Thursday, 2014-01-16

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notmynameMooingLemur: a quick glance of the changelog doesn't show anything about memcache formats changing (but that's all I looked at and 1.7.6 was a long time ago)00:00
notmynameMooingLemur: did you restart memcache could you have values still there from 1.7.6?00:00
MooingLemurI restarted all the memcaches, but I still have live 1.7.6 proxies feeding them.  This cluster is half-upgraded00:00
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MooingLemurnotmyname: if you think it might be a memcache formatting problem, I'll try splitting the configs and pointing the new proxies at a different set of memcaches.00:03
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MooingLemurI had the luxury of doing that with my other cluster, half the proxies were on one vlan with its own set of memcaches.00:04
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MooingLemurthat might explain why I see this now and didn't before00:04
MooingLemurthanks :)00:04
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Sam-I-Ammrproper: hey00:12
Sam-I-Amnotmyname: hi00:12
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notmynameSam-I-Am: hi00:13
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Sam-I-Amhow's things?00:14
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mrproperWhat's up Sam-I-Am00:25
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Sam-I-Ammrproper: not much00:31
Sam-I-Ambeginning job #2 :)00:31
mrproperYeah same here.00:31
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mrproperShe's an Ice....House00:31
Sam-I-Amheh00:31
Sam-I-Ami actually got all the way to neutron on that00:31
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Sam-I-Amapparently ubuntu doesnt include a default ml2 plugin config file, so i have to make one from scratch... perhaps a bug i need to file upstream00:31
Sam-I-Amso far i also have avoided needing to edit paste ini files00:32
mrproperShouldn't the file be similar to a previous one?00:32
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Sam-I-Amthere is no ml2 file00:32
Sam-I-Amas in... it doesnt exist anywhere00:32
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Sam-I-Ammight not be an issue on rh... havent done that distro yet00:33
Sam-I-Ambut its next00:33
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mrproperI did some labbing of vPC configuration today00:35
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Sam-I-Amoh?00:35
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mrproperYeah, wasn't too bad. A little more complex than it should be. Win for FabricPath00:37
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Sam-I-Ami got to learn about vmware's orchestration stuff00:38
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BALLShi00:52
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BALLSis there anyone familiar with ceilometer setup?00:53
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BALLSanyone can help?00:56
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BALLSanyone familiar with Ceilometer?01:11
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BALLSanyone can help?01:20
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BALLSanyone familiar with ceilometer setup?01:49
rjimenoI'm a newbie following Havana's installation guide. At some poing (requirements to add the dashboard) I'm asked to:01:49
rjimeno'OpenStack Compute installation. Enable the Identity Service for user and project management. Note the URLs of the Identity Service and Compute endpoints.'01:49
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rjimenoWhat do they mean by that?01:49
Sam-I-Amrjimeno: link?01:50
rjimenoI do have a controller computer as well as once compute node computer.01:50
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rjimenoSam-I-Am: I'm reading from a PDF. Give me a minute to find the equivalent on the web.01:50
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rjimenoSam-I-Am: http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/yum/content/dashboard-system-requirements.html01:52
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Sam-I-Amso on the controller... you probably installed nova and created endpoints for stuff in keystone.01:54
Sam-I-Amthe endpoints had some urls like... http://controller:969601:54
Sam-I-Amthose are the ones you might need01:54
Sam-I-Amif you can't find them, try 'keystone endpoint-list'01:55
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Sam-I-Amtime for me to eat dinner01:56
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rjimenoI see them now Sam-I-Am. Thanks!01:56
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BALLSguys, I solved the ceilometer problem.01:59
rjimenoGuys, on http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/yum/content/dashboard-system-requirements.html (I think) I'm told to give the 'keystone' user, sudo privileges.01:59
BALLSthe command is wrong on http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/yum/content/ceilometer-install-glance.html01:59
rjimenoCan someone please confirm or deny that?01:59
BALLSI have followed the comments to fix my problem01:59
Sam-I-AmBALLS: file a bug (theres a link at the bottom)01:59
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Sam-I-Amrjimeno: basically, create a user that has sudo access and configure apache to use it02:02
Sam-I-Amrjimeno: keystone may also need to know about that user02:02
Sam-I-Am-> really eating now02:02
rjimenoSam-I-Am: Hope you find some good food :-)02:03
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BALLSdone.02:04
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BALLSSam-I-Am: I have two instance that cannot be deleted again02:10
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BALLSSam-I-Am: should be matched to this bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/124625802:11
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BALLSSam-I-Am: here?02:22
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Sam-I-AmBALLS: away eating02:22
BALLSoops sorry02:22
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Sam-I-AmBALLS: did you create other networks?02:37
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BALLSSam-I-AM: I created the instance using wrong tenant, and after that, the instances are stucked and cannot be removed02:45
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Sam-I-Amit sounds like you'll have to delete the problem network02:46
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BALLSbut I did not create new network02:48
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BALLSjust using "admin" tenant to create instance and leading to have this problem02:48
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BALLSif you still remember, I have resinstall the openstack before in order to cleaning up this problem02:49
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Sam-I-Amyeah... although i'm not sure it was the exact problem02:50
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BALLSno I heat the same problem02:50
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BALLShit02:50
BALLSand I believed it is related to this bug02:50
BALLShttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/124625802:50
Sam-I-Amwhat command did you use to launch this instance?02:50
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BALLSI used heat to create the instance this time02:52
BALLSbut using wrong teant02:52
BALLSbut using wrong tenant02:52
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Sam-I-Amah02:52
Sam-I-Amthe admin tenant, or another one you created?02:53
Sam-I-Amdid heat create any networks?02:53
BALLSno02:53
BALLSI leave the problem instance in the system02:54
