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| Sam-I-Am | daMaestro: sup | 00:10 |
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| daMaestro | Sam-I-Am, yo; just hacking away on openshift | 00:12 |
| daMaestro | trying to see how far i can push plone performance on a single gear | 00:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | cool | 00:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hacking on vacation? | 00:13 |
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| daMaestro | kinda, i'm basically rewriting plone.recipe.varnish and i'm not certain i'll be able to maintain backwards compatibility with all the stuff i wan to do | 00:14 |
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| daMaestro | so far i've been able to, but i just changed some headers, but they are not headers that someone should have been using on an application layer, so i should be okay | 00:14 |
| daMaestro | Sam-I-Am, yup; and learning as much about the openshift as possible | 00:14 |
| daMaestro | so i can make an informed decision about it | 00:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | sounds like a fun vaca :/ | 00:15 |
| daMaestro | it actually is :-D | 00:15 |
| daMaestro | i don't get to do this much day to day anymore | 00:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i can see that | 00:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | i took it somewhat easy today | 00:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | did some 180 power offs in the RG, dug the plane i'm hopefully taking tomorrow out of several inches of ice | 00:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | not sure my hands are going to thaw | 00:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | daMaestro: i find my vacation nerd projects these days dont usually involve computers | 00:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | not as much as the past | 00:20 |
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| daMaestro | Sam-I-Am, i'm not traveling yet so i have about a week to do some hacking on stuff | 00:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | where do you usually travel to | 00:33 |
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| daMaestro | let's take this out of channel, we are off /topic | 00:33 |
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| occupant | yeah, wouldn't want to interrupt the lively conversation that's always taking place here | 00:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hahaha | 00:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | it comes and goes | 00:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | kind of quiet now | 00:39 |
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| mrproper | Hey Sam-I-Am | 00:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | yo | 00:56 |
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| mrproper | How ya doin? | 00:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | not bad. filing paperwork. piles got too big. | 00:58 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i have very exciting friday nights | 00:59 |
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| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: Like I'm any better? | 01:20 |
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| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: Did you see the RDO forum is moving to the openstack site | 01:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | oh, nope | 01:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: i thought you were going out partying all weekend | 01:22 |
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| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: I basically never party. | 01:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | not even nerd parties? | 01:23 |
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| mrproper | No, but I've been thinking of finding some. | 01:23 |
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| mrproper | An OpenStack orgy would be great. Everyone poking at OpenStack for a weekend! | 01:23 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sounds gross lol | 01:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | dont think theres much openstack activity here | 01:24 |
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| mrproper | Yeah not really. | 01:26 |
| mrproper | I'm thinking about a user group | 01:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | i might start neutron anonymous | 01:27 |
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| mrproper | I would join that quickly | 01:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | you get to work on your install today? | 01:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | or hear any more about those questions you posted | 01:28 |
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| mrproper | Not at all. | 01:29 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i was out of the loop all day | 01:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | probably dive back in on monday | 01:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | need to file some rdo bugs/suggestions, file a pile more doc bugs | 01:31 |
| mrproper | I did hear back a little bit...here | 01:31 |
| mrproper | http://openstack.redhat.com/forum/discussion/927/br-exeth0-mapping-isnt-saved#Item_6 | 01:32 |
| mrproper | Do you think something about the order interfaces come up is breaking the br-ex and eth0 mapping? Like...OpenStack coming up before networking so it fails? | 01:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | more like ovs coming up before the interface, but that seems weird | 01:33 |
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| mrproper | It does, but it's an idea | 01:34 |
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| Sam-I-Am | pretty sure my ubuntu/manual boxes keep their vswitch configs | 01:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | should watch the box come up and see when it brings up ovs and networking | 01:35 |
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| mrproper | That means I need to take out the other laptop | 01:35 |
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| mrproper | I am going to see which order the network comes up compared to ovs | 01:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok | 01:46 |
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| mrproper | Do you happen to listen to any podcasts with John Siracuzza | 01:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | no, whos that? | 01:49 |
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| Sam-I-Am | might also check the ovs logs | 01:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | might tell you what its thinking | 01:50 |
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| mrproper | Dude | 01:51 |
| mrproper | It does bring up OVS before eth0 | 01:51 |
| mrproper | He's on a lot of Mac podcasts. His personality is very similar to mine. | 01:51 |
| mrproper | Analytical, critical, kind of dull | 01:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | ha | 01:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | isnt that any geek? | 01:51 |
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| mrproper | To a point | 01:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'd look at the ovs logs to confirm its unhappy about that, then check the ordering in init | 01:52 |
| mrproper | Yeah | 01:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont know a whole lot about ovs internals, but it doesnt make sense to me that it comes up first | 01:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | probably something to ask first in the rdo forum, or even in here if you can find some redhat folks... | 01:53 |
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| mrproper | I'm not seeing anything obvious in the log but it's possible it should say it and it's not. | 01:56 |
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| Sam-I-Am | shocker | 01:57 |
| mrproper | like..maybe it only says it when it binds and not when it fails | 01:57 |
| daMaestro | Sam-I-Am, have you used ceph yet? is anyone using ceph in production? | 01:58 |
| daMaestro | we are seriously looking at it for block storage | 01:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | i hear murmurs about ceph in here, but i dont use it | 01:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | you keep making my list longer of things i need to try :) | 01:59 |
| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: How about heroine or something life ruining? | 01:59 |
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| daMaestro | i did a POC of ceph but have not merged those changes into our lab or prod clusters | 01:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | in my organization i was hoping the storage guys would experiment with those things, but we'll see | 01:59 |
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| daMaestro | don't storage guys just go to vendors and buy SANs, have the ops guys run the FC fibers and then configure LUNs per work orders? | 02:00 |
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| daMaestro | isn't that how it goes? | 02:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | lol | 02:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | you sure dont like LUNs | 02:00 |
| daMaestro | not managing them, no | 02:00 |
| daMaestro | if it's all automatic, i don't really care as long as it works | 02:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | if only i had all day every week to dedicate to this stuff | 02:01 |
