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| xmltok | is anyone using a bonded interface for their external network successfully | 00:15 |
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| Yannovitch | hi there | 00:38 |
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| Yannovitch | i m trying to install openstack on a single server with RDO and packstack | 00:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ok | 00:44 |
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| Yannovitch | and i run into a problem with puppet | 00:48 |
| Yannovitch | saying it can't prefetch glance image provider | 00:48 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hmm | 00:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | specific error? | 00:55 |
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| newb123 | Hi I'm getting Unauthorized (HTTP 401) errors in nova and on dashboard. Any hints as to what to look at? Keystone seems to be working okay from commandline. | 01:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | what are you trying to do? | 01:22 |
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| newb123 | Sam-I-Am: well I'm porting openstack-devstack to freebsd. Horizon launches, but when I login I get an authorization issue. | 01:24 |
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| newb123 | I get a similar issue when devstack stack.sh tries to use nova in the tempest scripts. | 01:25 |
| newb123 | I see there's something about modifying localsettings.py, so I'll try that first. | 01:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | what about just running a nova command? | 01:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | like... nova list (after you source the rc file) | 01:26 |
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| newb123 | okay.. i'll try that.. i've already tried nova flavor-create m1.nano | 01:27 |
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| newb123 | I get an unahtorized error with nova list | 01:27 |
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| vkmc | newb123, You have to identify with the passwords you selected when you ran stack.sh for the first time | 01:28 |
| vkmc | newb123, Check the localrc file, probably you will see them at the top | 01:29 |
| newb123 | vkmc: does keystone use the same mechanism? I already sourced the openrc file | 01:29 |
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| vkmc | newb123, What do you mean... if you can use Keystone identifying with that user and password combination? | 01:31 |
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| newb123 | vkmc: well I guess i'm not that clear on the identifying mechanism. I have all the passwords for OS,AADMIN,DATABASE,SERVICE,RABBIT set in localrc | 01:32 |
| newb123 | vkmc: I already source'd 'openrc admin admin' | 01:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | when devstack finished running, did it give you an admin password? | 01:33 |
| newb123 | vkmc: is there something in addition that I need to do, to identify with nova? | 01:33 |
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| newb123 | Sam-I-Am: devstack never finished running, it gets stuck when it calls nova during the tempest startup in the /extras.d/scripts | 01:34 |
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| vkmc | newb123, No, if you already sourced then you should be ready to go | 01:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think there's a way to specify the admin password in its config files | 01:35 |
| vkmc | newb123, That's probably the issue... DevStack should finish running | 01:35 |
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| newb123 | vkmc: is there a script or something I can modify to check what's going on? I'm performing a port, and so there are some linux commands that freebsd doesn't support or has different conventions for | 01:35 |
| vkmc | newb123, You are probably having a problem with permissions within your OS | 01:35 |
| newb123 | Sam-I-Am: yeah, I tried to specificy ADMIN_PASSWORD | 01:36 |
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| Sam-I-Am | newb123: you can log into the dash? | 01:36 |
| newb123 | Sam-I-Am: Nope, I can't log into dash. | 01:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | my guess is devstack didnt get far enough to set your creds | 01:36 |
| vkmc | newb123, Can you paste the stack.sh trace in paste.openstack.org? | 01:36 |
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| newb123 | vkmc: stack.sh doesn't actually finish, so the trace is incomplete, is that okay? | 01:37 |
| vkmc | newb123, Indeed, just want to see where it stalls | 01:38 |
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| dolphm | newb123: 401 is an authentication issue (username/password), not an authorization issue (projects/roles) | 01:40 |
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| newb123 | dolphm: so what should I be checking? I used the same password for everything | 01:41 |
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| vkmc | Bbl | 01:42 |
| newb123 | vkmc: okay. here's the last few pages of the log of stdin/stderr i've saved. http://paste.openstack.org/show/ibWEvilEvniYhLwddJnl/ | 01:43 |
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| newb123 | vmkc: bbl ... just let me know if you find anything interesting - basically any nova command returns the 401 error. | 02:16 |
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| idealist932 | hi everyone, I am searching for an easy, scalable, virtualization platform (though to start small), did I hit the right place? | 07:38 |
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| idealist932 | well basically, I just tried installing devstack in a centos virtualbox vm and I cannot get to the web ui though the installation seemed to be ok and I can ping it. | 07:43 |
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| raushan | how to use active-active ha in openstack, any supported link for that | 08:02 |
