Thursday, 2014-02-06

Sam-I-Am	before deploying cinder-volume on those nodes, you create a PV then a VG named 'cinder-volumes'	00:00
Sam-I-Am	there's also some iscsi config to do	00:00
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ryanv	Sam-I-Am ok. i have read about that to make the drive space available...	00:01
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Sam-I-Am	the other option is using LVM on the entire disk. put your OS/swap into one VG and cinder in another	00:01
Sam-I-Am	nice thing about LVM is the ability to resize everything, but i think you still need a 'regular' /boot partition of maybe a few hundred megs	00:02
Sam-I-Am	i havent booted off LVM in a while	00:02
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mdorman	Sam-I-Am: sorry for the slowness here. here's the select query we see repeated over and over. http://pastebin.com/wqtb7zx7	00:03
StevenK	Sam-I-Am: grub2 can do LVM, I think	00:03
StevenK	Sam-I-Am: But I have a /boot	00:03
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Sam-I-Am	mdorman: so... its trying to figure out which tenants are associated with that security group?	00:06
mdorman	Sam-I-Am: actually, i see it query for the security groups of the particular tenant first, but then it queries for all security groups with no tenant_id filter.	00:06
ryanv	Sam-I-Am, I see. Not to be daft, but, I create / on just the first drive, then LVM the other five? I just want to get this right, I have been working on OpenStack for over a year in a lab environment here, and am finally getting the opportunity to create our "production" stack.	00:06
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mdorman	Sam-I-Am: more context: http://pastebin.com/cPAMmn84 those are the queries i see it execute	00:07
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Sam-I-Am	ryanv: arent all the disks together in a raid?	00:07
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Sam-I-Am	mdorman: how often does it do this? how many secgroups do you have?	00:08
mdorman	we have ~1000 projects with 10 security groups each. so 10k secgroups	00:09
ryanv	They are RAID'd, I had just read and head at the OPenStack summit in Portland last year about not using RAID with openStack. So I just wanted to do what would work and not be slow or break :)	00:09
mdorman	it definitely does it when we create a port with the default security group. and it seems to be triggered some other ways, too, but we haven't been able to run down the cause every time it happens yet.	00:10
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ryanv	Sam-I-Am, still surfing the learning curve here, big time. lol	00:10
Sam-I-Am	ryanv: do you know what use case they didnt like raid for?	00:10
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Sam-I-Am	object storage is not my forte, but i can see why you wouldnt want raid for it.	00:12
Sam-I-Am	for block... depends how you're handling redundancy	00:12
ryanv	Sam-I-Am, I am not exactly certain, I do remember them saying how to stay away from RAID 5. Cool, I can easily delete these RAID partitions and go another direction, as I am just getting ready to get my storage on :)	00:12
Sam-I-Am	mdorman: did you search through the bugs reported on neutron?	00:12
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Sam-I-Am	raid 5 is slow for writing, but fine for reading	00:13
Sam-I-Am	what will your tenants be doing?	00:13
mdorman	Sam-I-Am: we have looked through a little bit, i think, i haven't pesonally but some other ppl on my team did	00:13
Sam-I-Am	and then how are you handling redundancy and/or bcdr	00:14
mdorman	then there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1268661 , but we already bumped up max_pool_size	00:14
mdorman	sounds like the openstack list might be the best next step though?	00:14
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Sam-I-Am	i think so .. make sure you put [neutron] in the sub somewhere	00:15
Sam-I-Am	i think a lot of people filter on those	00:15
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Sam-I-Am	other option is filing a bug	00:15
Sam-I-Am	or both...	00:15
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Sam-I-Am	i'm curious if there's a legit reason for the query and its just a performance issue, or there's an implementation problem when scaled	00:16
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Sam-I-Am	in other words... what is that query trying to accomplish	00:17
mdorman	yeah, exactly. i'm confused why it would need to load up every security group, and not just that one tenant.	00:17
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mdorman	openstack-dev list, or just openstack@	00:19
mdorman	?	00:19
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Sam-I-Am	i'd go for the regular list first	00:20
Sam-I-Am	the -dev list is mostly for developers	00:20
mdorman	gottcha	00:20
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Sam-I-Am	i suspect most devs monitor both	00:20
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mdorman	kk. thanks for the assist	00:21
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ryanv	Sam-I-Am, thanks for the help and information, I think I know what I need to do to get this going from what you have told me. I appreciate your time.	00:22
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Sam-I-Am	ryanv: sure. i'm mostly around if other questions come up.	00:22
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enarciso	Hello. I've been testing out the keystone integration and I still have some questions and I hope someone can direct me to the properly on this.	00:36
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enarciso	So on a clean install, setup mysql and keystone and configured my keystone.conf to use ldap for user and the rest on sql.	00:37
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enarciso	However I still confused on how to setup the initial admin user?	00:37
enarciso	assuming I do have an ldap account called "admin" when run "keystone user-list" to get the id. I am getting the following error	00:38
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enarciso	An unexpected error prevented the server from fulfilling your request. {'desc': 'Confidentiality required'} (HTTP 500)	00:38