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| daMaestro | and there is always, always that one user that decides to run bonnie or ioperf or iozone or something and pisses off the SAN | 02:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | with neutron working and most of the docs bugs fixed, i'll probably play with cinder next | 02:02 |
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| * daMaestro is one of those users. | 02:02 | |
| daMaestro | i could not get a cx4 to go over 185MB/s, no matter the workload | 02:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | heh, i did that inadvertently when my sysadmin moved zenoss to a VM backed by a cheap ass NAS | 02:02 |
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| daMaestro | i came to findout i was really pissing off the datawarehouse engineers because i was destroying the raid group caching performance | 02:03 |
| daMaestro | so everything was off disk, not cache lol | 02:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | he was unhappy when every 5 minutes zenoss wrote to a ton of tiny rrd files and caused the nas to block | 02:03 |
| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: Oh...that guy doesn't really drink either, which is very me. | 02:03 |
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| daMaestro | luckly i was doing perf tuning *for them* so they ended up not complaining in the long-term | 02:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | nice | 02:04 |
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| daMaestro | ummm don't store rrd on NAS, you are crazy | 02:04 |
| daMaestro | the round trip time is too high | 02:04 |
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| daMaestro | you must have not had that many data points | 02:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | it was his idea. i was using das before. | 02:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | i was like ummmm... no? | 02:04 |
| daMaestro | we poll at 60 second intervals, and flush millions of rrd updates per minute | 02:05 |
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| daMaestro | for a while we had to run a ramdisk that would be asynced to a raid-10 15k 6 disk array | 02:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | i had 500 or so network devices with all interfaces plus a handful of system oids being polled every 5 minutes | 02:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | this was also before rrdcached | 02:06 |
| daMaestro | is rrdcached default now with zenoss? | 02:06 |
| daMaestro | i'm not sure if we are running it | 02:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | i believe it is... at least on 4.2 whatever | 02:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | zenoss performs a lot better on less hardware than it did a couple of years ago | 02:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | still a hog though | 02:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | but i cant find anything better | 02:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | so even with maybe 30 devices in my lab i still find it worth the time to deploy | 02:08 |
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| daMaestro | yeah, zenoss is the way to go; we are running it with distributed collectors too so we got it to really scale | 02:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thats what i did when i had all those devices | 02:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | its just one box in the lab.. actually VM with das | 02:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | its saved me thousands of dollars or more when i went through a period of constantly failing air conditioners | 02:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | now i have over a year of a/c performance data including temps, humidities, compressor info, volts, amps, etc | 02:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | the maintenance guys love the reports | 02:14 |
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| kseifried | I'm always surprised servers don't have those built in | 02:16 |
| kseifried | but I guess pennies count | 02:16 |
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| kseifried | daiscsi is so 2000, you want GLuster =) | 02:18 |
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| kseifried | daMaestro, rather | 02:18 |
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| daMaestro | ha! gluster... | 02:19 |
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| kseifried | it scales and it's pretty affordable | 02:20 |
| kseifried | I may be biased, been using it for a few years | 02:20 |
| daMaestro | i'm very familiar (maintained the packages and still own them in fedora/epel) | 02:20 |
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| daMaestro | i had a 600TB gluster cluster running at one point | 02:20 |
| kseifried | daMaestro, ahhh thoguht your name looked familiar | 02:20 |
| daMaestro | that is about when it fell down | 02:20 |
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| kseifried | that is sad | 02:21 |
| kseifried | what file system? xfs? | 02:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm a fan of xfs | 02:21 |
| daMaestro | hey now, the cluster started at 1.x and then 2.x and i finally made a move after seeing issues moving to 3.0.x | 02:21 |
| daMaestro | yeah, xfs on EL5 | 02:22 |
| daMaestro | which was part of the issue | 02:22 |
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| daMaestro | we had some distribute paths go bubye due to unrecoverable inode issues | 02:22 |
| kseifried | ouch | 02:22 |
| daMaestro | we were able to get that data off the bricks directly, but i had to write recovery code for that | 02:22 |
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| kseifried | I did run into the to much file touching/mods make older gluster go baibai | 02:23 |
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| daMaestro | yup, the latest 3.x looks much better, i've not written it off; we just moved to something else for our largest storage clusters | 02:23 |
| kseifried | I just wish they'd get that encryption plugin written sometime soon | 02:23 |
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| daMaestro | what? the rot13 not good enough for you? | 02:23 |
| daMaestro | i enabled that on a test cluster to be able to say i did. | 02:24 |
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| kseifried | hehehe | 02:24 |
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| kseifried | be nice for a service provider, then you don't have worry about the secure wipe | 02:24 |
| daMaestro | it's come a long way and i'll likely look to use it for some upcoming projects where a shared docroot for httpd is going to be needed | 02:24 |
| kseifried | yeah I use that a lot, thank *** for it | 02:25 |
| kseifried | wordpress is so damn retarded | 02:25 |
| daMaestro | wow, you have the same usecase as us; lol | 02:25 |
| kseifried | "I need a database. anything will do. as long as it's mysql. oh and a file system" | 02:25 |
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| kseifried | but I want you to run on more than one server.. rerhrhrhghrhghhhh!!! | 02:25 |
| daMaestro | we've stuck all that stuff on single instances, so it's not ideal | 02:25 |
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| daMaestro | can't scale it, etc | 02:26 |
| kseifried | daMaestro, cloudsecurityalliance.org, docroots are all a gluster replicated thing | 02:26 |
| daMaestro | but whatever | 02:26 |
| kseifried | works sooooooo well | 02:26 |
| kseifried | uptime went from like 99.5% to 100% | 02:26 |
| daMaestro | yeah, i know of a lot of gluster shops ;-) | 02:26 |
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| kseifried | and the last major aws failure knocked out half the servers, worked fine | 02:26 |
| kseifried | I will NEVER serve content off a local file system again | 02:27 |
| daMaestro | we just outgrew it for our current usecase for single namespace storage | 02:27 |
| kseifried | that's just crazy | 02:27 |
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| kseifried | oh yeah | 02:27 |
| kseifried | namespace. fun. namespace problems are hard. let's go shopping. | 02:27 |
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| daMaestro | yeah, we are at 1.5PB now and all applications are written to a posix interface | 02:27 |
| daMaestro | there are a couple of apps that are using a storage api, but not enough; lol | 02:28 |
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| kseifried | daMaestro, BTW why epel/fedora packages behinf gluster.org, just lack of time? | 02:28 |
| daMaestro | i stopped maintaining them when redhat bought gluster, they now have a full time person in charge of that | 02:29 |
| kseifried | we do? | 02:29 |
| daMaestro | i've delegated that responsibility | 02:29 |
| kseifried | then why are they out of date. grrr. | 02:29 |
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| daMaestro | ping kkeithley in #gluster | 02:30 |
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| kseifried | oh we do. weird. | 02:30 |
| kseifried | yeah kk. weird. | 02:30 |
| daMaestro | once the rpc incompatibility issues were stabilized (i think that was in 3.1) it made it so we could usually push out all updates to both epel and fedora | 02:31 |
| daMaestro | but epel is always a little more sensitive | 02:31 |
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| kseifried | either way I'm just happy to have free magic file system replication sauce | 02:32 |