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| boichev | I followed the install of Havana on ubuntu 12.04 with lvm cinder configuration... I can attach volumes to the CirrOS VM, but now I have a VM booted from Ubuntu server ISO and I want to attach a volume to it while in the setup part of the os and it fails ? Is this possible to do it like this ? more info here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2204086&p=12921896#post12921896 | 08:29 |
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| Yannovitch | hi there | 09:46 |
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| sc-rm | Hi, when will the debian wheezy python-ceilometer package be updated to be able to do ceilometer-dbsync ? | 09:47 |
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| Yannovitch | hi, when trying to install openstack with RedHat RDO on CentOS on a Ceph enabled machine | 09:49 |
| Yannovitch | i keep having problem of provision when trying to install OpenStack | 09:50 |
| sc-rm | The bug seems to have been fixed, but have not yet made it to the debian package https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1093625 | 09:50 |
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| boichev | I created a VM with a volume attached to it, is there an easy way to add an ISO Image to the VM just to install an OS and remove it ? | 10:47 |
| boichev | on Havana | 10:47 |
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| wondra | Hi! I need help debugging a Nova problem. I moved the controller to another machine, now I see XXX instead of :-) in the service list - particularly next to nova-compute and nova-scheduler. How do I debug the service registration? | 12:15 |
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| wondra | Why would scheduler create a database line in "services" and the never update it? It is running. | 12:27 |
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| wondra | Hi! I need help debugging a Nova problem. I moved the controller to another machine, now I see XXX instead of :-) in the service list - particularly next to nova-compute and nova-scheduler. How do I debug the service registration? | 13:12 |
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| moos3 | I have a question about using devstack on a host with only one nic, is it possible ? | 13:19 |
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| wondra | moos3: It's definitely possible to have a cluster with only one NIC. | 13:23 |
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| moos3 | wondra i'm trying to get it working on my laptop but seem to get the networking part working | 13:29 |
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| wondra | With nova-network or the external service? | 13:30 |
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| moos3 | just trying talk from the laptop to the vm | 13:34 |
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| ashepelev | wondra: I think u should check the logs | 13:36 |
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| wondra | ashepelev: Nothing of interest there. | 13:37 |
| moos3 | wondra my local.conf looks like this https://gist.github.com/moos3/8862745 | 13:37 |
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| wondra | It connects to RabbitMQ, connects to database, virsh list doesn't block. | 13:37 |
| ashepelev | wondra: maybe try telnet to ports? check all the confs and especially the IPs | 13:37 |
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| wondra | moos3: I have no experience with the basic networking, only Quantum :-(. | 13:39 |
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| moos3 | oh :( | 13:39 |
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| moos3 | going to replace all my kvm boxes with openstack if I can get devstack to work on my laptop and get my tools written | 13:40 |
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| wondra | ashepelev: I have moved all the other services before Nova. Even the dreaded Keystone.. I'll try the telnet. | 13:41 |
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| wondra | Should a compute node have any open ports? | 13:43 |
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| johnsterdotcom1 | has anyone every had see a senario in grizzly/quantum where VM all start receiving the wrong IPs? | 13:47 |
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| wondra | AFAIK, the Scheduler and Compute services don't have any open ports, but communicate with the database and queue. There is a conductior service, which I don't really understand.. | 13:48 |
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| larsks | wondra: The compute node needs to permit vnc connections from wherever you're running the dashboard (well, technically, nova-novncproxy) if you want remote console access to work. | 14:01 |
| larsks | You will see one open port for each instance. | 14:01 |
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| larsks | johnsterdotcom1: Haven't seen that before. Any chance you somewhow have a second dhcp server responding to requests? | 14:02 |
| Ch00k | I am getting this error when I try to run a tempest test: https://gist.github.com/Ch00k/8863105 | 14:02 |
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| Ch00k | what could be wrong with my env? | 14:02 |
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| larsks | Ch00k: I ran into that recently; I think it was caused by my python subunit module not being recent enough. I solved it by setting up a dedicated virtualenv for running tempest. | 14:06 |
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| JoeHazzers | in neutron, what's the difference between "local" and "flat"? All I can find is this: "provider:network_type local means that Networking does not have to realize this network through provider network. " | 14:19 |
| JoeHazzers | But I don't really comprehend what this means. | 14:20 |