BALLSthen using the correct tenant to create one more, an it works02:54
BALLSbut I am no longer able to delete the problem instances02:54
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Sam-I-Amtheres probably a way02:56
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Sam-I-Ami dont know how, but you could search/ask on ask.openstack.org or join the openstack mailing list02:56
BALLSI think the bugs is being reported.02:57
BALLSand I think I can only leave the problem instances and wait for the fix02:57
BALLSSam-I-Am: btw, I have questions on neutron02:58
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BALLScan ask?02:58
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Sam-I-Amyeah02:59
BALLSI know there are several plugins on neutron03:00
BALLSbasically, how it works?03:00
Sam-I-Amyeah there are many plug-ins03:00
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BALLScan give me a brief idea on how it works, says loadbalancer03:01
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Sam-I-Amwell, those are a little different03:03
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Sam-I-Amthe idea is that you can virtualize network things that are usually hardware... for example, a router or firewall03:04
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Sam-I-Amso you spin up a VM thats a firewall and use virtual connections (via neutron) to route traffic through it... just like you would do with a hardware firewall and ethernet cables03:05
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BALLSok. so u mean the hardware firewall is changed to a api layer where can be accessed by neutron, rite?03:07
Sam-I-Amyeah, pretty much03:07
Sam-I-Amits changed to a software thing03:07
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Sam-I-Amor... hardware devices can hand out virtual components03:07
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Sam-I-Amthere's sort of no limit to how it can work03:08
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BALLS"or... hardware devices can hand out virtual components"03:08
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BALLSthis is what I am not understand03:08
BALLSI know switch vendor like brocade has product to serve for openstack03:09
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Sam-I-Amsome hardware firewalls have the capability of offering virtual 'slices' that plug into your neutron environment03:09
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MooingLemurnotmyname: that's exactly what it was (memcache objects written to by Swift 1.7.6 for tempurl were confusing Swift 1.11), thanks for the guidance.03:09
BALLSvirtual slices?03:10
Sam-I-Amso you get the benefits of "owning" the firewall with the acceleration and reliability of hardware03:10
Sam-I-AmBALLS: just think of it as tenants for a firewall device03:10
Sam-I-Ameach tenant has a set of rules03:10
BALLSarr.... ic03:11
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BALLSso, it is really depended on how the plugins work on different vendors03:13
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Sam-I-Amyes03:14
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Sam-I-Amand some of them are proprietary03:14
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adhioutlinedHi, I want to try Havana with neutron using xenserver as Hypervisor, somebody can tell what I have to do to prepare xenserver works with neutron ?03:14
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BALLSadhioutlined: u mean u want to install openstack on and OS which is a VM (xenserver)?03:22
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BALLSSam-I-Am: pls correct me, at this moment, there is no load balancer function on neutron, rite?03:23
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BALLSrite?03:25
Sam-I-Amhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS03:25
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adhioutlined@BALLS : yes for compute node, while using xenserver as hypervisor, compute node installed as VM(domU) in xenserver (dom0)03:26
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BALLSadhioutlined: I don't think you need anything special. I am running it on KVM03:27
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BALLSSam-I-Am: Thanks. looks complicated though03:28
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BALLSSam-I-Am: do you have any experience on it?03:29
Sam-I-Amnot yet03:29
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BALLSumm ok03:35
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BALLSSam-I-Am?04:01
BALLSOne thing I do not understand on neutron setup.04:01
BALLSwhy there is a need to create another tenant in actual?04:02
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Sam-I-Amhuh?04:04
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BALLSI have abit confused on when need to create keystone user04:09
BALLSI have abit confused on when need to create keystone user and tenant04:09
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Sam-I-Amthink of a tenant as an apartment. the apartment has several rooms (VMs) and several users who may control those rooms.04:11
BALLSok04:12
BALLSso I am confused before04:12
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BALLSwe need to create user in keystone becuase of different services, like nova, neutron, ceilometer04:12
BALLSand tenant actually related to vm instance,04:13
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BALLSam I correct?04:14
Sam-I-Amyeah, but the services have 'system' users04:14
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Sam-I-Amthey also use the 'service' tenant04:14
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BALLSin previous information, we need to create "user_one" to manage the tenant04:15
BALLSthis is because we want to have a separated user for the hosting the instance, am I correct to say that?04:16
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Sam-I-Amthe tenant is just a box.  you have to create users within the tenant to manage it04:19
Sam-I-Amanother tenant can have the same user names, but they're under another tenant04:19
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BALLSumm.. ok04:23
BALLSI need to digest abit04:23
BALLSand u should go rest :D04:23
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larsksSam-I-Am: Props! :)04:39
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Sam-I-Amlarsks: hmm?04:40
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Sam-I-Ami thought xml+tired=??? but this stuff compiled...04:41
Sam-I-Amdont think i'll submit the patch until i'm more conscious though04:41
BALLSguys, one question come up. how to make the openstack system in HA?04:41
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BALLSwhat I meant is, how to make controller/network/compute nodes in redundancy mode?04:44
BALLScompute node may not required if we have multiple compute nodes available04:44
BALLSbut how about controller and network?04:44
Sam-I-Amsome things have more redundancy than others04:45
Sam-I-Ami see quite a few people use haproxy04:45
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BALLSu r not talking about the neutron-haproxy rite?04:46
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Sam-I-Amno04:46
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Sam-I-Amneutron its kind of weird in its redundancy04:46
Sam-I-Amhopefully it will get better with the next release04:46
BALLSok. I noticed that neutron also has plugin on haproxy04:48
BALLSit is served for loadbalancing sth rite?04:48
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Sam-I-Amyeah04:48
BALLSnoted04:50
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tejuhi all...can anyone help me with creating buttons in a column of a table?05:42