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enarciso	My googlefoo did not see any match that would relate between keystone and ldap.	00:39
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Sam-I-Am	i havent done ldap with openstack. however, confidentiality required tells me you're using cleartext ldap	00:39
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enarciso	hmmm. for testing yes. i'm using ldap port 389	00:41
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enarciso	let me try ldaps on 636	00:41
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Sam-I-Am	tls runs on 389	00:41
Sam-I-Am	636 is long outdated	00:41
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Sam-I-Am	i was a developer for openldap about 7 years ago and we deprecated 636 back then	00:41
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enarciso	I'm not much of an ldap expert. What would be proper port to use? out of curiousity	00:42
Sam-I-Am	your ldap server should support tls on 389	00:42
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enarciso	I have to verify with our ldap admin but I believe we use tls on 389. But not quite sure (I don't really have much info on our AD/ldap integration)	00:45
Sam-I-Am	bleh AD	00:45
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enarciso	yeah... it made it more complicated that it should be	00:46
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Sam-I-Am	i suspect ldap is returning that error message because you're asking for something that returns credentials	00:47
Sam-I-Am	not openstack itself	00:47
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Sam-I-Am	which makes sense, theres no reason for plaintext ldap anymore	00:47
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enarciso	okay. I'll look into this further.	00:48
-enarciso- the keystone.conf logs show just a trace not much of an error:		00:48
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enarciso	2014-02-06 00:34:25.898 15992 TRACE keystone.common.wsgi result = func(args,*kwargs)	00:48
enarciso	2014-02-06 00:34:25.898 15992 TRACE keystone.common.wsgi CONFIDENTIALITY_REQUIRED: {'desc': 'Confidentiality required'}	00:48
enarciso	2014-02-06 00:34:25.898 15992 TRACE keystone.common.wsgi	00:48
enarciso	2014-02-06 00:34:25.906 15992 INFO access [-] 10.255.100.15 - - [06/Feb/2014:00:34:25 +0000] "GET http://10.255.100.15:35357/v2.0/users HTTP/1.0" 500 180	00:48
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Sam-I-Am	enarciso: i bet if you did a tcpdump on 389, you'd see that come back from the ldap server	00:49
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enarciso	Sam-I-Am: I'll def. run a tcpdump to see.	00:50
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enarciso	Got "TRACE keystone.common.wsgi INVALID_DN_SYNTAX: {'desc': 'Invalid DN syntax'}" this time. That's progress	01:30
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Sam-I-Am	well thats improvement	01:32
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Sam-I-Am	i wonder what its sending for the DN	01:32
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enarciso	I'm putting our baseDN in "user_tree_dn" line while I use "user_filter to filter out a specific group	01:34
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Sam-I-Am	i wonder what its actually sending	01:35
Sam-I-Am	i have zero idea how to debug AD	01:35
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enarciso	I'll most likely need our AD/Ldap guy on this. I'm trying to try all this via ldapsearch and now getting thing other than "text: NDS error: no such entry (-601)"	01:36
enarciso	*and not getting ...	01:37
enarciso	Sam-I-Am: thank you for the help	01:37
Sam-I-Am	yuck	01:38
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kitp	heyo...trying to update a subnet with a dns server. any ideas why this doesn't work?	02:25
kitp	neutron subnet-update 00cf5145-cd44-4f29-906f-00af3eefd046 --dns_nameservers=10.0.1.1	02:26
kitp	Invalid input for dns_nameservers. Reason: Invalid data format for nameserver: '10.0.1.1'.	02:26
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purplehayz	hello	02:43
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purplehayz	I had a question about minimum setup but I want to setup a controller, compute, swift,open vswitch, and cinder...and I currently have 5 physical servers..I was wondering if that would be enough to set up an openstack learning lab	02:45
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kitp	i'd think so. you can do it with one, for learning purposes too.	02:45
atpa8a	i'm doing it with one...	02:46
atpa8a	still no network :)	02:46
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purplehayz	do you have swift setup too?	02:46
purplehayz	I really wanted to use all of the servers that I just have lying around..	02:47
atpa8a	installed cinder but no point to continue until i fix the network	02:47
kitp	well, go right ahead. :)	02:47
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kitp	what's the network prob? i just got it working.	02:47
kitp	(started with packstack0	02:48
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purplehayz	Do I need 2 networks for the bridge (1 private, 1 public)?	02:48
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kitp	yeh, pretty much.	02:48
purplehayz	ok cool...thanks!	02:48
kitp	you can do it with one NIC.	02:48
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atpa8a	router_gateway and router_interface both down	02:49
atpa8a	VM doesn't get network	02:49
atpa8a	no IP assigned to any of tap or bridges...	02:50
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kitp	i followed this: http://openstack.redhat.com/Neutron_with_existing_external_network	02:50
kitp	have to setup the br-ex config first i think.	02:50
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atpa8a	i've br-int, br-eth1, phy-br-eth1, int-br-eth1 and tap devices... none of them gets IPs assigned?..	02:52
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atpa8a	does br-ex need an IP beforehand?..	02:54
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kitp	i think so.	02:54
kitp	its you're local net ip. then eth0 gets pointed at br-ex	02:55
kitp	what OS is the host?	02:55
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atpa8a	ubuntu	02:55
atpa8a	but i've 2 nics	02:55
