15:29 |
| achampion | lupine: VMDK devices are supported behind cinder: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/config-reference/content/vmware-vmdk-driver.html | 15:29 |
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| mvenesio | Sam-I-Am: yes and works pretty well injecting ips and tagging vlans with OVER, everything works regarding connectivity and security groups, but for some "networking" reason the iptables PREROUTING rule doesn't match the metadata request from my instances | 15:30 |
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| mvenesio | Sam-I-Am: sorry, with OVS | 15:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | lkthomas: nope :/ | 15:31 |
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| lkthomas | Sam-I-Am: why not ? | 15:31 |
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| achampion | lupine: there are whole bunch of supported drivers: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/config-reference/content/section_volume-drivers.html | 15:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | lkthomas: its a bit far for me | 15:31 |
| lkthomas | Sam-I-Am: you should come next time :) | 15:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | mvenesio: so you're using vlan mode instead of gre? | 15:31 |
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| mvenesio | Sam-I-Am: yes because with gre you need to use a neutron network node and all your traffic needs to go through that node, so it's a single point of failure and a possible bottleneck | 15:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | interesting | 15:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | the docs for vlan mode seem to mention a network node... did you do your own thing? | 15:35 |
| lupine | achampion, ta, that's what I was looking for | 15:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | i havent figured out which way i want to go... gre or vlan... at least for testing. at this point i'd just like something to work. | 15:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | the goal of this project is eventually making neutron speak to sdn-enabled switches and using vxlan/vtep | 15:36 |
| lupine | the only other thing I'm really confused about is the distinction between migrations and data redundancy | 15:37 |
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| lupine | if a volume is offline, you can migrate it - but if it's simultaneously present in three different locations, surely you can perform an "online migration" by shutting down one of the three locations? | 15:37 |
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| mvenesio | Sam-I-Am: NO, we are just tagging the taps in the correct VLAN and setting the default gw of the instances to our core switches to delegate the routing process | 15:38 |
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| mvenesio | Sam-I-Am: you only need to install neutron server, openvswitch in your compute, and the neutron ovs agent | 15:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | huh... | 15:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | hmmmmm! | 15:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | well, i'll check which way the wind is blowing when i get to that step | 15:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | right now i'm stepping through glance | 15:39 |
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| mvenesio | Sam-I-Am: and also you need to have the port trunks in your switches with the correct vlans tagged, for that task neutron have some plugins with some switch vendors to tag and create that vlans on the switches regarding the vlan that you need for your instance | 15:42 |
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| mvenesio | Sam-I-Am: but so far we are creating that stuff manually | 15:42 |
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| mvenesio | Sam-I-Am: and yes the correct path should be SDN but there is nothing stable | 15:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, about that stable thing... | 15:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | *facepalm* | 15:45 |
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| sneezewort | When I try to attach a volume to an instance there is no error in the command line or in horizon. The status just goes back to being "Available" | 15:47 |
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| Seth_ | ok so im semi up and running now Sam...still seeing the same error but now when I go to the url for the dashboard im actually seeing *something*...an error that says the xml has no style :) | 15:48 |
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| sneezewort | In the nova-compute.log logs I get "Failed to attach volume" followed by "Exception during message handling" and "DeviceIsBusy: The supplied device (vdb) is busy." | 15:49 |
| sneezewort | This is true for any device name I use. | 15:49 |
| sneezewort | Any ideas? | 15:50 |
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| Sam-I-Am | Seth_: does xml ever have style? its an awful format for humans lol | 15:53 |
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| Seth_ | true :) | 15:55 |
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| Sam-I-Am | dammit, i misplaced my coffee | 15:57 |
| TVR_ | I think I saw it in starbucks earlier | 15:58 |
| norris900_ | I finished mine :( | 15:58 |
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| stan_ivanov | Can anyone explain how to use block_device_mapping? | 16:04 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: i want to see this #@$%@#$ stuff work before i file a PR :) | 16:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | lol | 16:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm about to config nova on the controller | 16:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | getting closer to neutron :/ | 16:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | blood pressure check.. | 16:08 |
