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| mrproper | kseifried: Without reading the documentation, do I need a full smoke ping install on the other end? | 00:00 |
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| kseifried | no | 00:00 |
| kseifried | smoke ping just does pings | 00:00 |
| kseifried | and logs it all | 00:00 |
| kseifried | and makes pretty graphs | 00:00 |
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| kseifried | I found it useful within AWS to initially understand their network a bit | 00:01 |
| kseifried | mostly it's all reliable 1ms, except for weird latency spikes daily/that sort of thing | 00:01 |
| kseifried | but again, I can't get them to fix their network most likely | 00:01 |
| kseifried | although they were pretty responsive on a security issue I reported once they understood it | 00:02 |
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| daMaestro | we use smokeping to monitor all of our transit links and between office vpn mesh | 00:02 |
| kseifried | mrproper, mostly it's about making informed buying decisions now, your choices of providers all generally suck when it comes to networks | 00:02 |
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| daMaestro | it integrates into zenoss too ;-) | 00:02 |
| kseifried | but some suck slightly less | 00:02 |
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| daMaestro | kseifried, yeah 1s latency is troublesome no matter what your bandwidth available is | 00:03 |
| kseifried | well ... anything over a second is basically useless. sigh. | 00:03 |
| kseifried | my kingdom for proper internet! | 00:03 |
| kseifried | the cheapest real network connection is still like 2-3k/month to a house | 00:04 |
| daMaestro | we hit about 170ms globally at this point (from Denver) | 00:04 |
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| daMaestro | median, of course | 00:04 |
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| daMaestro | US is < 70ms by SLA | 00:04 |
| daMaestro | ha, but look, comcast denver to our denver POP: 214 ms | 00:05 |
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| daMaestro | ah that might actually be our preference for dealing with icmp where i was probing, path is 55.804ms | 00:06 |
| daMaestro | oh and that is through my vpn, duh | 00:07 |
| daMaestro | kseifried, < 100ms is acceptable in most cases, < 50ms is ideal | 00:07 |
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| daMaestro | but really, you end up with a physics problem once you have to cross the ponds | 00:08 |
| kseifried | daMaestro, and >1000 is? "bad" ;) | 00:08 |
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| daMaestro | unusable in a lot of cases for high bandwidth stuff, yea | 00:14 |
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| Sam-I-Am | howdy folks | 00:14 |
| daMaestro | but when you are using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMPRNet because you are a boss, you're just happy to get to the internet ;-) | 00:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: yo? | 00:15 |
| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: Yo! | 00:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | daMaestro: nice flight to goodland today. got pies :) | 00:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: i saw your note this morning but you were gone before i could say anything | 00:15 |
| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: Yeah I got it fixed. | 00:16 |
| mrproper | It was assigned as Ethernet, not OVS | 00:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | what was? | 00:16 |
| daMaestro | Sam-I-Am, sweet; might have been more productive then my day so far. slept until noon and finally updated my plone.recipe.varnish pull request with all the new features i've implemented for my openshift cartridge | 00:16 |
| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: eth0 | 00:16 |
| daMaestro | http://fpaste.org/56334/25065713/ | 00:16 |
| daMaestro | err | 00:16 |
| daMaestro | https://github.com/collective/plone.recipe.varnish/pull/3 | 00:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: oohhh, as the type in one of those net config files? | 00:17 |
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| mrproper | Yeah | 00:17 |
| mrproper | It's on ask.openstack.org | 00:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | ah makes sense though | 00:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | daMaestro: i was up at 7 :/ | 00:18 |
| daMaestro | ha, vacation means sleep till noon. | 00:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i cant sleep that late anymore. then again i go to bed at 11. used to be a night owl long ago. | 00:19 |
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| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: I'm trying to figure out what to do tonight. I want to figure out smoke ping first. | 00:20 |
| mrproper | But I may make a cake instead. | 00:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: watch college ball and veg? | 00:21 |
| mrproper | It sounds more fun than computers. | 00:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont bake. bad things happen. | 00:21 |
| * mrproper is limited in his sports, and football/basketball isn't one of them. | 00:22 | |
| Sam-I-Am | i guess we cant talk anymore lol | 00:22 |
| mrproper | I'm a baseball guy | 00:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | tomorrow is football day for me, all day | 00:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | blech | 00:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats like golf :) | 00:22 |
| mrproper | Football just doesn't grab my attention. | 00:23 |
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| mrproper | Plus I find plenty of it disingenuous but that gets all political and annoying | 00:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | heh | 00:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm just giving you shit | 00:24 |
| mrproper | Oh I know :) | 00:25 |
| mrproper | Shit. | 00:25 |
| mrproper | I have a spring form pan. But not the bottom. | 00:25 |
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| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: I am good with computers, but that's not where my natural talents lie. | 00:26 |
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| mrproper | I'm decent at baking. | 00:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | being single and cooking is rough | 00:27 |
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| mrproper | I did that for many years. Left over.s | 00:27 |
| mrproper | Being in a relationship and cooking is harder. You have a lot more limitations :) | 00:27 |
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| lbalbalba | being in a relationship is harder period :P | 00:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | ha | 00:29 |
| mrproper | lbalbalba: Well, yeah it is! | 00:30 |