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atpa8a	using eth1 for br-ex...	02:56
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atpa8a	hey	02:58
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atpa8a	so your br-ex has IP, right? and what else? does phy-br-ex and int-br-ex have one? tap should have one too	02:59
atpa8a	just trying to understand how it should look and where to poke	02:59
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sparc	looks like it's openstack meetup time at Yahoo!	02:59
sparc	there's a lot of Mirantis people here	03:00
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purplehayz	How is the class (Mirantis..bootcamp)	03:01
purplehayz	I was thinking about taking it	03:01
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sparc	:https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/event/cot4r9j63fb23flv5c3tu317hn0?authuser=1&hl=en	03:12
sparc	here's the hangout for the openstack meetup this evening at Yahoo in Sunnyvale	03:12
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sparc	(yeah, i'd like to know how the mirantis bootcamp is)	03:13
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kitp	atpa8a: yeh, my br-ex has an IP, i assigned it.	03:20
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teju	anand: ji	05:44
teju	anand: hi *	05:44
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anand	hi teju, good morning. What's up?	05:45
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teju	anand: good morning....how's chennai??	05:45
anand	teju: pretty warm day as usual	05:46
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muhyun	I installed devstack on KVM instance in my redhat linux desktop. all seems to be configured successfully, but creating instance throws error	06:19
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muhyun	Error: Failed to launch instance "l1": Please try again later [Error: Remote error: ProcessExecutionError Unexpected error while running command. Command: sudo nova-rootwrap /etc/nova/rootwrap.conf env CONFIG_FILE=["/etc/nova/nova.conf"] NETWORK_ID=1 dnsmasq --strict-order --bind-interfaces --conf-file= --pid-file=/opt/stac].	06:19
muhyun	anyone have similar experience ?	06:19
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teju	muhyun: r u launching an instance for the first time?	06:43
muhyun	yes	06:43
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muhyun	i see "Feb 6 15:21:51 devstack dnsmasq[9592]: no interface with address 10.0.0.1	06:43
muhyun	Feb 6 15:21:51 devstack dnsmasq[9592]: FAILED to start up	06:43
muhyun	" in syslog	06:43
teju	/etc/sudoers.d/nova_sudoers	06:44
teju	whats in the above file??	06:44
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iscsi	cat /etc/sudoers.d/nova_sudoers	06:48
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iscsi	CO to the rescue	06:48
muhyun	@teju empty	06:48
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teju	muhyun:http://paste.openstack.org/show/62748/	06:53
teju	muhyun: add the line #includedir /etc/sudoers.d at the end of file /etc/sudoers	06:54
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teju	muhyun: make those changes, restart nova services and launch instance	06:54
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muhyun	@teju, it is there already	06:59
muhyun	but i'll restart all	06:59
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muhyun	i fixed it	07:59
muhyun	it was permission issue	07:59
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teju	muhyun: what other changes did u make??	08:04
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andrewbogott	Does a policy like "create_network": "", mean everyone can do it, or no one can?	08:29
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odyssey4me	hang on a minute - why would a 'member' role not be able to get a token from keystone?	09:02
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Etienne_	Hi	10:13
Etienne_	I am facing an error during the networking configuration of OpenStack	10:14
Etienne_	I actually made a mistake	10:14
Etienne_	I typed the nova network-create on a compute node...	10:14
Etienne_	I am just wondering if it is possible to undo this ?	10:15
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Etienne_	When I type nova net-delete <ID>	10:17
Etienne_	I get an error	10:17
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mili	Hi Cinder expert, I getting a map lock any ideas?	10:52
mili	https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/11473/cinder-vol-error/	10:52
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mflobo	I need to modify this file nova/hacking/checks.py to add a new function	11:11
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mflobo	anyone knows how to test a new function written on that file?	11:11
mflobo	sorry, bad channel for this question	11:12
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mattymo	anyone have experience deploying Docker type instances in havana?	12:52
mattymo	aside from all-in-one devstack	12:52
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ashepelev	Hello everyone, is there some progress in finding the community leader for participating Openstack in GSoC2014?	13:00
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ashepelev	I would like to notice that timeline for registering the community in GSoC is Feb 3 - Feb 14	13:02
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andrewbogott	I'm trying to manage neutron using an admin token rather than username/pass… it seems to work in most cases, but when it comes time for compute to contact nova I get a bunch of these: "Neutron client authentication failed: {"error": {"message": "object of type 'NoneType' has no len()", "code": 400, "title": "Bad Request"}}"	13:53
andrewbogott	Does that mean that my whole strategy is doomed?	13:53
Sam-I-Am	the admin token being that little hex number?	13:53
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andrewbogott	As best I can tell it's something that was set for keystone. But I'm not entirely sure...	13:55
andrewbogott	Mostly I'm copying the auth strategy that we use for glance.	13:55
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Sam-I-Am	which is what?	13:56