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ikkeTg'morning, how to add a community event to community events list?06:08
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anandiptables: Unloading modules:  iptable_nat iptable_filter iptable_nat iptable_filter ip_tables                                              [FAILED]06:18
anandcan't able to stop iptables06:18
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cppkinghello,guys08:17
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cppkingwhat's the best choice for async message queue in openstack , rabbitmq/qpid/zeromq? Is there other selection.08:18
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cppkinganother question , i can't use fuel's default configuration for centos and ubuntu install,where can i get support08:36
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miguitascppking: go to the fuel channel08:47
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TankadoHello, i am trying to install devstack, in the first time i run ./stack.sh i get this: http://pastebin.com/d5w3Aiz4 , i tried googling but can't find anything usefull09:07
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piokieTankado: are you behind proxy ?09:32
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nspmangalorehi all09:47
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nspmangalorei had a running swift proxy + data node A. I had another running swift proxy + data node B. Both had their own data. Today i decided to add node B to node A's rings using ring builder. Then copied the rings to node B. Now, when i GET from node A's proxy, i see all my old data in A. when i GET from node B's proxy, however, I see all my old data in B + all the data in A.09:54
nspmangalorehow can i get the 2 in sync with each other?09:54
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nspmangaloresorry, my bad. i just had to restart memcached09:58
darky^Hehe, nspmangalore.09:59
darky^At least you found out. These kind of problems are the most awful ones. ;)09:59
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nspmangaloreoh wait. looks like i decided too quickly10:01
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odyssey4meCan anyone help out with a quantum/neutron l3 agent issue? My instances can't seem to communicate with the router.10:01
nspmangaloreB's data has disappeared again10:01
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darky^Someone knows about: 2014-01-16 10:05:07.141 12909 TRACE neutron.openstack.common.rpc.amqp AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'refresh_firewall'10:07
darky^ ?10:07
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darky^Anyone ever had problems with GRE Tunnels not been established using ML2 Plugin?10:42
darky^br-int creates ports for new machines but br-tun is only assigned to br-tun and patch-int but gre port is missing.10:43
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darky^protip: local_ip on one node might be wrong. *meh*11:05
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odyssey4meAny thoughts on why an instance which is able to get an ip address from dhcp can't communicate with the router's internal interface? The setup is Openstack Grizzly & Quantum with GRE tunneling.11:09
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odyssey4meThe instances can communicate with each other, even on different hosts, so it doesn't seem like the tunneling is the issue. The L3 Router for the tenant can communicate from the external interface to the outside world. It's just the internal interface, though UP, that just doesn't seem to want to work.11:11
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MorsicusHi, I've a problem with nova instance : libvirtError: Unable to read from monitor:11:19
MorsicusAny idea11:19
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darky^Morsicus, could be due to multiple reasons but most properbly due to vnc.11:32
darky^Morsicus, pay attention to the variables "vncserver_listen" and "vncserver_proxyclient_address" on every Node.11:33
darky^They HAVE TO be the IP of the actual node - not of the controller.11:33
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darky^Also I made the mistake previously that I had set vnc_enabled = true on the compute node.11:34
darky^you should only set vncserver_proxyclient_address and vncserver_listen as vnc properties on compute node.11:34
darky^all the other vncserver settings have to be done on controller node.11:34
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darky^odyssey4me, is the GRE tunnel set up proper? Do you see the GRE Interface via "ovs-vsctl show"?11:35
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darky^What would be the "most common" way to do storage replication between nodes?11:39
darky^glusterfs?11:39
darky^swift?11:39
darky^Or even Ceph?11:39
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odyssey4medarky^ - It really depends on what you're comfortable with, and what the storage purpose is. There is instance storage (nova), block storage (cinder) and object storage (swift).11:52
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odyssey4medarky^ - For instance storage, NFS appears to be popular. Block storage is varied, but Ceph is quite popular. For Object Storage either Swift or Ceph (with RGW).11:53
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odyssey4medarky^ - see slide 7 here: http://www.slideshare.net/openstack/openstack-user-survey-october-201311:55
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odyssey4medarky^ - and yes, my GRE tunnels seem to be fine as the instances can see each other. I've just noticed that it seems that the router's internal port is not tagged... whereas it should have the same tag as the dhcp interface showing in OVS.11:56
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odyssey4medarky^ - it turns out that the missing tag was the cause12:19
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odyssey4merestarting the ovs agent did the trick, although it has the annoying habit of removing all interfaces before running through them to set them up again, resulting in a brief bit of comms loss for those that were working12:20
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DrankisBobBall, hello! I use NFS shared storage, and for me didn't work instance resize, I mentioned you about that once. This solved issue - https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/4303/instance-resizing-not-working-with-xenserver-62/ . At least on one-host environment.13:05
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kpavelHi, i'm trying to use baremetal driver. What should be the "--pm_address" argument in the "nova baremetal-node-create"? Is it IP of the baremetal node that is currently powered off? Sounds weird, because it suppose to be received via DHCP?13:45
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BobBallThanks for the info Drankis14:04
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BobBallwe can probably make it work to the same host by checking the "destination" host and using a cp rather than rsync - which doesn't know any better14:05
badamscould anyone tell me reasons why my internal neutron metadata server might return a 500 response error?14:05
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Sam-I-Ambadams: wrong region set?14:09
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badamsSam-I-Am: in all my nova.conf's right?14:12
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Sam-I-Ambadams: in metadata_agent.ini too14:14
Sam-I-Ammost of the confs default to regionOne, but metadata defaults to RegionOne, and case matters14:14