| daMaestro | when i started maintaining them, they were at 1.2 ... oh man, i got some hatemail when i pushed 2.x ;-) | 02:32 |
| daMaestro | (polite, but still hatemail) | 02:32 |
| kseifried | yeah, 3.4. now has that binary version doohickey thing | 02:32 |
| kseifried | which I guess they'll use in future to help compat | 02:32 |
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| kseifried | long term I assume every protocol/REST api/SOAP/etc will have a version /capabilities info | 02:33 |
| kseifried | and everything will be outsourced-service-as-a-service-as-a-service | 02:33 |
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| kseifried | and my kids will think I'm crazy when I try to explain static apps that don't need network connectivity | 02:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | lol | 02:34 |
| kseifried | I literally remember when a computr was useful without being online | 02:34 |
| kseifried | that was along time ago no | 02:34 |
| kseifried | w | 02:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | yes it was | 02:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | now what happens if you can't get on the internet | 02:34 |
| kseifried | I go to my starbucks/parents | 02:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont even have DVDs anymore... they're on the network somewhere | 02:35 |
| kseifried | if that fails I go play with my kids or drink | 02:35 |
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| kseifried | Sam-I-Am, : I discovered that all the kids shows are on youtube for free | 02:35 |
| * Sam-I-Am thinks about the order of those things | 02:35 | |
| kseifried | the world is awesome | 02:35 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i havent taken a computer-free vacation in a long time | 02:36 |
| kseifried | why would ytou? it would suck | 02:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | but now that also means leaving my phone and tablet home | 02:36 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i expect some withdrawal symptoms | 02:37 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i suspect people would assume i'm dead or something | 02:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | it could be bad | 02:37 |
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| kseifried | I managed to go almost 24 hours this year | 02:37 |
| kseifried | more to the point why give it up if it feels good :P | 02:37 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i do a few things not related to the internet | 02:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | but they're discussed in plenty of forums i'm addicted to | 02:39 |
| kseifried | yeah me too. and then I go on the internet to make sure life is ok ;) | 02:39 |
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| kseifried | I'm so envious of my kids, they have evberything they want, immediately | 02:39 |
| kseifried | bilingual tickle me elmos, toy robots that aren't really toys, etc. | 02:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | i see one year olds playing with tablets and think... wow | 02:40 |
| kseifried | I had to teach my kids that not all screens are touch screens | 02:40 |
| daMaestro | kseifried, Sam-I-Am ... my only escape used to be on flights, and it's looking like that will no longer be the case | 02:40 |
| kseifried | they keep smacking the tv | 02:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | haha | 02:40 |
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| kseifried | so I'm buythem a pc but it has to be touch screen or they'll smash it | 02:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | i was a little angered by the fact that my new tv has to "boot up" | 02:40 |
| kseifried | Sam-I-Am, : they just turned 3 | 02:40 |
| kseifried | iphones/ipads/computers with touch screens at the museum/etc | 02:41 |
| kseifried | to them, literally everything is a touchscreen by default | 02:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | i had toy trucks and legos when i was a kid | 02:41 |
| kseifried | they have that too | 02:41 |
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| kseifried | I;'m about to start investing in the leaopfrog ecosystem | 02:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | openstack kind of reminds me of legos | 02:41 |
| kseifried | yah | 02:42 |
| kseifried | hurts to step on it | 02:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | is it bad that i still take them out from time to time? | 02:42 |
| kseifried | take them to a computer store and it'll be ok | 02:42 |
| daMaestro | lincoln logs., legos have too stable and standardized of interfaces | 02:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | ha | 02:43 |
| kseifried | daMaestro, which is awesome. I bought 140lbs of duplo/lego online, it all works | 02:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | anyone remember construx and capsela? | 02:43 |
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| kseifried | I built an awesome crain, I never had capsula, my friend did | 02:43 |
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| kseifried | crane | 02:43 |
| daMaestro | i just built two erector set RC cars :-D | 02:43 |
| kseifried | daMaestro, I checked, erector sets are... way to expensive now | 02:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | i didnt know that was still around | 02:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | legos got expensive | 02:44 |
| kseifried | Sam-I-Am, it is awesome, but like... wayyyy pricey | 02:44 |
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| daMaestro | one crash and you have to do minor repairs, but we were also attempting to break them so i suppose that is neither here nor there | 02:44 |
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| kseifried | you can buy lego on ebay cheap | 02:44 |
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| kseifried | well. cheaper. | 02:44 |
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| Sam-I-Am | all of my hobbies just got more expensive as i got older | 02:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | daMaestro: you looking forward to having people yack on their phones on airplanes? | 02:46 |
| kseifried | they also got more awesome. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUtS52lqL5w | 02:46 |
| kseifried | so | 02:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | oh.. my.. | 02:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | legos never did that when i had them | 02:47 |
| kseifried | dealextreme.com, search for "jammer" | 02:47 |
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| daMaestro | um, no. general population has no idea how to be technology polite; so you can either escalate (talk at them, in their conversation is usually what i've done) or yeah what kseifried is inferring | 02:47 |
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| Sam-I-Am | kseifried: nothing returnd | 02:48 |
| kseifried | yeah so.... it used to be someone did something annoying, you went over to them and pointed it out, and they went "oh my, I'm so sorry, I shall stop immediately!" | 02:48 |
| kseifried | now? I just call the cops/turn a jammer on/etc. | 02:48 |
| kseifried | Sam-I-Am, : WHAA? that' ssad. | 02:48 |
| kseifried | well you can find them online, they're like 20-40$ for a pocket sized one | 02:49 |
| daMaestro | i've had some interesting responses from jumping into annoying peoples conversations while they are on the phone around me when i can't just walk away, such as a plane | 02:49 |
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| Sam-I-Am | flying myself places might become more popular | 02:49 |
| kseifried | http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=RDEMlpiey20b8&v=M7FIvfx5J10 | 02:49 |
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| Sam-I-Am | theres no internet access up there, but i still have my trusty ipad | 02:49 |
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| Sam-I-Am | all of my charts, books, manuals, etc... crammed into this tiny electronic device | 02:50 |
| daMaestro | getting into their conversation is usually more work then it's worth (and escalates) so i've resorted to just having a conversation with myself at a loud enough of a volume it interferes with their phone conversation | 02:50 |
| kseifried | are airhorns allowed on planes? | 02:50 |
| kseifried | or no pressurized canisters? | 02:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | so you're telling us that you talk to yourself? | 02:50 |
| daMaestro | it either results in them thinking i'm crazy and moving to somewhere else or wanting to fight, so i'm about 50/50 right now in discouraging stoopid people | 02:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | kseifried: whistle? | 02:51 |
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| kseifried | .... that's a thought | 02:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | the tsa probably wont cavity search you for it | 02:52 |
| kseifried | what you need is portable directional sound | 02:52 |
| kseifried | so you can annoy just the one person | 02:52 |
| daMaestro | now, we just need to find a tone that humans can't quite hear but cellphone mics pickup and the audio codec compresses into something humans can hear so it's extremely annoying on the other side | 02:53 |
| kseifried | and not everyone else | 02:53 |
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| Sam-I-Am | daMaestro: nerd | 02:53 |
| daMaestro | it's non-illegal phone interference ;-) | 02:53 |
| kseifried | wait | 02:54 |
| mrproper | kseifried: Are you able to help with RDO? | 02:54 |