| sheldonh | grrrrr. i would kill for read-only access to a working multinode neutron deploy | 16:08 |
| sheldonh | just to see how at least one person got this stuff to work | 16:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | there are people in here who supposedly have it working | 16:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | some of them followed the unofficial grizzly instructions and just s/quantum/neutron/ | 16:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm trying the official instructions once more and finding more bugs | 16:09 |
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| Seth_ | ditching my install on centos...gonna give it a try in ubuntu :( | 16:11 |
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| sheldonh | interesting. tcpdump picks up the DHCP requests on br-int, but not on br-tun... | 16:12 |
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| Seth_ | Later | 16:17 |
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| copeland | any word yet on whether or not the keynotes will be live streamed? | 16:17 |
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| sheldonh | "Thank you all for coming. We will now reveal the location of the secret documentation." | 16:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | hahaha | 16:20 |
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| Chocobo | Reducing the size of an image is painful. | 16:30 |
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| sheldonh | what on a compute node causes dhcp requests to forward into a GRE tunnel? when i tcpdump br-tun, i see nothing | 16:31 |
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| norris900_ | openvswitch iptables do it | 16:33 |
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| norris900_ | we they are broadcast and dchp server should respond | 16:34 |
| norris900_ | well* | 16:34 |
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| sheldonh | right. so i'm seeing the dhcp broadcasts coming in from the vm on br-int. i'm just not seeing them go anywhere after that | 16:35 |
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| Sam-I-Am | if you set a static ip, does traffic at least flow? | 16:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | or is that even possible... | 16:36 |
| norris900_ | static never worked for me | 16:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | i figure there's some iptables magic that the dhcp agent does | 16:37 |
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| sheldonh | well.... i see nothing about broadcasts in filter, nat or mangle tables | 16:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | sheldonh: so did you follow the official havana instructions or something else? | 16:38 |
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| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: official | 16:44 |
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| sheldonh | well i'm confident that i understand why DHCP isn't working (nothing routes the broadcasts over the the GRE tunnels), but no idea what was supposed to do that and why it isn't doing it | 16:49 |
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| datsun180b | Is there any way to specify owners or permissions when using injected_files when I create a compute instance? | 16:51 |
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| sheldonh | ha, there's a clue. "failed to add gre-1 as port: Address family not supported by protocol" in ovs-vswitchd.log | 17:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thats interesting | 17:02 |
| epsas | Are there any reccomendations for a comprehensive dead-trees openstack reference? | 17:02 |
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| jrwren | http://www.amazon.com/OpenStack-Operations-Guide-Openstack-Foundation/dp/1300903678/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383670978&sr=8-1&keywords=openstack | 17:03 |
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| richardboswell | epsas: is that you Mr. Paul? | 17:04 |
| sheldonh | Sam-I-Am: if you run into this later, watch this as yet unanswered ask: https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/6598/gre-tunnels-not-being-created/ | 17:05 |
| achampion | Can anyone tell me what the /1234/ refers to in links, e.g. http://servers.api.openstack.org/v2/1234/servers/52415800-8b69-11e0-9b19-734fcece0043 | 17:05 |
| epsas | richardboswell - hah, yes it is :) | 17:05 |
| datsun180b | achampion: i'm guessing that's the tenant id | 17:06 |
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| richardboswell | epsas: hey man, you want access to my OneNote notebook? I have a lot of OpenStack stuff in there... | 17:06 |
| epsas | richardboswell - sure - that would probably be a good start | 17:07 |
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| richardboswell | epsas: k, gimme a sec, i'll send you an invite | 17:07 |
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| richardboswell | epsas: sent in email | 17:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | its the secret documentation :) | 17:09 |
| achampion | datsun180: thanks, the api documentation describes different behaviours across the services, e.g. glance links do not include it: "self": "/v2/images/da3b75d9-3f4a-40e7-8a2c-bfab23927dea" | 17:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ugh @ confusion between network types | 17:39 |