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DrankisBobBall, do you know how to create cross-server private network in XS 6.2? With XS 5.6, 6.1 it was possible to create though XenCenter.14:39
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darky^Is there any nice "Howto" for Ceph "Newbies" to use Ceph w. Openstack and Ubuntu 12.04 LTS?14:45
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BobBallStill use xencenter Drankis15:03
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DrankisBobBall, thanks, I read, only with vswitch controller.15:05
BobBalloh, you mean the dvsc?  That might be true...15:06
Drankisyeah15:06
BobBallwas that in 6.2?15:06
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Drankislooks like is deprecated but still available15:06
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DrankisBobBall, yeah, it is in downloads http://www.citrix.com/downloads/xenserver/product-software/xenserver-62.html15:08
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Chocobois there a way to throttle CPU so that a VM only gets it's allocated usage?  For example:  If you have 2x 1-VCPU VMs running on a single cpu compute node is there a way to limit the VCPUs to 50% of the physical core?15:09
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BuSerD@Chocobo, maybe you can set the overcommit to 0.515:25
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BuSerDIf the logic in the code only does the raw math it won't restrict you for setting a number less than 115:26
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BuSerDhttp://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-ops/content/overcommit.html15:26
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ChocoboBuSerD: I think that is just for the scheduler.  I would like it so if I had a 1-to-1 cpu-to-vcpu ratio I could still throttle the vcpu to my oversubscription rate15:30
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badamsis it possible to pick and choose floating ips to assign using neutron?15:32
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jproulxChocobo you are correct cpu_ratio is only used buy the scheduler not the hypervisor15:33
BuSerDI see Chocobo. I have no idea if a method exists to reach that goal. Would be nice though.15:33
jproulxI don't think there's an OpenStack way of doing that, but there probably is a way in your underlying hypervisor15:34
gmi2Chocobo: you can set quotas for the flavor: docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content//customize-flavors.html15:34
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Chocobogmi2: that looks like what I want.  Thanks.15:36
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gmi2Chocobo:welcome, just keep in mind there is a bug in Havana that affects the network bandwidth quota, so I'm not sure if the cpu works well either15:37
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Chocobogmi2: I am using Grizzly.  Hopefully it is ok?15:50
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gmi2Chocobo: I don't think that feature is even available in Grizzly, but give it a try15:51
ChocoboOk thanks.15:52
ChocoboDo you happen to know if there is a good way to generate OpenStack IDs?   All of my flavors are generated in dashboard and have IDs like: d2fdf20b-5c88-4b12-a265-fd245a680ce0.  I would like to create a flavor on the CLI and keep the ID of the same format.15:53
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ChocoboEh, I can get it pretty close with: $(openssl rand -hex 4)-$(openssl rand -hex 2)-$(openssl rand -hex 2)-$(openssl rand -hex 2)-$(openssl rand -hex 6)15:57
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jproulx uuidgen15:58
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gmi2Chocobo: in Havana, if you specify "auto" in nova flavor-create is generating its own UUID15:59
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Chocobojproulx: that is a heck of a lot easier!  thanks16:00
gmi2Chocobo: you can use this one f29b9feb-1be4-43bd-951d-5c589c884401 if you wish16:00
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badamsanyone know what a 500 return code from the neutron metadata proxy might indicate?16:04
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larsksbadams: I saw Sam-I-Am suggested the region setting...did you check that?16:12
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gsagieI have devstack and i can't install it using the stack.sh script, i had a problem with the pip SSL certificate so i edit /tools/install_pip.sh file to include -k in the curl command, now it fails here =>  " Could not fetch URL https://pypi.python.org/simple/prettytable/: There was a problem confirming the ssl certificate:" anyone has any idea?16:17
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badamslarsks: yeah i did check that16:19
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badamslarsks: wasn't set before but it is now and didnt make a difference as far as i can tell16:19
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larsksbadams: Bummer.16:20
badamsyoure teling me16:20
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badamstelling*16:20
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larsksbadams: Have you tried running the metadata proxy straight from the command line to see if anything shows up with --debug that's not making it into the logs?16:24
pvbillHi, I'm looking to massively oversubscribe virtual machines/vCPUs to allocate some work functions that will be mostly unused or have very minimal workload (say 300-600 vCPUs per physical server?). Anyone have useful metrics or tips on how to do this? (including CPU & memory oversubscribing). Tx, Bill16:24
badamslarsks: i will have in the next 5 minutes16:24
larsksbadams: Here's how I did it just now: https://gist.github.com/larsks/845790816:24
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badamslarsks: thanks16:25
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badamslarsks: once again, i have multiple neutron metadata proxies running, only one listening on 969716:27
badamsany significance?16:28
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badamslarsks: also, why did you execute the process as the neutron user instead of the original root user?16:30
jproulxbadams are you using network namespaces?16:30
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badamsjproulx: i dont believe so16:31
larsksbadams: ...because I wasn't paying attention and assumed it was running as 'neutron' :)16:31
badamshaha gotcha16:31
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badamsjproulx: actually i might be16:32
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jproulxbadams: 'ip netns' will tell you if any are configured16:32
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badamsthen yes i am16:32
larsksbadams: Do you have multiple routers defined?  Or have you created/destroyed several routers?16:33
badamsi have done that16:33
larsksbadams: (this is re: having multiple proxy instances)16:33
jproulxthe additional metadata agents are *probably* litening inside thoes16:33
badamsthe latter16:33
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badamson port 80 though?16:33
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jproulxto run a command in a netns do:16:34
jproulxip netns exec qdhcp-53e05418-5e6f-4bf9-a87e-8840e727b47a netstat -tlnp16:34
larsksbadams: They shouldn't be listening on port 80, no.16:34
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jproulxmu metadata agent proxies are listening on port 80 in the qdhcp-<uuid> name spaces16:35
jproulxs/mu/my/;16:35
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larsksjproulx: Really?  That's odd.  I've only seen them running in the router namespaces, listening on high ports and relying on iptables for a redirect from port 80.16:36