| daMaestro | who knows, it could be the next captain crunch tone | 02:54 |
| kseifried | on a plane how do roaming fees work? | 02:54 |
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| kseifried | or is it just more "we rape you pay kthxbai"? | 02:54 |
| kseifried | like I don't have "international waters" on my plan | 02:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm guessing planes will grow microcells since the ground network wont work | 02:54 |
| kseifried | no I get that | 02:54 |
| kseifried | which country do they rape us with | 02:54 |
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| kseifried | does it switch on the flight halfway? | 02:54 |
| daMaestro | kseifried, depends on if they go with microcell or not. if so, it's going to be extreme roaming ($1/minute international style) | 02:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | remember airphones? | 02:55 |
| daMaestro | i'd gamble it will be a flat rate based on the microcell carrier | 02:55 |
| kseifried | one nice thing is that can take thsose stupid phones off the back of the seat that noone uses | 02:55 |
| daMaestro | yeah, that much ^ | 02:55 |
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| Sam-I-Am | going to be interesting to see how it plays out, if it plays out | 02:56 |
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| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: Those logs don't show the eth0 binding happening | 02:57 |
| kseifried | it iwll happen, remtocell = lighter/cheaper than all that crap in seats,, and everyone has a cell so no adoption barrier | 02:57 |
| kseifried | PLUS | 02:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | whats worse, crying and screaming kids or people on phones | 02:57 |
| daMaestro | it's gonna be funny though, you basically have a captive audience and if you get their phones to connect to you (as they will actively be trying to get service) ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firesheep and the like | 02:57 |
| daMaestro | lol | 02:57 |
| kseifried | you're not aware of call cost like when you whip out your cc | 02:57 |
| kseifried | stupid people will use it and get a stonking big bill | 02:57 |
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| daMaestro | it's impressive how many people (or phones automatically) connect to a "free" wifi service | 02:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: let me look at mine... | 02:58 |
| mrproper | S09openvswitch | 02:58 |
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| mrproper | S10network | 02:58 |
| kseifried | just pretend ot be starbuycks, everyone allows starbucks | 02:58 |
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| Sam-I-Am | kseifried: do you know why ovs starts before the network stuff on EL? | 02:59 |
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| Sam-I-Am | trying to figure out why ovs 'forgets' that i added eth0 to br-ex between reboots | 02:59 |
| kseifried | because your network might be managed through it | 02:59 |
| kseifried | that'd be my guess | 02:59 |
| kseifried | I dounno. all my stuff is cloud magic | 03:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | only thing i can figure is its not seeing eth0 when it starts up | 03:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | omg cloud | 03:00 |
| kseifried | Sam-I-Am, luckily the only stuff I have to run is personal or cloudsecurityalliance, no more hardware (well except for a little at home) | 03:00 |
| kseifried | no more 3am disk failure bullshit. I love it | 03:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | oh well, worth a shot. mrproper and i have been noticing that we have to tweak ovs after each reboot before rdo will work again. | 03:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | what is it with computer crap waiting until 2-3 am to fail | 03:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | i hated on-call | 03:01 |
| kseifried | well it has to work during the day, doesn't have time to fail until later, it's busy. duh. | 03:02 |
| mrproper | kseifried: Specifically https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/7525/br-exeth0-mapping-isnt-saved/ | 03:02 |
| * kseifried shrugs. ask me for a CVE. that I can do. =) | 03:02 | |
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| Sam-I-Am | heh | 03:05 |
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| kseifried | what gets me is what will openstack look like in 3-5 years | 03:13 |
| kseifried | like when I think about the maturity period of linux, apache, etc. this is night and day | 03:13 |
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| mrproper | That will be great | 03:15 |
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| kseifried | yup | 03:15 |
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| * Sam-I-Am remembers linux in 94 | 03:15 | |
| mrproper | Yeah it wasn't good | 03:15 |
| mrproper | Well, it was. | 03:15 |
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| mrproper | But yeah | 03:15 |
| kseifried | you forget how bad everything else was though | 03:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | windows 3.1 | 03:16 |
| kseifried | fricking dark ages | 03:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the days when recompiling a much much simpler kernel took a day or so | 03:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | or building X... hee | 03:17 |
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| kseifried | I noticed yesterday emacs still gives a warning when opneing >10 meg files. | 03:18 |
| kseifried | .... sigh | 03:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | maybe you need more meta keys for that? | 03:19 |
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| * mrproper needs to do some work tonight, sigh | 03:20 | |
| Sam-I-Am | i've wondered about the feasbility of running emacs on a lisp machine | 03:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: oh no | 03:20 |
| mrproper | Yeah | 03:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | besides openstack? | 03:21 |
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| mrproper | Yeah | 03:22 |
| mrproper | Like...write up a few configs | 03:22 |
| mrproper | I'm off all next week so I need to do a few things. | 03:22 |
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| Sam-I-Am | brb | 03:24 |
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| Sam-I-Am | back | 03:38 |
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| mrproper | Hey sam | 03:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yo | 03:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | figure out how you were going to get some bare metal? | 03:41 |
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| mrproper | I'm considering just throwing it on my server and saying fuck it | 03:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | whats the specs on that box anyway? | 03:42 |
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| mrproper | 2x quad core Xeon, 16GB RAM, 2TB HD | 03:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | 1 disk? | 03:44 |
| mrproper | 2 | 03:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | you need some speedy ssd | 03:45 |
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| mrproper | Meh | 03:45 |
| mrproper | I mean I would like that, but it's a server I play with. Frankly, I'd prefer it be quiet. | 03:45 |
| kseifried | my plan to punish my kids is to throttle their network to dialup speeds. is there something to throttle local IO speeds from SSD to spinning disks? | 03:45 |
| kseifried | like the iptables latency thing | 03:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: wouldnt ssd be quieter than disk? | 03:46 |
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| mrproper | It's the fan that makes it loud. | 03:46 |
| daMaestro | kseifried, depending on what scheduler you are using, you can set different queues | 03:46 |
| daMaestro | but that will only affect things under load | 03:47 |
| kseifried | daMaestro, it'd be a horrible thing to do, download an ipad app that turns the ssd into a disk =) | 03:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | you should be able to control bandwidth | 03:47 |
| kseifried | no; latency is the killer for ssd-disk comparision | 03:47 |
| kseifried | who ares abotu bandwidth when suddenly latency is 1000x less | 03:47 |
| cjellick | does anyone know how i can do some simple logging when running openstack (keystone) unit tests via tox? | 03:47 |
| cjellick | just print to stdout is all i need really | 03:48 |
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| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: It's a 1U server so loud. | 03:48 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: bleh, one of the reasons i dont run stuff at home anymore | 03:48 |
| kseifried | try immersing it in peanut oil. total legit. I read it on the internet. | 03:49 |
| mrproper | That works? Nice, good call. | 03:49 |
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| kseifried | ou can uhh confirm that it works. let us know. | 03:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | kseifried: back to our days before the internet conv, did you think we'd all still be on irc in 2013? | 03:49 |
| kseifried | yes | 03:49 |
| kseifried | video conferencing is a bad idea | 03:49 |
| kseifried | because you have to wear clothes and shave | 03:49 |
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| kseifried | and wear makeup if you're a girl | 03:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | especially with nerd hygiene problems | 03:50 |