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| Egyptian[Laptop] | /j #linux | 17:42 |
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| richardboswell | Sam-I-Am: what's your confusion on? | 17:51 |
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| Sam-I-Am | oh, just how the documentation describes internal/external networks when configuring nova on the controller | 17:55 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the unofficial grizzly docs handle it a bit differently with novnc and novnc_proxy on the "external" network | 17:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | if i just set the directive in the official openstack havana docs, i wont be able to reach vnc because it lives on the openstack mgmt network (not routed to the internet, or in this case, the rest of the lab) | 17:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | configuring nova is where the unofficial grizzly docs and official havana docs start to take different paths | 17:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm trying to figure out where i keep going wrong when attempting to use neutron | 17:58 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i wish some of these issues were easier to explain :/ | 18:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | sheldonh: did you notice that the nova install on the controller is lacking python-novaclient? | 18:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sheldonh: well, up to 10 potential bugs in the havana docs in the second go-round | 18:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | i suspect one of these is what breaks neutron later on | 18:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | brb errands | 18:16 |
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| richardboswell | Sam-I-Am: yes, the current official documentation leaves much to be desired, I'm working on some blog posts to spell out what to do for Havana | 18:19 |
| Qlawy | agree | 18:21 |
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| Qlawy | but still is much better than nothing | 18:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | richardboswell: excellent :) | 19:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | Qlawy: well, i'm, trying to help at least by submitting bugs/fixes | 19:48 |
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| Sam-I-Am | richardboswell: i think its pretty good until neutron | 19:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | a couple of diagrams like this would help ... http://tinyurl.com/mt8ds4s | 19:52 |
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| occup4nt | can anyone say what "handoff requested" means in the swift proxy logs? The only thing I can find regarding "handoff" in swift is the object servers, and the client IP that is being logged isn't even part of my swift infrastructure, so I'm kind of puzzled. | 21:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sheldonh: well, i'm about where i was before. this time... a whole new selection of indeterminate errors. | 21:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | sheldonh: still not close to being able to fire up an VM... plenty of errors spewing from the network node | 21:29 |
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| * lupine installs the openstack for a play | 21:30 | |
| Sam-I-Am | lupine: going to use neutron? | 21:31 |
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| lupine | I... don't know what that is ;) | 21:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | if so, you might want to install the booze module first :) | 21:32 |
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| * lupine is starting from a couple of wheezy VMs and will go from there | 21:34 | |
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| Sam-I-Am | well, this is my second shot at following the official havana docs and got into the weeds with neutron again | 21:35 |
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| Sam-I-Am | half of me wants to keep bashing my head on the desk and file bug reports/fixes against the docs... the other half of me wants to try following the unofficial docs for grizzly... and the other half wants to see if the official docs even work without neutron (three halves) | 21:36 |
| lupine | I'm slowly approaching the decision that storage isn't really something we should be doing from first principles ourselves, although I think we're a bit more featureful than the openstack stuff at present | 21:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | problem is my project is centered on neutron | 21:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | so installing without would just be a proof of concept that the official docs work for that | 21:36 |
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| Sam-I-Am | lupine: who is "we" ? | 21:37 |
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| lupine | that may be a secret, I don't know | 21:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | ha | 21:38 |
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| lupine | if it is, then it's going to be very badly kepty | 21:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, if it was up to me, and i was emc/netapp/hds/ibm, i would write an openstack api interface for cinder and swift... or something. | 21:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | but we could be talking about two different things | 21:39 |
| lupine | providing remote discs for VMs | 21:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | remote discs? | 21:40 |
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| lupine | i.e., on a separate physical server | 21:40 |