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| larsks | JoeHazzers: I think "local" means "only exists on a specific physical host", whereas "flat" means "attached directly to a physical device". | 14:27 |
| moos3 | anyone have insight into this error https://gist.github.com/moos3/8863523 | 14:27 |
| larsks | E.g., an "allinone" install will use "local" tenant networks, but this network type will not work if you grow beyond a single host. | 14:27 |
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| JoeHazzers | Then I'm interested as to why it's documented under step 3: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/yum/content/demo_per_tenant_router_network_config.html | 14:28 |
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| wondra | Got it: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/openstack/operators/32111 Post #4 | 14:29 |
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| larsks | JoeHazzers: I'm not sure, and I could be wrong about my interpretation of those terms. I would file a doc bug against that page, because as you say the explanation is a little lacking. | 14:31 |
| larsks | I might just do that right now. | 14:31 |
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| JoeHazzers | !! | 14:31 |
| openstack | JoeHazzers: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 14:31 |
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| larsks | JoeHazzers: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1277530 | 14:35 |
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| larsks | You can click the "This bug affects you" link if you think this accurately describes the problem with the documentation. | 14:36 |
| moos3 | anyone else run into this Error: Failed to launch instance "test": Please try again later [Error: Remote error: ProcessExecutionError Unexpected error while running command. Command: sudo nova-rootwrap /etc/nova/rootwrap.conf env CONFIG_FILE=["/etc/nova/nova.conf"] NETWORK_ID=1 dnsmasq --strict-order --bind-interfaces --conf-file= --pid-file=/opt/stac]. | 14:36 |
| moos3 | ? | 14:36 |
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| JoeHazzers | larsks: thanks. | 14:37 |
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| larsks | moos3: I would look for more details on that error in /var/log/nova/*.log. | 14:37 |
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| boichev | What does this error when I try to create a new VM from an image with e new volume: finished being created but the volume creation vails http://paste.openstack.org/show/63056/ | 14:57 |
| boichev | fails* | 14:58 |
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| boichev | found the problem the cinder node was missing qemu-utils | 15:06 |
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| JoeHazzers | I'm having trouble with security groups in neutron. I'm using the ml2 plugin with the linuxbridge mechanism driver. I've set a dummy firewalldriver in ml2_conf.ini and i've set the proper firewalldriver in the linuxbridge ini. | 15:13 |
| JoeHazzers | However, neutron security-group-list returns a 404 | 15:13 |
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| ctlaugh_ | I'm using devstack (trunk) on saucy, and when it finishes, I lose the ability to connect to other systems until I reboot. I can still SSH into the box from outside, but that's it. Any ideas? | 15:56 |
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| baffle | How are people handling Microsoft licensing in OpenStack? I've looked over the standard SPLA agreements, but they don't really fit the cloud usecase, especially with hourly billing. | 16:57 |
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| goodwill | microsoft licensing? | 16:59 |
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| xmltok | is anyone using a bonded interface for their external network successfully? ive tried with the linux bridge plugin but only some of my hosts will allow the vms to arp. im wondering if openvswitch is any different | 17:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | xmltok: doesnt it just treat the bonded intf as just another interface? | 17:03 |
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| baffle | goodwill: Yeah, to run Windows Server guests. | 17:04 |
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| xmltok | sam-i-am: openstack itself does, but there appears to be an issue running VMs over bridged+bonded interfaces, my arps dont get a response on some of my hosts, other hosts work fine. | 17:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | do all of the arps make it to the other end? | 17:05 |
| xmltok | sam-i-am: there is a bug filed from a few years ago, im finding people in ubuntu forums with the same issue (unrelated to openstack there) https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/897095 | 17:05 |
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| xmltok | yeah, i can see the arps going out if i tcpdump from other nodes | 17:05 |
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| xmltok | if i tcpdump the bond interface on my host i see arp responses too, but they dont make it back to the vm interface | 17:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hmm | 17:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | arp is usually not firewalled so i cant imagine that being the case | 17:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | do you know if the arp goes out one link of the bond and comes back on another? | 17:07 |
| xmltok | i suspect so | 17:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | really shouldnt matter... | 17:08 |
| xmltok | let me see | 17:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | not sure how the hash works | 17:08 |
| xmltok | yeah i wouldnt think it does, if i look at the neutron bridge (brq66555ba0-6f) i can see arp req/response. if i look at the vm interface instance-0000011e, i can see only arp requests | 17:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so youre using linuxbridge instead of ovs? | 17:09 |
