Saturday, 2014-02-08

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Darkness650Hi, I'm having an issue where it seems that keypairs created by one user don't seem to be visible to other users within the same project00:19
Darkness650Is there some option to make keypairs visible to everyone?00:19
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Sam-I-Aminteresting question...00:27
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Darkness650Actually, looking at the database, it would seem that keys are unique to a user00:29
Darkness650by design00:29
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Darkness650Specifically, the nova.key_pairs table has a column "user_id"00:31
Sam-I-Amthey are that way with ssh too00:31
Darkness650I should have been more specific with my question:  "...it seems that SSH keypairs created..."00:31
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Sam-I-Ami think those would naturally be per-user00:34
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Sam-I-Amsince you wont have the same private key in multiple places00:35
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devnull222hello00:35
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devnull222I have a question regarding setting up openstack.  Is this the right forum for it?00:36
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dolphmdevnull222: yes sir!00:40
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devnull222oh cool00:40
dolphmdevnull222: granted the channel is already winding down for the weekend00:40
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devnull222I'm setting a openstack cloud using ubuntu/maas/juju, all services came up as started.  when I run nova flavor-list, I received a "Malformed request" as a response from nova-api-os-compute.00:41
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devnull222I pdb.set_trace in nova-api-os-compute, the request handler received "text/plain" as content-type and return "malformed".00:43
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devnull222but since this is a GET request, there is no body content.  Am I doing something wrong?00:44
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devnull222http://paste.openstack.org/show/63170/ this is the bt on the python-novaclient side.00:47
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dolphmdevnull222: ... that's weird00:52
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dolphmdevnull222: what little i know of the api.. everything seems fine to me00:53
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devnull222why is nova-api-os-compute expect a body content on GET request?00:57
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strictlybnewb to openstack here, trying to figure out how to get started, any nice person around right now that wouldnt mind chatting with me for a few minutes,03:26
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strictlybwould be super aprecitive ;)03:27
Sam-I-Amstrictlyb: yo03:28
strictlybhey man03:28
strictlybhow are you,03:28
Sam-I-Amsomewhat functional03:28
strictlybcan i PM you or do you prefer to chat here ?03:28
Sam-I-Amin here is best03:28
strictlybok so right now i have a server online to do this testing with, i really need a replacement for my virtualization, and other things, i see all of these different chef repos and paths togo for this,03:29
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strictlybi have a 6.4 centos node up i was going to use for the machine it runs on or is that wrong03:29
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strictlybdoes it need ubuntu?03:29
strictlybi think i need the dashboard stuff and nova and the blockdevice one?03:30
strictlybbut im reall not sute,03:30
strictlybsure*03:30
Sam-I-Amit works on cent03:30
strictlybgreat03:30
strictlybi have read some docs03:30
strictlyband some videos but im not really sure, to note i am an advanced chef users03:30
strictlybso my problem isnt there,03:30
strictlybjusty need some direction in how to get started really03:30
Sam-I-Amwell, if you have one box and want a proof-of-concept, your best bet is either the RDO quick start or fuel03:31
strictlybi have several boxes if need be but i guess one box would be best to POC it03:31
strictlybfuel or RDO?03:31
Sam-I-Amthey more or less handle the complex configuration bits and leave you with a mostly working system03:31
Sam-I-Amyeah03:31
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Sam-I-Amonce you get comfortable with how it all works, you can move to a manual installation with multiple nodes using the installation guide03:32
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strictlybwhich woukd you say is best to use03:32
strictlybRDO or FUEL03:32
Sam-I-Ami dont have any favorites, really.03:32
Sam-I-Amrdo is probably better suited to one box03:32
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Sam-I-Amfuel includes a lot of HA and redundancy things that work best on multiple boxes03:33
strictlybi see,03:33
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strictlybok so i will try http://openstack.redhat.com/Main_Page ? to POC it03:33
strictlyband then i will look into fuel or manual03:33
strictlybis there anything you would recommend or advise as i get into this03:33
strictlybrigh tnow i have xenserver clusters HA and a libvirt/kvm cluster with knife kvm03:34
Sam-I-Amout of the box, openstack uses kvm03:35
Sam-I-Amit can also use xen and esx, but i havent configured those03:35