| mrproper | Unless she's rich. | 00:30 |
| mrproper | Then it's probably easier. | 00:30 |
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| lbalbalba | not being in a relationship is hard(-er) as well . ;) | 00:31 |
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| mrproper | I'd personally take a relationship over single, but that isn't true in ALL situations | 00:33 |
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| mrproper | If I were good with the ladies I'd probably like being single more | 00:33 |
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| lbalbalba | if *I* were good with the ladies I'd probably like being in a relationship more :P | 00:34 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think ive gotten used to being single | 00:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | its not bad. i find plenty to do. | 00:35 |
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| lbalbalba | ill never get used to being single. ill never get used to being in a relationship. go figure | 00:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | lol | 00:37 |
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| lbalbalba | ah. running (devstack) ./stack on a fedora 19 node now. see if that works | 00:39 |
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| lbalbalba | been getting weird error messages when starting an instance from horizon with devstack and fedora 17/18. hope this works with feodra 19... | 00:42 |
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| Sam-I-Am | whats the error? | 00:43 |
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| lbalbalba | scroll back a few pages ;) something about 'sudo nova foo foo.conf' failing | 00:45 |
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| lbalbalba | 'nova-root-wrapper' or somesuch | 00:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | is sudo configured right for the stack user? | 00:48 |
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| lbalbalba | guess so. not sure. added 'nova-foo* nopass' or somesuch to /etc/sudoers. didnt work'. lets see what happens when ./stack.sh finishes on my fedora 19 vm | 00:51 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm pretty sure the stack user just needs passwordless root access with devstack | 00:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | not the usual user-specific (e.g., nova) rootwrap thinger | 00:52 |
| lbalbalba | dunno. the error mentione a failkure to execute the sudo nova-rootrap command | 00:53 |
| lbalbalba | sorry for all the typos | 00:53 |
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| Sam-I-Am | http://devstack.org/guides/single-machine.html | 00:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | those instructions? | 00:54 |
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| lbalbalba | hrm. no. i followed these: http://devstack.org/guides/single-vm.html | 00:55 |
| lbalbalba | im running devstack in a vmware vm | 00:56 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, but the sudo thing should be the same | 00:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | not sure why its not in those steps | 00:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | btw, rdo is pretty slick on any rh-like distro | 00:57 |
| lbalbalba | well thanks for pointing out the differences. ill give that a go when ./stack,sh finishes | 00:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think it works on fedora | 00:57 |
| lbalbalba | rdo ? thats the previous relase of openstack, right ? not havannah ? | 00:58 |
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| Sam-I-Am | it uses havana by default now | 01:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | devstack is head unless you tell it otherwise | 01:00 |
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| lbalbalba | kay. so rdo is havannah now. kay. yeah i assumed devstack was head. thanks for pointing it out\ | 01:01 |
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| lbalbalba | running stack.sh now. lets see how it turns out | 01:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | did you fix sudo or is stack.sh still running from earlier | 01:06 |
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| lbalbalba | Sam-I-Am: huh? ---> did you fix sudo or is stack.sh still running from earlier | 01:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i thought you changed to fedora 19 and ran stack.sh... then i mentioned the potential sudoers problem | 01:08 |
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| lbalbalba | ah. got the problem on fedora 17/18, edited sudoers, didnt fix the problem. now running stack.sh on fedora 19. dont now how that will turn out yet | 01:09 |
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| lbalbalba | buty now that you mentioned it. i might have had to restart stack.sh on fedora 17/18 after editing the sudoers file. didnt try that | 01:10 |
| lbalbalba | great. stack,sh on fedora 19 now seems to freeze here: http://fpaste.org/56347/55602138/ | 01:13 |
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| lbalbalba | maybe i should just try rdo on rhel | 01:16 |
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| e-vad | rdo is pretty slick | 01:17 |
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| lbalbalba | is rdo the way to go ? | 01:20 |
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| kseifried | rdo actually works out of the box, so there is that consideration =) | 01:20 |
| e-vad | lbalbalba: what is your goal, quick setup, get accoustomed to openstack, etc? yeah RDO is the way to go | 01:21 |
| e-vad | one of them anyways, there is devstack, etc | 01:21 |
| lbalbalba | good enough for me. if this last try of devstack doesnt do it for me, im gonna try out rdo instead | 01:21 |
| lbalbalba | e-vad: yes: quick setup, get accoustomed to openstack | 01:21 |
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| lbalbalba | i was hoping devstack would do that for me | 01:23 |
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| lbalbalba | guess not ? | 01:23 |
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| Sam-I-Am | they both accomplish the same proof-of-concept | 01:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | however, rdo is a more permanent installation | 01:24 |
| kseifried | rdo actually has soem degree of upgrades/support | 01:25 |
| lbalbalba | okay, im sold. where's the rdo install web page ? | 01:25 |
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| kseifried | http://openstack.redhat.com/ | 01:26 |
| lbalbalba | git it : http://openstack.redhat.com/Quickstart | 01:26 |
| lbalbalba | thanks | 01:26 |
| kseifried | it's pretty trivial | 01:27 |
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| lbalbalba | trivial. and yet it fails : http://fpaste.org/56348/85256512/ | 01:28 |
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| daMaestro | lbalbalba, i don't know why, but i386 is not built for f19 | 01:30 |