| lupine | what we've got now works well and has live migration and redundancy, but it takes up a lot of my time | 21:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | so... just a box that serves up storage and nothing else? | 21:41 |
| lupine | aye | 21:41 |
| lupine | apparently the openstack storage bit can be used standalone | 21:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, a cinder node or something... its just openiscsi or somesuch | 21:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | or it can use anything that speaks iscsi | 21:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i had cinder talking to an iscsi san box one day | 21:41 |
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| lupine | mm, since it doesn't seem to have live migration, I need to evaluate how its redundancy stuff works | 21:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | cinder, you mean? | 21:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | i guess iscsi and block storage in general poses problems with transparent migration | 21:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | although vmware manages it pretty well | 21:44 |
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| lupine | mm, we use nbd right now | 21:46 |
| lupine | that takes some trickery | 21:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'd just like a working installation at this point | 21:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | i've fried about 3 weeks on this | 21:48 |
| lupine | by 'eck | 21:48 |
| lupine | for the whole stack? | 21:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 21:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, stack w/ neutron specifically | 21:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | i filed a half-dozen or so bugs against the official docs the first go-around, and now i have about 18 waiting to file on the second go-around | 21:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | i can tell when something isnt right, or vague, but i dont know exactly whats breaking my stuff | 21:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | i need to find anne and determine the best way to file all of these things without making a mess | 21:50 |
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| larsks | Sam-I-Am: Is everything other than networking pretty much working? | 21:51 |
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| Sam-I-Am | well, i dont know... because i can't launch an instance without networking operational | 21:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | keystone works, glance works, nova seems to work | 21:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | the first go-around, i kept getting some obscure RPC timeout on the compute node when trying to configure the network for a VM | 21:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | this time... eh... i'm apparently in a different field of weeds | 21:54 |
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| Sam-I-Am | what i'd really like is a known good installation guide that includes neutron | 21:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | that seems to be where things take a dive | 21:56 |
| richardboswell | Sam-I-Am: I'm looking at the IRC log but I don't seem to see your actual Neutron issue...what is it? | 21:56 |
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| richardboswell | (outside of the fact that the docs sux) | 21:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | richardboswell: the problem i spent all last week on and couldnt fix... its blown away now. i decided to rebuild the controller and network nodes as snapshottable VMs so i could rollback on this second try. | 21:57 |
| richardboswell | oh ok | 21:57 |
| richardboswell | got it | 21:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | one sec, i think its mentioned on ask.openstack ... | 21:57 |
| richardboswell | well if you need any help this time let me know | 21:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/6226/error-deploying-vms-in-havana-timeout-while-waiting-on-rpc-response/ | 21:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats more or less what i was getting | 21:58 |
| lupine | hmm, no flat-file backend? | 21:58 |
| richardboswell | gimme a sec, looking now | 21:58 |
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| lupine | possibly sane, actually | 21:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | and nowhere could i find what was timing out. i think the compute node was tossing stuff into rabbitmq and then not getting a response | 21:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | i wish debugging rabbitmq was a little easier | 21:59 |
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| richardboswell | eh, it's all about the logs...did you by any chance post the error message to pastebin? | 22:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | richardboswell: yeah, i did... but i have no idea what that url is anymore | 22:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | i kind of wrote it off :/ | 22:00 |
| richardboswell | ok | 22:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | theres a good chance i'll run across those errors again | 22:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | richardboswell: do you have any solid docs for installing havana? | 22:01 |
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| richardboswell | the link "smells" like a config error...which are frustrating as hell | 22:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | or at least the neutron part | 22:01 |