| kseifried | so that shit won't fly | 03:50 |
| mrproper | People don't like video. | 03:50 |
| kseifried | voice? voice is nice, but shitty for more then 1 person talking | 03:50 |
| kseifried | so that leaves.. TEXT CHAT!!! | 03:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | irc as a protocol almost feels like the ftp of file transfer options, but it does work | 03:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | most other mediums dont handle large numbers of users at once | 03:51 |
| kseifried | yeah not in a single "room/channel/whatever" | 03:51 |
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| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: It would be cool to have a document which walks people through OpenStack from 101 to 300 level | 03:55 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i will no doubt be building one for my compaany | 03:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | assuming i get the go ahead | 03:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | more meeting on monday | 03:55 |
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| mrproper | I'm considering working on it and will if I do a stock build. | 03:56 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'd like to make it all public somewhere | 03:56 |
| mrproper | Then I can go into "SDN and OpenFlow" | 03:56 |
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| Sam-I-Am | probably a good chunk already out there | 03:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | just a matter of content and style | 03:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | probably need to set the bar somewhere. dont want to go over ip networking 101 | 03:58 |
| mrproper | No. | 03:59 |
| mrproper | I'll basically expect someone to know what networking is and how it works. | 03:59 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i find a lot of my classes degrade to that | 03:59 |
| kseifried | you teach openstack? | 03:59 |
| mrproper | I will talk about the networking inside of OpenStack | 03:59 |
| mrproper | No but I'm thinking of writing some good documents about it. | 03:59 |
| kseifried | and they don't know basic IP networing? oi vhey | 03:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | not right now, but i do teach network certification courses | 03:59 |
| mrproper | http://docs.openstack.org/ops/oreilly-openstack-ops-guide.pdf | 04:00 |
| mrproper | Aren't subnets the networks below the main network? | 04:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | they catch the smaller fish in the network | 04:00 |
| kseifried | no, subnets are the outsourced things, you can buy them on ebay | 04:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ha | 04:01 |
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| kseifried | subnet-as-a-service, I should patent that | 04:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | you should talk to my marketing folks | 04:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | they came up with some wild ideas for sdn when they heard it was the latest fad | 04:01 |
| kseifried | Sam-I-Am, I would probably make them cry. | 04:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | they make me cry | 04:02 |
| kseifried | see I like marketing | 04:02 |
| mrproper | kseifried: I hear that's called DHCP | 04:02 |
| kseifried | it's important educate potential customers in an enabling manner so that you can improve potential synergy | 04:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | kseifried: let me ping someone on that and circle back to you | 04:03 |
| mrproper | kseifried: Yes but we do need to align ourselves to the proper verticals. | 04:03 |
| kseifried | we should blue sky it | 04:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | does that include the 30000 foot view? | 04:03 |
| mrproper | Too low | 04:03 |
| kseifried | mrproper, : no, vverticals are obsolete, it's all about the diagonals now | 04:03 |
| mrproper | 300,000 | 04:03 |
| kseifried | yeah you want the 300k view, more space there ;) | 04:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | kseifried: i thought it was about the sdn | 04:04 |
| mrproper | kseifried: Swirls are my preference. I've had good account penetration. | 04:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | sdn is the new cloud 3.0 | 04:04 |
| kseifried | and now we're into HR "bad touch" land =) | 04:04 |
| kseifried | that didn't take long (it never does). snicker. | 04:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | heh | 04:04 |
| mrproper | We are trying to address TAM | 04:04 |
| kseifried | TAM? | 04:04 |
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| mrproper | Total Addressable Market | 04:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | territory account manager? | 04:05 |
| kseifried | technical account manager or my friends wife. highly confusing. | 04:05 |
| mrproper | I'm finding the new solution is causing some really great ROI in the mid-market. | 04:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | aieeeee | 04:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | well now you know what my typical day is like | 04:06 |
| kseifried | the best is when americans use football (american football) references and 1) most of us don't do sports at all and then 2) everyone outside .us thinks it's some f**ked up soccer reference | 04:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | right | 04:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | i hear those often | 04:06 |
| kseifried | "move the ball to the endzone? but then you get a penalty" | 04:06 |
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| kseifried | ahahah google logo is doctor who today | 04:07 |
| kseifried | nice | 04:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | but yeah... i've had plenty of people coming to an advanced network course and get stuck on subnetting | 04:07 |
| mrproper | kseifried: We need to start coming up with networking references. | 04:08 |
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| mrproper | "Okay team. I really think we need to set the RST flag. Lets reconvene" | 04:08 |
| kseifried | networking like IP or networking like 3 drink minimum and schmooze? | 04:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | ip | 04:08 |
| kseifried | yes we all p after 3 drinks ;) | 04:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | are there subnets with 3 drink minimum networking? | 04:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | sometimes i need three drinks before going into these | 04:08 |
| mrproper | "Guys, I'll area 0 this one." | 04:08 |
| mrproper | I'm DEFINITELY going to start using some of these phrases on calls and seeing if anyone ever gets it. | 04:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | one again rofl @ the league | 04:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | once | 04:10 |
| daMaestro | Sam-I-Am, yes when you are in 169.254.0.0/16 or having to deal with someone in there, there is a 3 drink minimum | 04:10 |
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| kseifried | blue duck | 04:10 |
| kseifried | you need to blue duck to see customer uptake | 04:10 |
| kseifried | dilbert reference =) | 04:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | scott adams works at my company | 04:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm convinced | 04:10 |
| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: What line? | 04:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: about every one | 04:11 |
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| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: Great show huh | 04:11 |
| mrproper | Oh shit, I have two episodes to watch! | 04:11 |
| kseifried | Better off Ted | 04:11 |
| kseifried | even better | 04:11 |
| mrproper | kseifried: I'm going to hold you to that. | 04:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | daMaestro: i tell people to shove it into 127.0.0.1 | 04:11 |
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| kseifried | youve never seen better off ted? | 04:12 |
| kseifried | shove it up your span port? | 04:12 |
| mrproper | Source or Destination SPAN? | 04:12 |
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| mrproper | Wow dude, that's a source port only. No going in there. | 04:13 |
| kseifried | just jam it in | 04:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats what she said | 04:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | somehow i never thought there'd be a twss moment in here | 04:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | meh | 04:36 |
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| Qu310 | anyone using multifactor authentication with keystone? | 04:50 |
| morganfainberg | Qu310, depends on what you mean by MFA. | 04:51 |
| Qu310 | via token, sms, phone app etc, | 04:52 |
| morganfainberg | Qu310, at one point i developed a Google Authenticator addition to the password plugin (grizzly timeline) | 04:52 |
| Qu310 | nice | 04:52 |
| Qu310 | i've been reading that havana keystone has mfa functionality however can't find much on how to implement etc | 04:53 |
| morganfainberg | Qu310, Havana has "bound" tokens, meaning that it can require X509 cert, or KRB5 additions (as I recall, i haven't looked at that piece of the code recently) | 04:53 |
| morganfainberg | Qu310, but more importantly, keystone has a pluggable auth system, letting you build your own plugins for authentication. | 04:54 |
| morganfainberg | Qu310, example of one: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/auth/plugins/password.py (this is the password auth one) | 04:55 |