| kseifried | uhh why... | 01:30 |
| daMaestro | x86_64 is there | 01:30 |
| daMaestro | dunno, i just looked at the repo | 01:30 |
| kseifried | yeah we don't support i386 / openstack | 01:31 |
| kseifried | all x86_64 | 01:31 |
| lbalbalba | hrm running in a 32-bit vmware image here ... | 01:31 |
| kseifried | if you look also OpenShift is x86_64 only | 01:31 |
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| kseifried | basically the future has been 64 bit for like a decade now =) | 01:32 |
| daMaestro | right.... ;-) i don't even know if there is a non-x86_64 proc out there that supports hardware virtualization | 01:32 |
| lbalbalba | true | 01:32 |
| kseifried | daMaestro, sparc/niagara no? | 01:32 |
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| kseifried | or am I thinking of zones | 01:32 |
| lbalbalba | nope. no support for hardware virtualization for 32 bit guests | 01:33 |
| kseifried | lbalbalba, : vmware can even emulate 64bit guests on a 32bit host | 01:33 |
| daMaestro | well i'm thinking my phone needs a new battery, or i need a new phone; 6 hours and i'm down to 50% battery with basic usage. | 01:33 |
| daMaestro | lame. | 01:33 |
| lbalbalba | damn. have to buy new hardware now after all :(( | 01:33 |
| kseifried | so you can setup 64 bit guests | 01:33 |
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| daMaestro | lbalbalba, virt on non-hardware assist is painful | 01:34 |
| kseifried | lbalbalba, : you have 32 bit hardware? | 01:34 |
| kseifried | how old is it? O_o | 01:34 |
| daMaestro | though i did use kqemu for a while ;-) | 01:34 |
| lbalbalba | an intel cure 2 duo 64 bit | 01:34 |
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| lbalbalba | but no hardware virtualization | 01:34 |
| kseifried | ohh that's why I buy amd | 01:34 |
| kseifried | don't have to check all the insane product sheets :P | 01:34 |
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| kseifried | why is intel making chips without virtualization anyways. that's like... so 2000 | 01:35 |
| lbalbalba | my system is 5 years old :((( | 01:35 |
| daMaestro | well.. the core2 duo is pretty old anyways | 01:35 |
| daMaestro | i was rocking a pentium D 3GHz dual core for about 5 years no problem | 01:35 |
| lbalbalba | guess i need to buy new hardware after all | 01:36 |
| daMaestro | i *had* to upgrade because of stupid windows 7+ was not supported by my motherboard | 01:36 |
| daMaestro | lbalbalba, what are you trying to run on it? | 01:36 |
| daMaestro | if this is just desktop, there is virt tech out there that will run sokay on that chip | 01:37 |
| kseifried | openstack on top of vmware on top of 5 year old hardware is not gonna be fun | 01:37 |
| daMaestro | psh, i have xeons older then 5 years that are running openstack just fine ;-) | 01:37 |
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| kseifried | operative word "xeon" | 01:38 |
| daMaestro | oh right, the core2 duos were just xeons that failed QA? | 01:38 |
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| daMaestro | my pentium D ... D was for defective, but they still made a consumer chip out of it ;-) | 01:38 |
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| daMaestro | don't get me wrong, i like my upgrade to the i5 and i7 chips, my fans don't run at full speed when playing intensive video games anymore | 01:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | my whole lab has 1st gen hw virt chips which means no nested hw virt. qemu is sl-o-o-o | 01:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | for just demonstrating the concept of openstack its fine, but not for any performance PoC | 01:40 |
| daMaestro | Sam-I-Am, i use kqemu for that | 01:41 |
| lbalbalba | guess im gonna need to buy that intel 4th gen i7 system after all | 01:41 |
| daMaestro | but i don't know if it still builds, have not had to use it in a while | 01:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | how is that different than qemu? | 01:42 |
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| daMaestro | http://wiki.qemu.org/KQemu/Doc | 01:42 |
| daMaestro | makes some things kernelspace | 01:43 |
| daMaestro | but it's no longer supported, as i expected | 01:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ah | 01:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | i just need new lab hardwarr | 01:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | its old and dying | 01:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | think i lose something new every week now | 01:45 |
| daMaestro | from hardware failures? | 01:45 |
| daMaestro | we've gotten luck; bar the fact if we leave a machine powered, but not on the PSUs are starting to fry | 01:46 |
| daMaestro | lucky* | 01:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mostly those spinning things... old 72 and 146 gb sas disks. now i'm seeing actual blades failing. | 01:46 |
| daMaestro | it just mean we need to make them litecoin miners while they aren't in a cluster ;-) | 01:46 |
| daMaestro | lol | 01:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | few dying on-board nics too | 01:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | its all HP bl460 gen 1 crap from 2007 or so | 01:47 |
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| daMaestro | yeah, we've avoided the blade fad | 01:47 |
| daMaestro | i never got a cogent argument for them | 01:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | it wouldnt surprise me if lab power problems have caused some of it to fail early... the UPS has been known to fail when the utiliy power is fine :/ | 01:48 |
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| Sam-I-Am | or the transfer switch blows when its needed | 01:48 |
| daMaestro | we are following some of the open hardware stuff, but we're not yet to the scale where it makes tons of sense | 01:48 |
| daMaestro | ATS stuff is always scary | 01:49 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i dont have anything against the blades at this point | 01:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | they were there when i got there | 01:49 |
| daMaestro | regular testing, isolated A/B[/C] buses and expect failure | 01:49 |
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| Sam-I-Am | if i had to do it over again... not sure what i'd do | 01:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | its a whole lot less wiring | 01:49 |
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| daMaestro | i understand the appeal, there are a couple chassis i would use; it's more down to TCO. i still have not seen it. | 01:50 |
| daMaestro | it's less expensive and more isolated failure domains with beefy 1U servers | 01:50 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i wonder if its more opex primarily due to efficiency... less power supplies. | 01:50 |
| daMaestro | ha, not if you go dense. | 01:51 |