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TVR_Anyone here good with neutron? I have a two node cluster... the second node (compute node) ERROR's when instances try to create on it and I see the ovs-vsctl show doesn't show the tap port like on the controller / compute node16:36
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jproulxI'm not running routers, so they are technically 'isolated networks'16:36
jproulx(well the routers are outside openstack)16:37
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larsksjproulx: Interesting. I should try that.16:37
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larsksTVR_: Anything in the logs (e.g., /var/log/nova/compute.log) to go along with the ERROR state?16:38
badamslarsks: btw, i reran the neutron proxy using debug and it gave me squat16:38
larsks\o/16:38
TVR_one sec.. just rebooted the offending server so it would be in a clean state..16:38
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badamsok, a netstat inside of the dhcp namespace gave me this http://paste.openstack.org/show/61372/16:42
badamsand one of those random neutron proxy procs is there16:43
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badamsbut should that 169.254.169.254 port be 53?16:44
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larsksbadams: That's dnsmasq, which is (among other things) a dns server, so yes.  It just binds to all available addresses.16:46
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badamslarsks: ok16:48
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jproulxbadams modulo IP addresses your past looks just like my working config16:53
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jproulxyou do need to be sure client routes are correct to use it.16:53
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badamsjproulx: could you expand on that if you don't mind?16:55
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jproulxSince it's a link local IP they should, but I've found the need to put a host route in to get it to work consistently16:55
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jproulxI'll look up my specific example...16:55
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badamsyou mean directly on the vm? or on the compute node16:56
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jproulxon the VM (but via neutron subnet config &dhcp)16:57
badamsjproulx: ahh, ok16:58
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badamswhat appears to be the host route options for neutron subnet-create16:58
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badamsoption*16:58
jproulxyes set the IP of your dhcpagent as the route for 169.254.169.254/3216:59
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jproulxhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/61374/17:02
jproulxshows my network & subnet state17:02
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jproulxwhere 192.168.160.1 next-hop is the ip in the q-dhcp namespace17:03
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Amto_res_:q17:04
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badamsjproulx: so how did you know to choose 192.168.160.1 as the next hop in the route?17:07
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badamsin my internal network, 100.100.1.1 is the gateway, 100.100.1.2 is compute:nova, and 100.100.1.3 is the dhcp17:08
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badamsi understand i want to point it to the dhcp, but how do i know where thats going to be every time?17:09
jproulxip netns qdhcp-0a1d0a27-cffa-4de3-92c5-9d3fd3f2e74d ip addr17:09
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badamsbut doesnt that only become defined after i define the network?17:09
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jproulxyes, I edited the network after creation, and strictly speaking you are right this address is not assured to be invariant.  In practice it has not varied for me and is the first available IP in the allocation pool17:11
jproulxnow I'm a little nervous about that assumption (which is probably a good thing)17:11
badamsi dont think its varied for me either, but that doesnt mean it wont17:11
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jproulxfor reference I set that up in August after upgrading to Grizzly and moving to quantum from nova-network, still the same after havana upgrade17:13
jproulxAnother option that works but not sure if it can be expressed in neutron17:13
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badamssee i had this working under grizzly without having to add a host route or anything17:14
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jproulxis to set ip route add 169.254.169.254/32 dev eth017:14
jproulxon the Vm17:14
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jproulxIs this an upgrade or new havana install?17:15
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badamsnew17:15
jproulxSO not the issue I saw, on upgrade my grizzly metadata-agents kept hold of the ports, apparently removing the old packages didn't k`ill off the processes as I'd expecte17:16
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jproulxI'm probably leading you a bit astray since the l3-agent routers really should take care of this for you.  I need the host routes because my routers outside openstack and shared with non-openstack systems17:18
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badamsit's actually in line with some other things ive read, so it doesnt seem too far off17:19
badamshow did you make a live edit to the subnet?17:19
jproulxthat may be a moral "should" rather than a technical "should" :)17:19
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badamsyeah17:20
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jproulxneutron subnet-update or through Horizon17:20
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badamsok, i didnt click in far enough to get there17:22
jproulxyeah it's pretty deep17:22
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badamsjproulx: yeah that didnt fix it17:29
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badamsi think its finding the server, but something is going wrong inside it17:30
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badamswhen i run neutron agent-list, should the metadata agent appear?17:33
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larsksbadams: metadata agents do not show up in agent-list on my system.17:41
badamslarsks: cool, just making sure17:41
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badamslarsks: are you still here? do you mind checking something for me?18:00
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larsksbadams: Sure.18:00
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badamslarsks: what do you have the bind_host set to in your neutron.conf on your compute node?18:01
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larsksLet me check...18:03
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larsks/etc/neutron/neutron.conf:bind_host = 0.0.0.018:03
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badamsand the port?18:04
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larsks/etc/neutron/neutron.conf:bind_port = 969618:05
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fleishhi all, I'm having an issue where nodes I create with chef's knife utility have issues on reboot. they don't seem to poll the nova controller for their data and therefore throw "no instance data found in start-local" ... and then "cloud-init-nonet waiting 120 seconds for a network device." until they timeout. during this time though, I can ping the node ip address so it seems it manages to dhcp correctly. but I don't see anything in18:56
fleishnova-api.log file indicating it asks for its data. any ideas?18:56