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| baffle | Microsoft has launched Cloud Platform Suite SPLA, but they require that you license *and run* Windows server 2012 R2 on your infrastructure. Meh. | 17:09 |
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| xmltok | sam-i-am: yeah, i was unable to get vlan tags working with OVS | 17:10 |
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| xmltok | ive just checked, the arp responses are coming back on the same interface as the request, so thats even weirder | 17:10 |
| xmltok | it must be something in the bridge that is not sending it back to the requester | 17:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | hmm | 17:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | can you simulate other kinds of arp (not from your instances) ? | 17:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | like from within a netns to somesuch | 17:12 |
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| xmltok | i can try something like that | 17:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | is there any weird vlan tagging going on? | 17:13 |
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| xmltok | if OVS works better, id rather use that. i havent been able to find much documentation on configuring the OVS plugin | 17:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | like tags getting stripped somewhere | 17:13 |
| xmltok | its on a tagged vlan, but nothing weird about it | 17:13 |
| xmltok | the external interface in the bridge is tagged | 17:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | what docs about ovs are missing? | 17:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | i havent used neutron with linuxbridge before, just nova-net | 17:15 |
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| xmltok | well, the only thing i found was http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt/content/install-neutron.install-plug-in.ovs.html | 17:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | where did you find the neutron+linuxbridge docs? | 17:16 |
| xmltok | i went with that and it seemed functional, but i wasnt getting any network on my VMs, ovs-vsctl showed bridge configurations that seemed right | 17:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the install guide builds a basic config - multi tenant networks over gre with one provider router. not sure it works with vlan tagging. | 17:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | there are other neutron archs in other docs | 17:17 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: xmltok: http://docs.openstack.org/havana/config-reference/content/networking-plugin-linuxbridge_agent.html | 17:18 |
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| xmltok | the linuxbridge install guide docs are good for my setup before i bonded my interfaces | 17:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | did you look in the cloud admin guide | 17:19 |
| xmltok | not for this issue, let me see | 17:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | or... can you explain your design? | 17:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | is it purely l2? | 17:20 |
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| xmltok | yeah, we have vlans/networks created already so all I need from neutron is to configure a VM on the right tagged bridge | 17:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think this might be what youre trying to do: | 17:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | http://developer.rackspace.com/blog/neutron-networking-vlan-provider-networks.html | 17:24 |
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| xmltok | yes | 17:27 |
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| xmltok | im still going through it but this looks a lot like what i was doing with OVS before | 17:28 |
| xmltok | i didnt have the ph-eth0 though, i just used the br-ex bridge | 17:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | i suspect theres a lot of variations out there | 17:29 |
| devoid | is there a way to configure a nova hypervisor with multiple instance root disk backends? | 17:29 |
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| xmltok | ah i had physnet1 instead of ph-eth0. so the only real difference between this configuration and what I had tried with OVS is in network_vlan_ranges. they have it set to ph-eth0:200:200, while I just had mine set to physnet1 -- no vlan ids specified | 17:31 |
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| devoid | so our configuration right now is to mount a shared filesystem (gluster) at $state_path/instances for each hypervisor | 17:35 |
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| devoid | obviously for different hypervisors we could configure them to do different mounts, but I am wondering if it is possible to do something different... | 17:36 |
| xmltok | im going to try the OVS plugin again with the vlan ids specified | 17:36 |
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| aslaen | Hello, n00b question.. If I rename a compute host after installing openstack, is there a way to rename it everywhere without manually updating DB? | 17:44 |
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| devoid | aslaen, not really | 17:48 |
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| aslaen | devoid: hrmm ok thanks | 17:48 |
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| foul_owl | Hi folks, I'm trying to do a "nova list" on a relatively new install of devstack, and I get "Max retries exceeded with url: /v2.0/tokens" | 21:00 |
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| mordred | 1/buffer 211 | 21:05 |
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| JoeHazzers | how can i connect a neutron router to the underlying flat network with a specific ip and mac address? | 21:07 |