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Sam-I-Amhttp://openstack.redhat.com/Quickstart and then also read this https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=103447603:36
strictlybcheers, reading03:36
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Sam-I-Amthings to think about for production environments... do you need block storage for your instances? object storage? how do you do networking, etc.03:37
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strictlyberr already some dependency issues03:38
strictlybim on centos 6.4 too ;x03:38
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Sam-I-Amthere might be some repos to configure03:39
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strictlybit looks like it did that but..  here we go ;)03:40
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strictlybsigh puppet repo seems broken03:46
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Sam-I-Amhmm, i wonder what its pointing to03:47
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Sam-I-Ami know they're trying to roll out a new version03:47
Sam-I-Ami think theres a way to get it specifically to 'havana'03:47
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strictlybchecking,03:50
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strictlybyeah no dice , u think fuel would be better?03:51
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Sam-I-Amyou can try it03:52
Sam-I-Amnot sure why rdo isnt working, something must be up03:52
strictlybmeh03:52
strictlybok,03:52
Sam-I-Amcould probably figure it out from the errors03:52
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strictlybits ruby shadow04:11
strictlybhttps://gist.github.com/mikemaring/a077f8d49974481d5d6504:11
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Sam-I-Amis this a base install of cent?04:15
Sam-I-Amwith no other repos added?04:15
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strictlybwell i have my repo but there no shadow there04:19
strictlybits coming from epel04:19
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strictlybi strapped it with my base system but thats about it,04:19
Sam-I-Ami'm trying to remember if cent needed epel for rdo04:19
strictlybit installed it on its own04:20
strictlybcuz i removed it for sure,04:20
strictlyband it readded it04:20
Sam-I-Amok, that makes sense then04:20
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Sam-I-Amhttp://openstack.redhat.com/Quickstart04:23
Sam-I-Amin there, step 1... mentions how to use an older version04:23
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Sam-I-Amhttp://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/openstack/openstack-havana/rdo-release-havana-7.noarch.rpm04:24
Sam-I-Amthats probably the rpm to install04:24
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strictlybso dont do step 104:25
strictlyband do that one instead04:25
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Sam-I-Amwell, you still have to do step 1, but installing a slightly different rpm04:26
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strictlybthis step installs all the repos anyway hrn04:27
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strictlybpackstack04:27
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strictlybanyway to bypass that, its pulling it all down and causing the break04:29
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strictlybthis seems crazy that out the box this doesnt work and theres no known fixes,04:34
strictlybsigh04:34
Sam-I-Amit should just use which repo you tell it to use04:34
strictlybso check it04:35
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strictlybi installed the repo on the site and when i run  packstack --allinone it installs epel and such04:44
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strictlybim gunna try epel=n04:44
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strictlybthis is really annoying04:47
strictlybnot a good start ;)04:47
Sam-I-Amyeh, not sure whats up04:48
Sam-I-Ami'd go fire some stuff up, but its late here and i'm about to go to bed04:48
Sam-I-Ami know this worked last time i tried it a few weeks ago04:48
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Sam-I-Amyour other option is the manual install, or fuel04:53
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andrewbogottI am stumped by yet another of these:  Timeout: Timeout while waiting on RPC response - topic: "network.virt1001"12:40
andrewbogottUsing nova-network… the service connects to the queue just fine, and then the log never speaks again.12:40
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strictlybSam-I-Am17:32
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strictlybare you around17:32
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strictlybi got it installed figured out what the problem was,17:33
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strictlybhave a question tho17:33
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sassynHi18:27
sassynQuick question that I have18:27
sassynVM taffic to the external network go via what?18:28
sassynthe main router?18:28
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sassynor via the network node?18:29
sassynas I still don't figure how floting IP works?18:29
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BuSerDgeneric answer is via the router by way of an external gateway IP. it's not forced to pass through the network node unless the environment demands it.18:34
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BuSerDfloating IPs are again environment specific but in short they are just an IP or subnet that can be assigned to different instances attached to router that provides the gateway for the floating IP pool.18:36