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larsksfleish: By "nodes" do you mean "instances"? So the instances boot and have functional networking, they're just unable to contact the metadata server?19:08
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fleishlarsks: yes on instances. on boot they hang for 2 minutes and then "cloud-init-nonet gave up waiting for a network device." and then finally finish booting up all the services and such. until they pass that hump I can only ping the node ... no network services like ssh or anything have fired up until after it prints out the ci-info ip address/routing info and continues booting up19:09
larsksBut once they're up, networking works (you can ssh into them/access web sites from them/etc)?19:10
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fleishyes19:10
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fleishit seems chef is changing something that is breaking this, but I'm not sure what it could be19:11
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larsksInside your instance, if you run "ip route", do you see a route to 169.254.0.0/16?19:12
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fleishnegative, it uses the default route to get there19:13
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fleishit *should* anyway, and it works once I can get into the node19:13
larsksYou mean you can access the metadata service once you log in?19:13
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larsksThat's a new one.19:14
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larsks...unless cloud-init is somehow starting before networking comes up.19:14
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fleishyeah, ubuntu@test4:~$ curl http://169.254.169.254/2009-04-04/meta-data/block-device-mapping/swap19:15
fleishreturns /dev/sdb19:16
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larsksfleish: you've run into something I haven't seen before.  It sounds like an ordering issue in your startup scripts...at least, that's the first place I'd like (maybe sticking something like "ip addr show > /root/debug" into cloud-init or something).19:19
larskss/like/look/19:19
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fleishlarsks: thanks, I'm going to do a debug run of the chef client to see if I can't figure out what all it's changing in that arena19:25
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fleishlarsks: found some breadcrumbs in /var/log/cloud-init.log: http://pastebin.com/be0UWYdH19:31
fleishalong with a way to mitigate it in /etc/init/cloud-init-nonet.conf which allows me to lower the timeout when it happens ... still trying to figure out what's happening that would mess up the connectivity like this19:32
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fleishI do mess with the routing table, but nothing that should be trap 169.254.169.25419:33
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jameshydeit seems to me that openstack support for lxc is still poor. Is this a fair statement?19:40
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fleishlarsks: it seems this is the culprit ... when I add this to my interfaces file the issue happens: http://pastebin.com/RvSjc6Cv19:49
larsksfleish: That's in an interface file on your host? Or inside an instance?19:51
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fleishlarsks: that's inside the instance19:51
fleishif I remove it, everything boots right up19:51
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larsksYeah, I'm puzzled, especially since you're using a /32 netmask so the odds of it causing weird routing issues seems low.19:53
fleishI actually add another /32 IP (public, not private) to lo directly using an up hook and it doesn't cause any problems19:53
fleishonly this one which has a separate index lo:21 ... vs lo19:54
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cjm_HI Folks, I'm not clear on what services the cloud platform brings to bear and what configuration of my virtual machines I have to do to both accommodate openstack or compensate for openstack.19:58
cjm_If I deploy, say, a Fedora image to my openstack cloud absent any specific configuration, will I be able to use its desktop through, say, a browser?   Obviously, if the Fedora image is properly configured, I could use VNC or RDP, but does this mean I need to deploy a properly "pre-configured" image, or does openstack have a mechanism where this configuration is "asserted" during spin up or installation in the absence of any overriding configuration?  These also me19:58
cjm_an I have to have the native clients on my local machine, and the world is moving toward the universal client, the web browser, so is there a browser-based way to interact with my virtual machines' desktops?19:58
cjm_And that leaves the final question. Do I configure an image and deploy it knowing that it will live in a cloud absent display hardware, or can I do an install to my cloud and expect that the resulting image will have some method of connection over and above ssh, like some form of remote desktop provided as a service of the cloud platform?19:59
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larskscjm_: There are a variety of mechanisms -- not specific to openstack -- that can be used to perform initial configuration of an instance.  Many cloud images (fedora/ubuntu/others) include the "cloud-init" package, which will let you install packages, run scripts, etc., using data you inject when you boot the instance in the cloud.20:01
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larsksOpenStack certainly provides browser-based access to the system console, which if you were to install a desktop environment could be used to access that environment.  I'm not sure it would be fun, though.  A typical virtual desktop sort of scenario would probably use something like vnc/rdp/x/etc to provide the service.20:03
fleishlarsks: confirmed if I change how I add the interface to stick it on lo instead of lo:21 it works fine20:03
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larsksfleish: That's just weird.  I don't know enough about debian/ubuntu style networking to guess what's going on there.20:03
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larskscjm_: Note also that while openstack does provide browser-based console access, other solutions (e.g. amazon ec2) do not.20:04
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fleishlarsks: agreed very weird. at least I know what's causing it so I can get around it for now. I'll just have to figure out how to reconfigure my chef recipe to accommodate for it ... assuming I don't figure out why it's an issue first20:08
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jeremydeiwho is most deserving of my 8 votes?20:11
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cjm_larsks, Thanks very much.  This helps a lot, especially the heads up about "cloud-init"  When you say "system console" you mean an xterm running bash?20:12
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jproulxcjm_ the vnc or spice console (depending on which you set up) can provide a full GUI console but neither is encrypted so I try and avoid using them20:13
jproulxwhat is on th e"console" is what would be on a vga terminal connected to the system if it were physical20:14
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jproulxcloud_init is your friend though!20:14
cjm_jproulx, Right.  The equivalent of <CTRL>Fn20:15
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cjm_jproulx, I will investigate cloud_init.  Thanks for the help.20:16
jproulxif your image starts a display manager you get X windows, so not just a text console20:16