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andrewbogott	Sorry, as always, trying to make sense of an inherited system.	13:57
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andrewbogott	Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself.	13:57
Sam-I-Am	oh dear	13:57
andrewbogott	I have a [keystone_authtoken] section in my glance configs that works fine...	13:57
Sam-I-Am	yeah, what's in there?	13:57
Sam-I-Am	and which release are you working on now?	13:57
andrewbogott	I'm imagining that the same tokens will work for neutron_auth_*	13:58
andrewbogott	this is havana still :)	13:58
Sam-I-Am	s/tokens/keys ?	13:58
andrewbogott	hang on, will paste	13:58
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andrewbogott	Sam-I-Am: https://dpaste.de/Crze	14:00
andrewbogott	The first thing I notice is that I'm using two different auth urls there, so that's probably something	14:00
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andrewbogott	but also, I don't for sure know that 'neutron_admin_token' is even an actual setting… although when I added it some things started to work.	14:00
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andrewbogott	But in every context that I see, that 'admin_token' results in keystone giving me the nod. I would think that would be possible for neutron as well.	14:03
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Sam-I-Am	yeah, those *token keys are invalid now	14:03
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Sam-I-Am	must have been a way around 'actually' authenticating	14:04
Sam-I-Am	keystone uses an admin token because it handles the auth and needs something to work when its not configured yet	14:04
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Sam-I-Am	but after that, things should be using keystone normally	14:04
andrewbogott	OK, so the fact that glance is still working is an accident? deprecated but not yet disabled?	14:05
Sam-I-Am	probably	14:05
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andrewbogott	too bad keystone can't actually create users with the ldap backend :( I'll go insert a user in ldap.	14:06
Sam-I-Am	yeah...	14:06
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badams	is this the right place to ask a support question?	14:12
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badams	whoops wrong tab	14:13
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Sam-I-Am	heh	14:14
Sam-I-Am	depends if its openstack or not	14:14
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badams	i meant to post that in the puppet-openstack channel	14:15
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badams	not sure if its just for devs or not	14:15
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badams	if anyone here has experience with puppet-openstack that'd be cool too	14:17
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andrewbogott	really, keystone? "No role with a name or ID of 'admin' exists"?	14:22
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Sam-I-Am	is it poking at ldap for that?	14:23
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andrewbogott	I think that it's the truth -- until just now everything was using the keystone admin token, so no users or roles or anything are currently set up.	14:25
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Sam-I-Am	sounds like a nice hack	14:28
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Sam-I-Am	i always love stumbling into other people's projects	14:28
andrewbogott	Worked great, until it didn't.	14:29
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Sam-I-Am	seems like one of the general rules of IT. something will run until someone realizes it should never have worked in the first place, at which point it will break and not work until redone the right way.	14:31
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andrewbogott	yep!	14:33
JoshuaG_AIM	Has anyone made an openstack with hyper-v datacenter and the vm hosts running under it?	14:33
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Sam-I-Am	not me	14:37
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andrewbogott	sigh When I delete an instance, the api immediately returns success and does nothing. And I've hit my quota of failed instances so now I have to raise my quota to keep testing.	14:40
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andrewbogott	Sam-I-Am: OK… now I think everyone is talking to everyone else, almost. Log files are clean. But now a new instance stays in the 'spawning' state forever, never gets an IP.	15:22
andrewbogott	Any suggestions about how to debug that?	15:22
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Sam-I-Am	check nova logs on the compute node	15:24
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andrewbogott	compute logs look fine to me, although they reflect the stuck state: 'Found 1 in the database and 0 on the hypervisor'	15:26
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Sam-I-Am	how about on the controller?	15:27
Sam-I-Am	might be an auth issue somewhere still	15:27
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andrewbogott	the scheduler is happy...	15:29
andrewbogott	could the instance be frozen waiting on dhcp?	15:29
Sam-I-Am	it could be	15:29
Sam-I-Am	console into it?	15:29
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Sam-I-Am	bbiab phone mtg	15:29
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andrewbogott	I don't know how to get the console, but that would be useful!	15:33
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nkrinner	get install buffers	15:34
Sam-I-Am	nova get-vnc-console <inst> novnc	15:34
Sam-I-Am	should return a url	15:34
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andrewbogott	Ah, but… that only works if the instance has a network, doesn't it?	15:35
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Sam-I-Am	nope	15:36
andrewbogott	anyway, it says ERROR: Instance not yet ready (HTTP 409)	15:36
Sam-I-Am	should use mgmt	15:36
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Sam-I-Am	so theres another problem	15:36
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Sam-I-Am	on phone tho :/	15:36
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andrewbogott	yeah, sorry, carry on!	15:36