| kseifried | longer term the fabric bandwidth can't be beat on blades | 01:51 |
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| daMaestro | to be able to fill a rack, you're bringing in 3phase no matter what | 01:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | there is also that | 01:51 |
| daMaestro | depending on the facility, you might pay through the nose for that | 01:51 |
| daMaestro | and that is assuming they can cool 30kw per rack | 01:51 |
| kseifried | I love the facebook racks with 12volt 300 amp or whatever exposed copper. how did they get that past OHSA? | 01:51 |
| kseifried | "we put up stickers saying not to touch the shiny parts" "oh. ok!" | 01:52 |
| daMaestro | "touch here to lose your job" | 01:52 |
| daMaestro | ha | 01:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | its just 12 volts! heh | 01:52 |
| daMaestro | for us, DC still only makes sense for SP level capacity | 01:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | you can go touch the positive lead on your car battery all day | 01:52 |
| kseifried | Sam-I-Am, : guess what your pc runs on.... | 01:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | most of the colos i used as an isp were dc | 01:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | or carrier hotels... | 01:53 |
| lbalbalba | <electrocuted> | 01:53 |
| kseifried | my removing the switching from the PSU that's a huge heat issue removed, plus simplicity | 01:53 |
| daMaestro | yeah, that is where you see DC most often | 01:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | centralized switching makes sense | 01:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | i just dont think distribution at 12 volts makes sense | 01:53 |
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| Sam-I-Am | at least at longer distances | 01:53 |
| kseifried | this is like within a dc | 01:54 |
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| Sam-I-Am | too much current, too much resistance, voltage drop, and heat | 01:54 |
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| kseifried | Sam-I-Am, : have you seen the size of the copper? it's like 1cm^2 thick rails at the back | 01:54 |
| daMaestro | the DC only spaces i've see have DC power plants in each row | 01:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | i wonder if they generate it higher than 12 so it shows up 12 at the racks | 01:54 |
| daMaestro | so it's a short distance for power | 01:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | only dc i've worked with is typical telco -48v | 01:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | they run 00 and 0000 wire around pretty long distances | 01:55 |
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| Sam-I-Am | then it gets into circular mils for longer runs | 01:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | but 48v would have 1/4 the amps than 12v | 01:56 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i wonder what fb does with the 5v requirement for most hardware | 01:57 |
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| anoopl | hi Sam-I-Am | 02:14 |
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| anoopl | Sam-I-Am: | 02:14 |
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| mrproper | Back! | 02:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | front | 02:25 |
| * Sam-I-Am is making dinner | 02:25 | |
| mrproper | What ya making? | 02:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | making is a bit strong of a word... | 02:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | bread and olive-oil based dip | 02:28 |
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| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: I have been reading through draft of the Oreilly OpenStack book | 02:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | any good? i have a little trouble with books on topics that move so fast | 02:33 |
| mrproper | It's not too bad. | 02:33 |
| mrproper | I'm only about 20% in and that includes TOC and preface | 02:33 |
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| mrproper | Doing a book would be hard since it would be out of date within about 4 months | 02:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | does it cover neutron | 02:34 |
| mrproper | You mean calling it Neutron instead of Quantum or do you mean in depth? | 02:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | just the concepts | 02:34 |
| mrproper | I haven't gotten far enough in, I'll let ya know. | 02:35 |
| alpharender | neutron ... I delete routers with horizon but if I ip netns, It still shows qrouters available... | 02:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | alpharender: i've noticed that too | 02:35 |
| mrproper | Kind of | 02:35 |
| alpharender | :/ | 02:35 |
| mrproper | That never happened to me. | 02:36 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: didnt you have a bunch of qrouters sitting around when we were debugging your system? | 02:36 |
| mrproper | Yeah I did. | 02:36 |
| mrproper | I don't recall what I had to do. | 02:36 |
| mrproper | I was being sarcastic btw | 02:36 |
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| Sam-I-Am | oh | 02:36 |
| mrproper | Although, I didn't use the sarcastic font. | 02:36 |
| alpharender | great.. | 02:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | once again, irc strips the tcp sarcasm flag | 02:36 |
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| Sam-I-Am | alpharender: wouldnt surprise me if theres something on ask.openstack.org about it | 02:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | or teh googles | 02:37 |
| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: By the way, for some reason Ubuntu doesn't boot on my server bare metal. | 02:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | what it fail on? | 02:38 |
| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: I would need to run an install but I think it was when looking up packages. | 02:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | network problem? | 02:39 |
| mrproper | Maybe? | 02:39 |
| mrproper | I got a new NIC so maybe it would work with that one, not sure | 02:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | i know debian doesnt include the non-free 'blob' drivers, i thought ubuntu did | 02:40 |
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| mrproper | This book does appear very heavy on the Nova side. | 02:40 |
| mrproper | Want to write a Neutron book together? :) | 02:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | i had to patch the debian initrd for pxe booting to include the non-free bnx2 nic firmware... i hadnt used cpio in years and quickly remembered why | 02:41 |
| alpharender | eh I'm confused... | 02:41 |
| alpharender | idk how the hell this thing is bridged now | 02:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: isnt neutron just pixie dust? | 02:42 |