| richardboswell | not really, like I said i'm in the middle of trying to build some on my blog but I got pulled away to rebuild a client's Grizzly environment from scratch | 22:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm sure it is a config error... likely something missing from the docs, possibly well before neutron gets installed. i just havent figured out what yet. | 22:01 |
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| richardboswell | the client came back today though and asked for an additional Havana environment so hopefully I can use that build to refine my docs and then post them | 22:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's an unofficial grizzly install doc (references quantum instead of neutron) and it contains plenty of things not mentioned in the official havana docs | 22:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm halfway tempted to try it with havana | 22:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | most of the dozen+ bugs i have waiting to file question those missing bits | 22:03 |
| richardboswell | i used it to build my docs...i've pieced together a somewhat working doc from several others | 22:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | did it mostly work? | 22:04 |
| richardboswell | yep | 22:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the other thing i dont know... my first attempt involved combining the network/controller nodes due to lack of resources... and two nics rather than three. | 22:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | this time around i vm'd them, so i can have any number of hosts/nics | 22:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont think the controller/network nodes mind being VM'd | 22:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | at least for a test environment | 22:05 |
| richardboswell | most of my clients are running all of the services as VMs vs. physical | 22:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | just out of curiosity, are those bare VM environments using kvm or something else? | 22:07 |
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| richardboswell | yep, they are on KVM in almost all cases | 22:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | what do you use as a config 'wrapper' for kvm... virt-manager... or just the cli tools? | 22:08 |
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| richardboswell | both, virt-manager for adding/removing devices, virsh for overall control | 22:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ah, coo | 22:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i've been using vmware, mostly because i have a free license for the lab... but want to use kvm at some point | 22:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | i hear openstack can control esx compute nodes... which is also important to my project | 22:09 |
| richardboswell | I ran all VMware in a former life | 22:09 |
| richardboswell | yep it can | 22:09 |
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| richardboswell | nova-compute and nova-api interact with the VIM API | 22:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | and if you werent around when i mentioned it, my ultimate goal here is to have neutron controlling vxlan/vtep on sdn-aware brocade VDX switches | 22:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | get the dirty work done and roll up something that i can deliver to customers with a variety of components | 22:10 |
| richardboswell | oh ok | 22:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | figure if i can get neutron working with vlan/gre, understand it really well, trying to get it working with vxlan/vtep wont be tooooo bad | 22:11 |
| richardboswell | with regards to the brocades...are you looking at having the Neutron plugin control them or via OpenFlow/OpenDaylight? | 22:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | could be either way. for now probably neutron since opendaylight hasnt released official code yet | 22:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm still waiting for brocade to clarify what they prefer | 22:12 |
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| ekarlso- | Sam-I-Am: what yo uworking on ? | 22:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | i heard they have a neutron plugin, but its only on redhat... which... bleh. | 22:12 |
| richardboswell | got it | 22:12 |
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| ekarlso- | who has only a plugin at redhat ? | 22:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | i need another distro like i need a hole in the head | 22:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ekarlso-: somewhere i heard that whatever brocade is testing, the plugin only has an rpm package | 22:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | not like i can't repackage it.. | 22:13 |
| ekarlso- | Sam-I-Am: opendaylight plugin ? | 22:13 |
| ekarlso- | or ? | 22:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | i thought i heard neutron... kind of like the openvswitch plugin | 22:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | i havent touched opendaylight yet | 22:14 |
| ekarlso- | Sam-I-Am: what you talking about ? | 22:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | ekarlso-: getting neutron to manage vxlan/vtep on a brocade vdx switch | 22:14 |
| ekarlso- | Sam-I-Am: if it's a rpm package | 22:14 |
| ekarlso- | it's dead easy | 22:14 |
| ekarlso- | rpm2cpio or what it's called again | 22:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | oh, right | 22:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | could be some library issues, but i'll deal with those eventually | 22:15 |