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| larsks | foul_owl: Sounds like a problem contacting keystone. Anything of interest when you run that with --debug? Do keystone commands (like "keystone token-get") work? | 21:09 |
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| larsks | JoeHazzers: This bug suggests that maybe you can't, yet: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1188427 | 21:13 |
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| JoeHazzers | then that's a limitation that cripples us. | 21:13 |
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| larsks | JoeHazzers: Don't take my word for it, though; you may want to ask this on the mailing list. | 21:14 |
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| JoeHazzers | the lack of documentation with regarding MAC and IP allocations for these sort of things is startling | 21:14 |
| JoeHazzers | and god forbid i want to control ip allocation myself :/ | 21:14 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so... | 21:15 |
| larsks | JoeHazzers: Keep in mind that openstack is still a developing project, and neutron itself is very new. | 21:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | if you set a floating ip range as a subset of that network, the router will use the first IP in that range | 21:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | so you have some control over it | 21:15 |
| JoeHazzers | the IP isn't the problem | 21:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | it wont always use .1 | 21:15 |
| JoeHazzers | the mac address is | 21:15 |
| JoeHazzers | and why can't i just bind a port to a router? | 21:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | whats the use case for a specific mac address? | 21:16 |
| JoeHazzers | yes, and "very new" means two release cycles? | 21:16 |
| JoeHazzers | i have a use case for binding a specific port to a router. | 21:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | there's not a whole lot that neutron itself does with mac addresses | 21:17 |
| JoeHazzers | but although i have a workaround for this | 21:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | it leaves that for ovs | 21:18 |
| JoeHazzers | i have a much bigger problem | 21:18 |
| JoeHazzers | that of course only applies if you're using ovs | 21:18 |
| JoeHazzers | further to this, i want to be able to restrict subnets to specific hosts/agents. | 21:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | neutron and ovs usually go together | 21:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | the other option is linuxbridge, but i see that more with nova-net | 21:18 |
| JoeHazzers | our use case is ml2, linuxbridge and hyperv | 21:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | right now networks are per-tenant, not necessarily per-host. i suspect you could do something with regions, but i dont know. | 21:19 |
| JoeHazzers | what i'm trying to say is | 21:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | not sure if there's a way to cluster certain hosts together | 21:20 |
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| JoeHazzers | we have a large network, and on it only certain ip ranges are available to certain hosts | 21:21 |
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| JoeHazzers | i'd like to know if there's a way to say which agent(s) or which host(s) can use specific subnets or not | 21:21 |
| JoeHazzers | if not, i'm going to have to write this myself. | 21:21 |
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| larsks | JoeHazzers: If your connectivity to these networks is via Neutron's L3 agent, you can run multiple L3 agents on different hosts mediating access to particular networks. Does that get you what you want? | 21:22 |
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| JoeHazzers | I'm not sure i fully understand | 21:23 |
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| larsks | The L3 agents sets up the routers the connect "internal" networks to "external" networks. For multiple external networks, you run one L3 agent for each network, and these can be on different hosts. This means that instance access to these networks is via these routers (instances do not get addresses directly on these networks -- they get assigned floating ip addresses on these networks, and NAT happens | 21:24 |
| larsks | on the routers). | 21:24 |
| JoeHazzers | of course, this currently leads to hilarious traffic bottlenecks. | 21:24 |
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| JoeHazzers | and it's one network. | 21:25 |
| JoeHazzers | i do not want to present literally hundreds of networks to my users | 21:25 |
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| larsks | It's one network...but only certain address ranges are available to certain physical hosts? | 21:25 |
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| JoeHazzers | as in, only certain hosts can use certain ip addresses | 21:26 |
| JoeHazzers | but ideologically it's to be considered one "flat" network | 21:26 |
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| larsks | Huh. I'm not sure I fully understand the use case, but I think it's worth writing it up and posting it to the mailing list; you may get more eyes on the question there. | 21:27 |
| JoeHazzers | honestly, i'd be quite happy to offer any constructive suggestions to the guys responsible for the networking layout to allow any machine anywhere to have any ip (to enable live migration), but i don't know what to say. | 21:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | make sure you put [neutron] in your subject line | 21:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | some people filter on that | 21:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i would think that one huge flat network = broadcast problems | 21:29 |
| JoeHazzers | i didn't say layer 2 ;) | 21:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | what is it running on? | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | route-only ports? | 21:30 |