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shausy	Im installing openstack using crowbar, when the nodes are getting booted, automatically it installs centos, though i have ubuntu pointing for PXE installation	15:42
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kemra102	I am tring to create some snapshots in the Dashboard, but they are being deleted as soon as they have been saved. The glance registry logs just show a deletion after the saving as though it has been requested by myself. There do not appear to be any other log message anywhere. Any ideas what might cause this sudden strange behaviour? It is not something I've had issues with before	16:04
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ashepelev	Hello everyone, is there some progress in finding the community leader for participating Openstack in GSoC2014? I would like to notice that timeline for registering the community in GSoC is Feb 3 - Feb 14	16:23
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sudorandom	Is there an updated version of this page with working CSS? http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-compute/admin/content//metadata-service.html	16:33
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sudorandom	oh, I just caught it. Weird, google has it indexed with the double slash.	16:33
sudorandom	http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-compute/admin/content/metadata-service.html	16:33
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Sam-I-Am	sudorandom: yeah there's a problem with that	16:37
Sam-I-Am	not sure whats going on	16:38
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sudorandom	Sam-I-Am: it looks like it's because of the RSS feed reports with those URLs: view-source:http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-compute/admin/atom.xml	16:40
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andrewbogott	Sam-I-Am, still in a meeting? It sounded like you had a quick diagnosis for why I can't start instances/get a console	16:41
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Sam-I-Am	andrewbogott: yeah, tied up in something else now	16:41
andrewbogott	'k np	16:41
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enq	hello guys4	17:33
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enq	maybe someone could help me, im currently testing openstack and proxmox VE for my small infrastructure, for now i would like to push my servers into virtual mashines, for this proxmox VE looks very promising	17:35
enq	but i need HA of database, aswell as some storage	17:36
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enq	openstack have swift, and cinder, as i understand its alternative for drdb?	17:39
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notmyname	enq: cinder is for managing block devices that are attached to VMs. swift is for a pool of storage used by your apps (for unstructured data)	17:40
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enq	i see	17:42
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dgarstang2	How do I... generate an API key?	17:44
enq	how about HA for all infrastructure?	17:44
notmyname	enq: what do you mean by that?	17:44
dgarstang2	poking around the UI here... can't seem to find it. should be obvious I'd think	17:44
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enq	like keystone	17:44
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enq	from charts, there is alot of nodes and stuff, can't i just put compute node and controller node on one server? or should i buy some separate unit for controller	17:46
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sgran	enq: how does putting everything on one server get you HA?	17:48
enq	for proxmox i have like 3-4 servers which manages all structure of VM's, i understand that openstack is much more then VM	17:48
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enq	what i ment is put this services replicated on more servers, which act as controllers and nodes, if that makes sence	17:49
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shausy	can someone help me on this	17:51
shausy	Im installing openstack using crowbar, when the nodes are getting booted, automatically it installs centos, though i have ubuntu pointing for PXE installation	17:51
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sgran	yes, you can put everything on one machine, and just makemore of that same machine profile	17:52
sgran	it's just a waste of resources - the API services do not use as much resources as the compute nodes, so keeping them separate makes sense	17:53
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enq	what do you mean?	17:54
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enq	i understand that keystone, or neutron wount eat much, thats why i want to put them along with nova	17:55
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enq	in general, i whant to run openstack on 3-4 server units, which should provide me HA mysql, and some storage. Failure of any node should not interrupt work, or load.	18:02
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dgarstang2	I'm trying to configure nova command line tool. Which URL do I use for the OS_AUTH_URL ?	18:03
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dgarstang2	The documentation at http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/content/cli_openrc.html doesn't say where in the UI to get this value from	18:04
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enq	maybe openstack is not what im looking	18:07
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annegentle	dgarstang2: good point. If you're on a Havana dashboard, there isn't one displayed by default. If you're on Trystack go to Settings and there's a list of API endpoints	18:07
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annegentle	dgarstang2: tell me more about your UI	18:07
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annegentle	dgarstang2: and cloud provider	18:08
dgarstang2	annegentle: I saw that. wasn't sure which one to use. However, I did just download the openrc.sh file.	18:08
annegentle	dgarstang2: is it populated already?	18:08
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dgarstang2	annegentle: I believe so. The , err... openstack guy isn't in yet. :)	18:08
annegentle	dgarstang2: yeah I think that it's easiest to use your pre-populated openrc file	18:09