| ekarlso- | and just copy the python files over to the right place then just set it ... | 22:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm waiting to get some details back from brocade... they're being a bit slow | 22:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so my goal here is to build a reproducable openstack installation using various components for compute/storage/network... kind of like a reference design | 22:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so openstack+esx+brocade+emc or openstack+kvm+brocade+netapp | 22:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm primarily the network guy on this project, hence the involvement with neutron | 22:17 |
| ekarlso- | Sam-I-Am: who you doing this for ? P:p | 22:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | ultimately, brocade | 22:17 |
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| ekarlso- | you working for brocade Sam-I-Am ? | 22:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | but i work for an integrator who comes up with reference designs | 22:18 |
| ekarlso- | mirantis ? :p | 22:18 |
| lupine | 2013-11-05 22:18:25.953 7955 CRITICAL cinder [-] invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'dpkg-reconfigure' | 22:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i dont work directly for brocade, but thats where my paycheck comes from | 22:18 |
| lupine | well, there's a good start | 22:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ekarlso-: arrow ecs | 22:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | lupine: oooops | 22:19 |
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| lupine | the packages make this happen: ./cinder.conf:1779:sql_connection = postgresql://cindercommon:dpkg-reconfigure | 22:19 |
| ekarlso- | checkout EMC ViPR Sam-I-Am | 22:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | ekarlso-: i was just talking with my emc guys about that | 22:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | and how it may integrate with openstack | 22:20 |
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| ekarlso- | Sam-I-Am: I think they have a cinder plugin... | 22:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | i want to have a couple of working storage options | 22:21 |
| ekarlso- | well | 22:21 |
| ekarlso- | you can do | 22:21 |
| ekarlso- | cinder > vipr > multiple storage backends or just cinder > storage | 22:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | i was told vipr isnt really available yet | 22:21 |
| lupine | wonder what the difference between connection= and sql_connection= is | 22:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | but i can go poke my storage guys again since that's their component | 22:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | lupine: good question, i've seen that a couple of times | 22:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | from what i can tell, most components support either one | 22:22 |
| ekarlso- | Sam-I-Am: or if you wanna do something newstyle | 22:22 |
| ekarlso- | go grab coraid | 22:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | that was something i tried changing when neutron was broken | 22:22 |
| ekarlso- | and 10gbe | 22:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | mmm coraid. i used that stuff about 7 years ago | 22:22 |
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| ekarlso- | Sam-I-Am: did they even exist back then ? :) | 22:22 |
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| Sam-I-Am | problem is my company doesnt sell it, so i cant justify spending time on it | 22:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, they did... and it was a really slick solution | 22:23 |
| richardboswell | lupine: are you working on havana? | 22:23 |
| ekarlso- | ah | 22:23 |
| ekarlso- | founded in 2000 | 22:23 |
| lupine | seems so | 22:23 |
| ekarlso- | what you selling then Sam-I-Am ? | 22:24 |
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| richardboswell | lupine: there's an open bug (or a couple) for Neutron and maybe Cinder since they switched to sql_connection vs. connection | 22:24 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ekarlso-: brocade, juniper, emc, netapp, hds, ibm, vmware, vyatta (now brocade), and a variety of security appliances that run as VMs for IaaS/PaaS | 22:25 |
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| ekarlso- | vyatta is ... bleh | 22:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | richardboswell: so sql_connection is the new way? | 22:25 |
| ekarlso- | they killed vyatta as a opensource project :( | 22:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | ug, yeah :/ | 22:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | software routing isnt new... i ran openbsd for production firewalls back in 2003 | 22:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | would be nice to see an openbsd image for IaaS | 22:27 |
| ekarlso- | Sam-I-Am: they killed it by changing the routing stack away from quagga to some propriatary shit :p | 22:27 |
| ekarlso- | it was like the best opensource routing platform atm and now dead :p | 22:28 |
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| ekarlso- | good going brocade ^ | 22:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | i wonder if that was to get better performance | 22:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | at least thats what i'm hearing | 22:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | i havent used the 'pay' version of vyatta yet | 22:28 |
| ekarlso- | heh :p | 22:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | i know my little ubiquiti edgerouter uses it | 22:29 |
| ekarlso- | it does :) | 22:29 |