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jproulxyou can also get the grub menu on start up for example (though again best avoided in a virtual system)20:17
jproulxon a windows image you get the windows desk top there (which is yet another bad idea :) )20:18
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cjm_larsks, jproulx So, the short answer is, "Yes, I can have a openstack server in my office and live with a chromebook, because all I need is access; all the important stuff is on the cloud."  Right?20:23
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jproulxWell you don't need openstack for that you could just run vnc (or something) directly on your workstation in the office, and if you're looking to provide Desktops in the cloud it's better to run the service in the VM so you can do better security (like ssh tunneling)20:25
larskscjm_: ...maybe? You seem focused on desktop access which I think it not the primary use case in most cloud deployments.20:26
jproulxbut yes you could20:26
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larsksI do most of my work on a lightweight laptop with a bunch of other things in (various) cloud deployments, but most of my remote access is command-line based (ssh), while GUI editing, web browsing, etc happen on my local laptop.20:27
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cjm_jproulx, larsks Well, i'm not really clear on what my use case will be, although it will depend very much on what the cloud offers.  "Cloud!" is such a buzz word that it is not really clear to me what it means, so much of this discussion is learning what a "cloud" is.20:29
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jproulxPersonally I find the performance of remote desktops over the internet (as opposed to local network) to be unacceptable for general use.  I've been evaluating different things to *maybe* provide this as a service to my users and haven't really been happy with any of them (VNC, X2GO, NX, rdesktop)20:31
jproulxcjm_ my definition as it relates to OpenStack is that it is an Infrastructure with an API, so you can programatically create, destroy  and connect servers/network/storage20:32
jproulx(well not mine as in I came up with it, I certainly didn't)20:33
larsksI would argue that trying to narrow down the *meaning* of "cloud" doesn't make much sense, because so much of it depends on your particular needs.  I would say start with what you want and find a solution, and don't worry about whether it's "cloud" or not.20:33
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jproulxlarsks: no argument from me, just trying to draw a vague circle around what openstack does20:34
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larsksjproulx: Yeah, that was mostly directed at cjm_ :)20:35
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jproulxwell consider your thoughts seconded :)20:35
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TVR_I have a two node cluster.. one controller with everything on it, and one compute node... instances can start on the controller node without issue.. on the compute node they fail..20:37
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jproulxTVR_ can you paste the nova-compute.log from the failing server somewhere?20:38
TVR_I have manually copied the xml from a working instance to the compute node and after editing the network section, defined it and was able to start it20:38
mwoodsonin cinder, what do the project_id's correspond with?20:38
TVR_ok.. will do.. have lots in it20:38
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jproulxmwoodson same as they do in all projects also called tenant_id in some places though I believe we're now normalizing on "project" to describe that entity but the command line to show it would be `keystone tenant-get <project_id>`20:41
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mwoodsonjproulx: thanks20:41
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TVR_http://pastebin.com/zdeH3b9F20:42
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jproulxTVR_ are you attempting to boot from or attach a volume on boot?20:44
TVR_boot from image which creates volume20:44
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TVR_works if sent to controller box20:45
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jproulxNot sure what's going on but I belive this is the relevent error:20:46
jproulxInvalidVolume: Invalid volume: status must be 'available'20:46
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jproulxif you just boot from Image without creating new volume does it work? This will create an ephemeral instance and the backing storage will go away on shut down, but it will prove/disprove that the issue relates to the volume service20:49
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TVR_if I edit       <source bridge='virbr0'/>20:51
TVR_      <model type='virtio'/>20:51
TVR_http://pastebin.com/W7sAnvSg20:52
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TVR_it will launch just fine with virsh commands..20:52
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jproulxTVR_ why do you need to edit the bridge info? what was it before?20:55
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TVR_my point being.. this xml file is created by neutron and nova to launch the instance... it seems my ovs-vsctl isn't creating the tap port20:56
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jproulxit may not be getting that far, the log errors are in block device setup which happens before network setup20:59
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TVR_without editing ANY of the block / disk info.. I just booted it21:00
TVR_the volume IS getting created21:00
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TVR_it shows in cinder list or nova volume-list21:00
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jproulxI'm not really familiar with RBD so not sure how to test this hunch, but it *seems* like nova is trying to use the device before it's fully ready and failing, then when you try by hand a little later the device has finished whatever it was doing and become ready so it succeeds.21:01
jproulxI don't know if that's plausible or how to check fo rit though21:01
TVR_I would agree.. except from the controller node... it works all the way through...21:01
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TVR_if I try to just virsh define the xml and boot it... it complains there is no tap device... (the port)... so if I edit that.. it works.. so I am suspecting that to be the issue..21:02
TVR_can you / do you have  a set of neutron configs that are sane?21:03
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TVR_configs from the controller.. configs on the compute?21:03
TVR_and what bridges should be added to what interfaces?21:03
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TVR_I am suspecting the neutron settings are bad.. confusing it..21:04
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jproulxseriously try booting without creating a volume.  If it fails too then it's almost certainly neutron, if it succeeds then it's definitely cinder that's the problem21:05
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jproulxfor the neutron side  check that the bridges look plausibly similar on the controller and the compute host21:06
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TVR_ok.. so I virsh destroyed the vm.. then I booted from volume (that one as it's tested) and I again get the same error with the same logs... one thing bothering me was this:21:10
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TVR_ERROR nova.virt.libvirt.driver21:10
TVR_that is in the logs21:10
TVR_also.. it seems it  ==>  error process exited while connecting to monitor: char device redirected to /dev/pts/321:12