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| kseifried | I;m waiting for the facebook auth plugin | 04:55 |
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| morganfainberg | Qu310, a good blog post on Bound tokens can be found http://www.jamielennox.net/blog/2013/10/22/keystone-token-binding/ (jamie does a lot of development on keystone, and works a lot within the keystoneclient code as well) | 04:56 |
| * morganfainberg really needs to setup a blog as well. :(. | 04:57 | |
| * morganfainberg has just been a bit lazy about it. | 04:57 | |
| morganfainberg | kseifried, LOL, FB Connect would be a challenge i think, since it requires (like OAuth2) a more web-driven experience. but i don't think it would be out of the question to implement (I wont personally implement it though, not my cup of tea) | 04:58 |
| kseifried | it'll happen | 04:59 |
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| kseifried | the US will outsource passport approvals to facebook | 04:59 |
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| kseifried | let's face it, facebook knows more about us than the gov | 04:59 |
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| morganfainberg | kseifried, isn't that what those kiosks in the customs and imigration part of the airport is for? | 04:59 |
| morganfainberg | kseifried, :P | 05:00 |
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| Qu310 | haha | 05:00 |
| Qu310 | morganfainberg: cheers, i'll have a read | 05:01 |
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| morganfainberg | Qu310, sure thing! I might see if I can do some google auth magic in icehouse or some such. but it might be un-wieldly (and I have already committed to doing a bunch of code, so who knows if i'll have time). | 05:02 |
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| clarkb | morganfainberg: on the topic of keystone auth things, is browser id a keystone thing yet? | 05:02 |
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| morganfainberg | clarkb, browser id? | 05:03 |
| clarkb | morganfainberg: a mozilla thing from a couple years ago that is openid but better | 05:03 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb, i think that'll likely be built on the same kind of framework that we were talking about for OpenID Connect. | 05:03 |
| clarkb | it associates keys with UID and the private key is never shared | 05:03 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: its different again | 05:04 |
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| morganfainberg | clarkb, that is... if i recall correctly, we'll outsource the work to something like an Apache Module and use the external auth functionality | 05:04 |
| morganfainberg | lifeless, ^ | 05:04 |
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| lifeless | morganfainberg: now known as persona | 05:04 |
| morganfainberg | lifeless, ah. | 05:04 |
| clarkb | which in theory makes it impossible (harder) for the browser id auth provider to impersonate users | 05:04 |
| lifeless | morganfainberg: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Persona | 05:04 |
| morganfainberg | lifeless, i still think it falls (initially) into the category that would best be supported via external auth mechanism. though, i don't see any reason why it couldn't become something we support as a 1st order IdP (if i'm reading it right, it is... an IdP right?) | 05:06 |
| Qu310 | morganfainberg: interesting read. from what i've been reading around the webs is it seems 2 factor auth currently is only really done buy the big public cloud providers who have some devs :) | 05:06 |
| morganfainberg | Qu310, OpenStack is used for "Big Public Cloud" operation (Rax, HP, etc) and lots of private clouds. | 05:07 |
| Qu310 | morganfainberg: so you think there would be a significant benfit to using ldap instead of internal keystone/sql auth for mfa? | 05:07 |
| morganfainberg | Qu310, well. that comes more down to use-case and implementation of LDAP and management of the IdP (Identity Provider) | 05:08 |
| morganfainberg | Qu310, if you want a shared IdP (e.g. Corporate LDAP / AD) i definitely see a benefit. | 05:08 |
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| morganfainberg | Qu310, regardless of MFA capabilities. | 05:09 |
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| morganfainberg | clarkb, i think all of this (Persona, openid connect, FB [still snickering but someone will do it and make ti work well], SAML) will fall into the federated mechanism. | 05:11 |
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| kseifried | for a public cloud facebook auth wouldn't be that bad an idea | 05:11 |
| Qu310 | morganfainberg, true true | 05:11 |
| kseifried | I don't care who you are really, I just want a cc, and you to have a safe account to auth via | 05:11 |
| kseifried | wow top gear US is still going. how is that possible | 05:12 |
| morganfainberg | kseifried, thats true. add in a platform app that lets you bill the customer via FB, even possibly control the cloud (oooh, clouds all the way down, a cloud to control more clouds via a cloud managemnet app) | 05:13 |
| kseifried | it's like... eating dried out turkey covered in motor oil with a side salad of despair | 05:13 |
| morganfainberg | kseifried, wait, there is a Top Gear US? i... i .. uhm.. *shakes head silently* | 05:13 |
| kseifried | it was bad | 05:13 |
| kseifried | like... | 05:13 |
| kseifried | bad | 05:13 |
| kseifried | I won't tell my kids about it. ever. | 05:13 |
| morganfainberg | LOL | 05:14 |
| kseifried | although in fairness the first 2-3 seasons of top gear uk were a bit rough | 05:14 |
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| kseifried | that used car sales guy they had... ech | 05:14 |
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| Qu310 | So i guess the hard question is does anyone know of any pluggable MFA Systems which currently work with keystone? | 05:14 |
| kseifried | mo: so forbidden topics: episode 1 (need I say more?). top gear US and furby. | 05:14 |
| kseifried | furby creeps me out, it's part of the robot apocalypse I'm pretty sure | 05:15 |
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| morganfainberg | Qu310, Short answer: I haven't directly heard of any, it doesn't mean they don't exist. And implementing one with the pluggable auth system shouldn't be hard to do. | 05:15 |
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| morganfainberg | kseifried, my curiosity almost got the better of me and i _almost_ googled that. then i realized I don't want to be that scarred. | 05:16 |
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| kseifried | IT'S LIKE THE ms STORE | 05:17 |
| kseifried | oops | 05:18 |
| kseifried | anyways they opened one up in the mall | 05:18 |
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| kseifried | it's trying to be the apple store. but it's MS world. to many different systems, walls of tvs showing commercials | 05:18 |
| kseifried | like 30 people browsing, nobody bought anything | 05:18 |
| kseifried | I asked about some touch computers, the guy had to browse online | 05:18 |
| kseifried | and started telling me about the ram/cpu specs | 05:19 |
| kseifried | like... wow. complete fail | 05:19 |
| kseifried | the apple store OTOH I had to wait like 5 minutes to pay for a spare cable =) they were packed and selling crap constantly | 05:19 |
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| kseifried | like. a touch screen computer for 3 year olds. who cares what cpu it has. you could tape a casio wristwatch into it and they'd be happy | 05:20 |
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| kseifried | so yeah, still nothing to fear from MS I think | 05:21 |
| morganfainberg | kseifried, isn't that what the HP Touchpad running android is for? The sticky kid fingers (heck even an ipad). | 05:22 |
| kseifried | I prolly will buy them an adroid thng yah | 05:22 |
| kseifried | windows touchscreen was like... starting at 1200, won't mount flat to a wall | 05:23 |
| kseifried | for $400 I can get a viewsonic monitor that runs android | 05:23 |
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| morganfainberg | they all cleanup pretty well (and it's really funny* when the kid goes up to someone's plasma TV and puts their fingers on it trying to make it go.. and now there are kid fingerprints on someone's plasma/lcd tv) *= some values of funny, friends might not see it as funny | 05:23 |
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| kseifried | yah they keep beating my tv up | 05:23 |
| kseifried | they still don't get it. NOT a touch screen. | 05:24 |
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| morganfainberg | kseifried, you know _everything_ will be a touchscreen within ~5-10 more years | 05:24 |
| kseifried | god I hope so | 05:24 |
| kseifried | this is bullshit that it isn't | 05:24 |
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| morganfainberg | kseifried, eh, it mostly will be a means to extract more $$ out of the buyer... | 05:25 |
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| morganfainberg | kind of like 3d tv. | 05:25 |
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| kseifried | except with a tiny bit of valure, unlike 3d =) | 05:25 |
| morganfainberg | haha | 05:25 |
| kseifried | although I did see _1_ compelling use of 3d tvs/ run two seperate 2d programs so two people can watch different programs =) | 05:25 |
| morganfainberg | In either case, i'm going to hop back over to do some code review before i need to plug my laptop in. | 05:25 |