jokke_	enq: maybe, maybe not ... alone definitely not	18:09
dgarstang2	annegentle: just got it to work, thanks. :)	18:09
enq	what do you mean, alone?	18:09
annegentle	dgarstang2: nice.	18:09
jokke_	enq: how cluster aware your application is?	18:09
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enq	application's, its not cluster aware at all, will have to run them in VM's probably, still need HA mysql for standalone programs	18:11
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jokke_	enq: if you run some clustering on your sql servers, you configure your storage well, then openstack should not be your bottle neck. On the other hand if you expect that you install VM and magically there is nothing that can happen to it, you probably are looking wrong platform	18:12
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enq	does openstack provide VM's synchronized between, probably compute nodes?	18:14
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enq	for storage and mysql openstack looks promising, have no idea how about VM's	18:15
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enq	sorry if my questions arent very accurate, just want to understand openstack more	18:16
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ash\|2	enq: you run VM on one compute node	18:18
gclark	can anyone help me attach raid arrays to my devstack setup?	18:18
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enq	only VM's?	18:19
gclark	or even just a second hard drive for more storage, can't get it to detect in openstack	18:19
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ash\|2	enq: Maybe the openstack functionality was enlarged, I used to deploy it about 2-3 years ago - and yes - the compute nodes used to run vm's, what else do you interested in to run on them?	18:21
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enq	i don't know, thats why im asking, does VM's balance one nodes?	18:22
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enq	or migrate between them, havent went that far with test setup	18:22
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ctlaugh	I'm trying to use Devstack (trunk) to deploy on Saucy (ARM midway) and am getting an error when it's installing python-heatclient: cannot stat '/opt/stack/python-heatclient/tools/heat.bash_completion': No such file or directory	18:24
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ctlaugh	^^ The file is not there. I've been successful Devstack before installing stable/havana. Any suggestions where to look?	18:25
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mozg_	hello guys	19:17
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mozg_	I am an openstack noob and was wondering if some one could answer a few questions	19:17
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mozg_	i am currently using cloudstack and slowly starting to hate it	19:17
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mozg_	so, I am considering switching to openstack in hope that it will not be as buggy as the cloudstack is	19:18
mozg_	so, my question is what is the minimal number of servers you need to run openstack in production?	19:18
mozg_	I've read on the ubuntu page that they recommend as many as 10 servers	19:18
mozg_	can you get away with running openstack with less servers?	19:19
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mozg_	I've got two compute nodes and two storage servers (running ceph) and one management server which I was hoping to use as my openstack controller and other required bits and bobs	19:19
mozg_	can I build my production openstack with my setup?	19:20
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cyrus_mc	I downloaded the VOVA virtual machine, spun it up according to the documentation. It says the default login is demo/vmware but when I try to use that it says invalid credentials	19:21
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Sam-I-Am	mozg_: you can technically run everything on one node	19:22
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cyrus_mc	root / vmware was it	19:22
mozg_	Sam-I-Am, yes, but I am talking about production environment	19:22
Sam-I-Am	mozg_: just not recommended. with nova-net and not considering redundancy, i'd say 1 controller and then compute nodes. for neutron, 1 controller, 1 net node, and your compute nodes	19:22
Sam-I-Am	plus any storage nodes depending on your type of storage	19:23
mozg_	I am using Ceph for my storage	19:23
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mozg_	and it's already configured and working with cloudstack	19:24
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mozg_	so, for testing I would create a new pool for the openstack	19:24
Sam-I-Am	i havent used ceph so i cant help there	19:24
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mozg_	so, from what I understood, you need to have 1 controller, 1 network node and compute nodes	19:24
mozg_	is this right?	19:24
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Sam-I-Am	for neutron, yes	19:26
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Sam-I-Am	i dont know what cloudstack does	19:26
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Gamekiller77	good day all has any one gotten live migration working here	19:27
Sam-I-Am	Gamekiller77: at some point in the past, yes	19:27
Gamekiller77	getting a 400 error	19:27
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Sam-I-Am	no details?	19:28
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Gamekiller77	http://paste.openstack.org/show/62859/	19:30
Gamekiller77	that all i get	19:30
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Sam-I-Am	wonder if 'disk over commit' has anything to do	19:32
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Gamekiller77	it false	19:33
Gamekiller77	and this is all on Ceph	19:33
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Gamekiller77	here goes nothing down a new rabbit hole	19:34
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Gamekiller77	Sam-I-Am, you just need to config the setting for live on the compute nodes right	19:36
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mozg_	Does anyone use Infiniband with openstack?	19:38
mozg_	if so, could you please point me in the right direction on getting it to work?	19:38