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| JoeHazzers | i don't know, and i don't care. about literally zero people in the department are happy with the network topology. | 21:30 |
| JoeHazzers | excluding of course, the network guys. | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm really curious... being a network guy and all | 21:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | has to be some sort of reason they did it. is it all l3vpn? | 21:31 |
| JoeHazzers | it's worse, we can't use VLANs because they use them for this horrible network layout | 21:31 |
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| JoeHazzers | so the scenario is that any and every interface on a device has to be pre-registered (i.e. mac address registered, IP address given back). | 21:32 |
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| JoeHazzers | after this, you have to wait 20+ minutes for DNS updates | 21:32 |
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| JoeHazzers | so now this machine is in an "IP service" | 21:32 |
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| JoeHazzers | which is a subnet of ips (say, 10.0.0.0/24) | 21:33 |
| JoeHazzers | and of course, this means a machine can not take its IP with it | 21:33 |
| larsks | JoeHazzers: That sounds painful. | 21:33 |
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| JoeHazzers | so live migration of VMs more than 2-3 racks down the row or to the next row is a no-no | 21:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | uggggggh | 21:33 |
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| JoeHazzers | so this means in order to get networking running, we have to hack in our own IP allocation algorithm, talk to a SOAP interface, wait up to 20 minutes on windows VMS (so the reverse DNS is correct so they can retrieve their certificates and keytabs) | 21:34 |
| JoeHazzers | personally, i hate it | 21:34 |
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| JoeHazzers | but I am open to network architecture suggestions. | 21:34 |
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| Sam-I-Am | bbiab phone meeting | 21:35 |
| JoeHazzers | My solution to this would be to have distributed L3 routers across all of our nodes, and then just run a VXLAN or GRE network on top of this pile of crap | 21:35 |
| JoeHazzers | but i'm open to any suggestions regarding how the network guys should do it better, too. | 21:35 |
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| JoeHazzers | larsks: any suggestions as to how they should fix the datacenter network would be very appreciated, even just links :) | 21:37 |
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| larsks | JoeHazzers: I'm not sure where to point you. I would suggest having a single network dedicated to external connectivity for your openstack environment on which you control address allocation. | 21:39 |
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| JoeHazzers | how do you scale this network to thousands of hypervisors? | 21:40 |
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| larsks | Do all of the hypervisors need to have addresses on your physical networks? | 21:41 |
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| JoeHazzers | can we assume the hypervisors already have interfaces on a separate network | 21:42 |
| JoeHazzers | and now we're just talking about tenant and instance connectivity | 21:42 |
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| JoeHazzers | how do you provide the sort of network where any IP can be physically anywhere? | 21:45 |
| larsks | JoeHazzers: Up to a certain point, by making your networks available to many physical hosts. But I am not a scalability expert. I'm trying to find some architecture documentation to point you at, but not having much luck. Sam-I-Am, any suggestions? | 21:47 |
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| Sam-I-Am | larsks: on the phone :/ | 21:48 |
| JoeHazzers | in all honesty i do need to breathe down the networking team's neck and tell them they're behind the curve and their inability to satisfy the requirement of "i want an IP, and I want to move it around", but that might not win me any political victories. | 21:48 |
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| JoeHazzers | i will slap this up in a thorough email over the weekend for the dev mailing list(?) though | 21:50 |
| JoeHazzers | so don't feel the need to reply now | 21:51 |
| larsks | JoeHazzers: Probably not -dev. | 21:51 |
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| JoeHazzers | discuss? | 21:51 |
| larsks | I think it's just openstack@mumble. | 21:51 |
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| JoeHazzers | so it is | 21:51 |
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| JoeHazzers | larsks: thanks anyway :) | 21:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | JoeHazzers: short story (still on phone call) ... ethernet fabrics and layer 2 | 22:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | the multi-tiered spanning tree / lacp / routing thing is old news | 22:14 |
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| Sam-I-Am | conventional networks dont handle the modern datacenter with east-west traffic very well | 22:14 |
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| xmltok | sam-i-am: i was able to get my bridging working, it was a bug in the kernel | 23:36 |
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| Sam-I-Am | xmltok: ahhhhh | 23:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | makes sense | 23:47 |
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| xmltok | the route is injected but the nodes cant reach the .3 ip that is running on another machine. it looks like the only VMs that can access the metadata are the ones on the machine running the dnsmasq process | 23:51 |
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