| kseifried | you need headphones for at last one person though | 05:26 |
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| morganfainberg | hopefully it actually has 23% charge not the usual closer to 0% when it really means 20+% | 05:26 |
| morganfainberg | though this laptop has been better about that than my lasp | 05:26 |
| morganfainberg | s/lasp/last | 05:26 |
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| salaet | Hi | 10:47 |
| salaet | anybody know how to debug this problem? "cloud-init-nonet waiting 120 seconds for a network device" | 10:47 |
| salaet | yesterday all instances runs ok | 10:47 |
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| afm1 | morning all… if present a 100G iscsi lun to openstack, is it able to slice it up for vm instances? or do I need to present like 5G individual ones per instance? | 14:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | afm1: if you're using cinder, just create a vg on it | 14:48 |
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| afm1 | roger… thanks | 14:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | cinder looks for cinder-volumes by default iirc | 14:49 |
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| afm1 | been playing with a VM till i get one more box…. currently in planning phase to redo my solaris linux OVM cluster | 14:50 |
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| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: If you're around, I found the problem. | 15:12 |
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| karan__ | geeks please help i am getting errors in cinder | 16:00 |
| karan__ | 2013-11-23 17:57:40.801 29478 INFO urllib3.connectionpool [-] Starting new HTTP connection (1): 127.0.0.1 2013-11-23 17:57:40.867 29478 WARNING keystoneclient.middleware.auth_token [-] Unexpected response from keystone service: {u'error': {u'message': u'The request you have made requires authentication.', u'code': 401, u'title': u'Unauthorized'}} 2013-11-23 17:57:40.867 29478 WARNING keystoneclient.middleware.auth_token [-] Author | 16:00 |
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| sib | Hello, I hope this is the correct IRC. I am having problems signing into my domU openstack vm. I installed xenserver and then devstack on top. | 16:54 |
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| sib | No ideas? | 17:24 |
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| alpharender | sib: this place is dead on sat/sun | 17:32 |
| sib | o ook, thanks, ill post again on monday | 17:33 |
| alpharender | I'm not using xen so I'm no help | 17:33 |
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| lbalbalba | hi. i am about to by new hardware to take openstack for a testdrive. are there any specific things i need to be aware of when selecting the hardware ? | 19:22 |
| lbalbalba | there's at least hardware assisted virtualization needed for KVM support, right ? is there anything else ? | 19:22 |
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| mnaser | lbalbalba: openstack has no specific hw requirements | 19:27 |
| mnaser | lbalbalba: you'll have to check for the hypervisor you want to use for it's own requirements | 19:28 |
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| lbalbalba | thanks. im interested in using kvm as the hyoervisor. also, i was looking at a 16MB ram 4TB disk system, should that be enough to spin up a few vm's using openstack ? all running on the same system (guess ill be using devstack for my 1st try) | 19:30 |
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| afm1 | 16GB i'd assume, and yes thats plenty for a first go | 19:31 |
| lbalbalba | er... 16GB, yes. :( oops | 19:31 |
| afm1 | heh | 19:31 |
| mnaser | lbalbalba: you can use devstack on a local vm if you want to "try" it. or there are some companies that offer openstack cloud which you can use | 19:31 |
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| lbalbalba | thanks. also, planning on using a single NIC. woud lthat be sufficient for a tryout ? or are multiple nics recommended. | 19:32 |
| afm1 | I've done a VM with centos packstack —allinone on 4GB ram and 20GB HD with a VM so far…. getting a feel | 19:32 |
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| afm1 | 2 nics or lots o work | 19:33 |
| lbalbalba | mnaser: my current hardware (intel core duo) doesnt support hardware virtualization. i do have wmware workstation running, should devstack work in that ? | 19:34 |
| afm1 | in a VM you can multiple nics…. | 19:34 |
| mnaser | lbalbalba: devstack uses lxc (linux containers), you're not gonna get *real* kvm servers but you're still gonna get to use the api/network/etc | 19:34 |
| mnaser | hell, you can provision a cloud server for a few hours, install devstack on it and you can have an all in one test openstack cloud | 19:34 |
| afm1 | there is something else thats LXC based right? | 19:35 |
| mnaser | not sure what you mean afm1 | 19:35 |
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| afm1 | just remember hearing for perhaps another product thats LXC based…. dont remember what it was though | 19:35 |
| afm1 | s/for/of | 19:36 |
| lbalbalba | afm1: thanks, i guess ill be giving openstack 2 NICSen. i didnt mean multiple4 nics in the vm's, but rather for the openstack software to use, like a separate 'management' network or something | 19:36 |
| mnaser | i think the only lightweight virtualization openstack has at the moment is lxc | 19:36 |
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| lbalbalba | mnaser: i didnt know devstakc used that, guess il be giving it as go in one of my vmware images then | 19:36 |
| lbalbalba | sorry for all typos. hope its stil readable | 19:37 |
| mnaser | "Run OpenStack in a VM. The VMs launched in your cloud will be slow as they are running in QEMU (emulation), but it is useful if you don't have spare hardware laying around." my bad it uses qemu but it should be okay | 19:37 |
| mnaser | lbalbalba: http://devstack.org/guides/single-vm.html | 19:37 |
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| afm1 | imho remember its called DEVstack for a reason :) | 19:39 |
| lbalbalba | mnaser: thanks, guess il be trying that *before* i buy new hardware ;) | 19:39 |
| mnaser | lbalbalba: yep, good luck :) | 19:39 |
| lbalbalba | afm1: yeah, i know. its aimed at devs ? or is it in a inous dev state | 19:40 |
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| lbalbalba | :P | 19:40 |
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| afm1 | openstack is aggressive with 2 releases a year… devstack more so | 19:41 |
| lbalbalba | ah. okay. guess ill stick around hre for a while then, instead of reading 'outdated' (for devstack) docs :P | 19:42 |
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| afm1 | i'm new as well…. and just learning… dont take my word as bible.. but lots of reading done so far | 19:43 |
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| mnaser | it takes a while to get the full grasp of things ;) | 19:44 |
| lbalbalba | yeah. i tried reading, but am overwhelmed by the amount of docs. | 19:44 |
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| coredumb | yeah i think you can be happy about that | 19:45 |
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| coredumb | it's usually the opposite :D | 19:45 |
| lbalbalba | at least i understand the version naming cnvention now: A... B... D... Essex Folsom, G... etc | 19:45 |
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| * mnaser has been around since cactus | 19:46 | |
| mnaser | it's been a while | 19:46 |
| lbalbalba | coredumb: yeah i like good docs, but the getting started guide i looked at was oudated or incorrect :( | 19:46 |
| mnaser | lbalbalba: make sure the docs you're looking at are trunk / latest release | 19:47 |
| coredumb | mnaser: oh i still haven't even installed it :D | 19:47 |
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| mnaser | deployed in production for almost 2 years now :) | 19:47 |
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| lbalbalba | hrm. stack.sh is installing software, and says (amonsgt a lot of other stuff, really): No package python-sqlite2 available. | 19:59 |
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| lbalbalba | running in fedora 17. guess i need to upgarde to a more recent distro :) | 20:00 |
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| Martin8412 | https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2012-February/000888.html | 20:02 |
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| lbalbalba | Martin8412: hey thanks man ! | 20:04 |
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| lbalbalba | guess 'stack.sh' needs to stop trying to install python-sqlite2, then | 20:07 |
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| lbalbalba | hrm: 'warning: LocalManifestMaker: standard file '-c' not found' | 20:13 |
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| lbalbalba | oh wow, 'devstack' does a git checkout of the latest dev code for all the openstack components ? this is gonna be fun... ;) | 20:14 |
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| lbalbalba | yeah! devstack finsihed. it runs. it toars. i can login to horizon ! eehhh. now what do i do with it ? :) is there a horizon gui for beginners doc ? or equivalent cmdline, of course | 20:35 |
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| afm1 | launch an instance/VM http://isurues.wordpress.com/tag/devstack/ | 20:39 |
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| lbalbalba | thanks. i just tried to launch an instance, but im getting this: http://fpaste.org/56314/13852393/ | 20:42 |