mozg_	it would be ideal to provide guest vms with 40gbit/s network interface on top of Infiniband	19:39
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Gamekiller77	i have yet to come across any IF setups info while i been hunting	19:40
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Sam-I-Am	mozg_: i dont see why it wouldnt work. its just networking.	19:44
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Gamekiller77	yah i was just thinking the same thing	19:44
Gamekiller77	if linux can talk over it	19:45
mozg_	Sam-I-Am, for starters, there is no bridging capability on Infiniband interface	19:45
Sam-I-Am	logically partitioning bandwidth might be more interesting	19:45
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Sam-I-Am	how does it handle ip?	19:45
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mozg_	and from what i understand you need to create bridge interfaces for kvm to work	19:45
mozg_	there is an infiniband over ethernet support	19:46
mozg_	so, ip works just fine	19:46
mozg_	but without bridging capability	19:46
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mozg_	so, i've got an ib0 interface for instance	19:46
Sam-I-Am	how about gre/vxlan?	19:46
mozg_	not sure about gre, etc	19:47
mozg_	i think gre should work	19:47
Sam-I-Am	it doesnt use bridging	19:47
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Gamekiller77	that a bit of over head but with 40gb should be fine	19:47
Sam-I-Am	Gamekiller77: for me it was configuring the settings in libvirt and then enabling key-based ssh among all of the nodes	19:48
Gamekiller77	yah	19:48
Gamekiller77	for what	19:49
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Gamekiller77	networking gee or live migration	19:49
Gamekiller77	gre	19:49
mozg_	Sam-I-Am, so, you think i can get openstack + kvm to work without bridge devices?	19:49
Sam-I-Am	live miration	19:49
Sam-I-Am	mozg_: openvswitch can handle it with neutron/gre/vxlan rather than linuxbridge	19:49
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mozg_	very interesting indeed	19:50
mozg_	need to look into it	19:50
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mozg_	one more question - cloudstack has a capability to provide vpn to the end user using lt2p native client. Is this also available in openstack?	19:51
mozg_	so that the end user can vpn into their virtual cloud network and access servers	19:51
Gamekiller77	there is a VPN service i never played with it but i see it	19:52
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larsks	The vpn services is really meant more as a datacenter-to-datacenter thing (like Amazon's virtual private cloud offering).	19:53
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mozg_	so, there is no feature which is available to the end user via GUI that enables the vpn access?	19:54
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Sam-I-Am	mozg_: i would either run a vpn instance per tenant or run a cluster for all of the tenants	19:54
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mozg_	Sam-I-Am, okay, so I have to manually install a vpn server, configure it, assign firewall rules to allow the right protocol + ports	19:56
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mozg_	right?	19:56
larsks	mozg_: Here are the docs for the existing vpnaas extension: http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-network/2.0/content/vpnaas_ext.html	19:56
mozg_	larsks, thanks	19:57
mozg_	so, the functionality is experimental, from what i can see.	19:58
mozg_	do you know how to access this feature and would the end user be able to enable it by him/her self or would it involve the cloud infrastructure administrators to create the necessaries?	19:59
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larsks	mozg_: I haven't deployed it myself, so can't answer that one.	20:00
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Sam-I-Am	i would hope its another 'push a button' thing	20:02
Sam-I-Am	just like tenants can build their own networks	20:02
Sam-I-Am	might be a good question for the openstack mailing list	20:03
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aburaschi	Hi! Trying to set up a simple multi-node env with devstack. Where can I find an updated settings setup (localrc/stackrc) for the compute node?	20:09
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shibby	reed ping	20:58
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Gamekiller77	hmm i do not see a live migration step for havana only grizzly	21:05
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Sam-I-Am	step?	21:05
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Gamekiller77	steps like what to do	21:15
Gamekiller77	i see this page http://docs.openstack.org/grizzly/openstack-compute/admin/content//configuring-migrations.html	21:15
Gamekiller77	but it for grizzly	21:15
Gamekiller77	i do not see one for RHEL for havana	21:15
Sam-I-Am	the admin guide doesnt have that for havana?	21:15
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Gamekiller77	cloud admin guide	21:15
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larsks	Gamekiller77: http://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide-cloud/content/ch_introduction-to-openstack-compute.html#section_live-migration-usage	21:17
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larsks	Is that similar?	21:17
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larsks	I've noticed that Google results for docs.openstack.org are pretty poor recently.	21:18
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Gamekiller77	let me see	21:19
JoshuaG_AIM	www.google.com/#q=site:docs.openstack.org	21:19
Gamekiller77	i think that what i was looking for but google was not eating me there	21:19
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Gamekiller77	there we go step 7 is what i needed	21:21
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larsks	...eating?	21:21
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larsks	JoshuaG_AIM: Yeah, results with that search either bring up grizzly dogs or pages in which all the images and other external content (e.g., stylehsheets) are missing.	21:22
larsks	Err, docs, even. Not dogs.	21:22
Gamekiller77	yup	21:23
Gamekiller77	that normal with google search	21:23