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| mrproper | More or less. | 02:42 |
| alpharender | I have a virbr0 ...in brctl but idk how it correlates to any of my physical nics | 02:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | alpharender: is this nova-net? | 02:43 |
| alpharender | I'm using neutrino | 02:43 |
| alpharender | trying to | 02:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | alpharender: have you done anything with ovs-vsctl yet? | 02:44 |
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| alpharender | Sam-I-Am: yeah: http://dpaste.com/1481017/ | 02:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so whats the problem? | 02:46 |
| alpharender | so em1 is the physical nic... 172.24.1.0/24 is my network from the router (172.24.1.1) is the gateway | 02:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | is this an all-in-one box? | 02:46 |
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| alpharender | Sam-I-Am: http://dpaste.com/1481019/ | 02:47 |
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| alpharender | brctl just does not make sense... i tried making a nat router. but ... i can't get outside with the vm | 02:47 |
| alpharender | yeah all in one.... RDO deploy on centos :-| | 02:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | ah | 02:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | with neutron i havent needed to touch brctl | 02:47 |
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| alpharender | hmm .. weird | 02:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | so the first thing you need to do is add em1 as a port on br-ex | 02:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | it will kill your network connectivity | 02:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | then br-ex will assume the ip that used to be on em1 | 02:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | you'll probably want to mod your ifcfg files to make it work again on reboot | 02:49 |
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| Sam-I-Am | once that works, you create your external/public network as the admin tenant. no routers. tag the network as 'external' | 02:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | then create your router and internal network as the user-level tenant | 02:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: all this ring a bell? :) | 02:50 |
| mrproper | Yeah | 02:50 |
| mrproper | I know this stuff very wel | 02:50 |
| alpharender | lol..network connectivity killed just like you said... | 02:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | alpharender: for some reason the rdo docs lack mentioning the extra config in ovs-vsctl | 02:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think they're still transitioning from nova-net to neutron i think, so its kind of half-assed | 02:51 |
| alpharender | shit...br-ex had the wrong network ... (walking over to box) | 02:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: you should show me your ifcfg-eth0 and whatever else you changed to make ovs come up right on boot | 02:51 |
| mrproper | http://pastebin.com/w0Ki3Mxr | 02:53 |
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| alpharender | em1 does not need any address? | 02:55 |
| alpharender | just up it | 02:55 |
| mrproper | No | 02:55 |
| mrproper | My eth0 does not get an address, only br-ex | 02:55 |
| alpharender | how so ? does not br-ex | 02:55 |
| alpharender | thas what I'm sayin | 02:56 |
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| alpharender | rdo did whatever it felt like... | 02:56 |
| alpharender | oh want an address? here we go? a bridge for you a tun for me | 02:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | whut? | 02:57 |
| alpharender | more sarcasm | 02:57 |
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| alpharender | sorry | 02:57 |
| alpharender | :) | 02:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i need to adjust my firewall | 02:58 |
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| * mrproper wishes his apple cake looks as pretty as the one on Cook's Illustrated. | 02:58 | |
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| Sam-I-Am | going to eat it all by yourself? | 02:58 |
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| mrproper | Over a few days, but yes. | 02:59 |
| alpharender | hmm.. another company wide farewell email :-/ | 03:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | your fiancee must love you with all that cooking | 03:00 |
| alpharender | always sad | 03:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | alpharender: depends who it is i guess :/ | 03:00 |
| mrproper | She does like I cook. | 03:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | if it involved a grill or a smoker i'll do it, otherwise... no | 03:01 |
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| mrproper | See, I avoid grills. | 03:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm taking your man card | 03:03 |
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| mrproper | I went and saw Hunger Games today ;) | 03:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think someone told me to read those books | 03:07 |
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| mrproper | They're enjoyable | 03:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | i usually read something fun about an hour a day but its just been studying material for pilot stuff since mid-august now | 03:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | hopefully i can bang out this next rating shortly after the holidays | 03:08 |
| mrproper | rating/> | 03:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | going for my commercial pilot certificate | 03:09 |
| mrproper | Oh nice | 03:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | aug through several weeks ago was studying for the written exam and now i'm studying for the flight test | 03:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | huh, osu is crushing baylor | 03:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | brb | 03:12 |
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| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: Any more league today | 03:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | back | 03:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | not yet, but this football game is a disaster so probably shortly | 03:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yep, this game is crap | 03:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: hows that cake? | 03:33 |
| mrproper | League | 03:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | league it is | 03:33 |
| mrproper | Cooling. Turned out looking different than the site but it's cooling | 03:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | through s1 already | 03:33 |