| lbalbalba | oh. looks like i cant 'just' launch an instance. ill read that link, then | 20:43 |
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| lbalbalba | nope, that wasnt it. it still fails to launch an instance with this error message: http://fpaste.org/56314/13852393/ | 20:49 |
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| lbalbalba | hrm. it says the cmd is 'sudo nova-rootwrap foo', but i have no 'nova-rootwrap' user. should that have been created by stack.sh ? should i create one now manually ? | 20:50 |
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| afm1 | s'not a user… a command...https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Rootwrap | 20:55 |
| afm1 | i'm just googling here | 20:55 |
| afm1 | nova is the user… and rootwrap is the command…. nova ALL = (root) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/nova-rootwrap /etc/nova/rootwrap.conf * | 20:56 |
| lbalbalba | hrm. adding the user amnd group (groupadd nova-rootwrap; useradd nova-rootwrap -g nova-rootwrap) doesn t fix it. | 20:57 |
| lbalbalba | afm1: ah, thanks for the link | 20:57 |
| lbalbalba | afm1: that explains some more :) | 20:57 |
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| anoopl | I am trying to conifgure grizzly with Quantum multiple flat network | 21:00 |
| anoopl | i have br120 as the vlan for private network | 21:00 |
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| anoopl | any idea whats the configuration i should use in answer file | 21:01 |
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| lbalbalba | afm1: i dont have a nova user either ... | 21:04 |
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| kseifried | stupid Q | 21:06 |
| kseifried | did you install nova? | 21:06 |
| kseifried | aka: have you made sure it's plugged in ;) | 21:06 |
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| lbalbalba | guess so. im running devstack, and i just ran stack.sh | 21:06 |
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| lbalbalba | adding the sudoers entry doenst help either. | 21:07 |
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| afm1 | cat /etc/passwd | grep nova to see if it exists | 21:08 |
| lbalbalba | yeah, nova appears to be running: http://fpaste.org/56316/38524087/ | 21:08 |
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| lbalbalba | well it does now, i just created it. ;) 'su - nova' gave me su - nova-rootwrap | 21:09 |
| lbalbalba | su: user nova-rootwrap does not exist | 21:09 |
| lbalbalba | oops sorry | 21:09 |
| lbalbalba | su - nova: su: user nova does not exist | 21:09 |
| lbalbalba | so i created it | 21:09 |
| lbalbalba | is there a log file i can look into ? i have no idea on where to start looking | 21:10 |
| anoopl | if i have a linux bridge br0126 as vlan for fixed IP, the configuration in packstack answerfile is CONFIG_NOVA_NETWORK_PRIVIF=br0126 | 21:10 |
| anoopl | is it so | 21:10 |
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| anoopl | should i change answer file to use linux bridge driver other than OVS, if i have a linux bridge for fixed range IPs | 21:12 |
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| lbalbalba | it still fails to launch an instance with this error message: http://fpaste.org/56314/13852393/ | 21:55 |
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| mrproper | If I setup an OpenStack install on a single server (best I got) by scratch...aka not RDO or devstack...what do you recommend? Compile from source or use packages and configure as I go along? Plus are there any tutorials or guides for this? | 23:36 |
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| lifeless | mrproper: I really don't recommend doing that at all. No-one I know does that :). Use devstack if you want a single machine unmaintaned cloud for experimenting | 23:36 |
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| mrproper | lifeless: I currently have a RDO setup | 23:37 |
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| mrproper | Is there an "advantage" to using devstack over RDO | 23:37 |
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| lifeless | really depends on what you want to achieve | 23:38 |
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| mrproper | This is for a home server so I can setup OpenStack, figure out how it works, maybe write scripts and orchestration against it, and run some VMs in it | 23:38 |
| lifeless | But you definitely don't want to be in the business of hand-integrating everything. None of the develoeprs does this | 23:39 |
| lifeless | everyone uses some automation of some sort | 23:39 |
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| lifeless | RDO is suitable for doing what you just described | 23:39 |
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| mrproper | RDO works for me. Seems a little quirky. But it works | 23:41 |
| mrproper | would you consider all-in-one adequate? | 23:41 |
| lifeless | for experimenting? Sure. | 23:42 |
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| lifeless | No redundancy, so if anything goes down, all your workloads will stop | 23:42 |
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| mrproper | I have only a single server anyways | 23:42 |
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| kseifried | my isp finally fixed the crappy speedtest.net results. they started running their own speedtest.net server :P | 23:47 |
| kseifried | so yeah. according to this everything is GREAT! | 23:48 |
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| mrproper | Hey kseifried | 23:49 |
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| mrproper | What speed is it telling you? | 23:50 |
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| kseifried | 91down/4.9up/35ms externally, 95down/2.0up/13ms with my isp's server. | 23:51 |
| mrproper | Wow | 23:51 |
| kseifried | so they're really gonna look awesome on latency results, no surprise they can't run their network properly so uplaod within it works | 23:51 |
| mrproper | Who do you have? | 23:51 |
| kseifried | shaw.ca | 23:52 |
| kseifried | canada = high speed but capped | 23:52 |
| kseifried | or low speed secondary isp, and capped | 23:52 |
| mrproper | I have AT&T. I'm convinced their network is held together by string. | 23:52 |
| mrproper | 91 down is incredible. I get...(give me a second) | 23:52 |
| kseifried | I can in theory buy 250 down | 23:53 |
| kseifried | but the fastest uplink I can buy is 15 | 23:53 |
| kseifried | so... the asymmetry basically breaks any heavy usage | 23:53 |
| kseifried | e.g. a single stream ok | 23:53 |
| daMaestro | ^ that is just so peering agreements don't look attractive to the ISP ;-) | 23:53 |
| kseifried | multiple streams and my latency shoots up to 1+ seconds due to buffer bloat from my ISP | 23:53 |
| daMaestro | aka.. "sorry we don't send you as much traffic as you send us, so pay us" | 23:53 |
| mrproper | kseifried: What router do yo uuse? | 23:53 |
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| kseifried | linux machine | 23:53 |
| mrproper | 12.26/1.41/30ms | 23:53 |
| kseifried | what else? =) | 23:53 |
| kseifried | try this: run smokeping and like a single massive download: http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Issues/2011/127/Security-Lessons-Bufferbloat/(language)/eng-US | 23:54 |
| kseifried | your internet will probably tip over like mine does | 23:54 |
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| kseifried | so basically if I use more than 5-10 megs/second my latency shoots up and VOIP/etc all breaks | 23:55 |
| mrproper | kseifried: BTW...I got that problem fixed where my br-ex and eth0 don't bind to each other. | 23:55 |
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| * mrproper really hopes this author knows what he's talking about | 23:55 | |
| kseifried | nah he's some idiot, but he did put up pretty pics | 23:56 |
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| mrproper | smokeping, eh? | 23:56 |
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| kseifried | yeah | 23:57 |
| kseifried | handy dandy evidence grabber | 23:57 |
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| kseifried | but the thing is it doesn't matter | 23:57 |
| kseifried | not like the ISP will fix their network | 23:57 |
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| kseifried | "oh you use your internet and voip/streaming media breaks? you should buy our voip/tv service" | 23:57 |
| kseifried | network neutrality won't matter if they build the networks to produce severe buffer bloat | 23:58 |
| daMaestro | yeah, but you need some pretty massive buffers to be able to do line speeds of 100gbps+ | 23:58 |
| daMaestro | period. | 23:58 |
| mrproper | Debian has a binary YAY | 23:58 |
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| kseifried | daMaestro, well rgeat. except when my latency keeps going from like 60ms to most of north america to 1000+ms it kind of breaks the internet | 23:59 |
| mrproper | daMaestro: I think half the problem is the home devices have a lot of the buffer bloat, not even in the backbones. | 23:59 |
| daMaestro | it can't be done without large buffers, even if you are flushing down to the millisecond | 23:59 |
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| kseifried | mrproper, : the ISP edge equipment does for sure | 23:59 |
| mrproper | kseifried: Yes. I mean basically the home device + WAN edge | 23:59 |
| kseifried | like what use is gigabit internet with 1second latency? not very. | 23:59 |
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