TVR_inet_listen_opts: bind(ipv4,10.7.212.35,5901): Cannot assign requested address21:12
TVR_that adress is from the controller node21:12
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jproulxOK, so yeh your probably right about it being a neutron thing then, trying to dig up my notes on which bridges I have to create when installing nodes, my config management doe s it all for me now so I don't remember off hand...21:14
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TVR_very much apretiated man21:15
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TVR_also.. if handy.. could you please paste the output from your compute node's openstack-status21:16
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jproulxneutron is the devil :)21:16
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TVR_I am sure it will be a god-send when completed.. but for now, it is a demon21:17
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kfox1111can an instance see the custom nova metadata assigned to it via 169.254.169.254?21:35
kfox1111for example: nova meta testinst set kfox=washere21:36
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jproulxkfox1111 I would think so, gimme a minute & I'll try it21:40
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kfox1111jproulx: thanks.21:41
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larskskfox1111: pretty sure not.  Metadata assigned via "nova meta" is meant to be consumed externally (via the nova api, etc) for managing your instances.21:42
larsksNova suffers from overusing the term "metadata".21:42
kfox1111oh. ok.21:42
larsks...unless jproulx confirms otherwise, in which case I will go hide sheepishly in a corner.21:42
kfox1111yeah... ask 10 people what metadata means, you'll get 11 answers too. :)21:42
larskskfox1111: But you can pass arbitrary in as user_data, if you need to get something into your instance.21:43
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kfox1111yeah. I use that bit a lot. Just seeing what the metadata could and could not be used for.21:43
jproulxthat's certainly true and the cloud-init package availabel on most linuxes can do neat tricks with user_data21:44
kfox1111I know some setups use security_group membership to change behavior. amazon I think recommends using tags, but nova doesn't seem to support them.21:44
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kfox1111it does support metadata, but the instance can't see it, so its not really a tag replacement.21:45
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datamaticjproulx: can be from a bunch of reasons.21:50
jproulxYes I know, it was a rhetorical question because I'd promised someone to test a thing21:51
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datamatickfox, if you use cloud init. you can check the instances console logs to get traces of what data it gets from your nova-api for metadata21:52
jproulxkfox1111 looks like larsks is correct instance meta-data isn't in the metadata :)21:53
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kfox1111bummer. Ok. thanks.21:53
datamaticwhat did u specifically wanna look for? maybe there are other ways21:54
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larsksYou'll that in addition to metadata vs. metadata, nova also has list-secgroup and secgroup-list, *and they do different things*21:54
jproulxhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/61398/ shows toplevel of what I get from metadataservicer (this instance has the kfox key you set in your example but not user_data defined)21:55
kfox1111probably are. more just kicking the tires and seeing how easily things can be done.21:55
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kfox1111I'm playing around with various configuration management schemes at the moment, and would really like one where I can use openstack dashboard or api's to start instances and have the configuration management system do the right thing, rather then the other way around they seem to prefer, which is using their own tool to launch the vm.21:57
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jproulxFWIW I use user_data + cloud-init heavily to customize my instances. I can echo some key value pairs in to a file and have my puppet system see those "facts" to define the system role or you can specify URLs to custom setup scripts and things (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CloudInit)21:58
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datamaticbesides, if you have config drive enabled, your metadata will be stored on the VM on that drive21:59
jproulxwhich I think works the way you want.21:59
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datamaticjust mount it and you can see what data youa re getting from the metadata server21:59
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datamaticjproulx: usually the later approach works well for large settings22:00
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jproulxI work in the high hundreds to low thousands of systems & like to have the physical, virtual, and cloud systems all configure them selves in the same way rather than a different system for each22:02
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datamaticsure. that's a good way to go about it.22:07
datamaticwhat are those numbers?22:08
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goodmorningHi all....just wondering if anyone has seen this in their all-in-one configurations: /var/log/nova/network.log:2014-01-10 23:59:34.020 ERROR nova.openstack.common.rpc.impl_qpid [req-a143ae44-60b5-4ce5-8747-f91ea716284a None None] Failed to publish message to topic 'a50119b3f10443a9a0c44ca1abc21ec0': heartbeat timeout22:21
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goodmorningAnyway way to make impl_qpid more forgiving under heavier load?22:22
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cihhanHi all! Did anyone try XCP as hypervisor for OpenStack?22:46
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chancehey guys, quick question23:23
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chancehow reasonable would it be to use openstack's policy code outside of openstack?23:23
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notmynamechance: what do you mean by "policy code"?23:23
chanceive only looked at it briefly, and im just trying to come up with a way to handle permissions for a project ill be working on23:23
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chanceand it's going to be very similar to how you might handle permissions with openstack23:24
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chancenotmyname: the RBAC policy stuff23:24
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notmynameas in the permissions to contribute?23:24
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chanceex: https://github.com/openstack/horizon/blob/master/doc/source/topics/policy.rst23:25
chancerole based access control23:25
chancethe openstack permissions system23:25
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chanceit doesnt seem tightly coupled since it seems to be in openstack-common, but im not sure.23:26
notmynameah, then I'd guess the general answer would be to look at the code and maybe talk to the devs and see if it fits your needs23:26
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notmynamechance: you could ask in #openstack-dev. I'm actually not sure where horizon or oslo devs congregate in IRC23:27
chanceah, i forgot that they had a -dev channel :<23:27
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xmltokare availability zones only for nova compute? i'd like to use a separate cinder backend (different ceph clusters) for each of my zones23:31
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