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| mrproper | Yeah it's an easy show to watch | 03:42 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: btw, the last ep of s1 is gold | 03:56 |
| mrproper | What happens in it? | 03:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | andre is dating shiva... and the ball thing. | 03:56 |
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| anoopl | i am trying to install grizzly quantum on a n/w with bond.0 >> bond0.126 >> br126 vlan for DHCP for VMs | 03:57 |
| anoopl | and bond.0 >> bond0.120 >> br120 Â vlan for the external | 03:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | and taco... heh | 03:58 |
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| anoopl | so I used CONFIG_QUANTUM_OVS_TENANT_NETWORK_TYPE=vlan | 03:58 |
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| anoopl | but what would be the value for | 03:59 |
| anoopl | CONFIG_QUANTUM_OVS_BRIDGE_MAPPINGS=inter-vlan:br-inst | 03:59 |
| anoopl | and CONFIG_QUANTUM_OVS_BRIDGE_IFACES=br-inst:eth0 | 03:59 |
| anoopl | since I use the bonding and bridges for vlan | 03:59 |
| anoopl | I am confused | 03:59 |
| anoopl | i have this bridges configured | 04:00 |
| anoopl | confused about the value for | 04:00 |
| anoopl | CONFIG_QUANTUM_OVS_VLAN_RANGES=inter-vlan:182:182,inter-vlan:206:207 | 04:00 |
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| anoopl | it would be gerat if some can help me | 04:00 |
| anoopl | i m really lost on this | 04:00 |
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| daMaestro | well, openstack aside, your interface names confuse me | 04:01 |
| daMaestro | bond.0 looks like a tagged interface... and that makes no sense to me | 04:02 |
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| anoopl | daMaestro: let me explain | 04:04 |
| anoopl | I have two nice em1 and em2, that's bonded as bond.0 | 04:04 |
| daMaestro | yeah, don't do that. convention is dot names are for 802.1q interfaces. | 04:04 |
| anoopl | then i have bond0.120 >> br120 ( for external access like dash board) | 04:04 |
| daMaestro | that is all, an observation | 04:05 |
| anoopl | oh sorry, I will change that | 04:05 |
| daMaestro | if it was just bond0 i would have not said anything | 04:05 |
| anoopl | then my vlan n/w VM's fixed DHCP IP is bond0 >> bondo.126 >> br126 | 04:06 |
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| anoopl | in this case | 04:07 |
| anoopl | what would be the values for: http://paste.openstack.org/show/53860/ | 04:07 |
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| anoopl | since the documenation talks only about the physical cards | 04:08 |
| anoopl | I am confused | 04:08 |
| anoopl | can some one help me? | 04:08 |
| daMaestro | pastebin your `brctl show` and `ovs-vsctl show` | 04:09 |
| slut_tits | hi | 04:10 |
| anoopl | ok | 04:10 |
| anoopl | doing it | 04:10 |
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| anoopl | daMaestro: http://paste.openstack.org/show/53862/ | 04:12 |
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| anoopl | config values that I am looking for http://paste.openstack.org/show/53861/ | 04:13 |
| daMaestro | and `cat /proc/net/bonding/*` please | 04:14 |
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| anoopl | daMaestro: http://paste.openstack.org/show/53863/ | 04:18 |
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| daMaestro | any reason you are not using lacp? (just curious) xor layer3+4 is the next best thing if your network is configured for it | 04:19 |
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| anoopl | we already have KVM hosts running with same settings and the boss wanted me to just follow that | 04:20 |
| anoopl | yes n/w is configured for that | 04:20 |
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| anoopl | I was trying out different values for the interfaces in packstack config, now the manifests for quantum is not running | 04:23 |
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| daMaestro | anoopl, http://techbackground.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-open-vswitch-plugin-with-vlans.html might help | 04:24 |
| daMaestro | the fact i don't see anything configured in OVS is concerning | 04:25 |
| daMaestro | we use https://github.com/stackforge/puppet-neutron to configure a provider net to achieve what you are doing | 04:25 |
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| anoopl | this is not my current configs | 04:25 |
| anoopl | let me paste configs I am trying now | 04:26 |
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| anoopl | daMaestro: http://paste.openstack.org/show/53864/ | 04:30 |
| anoopl | can you help me in these configs values for my network | 04:30 |
| anoopl | I am reading your docs | 04:30 |
| anoopl | network_vlan_ranges physnet:1000:2000 | 04:32 |
| anoopl | what would be this in my case | 04:32 |
| anoopl | since its bonded | 04:32 |
| anoopl | i am not so good in n/w | 04:32 |
| anoopl | sorry | 04:32 |
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| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: I tried the cake | 04:54 |
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| alpharender | anyone do glance with sheepdog? | 05:00 |
| alpharender | sheepdog is so much easier than gluster or ceph | 05:01 |
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| paul-- | Is anyone able to help me out? https://gist.github.com/digitaldawn/76b9bf6f436a74fcf1b8 | 05:05 |
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| daMaestro | alpharender, i've been trying to follow sheepdog, you using it? | 05:08 |
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| anoopl | I get this error | 05:13 |
| anoopl | NoNetworkAvailable: Unable to create the network. No tenant network is available for allocation. | 05:13 |
| anoopl | when trying to create network from dashbaord | 05:13 |
| anoopl | i use quantum on grizzly with FlatDHCP vlan | 05:14 |
| alpharender | daMaestro: I want to... i might try it tomorrow | 05:14 |
| alpharender | i used sheepdog a looong time ago, before openstack | 05:14 |
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| alpharender | it has snapshotting built in... so interesting how that is going to work | 05:15 |
| alpharender | i think sheepdog is awesome tbh | 05:15 |
| anoopl | quantum net-create exapmle1 | 05:15 |
| anoopl | Unable to create the network. No tenant network is available for allocation. | 05:15 |
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| carnaler | hello room | 06:05 |
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| sigurding | anyone here using devstack? When I am trying to install devstack, I always get: + timeout 60 sh -c 'while ! curl --noproxy '\''*'\'' -s http://172.16.56.160:5000/v2.0/ >/dev/null; do sleep 1; done' | 08:14 |
| sigurding | + die 378 'keystone did not start' | 08:14 |