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| ekarlso- | so what stuff would you recommend for a web hosting company in terms of hardware ? | 22:29 |
| ekarlso- | it needs to be HP servers ^ | 22:29 |
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| Corey | ekarlso-: I'd argue it doesn't much matter; hosting is a commodity driven business. | 22:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm a fan of the hp chassis stuff... depends on your density requirements | 22:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | but i cant imagine ibm chassis being that much differentiated | 22:30 |
| ekarlso- | hp chassis ? | 22:30 |
| ekarlso- | blades ? | 22:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, the c7000 | 22:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 22:30 |
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| ekarlso- | why blades and not pizzas | 22:30 |
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| lupine | local cindercommon cindercommon trust | 22:31 |
| lupine | you know it | 22:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'd say density, efficiency, and redundancy | 22:31 |
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| richardboswell | Sam-I-Am: possibly, it seems that it still depends on the specific service | 22:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah thats why it depends... | 22:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont know the environment | 22:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | in mine, blades currently makes sense | 22:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | its a whole lot less wiring | 22:32 |
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| croy | Hello all, openstack newbie here, trying to set up havana, I've configured qpid and keystone, working on the swift proxy server. I'm at the point of running 'swift -V 2.0 -A $OS_AUTH_URL -U demo:admin -K $ADMINPASS stat' to test and I'm getting a 403 error. | 22:36 |
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| croy | I believe that I have the users admin and swift configured properly in the admin and service tenants. | 22:36 |
| croy | I have keystone and swift-proxy running separate machines... | 22:36 |
| croy | Using the --debug param I see that I'm getting a token back from keystone but the subsequent curl to they proxy server fails with the 403 | 22:36 |
| croy | Is qpid messaging involved at this point? | 22:36 |
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| croy | Am I asking in the correct channel? | 22:37 |
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| Sam-I-Am | probably the right channel, but over my head :) | 22:38 |
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| croy | Thx :) | 22:38 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i havent messed with swift yet | 22:39 |
| richardboswell | croy: is the keystone endpoint correct? | 22:40 |
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| lupine | hmm, I've got cinder installed - do I really need keystone as well, or can I stub out the auth parts? | 22:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | keystone only needs to run in one place, right? | 22:41 |
| lupine | sure, but I'd rather not run it at all | 22:42 |
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| richardboswell | eh, why not? | 22:42 |
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| lupine | because 'Standalone volume API available' is a feature | 22:43 |
| richardboswell | but what does that have to do with Keystone? | 22:44 |
| croy | richardboswell: I think so, when I copy/paste the curl call that fails and run i directly it seems to succeed | 22:44 |
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| richardboswell | I would check it, Keystone passes the service URI back with the token and I believe that's what most of the services use as their target (in this case python-swiftclient) | 22:45 |
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| lupine | well, cinder client seems to require --os-username, --os-password and --os-auth-url, which I assumed were all keystone-related | 22:46 |
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| lupine | ah well, in it goes | 22:53 |
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| Sam-I-Am | for smoother installs... | 22:54 |
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| croy | richardboswell: I'm running swift with --debug so I can see the curl commands then the requests and responses, when I paste the curl command that gets the 403 error, it succeeds, for example if I issue a swift ... list I see via tcpdump that the storage nodes all receive and return packets and the curl command displays the headers and a body of [] which I would think is correct as I've not been able to upload any files. | 22:54 |
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| croy | I'm running the command with the admin username, tenant and password, interestingly enough in the response, along with the token, and endpoint data, etc, I see "metadata": {"is_admin": 0, "roles": ["2ad2d547c7654e43b511173d669f97e6"]}, which is the admin role | 23:01 |
| croy | same result when trying with the swift user, password and services tenant, where swift has admin role | 23:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | lol | 23:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | ugh, well, libvirt apparently wont start | 23:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | or... something | 23:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | getting a New and Unique error message | 23:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ok, think i found that problem | 23:52 |
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