Gamekiller77	i notice that	21:23
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Sam-I-Am	larsks: there's some chatter in -doc about fixing that problem	21:24
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Gamekiller77	so the problem i having is i can not fine this file to edit on RH	21:24
Gamekiller77	libvirt-bin.conf	21:24
Gamekiller77	i think this doc written for ubuntu	21:24
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annegentle	larsks: yeah I don't like them either!	21:25
annegentle	larsks: I'm working with foundation peeps for fixes	21:25
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Gamekiller77	or this file /etc/default/libvirt-bin	21:26
Gamekiller77	sigh	21:26
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Sam-I-Am	Gamekiller77: they're around somewhere	21:26
Gamekiller77	or a libvirtd file	21:26
Gamekiller77	-bin	21:26
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Gamekiller77	locate not finding it	21:28
larsks	annegentle: It would be awesome if replacing "grizzly" with "havana" in a url would get one to the appropriate havana document.	21:29
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annegentle	larsks: well, a big transition happened from grizzly to havana where we only "release" a few documents nowadays	21:32
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annegentle	larsks: so that's unpossible mostly as you've observed	21:32
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larsks	annegentle: At least a direct to the top-level of the documentation, then (although it seems that, e.g., the site could Do The Right Thing for things like the admin guide)	21:33
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larsks	Err, "at least a redirect...".	21:33
larsks	Just because so many of the Google results hit the grizzly documents...	21:33
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annegentle	larsks: I've done a few patches of htaccess for specific pages, especially when I have data from google analytics	21:36
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annegentle	larsks: so the biggest hitters have been covered	21:36
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annegentle	larsks: if you think you have a list of known pain pointer pages though, please do submit a doc bug	21:37
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annegentle	larsks: or add a comment to https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1191447	21:37
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larsks	annegentle: Thanks, I'll do that.	21:47
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dgarstang2	having trouble installing nova on ubuntu precise. Don't know why bit 'apt-get install python-nova' tells me that it can't find python-sqlalchemy = 0.7.4-1ubuntu0.1). However, apt-cache policy on that shows me = 0.7.4-1 is available and another precise system isn't doing that	21:51
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abrimer	ubuntu 12.04 install, at the point where I define the file system. Is there a document that outlines the most appropriate configuration? Is the guided - lvm my best bet?	21:55
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abrimer	I am having problems with the guided - entire disk - lvm. At some point after I install the file system goes read-only and I cannot determine what is the cause.	21:57
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Sam-I-Am	abrimer: whats your setup/arch?	21:59
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Sam-I-Am	and do you plan to use cinder / block storage with openstack	21:59
Sam-I-Am	dgarstang2: havana?	22:00
abrimer	I have been using devstack up to this point. I am using Havana on an ibm blade system	22:00
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abrimer	I want to peel cinder off of the controller blade and setup a separate blade for cinder. I also have a ds300 with about 1 T of disk space as the SAN	22:01
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abrimer	It seems that after I do an apt-get update the file system goes readonly.	22:02
Sam-I-Am	does it say why?	22:02
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Sam-I-Am	should be in /var/log/messages or dmesg	22:02
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Sam-I-Am	and is it RO or out of space?	22:02
abrimer	no. when I look at the /etc/fstab it shows : /dev/mapper/Havana-root / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1	22:03
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Sam-I-Am	how do you know its RO?	22:03
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abrimer	It seems that the standard choice when installing the OS is "entire disk". Notice that the volume is "/" which I would think is everything	22:04
abrimer	it shows errors=remount - ro	22:04
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Sam-I-Am	errors=remount-ro just tells the system to remount ro if the fs breaks	22:05
Sam-I-Am	'mount' tells you the actual status	22:05
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abrimer	ok. did not know that. I assumed that line explained my readonly problem	22:07
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abrimer	thanks sam for the help. I am going to check some more and come back later.	22:11
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Sam-I-Am	ok	22:12
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devoid	is there a way to inform heat-api of HTTP_PROXY settings it should obey?	23:29
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warik	how do you fix/re-sync the "Overview" panel? It shows instances that are have been deleted and it messed up the quotas somehow... (running Havana) thanks!	23:31
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clayb\|2	warik I would expect you'd have to edit the backend database	23:50
clayb\|2	(There may be a better way but on Grizzly that's what I've had to do)	23:50
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warik	clayb\|2: yep! i edited the db	23:50
warik	fixed :)	23:50
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clayb\|2	Hopefully it stays sync'd for you. One of my tenants was always managing to get their quota to be off.	23:51
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