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| sigurding | anyone here using devstack? When I am trying to install devstack, I always get: + timeout 60 sh -c 'while ! curl --noproxy '\''*'\'' -s http://172.16.56.160:5000/v2.0/ >/dev/null; do sleep 1; done' + die 378 'keystone did not start' | 11:07 |
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| lbalbalba | hi. im trying to (re-)run devstack, but i get the following error: http://fpaste.org/56399/13853035/ | 14:34 |
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| lbalbalba | looks like the fedora 19 'i386' directory doesnt exist: just a 'source' and 'x86_64' | 14:35 |
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| lbalbalba | did someone delete the wrong dir or something ? :) | 14:36 |
| lbalbalba | for comparison, the fedora 18 dir f18 does have an i386 subdir | 14:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | probably because i386 is long dead and useless for virtualization? | 14:39 |
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| lbalbalba | maybe. it was working yesterday :) | 14:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | weird | 14:40 |
| lbalbalba | yeah it is. and the fedora 18 dir f18 does still have an i386 subdir | 14:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | why are you using i386 for openstack? | 14:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | i cant see that working well, if at all | 14:42 |
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| lbalbalba | im trying out openstack. running a 32 bit vm. its the combination of my hardware (intel core duo 2) and vmware. it cant do 64 bit guests, somehow | 14:42 |
| lbalbalba | why wouldnt it work ? | 14:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | performance of any VMs inside openstack would be horrid | 14:43 |
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| lbalbalba | yeah, not really looking for performance here. just kicking the tires. im the only user of the cloud here. ;) | 14:44 |
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| Sam-I-Am | sure | 14:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, at best the cirros image might run | 14:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | but i'd avoid trying to install an ubuntu/fedora cloud image | 14:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i have ancient hardware that can't do hw-accel nested VMs, but openstack is running on a 64-bit vm | 14:46 |
| lbalbalba | yeah i was kinda hoping to avoid having to buy new hardware yet. its an intel core 2 duo :( | 14:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats pretty old | 14:48 |
| lbalbalba | the system is about 5 years old, but has enough RAM and storage to run my games and apps. it even runs linux vmware images without probs | 14:48 |
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| lbalbalba | oh well... guess il do this for now, then: export OFFLINE=True; ./stack.sh | 14:55 |
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| lbalbalba | hi. im running devstack, and it looks like the 'nova x509-create-cert' commands are taking a really long time to complete (15 minutes or more). | 16:22 |
| lbalbalba | it didnt take this long before. any ideas what might be going on ? | 16:22 |
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| lbalbalba | oh, wait im getting an error now: ERROR: HTTPConnectionPool(host='192.168.126.142', port=8774): Read timed out. (read timeout=600.0) | 16:24 |
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| lbalbalba | looks like the service running on port 8774 isnt responding (fast enough). whats running on port 8774 ? | 16:25 |
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| lbalbalba | ah. that is 'nova-api' | 16:31 |
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| lbalbalba | htm. telnetting to port 8774 and doing a 'GET /' seems to work: http://fpaste.org/56423/13853107/ | 16:32 |
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| lbalbalba | sp why the 'nova x509-create-cert' timeouts ? | 16:33 |
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| lbalbalba | nova x509-get-root-cert' takes too long too. | 16:47 |
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| Sam-I-Am | doesnt stack.sh provide logs? | 16:54 |
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| lbalbalba | i have no idea. im guessin g the services like nova-api are providing logs. i just have no idea on what and where to look for them | 16:55 |
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| Sam-I-Am | stack.sh logs somewhere under /opt/stack by default | 16:57 |
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| lbalbalba | where under /opt/stack ? | 17:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | logs? | 17:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | the docs tell you all of this | 17:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | or when you run stack.sh it does | 17:12 |
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| lbalbalba | well im very sorry but i cand find it | 17:17 |
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| lbalbalba | and its not /opt/stack/logs, like you suggest. | 17:24 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i have stack.sh log files in /opt/stack/log for all runs of stack.sh | 17:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | i didnt change anything from the defaults | 17:30 |
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| lbalbalba | well i didnt change any of the defaults either. and i dont have the dir: http://fpaste.org/56430/14373138/ | 17:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thats weird | 17:33 |
| lbalbalba | and this is my localrc: http://fpaste.org/56431/31442813/ | 17:34 |
| lbalbalba | yeah. | 17:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | so you made a stack user, allowed it to sudo to root without password, git the repo from there, edited localrc as needed, and ran stack.sh? | 17:35 |
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| lbalbalba | yup. thats pretty much it. i ran the script : /usr/local/src/devstack/tools/create-stack-user.sh to create the user | 17:36 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so /usr/local/src is owned by the stack user? | 17:36 |
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| Sam-I-Am | and everything under it | 17:36 |
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| lbalbalba | usr/local/src/devstack/ is | 17:38 |
| lbalbalba | and everything underneath it | 17:38 |
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| dot | hello does anyone here use opencloud ? | 17:43 |
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| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: I setup a new VM today so I can experiment with CentOS and doing a little more of a manual install based on RDO packages. | 22:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: yo | 23:26 |
| mrproper | What's up man? | 23:26 |
| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: Have you gotten to Raffi in The League? | 23:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yup | 23:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | watching football | 23:27 |
| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: Okay you know how he calls Kevin Brian? | 23:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | mrproper: so you kept the vmware install? | 23:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 23:28 |
| mrproper | I have so far. I want to get more experience and nuke it. | 23:28 |
| mrproper | I saw a guy I haven't seen in a few years and he called me Brian on accident :) | 23:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | lol | 23:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | how was the cake? | 23:30 |
| mrproper | It turned out well actually. Not as visibly even as I wanted it but quite good. It isn't as sweet as I thought, which was a welcome thing. | 23:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm making ribs for dinner. mmm, love that bbq. | 23:32 |
| mrproper | Nice | 23:32 |
| mrproper | I want to BBQ in the winter | 23:32 |
| mrproper | Should do it this week :) | 23:32 |
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| mrproper | Okay lets see if VPN works on 10.9 | 23:34 |
| * Sam-I-Am hasnt 'upgraded' | 23:34 | |
| Sam-I-Am | and probably wont | 23:34 |
| mrproper | Why not? | 23:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | most of my ios things are still 6 | 23:34 |
| mrproper | The battery savings in 10.9 are great. | 23:34 |
| mrproper | There are nice things about iOS 7 but as a whole...I prefer 6. | 23:35 |
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| mrproper | The look is poopie | 23:35 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the last few rounds of osx updates have broken things and increased annoyingness | 23:35 |
| mrproper | I'm sorry everyone. But a white look with thin lines are not "beautiful" and "gorgeous" | 23:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | and the ios walled garden is quickly approaching the mac platform | 23:36 |
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| mrproper | The walled garden doesn't bother me so much | 23:36 |
| mrproper | Do you remember in the 90's when it was really trendy to get family photos of everyone wearing black shirts, white jeans, and it was placed on some board which had the people cut out of it> | 23:36 |
| mrproper | That's what iOS 7 and all this "flat" or whatever you want to call it crap is. | 23:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | heh | 23:37 |
| mrproper | It's like sponge painting | 23:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | the walled garden means i can only do what apple lets me do | 23:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | which at some point will mean not installing anything they dont approve | 23:37 |
| mrproper | I still find I enjoy the experience and what I can do on my Mac more than on Windows still. | 23:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | or doesnt meet the app store terms of use | 23:37 |
| mrproper | The terms will be what get you. | 23:38 |
| mrproper | Linux on the desktop...I don't know man. | 23:38 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thats why i went to the mac | 23:38 |
| mrproper | Linux? | 23:38 |
| mrproper | I think Mac killed Linux desktop. A lot of the Linux developers jumped ship to OS X | 23:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah. apple was the first company to build a usable desktop with plenty of useful apps on top of unix | 23:39 |
| mrproper | I used to use GNOME exclusively but that shit itself. | 23:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | heh | 23:40 |
| mrproper | I don't really like it much. | 23:41 |
| mrproper | I tried the other day. It's a little more reasonable than I recall but the look isn't amazing. The artwork doesn't feel crisp. | 23:42 |
| mrproper | I know, I sound like an Apple snob. | 23:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | theres too much forking on linux with incompatible things | 23:42 |
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| mrproper | OH...and to get an icon into the shortcuts bar in GNOME? Painful. | 23:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | so how does one do a manual install with rdo? | 23:42 |
| mrproper | Sam-I-Am: I heard a saying the other day. "Citrix is like Linux on the Desktop" | 23:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | or are you just going to use it as a reference | 23:43 |
| mrproper | http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/yum/content/ | 23:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | ah ok | 23:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i've been using the debian/ubuntu guide | 23:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | which is also the one i've been patching | 23:44 |
| mrproper | I'd use Debian. Like I said, Ubuntu doesn't install on my server for no reason. | 23:44 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think some of the patches were made to both docs since they source from the same markup | 23:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | didnt figure out what that ubuntu problem was? | 23:44 |
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| mrproper | No I haven't tried. Like Google, Ubuntu is a company I'm moving away from when possible. | 23:45 |
| mrproper | Happy to use Debian though. | 23:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm halfway tempted to try installing openstack on el, but i'm not nearly as familiar with el | 23:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | guess i can learn anything... | 23:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | at this point i dont much care what openstack runs on, it just needs to provide the least amount of resistance | 23:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | my refeence arch shouldnt care much about the distro | 23:47 |
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| mrproper | RHEL 6.5 came out the other day. So CentOS should upgrade soon and break all my stuff. | 23:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | my company doesnt sell any linux products | 23:48 |
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| Sam-I-Am | theres no way to make money on linux, right :/ | 23:48 |
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| mrproper | Oh no not at all. | 23:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats kind of why i'm up for being distro-agnostic | 23:49 |
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| mrproper | Oh for sure, so am I. | 23:50 |
| mrproper | I'm good with either Deb or EL/CentOS | 23:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | now i need to get openstack working on openbsd :) | 23:52 |
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