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GadolGrandGadolsecrets d'état & co ( révélations, etc ), faites tourner .. http://morganroulleau.wordpress.com ( on s'en branle que vous compreniez pas, au pire ça viendra plus tard ( .. )) ( La NSA approuve ce message. ) ( méway, sans doute, ils m'aiment. )18:44
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sassynBuSerD,20:26
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sassynI just don't understand20:26
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sassynthe way the internet hosts can access the vm?20:26
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sassynif the router is the one u assign the elastic ip for a vm, how does it know where to route it?20:27
sassyndoes it use static NAT?20:27
sassynor that this goes via SDN?20:27
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sassynI mean does the compute node has no access to the internet20:31
sassynso all traffic goes via the network node?20:31
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BuSerD@sassyn that's a lot of questions in one shot :)  let me copy them over and answer as much as i can for you.20:40
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sassynBuSerD, Thank u20:47
sassyn:-)20:47
sassynit just I go over the documenation and some stuff not clear to m20:47
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BuSerDnot a problem. like i mentioned it's a tough topic especially early on.20:48
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sassynhttps://github.com/mseknibilel/OpenStack-Folsom-Install-guide/blob/master/OpenStack_Folsom_Install_Guide_WebVersion.rst20:49
sassynsee here for example20:49
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sassynin this network I guess the VM internet access can be a valid IP address not 192.168.100.0/24 but more like 80.82.13.0/24. Then I can figure that each VM20:50
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sassynwill have IP address of 100.20.20.0/24 and all will be routeable via the Network Node20:50
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BuSerDin this example that is correct.20:52
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BuSerDon the compute node the instance gets its IP from DCHP and routing is managed by the openvswitch agent which speaks quantum/neutron lingo.20:54
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BuSerDthe traffic here is routed through the network node and exits at br-ex which emerges at a NAT'd public IP from the datacenter and out on to the internet.20:55
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sassynOK20:58
sassynUnderstand20:58
sassyn1 question, is the security group, the IPtables one - u do the NAT is created in the network node20:58
sassynI mean if U enable a port 80 for a VM with the ip address of 10.20.20.33 for example20:59
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sassynso from the internet ip address of 80.82.13.33 will open port 80 for this VM.21:00
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sassynso iptbales will be configure but the network node.21:00
sassynbut = by*21:01
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sassynin the https://github.com/mseknibilel/OpenStack-Folsom-Install-guide/blob/master/OpenStack_Folsom_Install_Guide_WebVersion.rst21:02
sassynit is true to releate the VM  Internet access  as a IP scope of valid IP address?21:03
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sassynso 192.168.100.0/24 will be  more like 80.82.13.0/24, or that it is assume that the router map somehow the valid IP address to the 192.168.100.0/2421:04
sassynthis part I missing21:04
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BuSerDIs the security group creating rules at the network node? yes the ovs agent told the v router were to send the traffic and the rule(s) are expanded to determine if the destination IP/port is allowed.21:07
BuSerDyou actually have a decent understanding of how this all works.21:07
BuSerDs/were/where/21:08
BuSerDlol, my fingers are denying me.21:08
sassyn:-)21:08
sassynok21:08
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sassynbut one more thing so 192.168.100.0/24 will be  more like 80.82.13.0/24, or that it is assume that the router map somehow the valid IP address to the 192.168.100.0/2421:09
sassynIn the example I send before?21:09
sassynBuSerD, thank u - u are really helping21:09
BuSerDyes, when I deploy a build one of the most frustrating parts is to get our NetSec team to set up the static NATs needed to allow the floating IPs proper ExNet communication. So i can't make that assumption since I always have to make sure it gets done :)21:12
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BuSerDif that's too vague think of it as "if my internal IP doesn't have a public sNAT IP mapped it can't communicate of course". Most of us need that ability.21:15
sassynbut if U do it in the Network Node there is not neet to make the static nat21:17
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sassynif assume that the  192.168.100.0/24 is 80.82.13.0/24 in the example I sent u.21:18
sassynif howerver it is not the case, I can't think about automatic way of mapping the vaild IP  to the private21:19
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sassynas it must be done by hand, just for basic connectivity not even talking about floting IP21:20
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sassynI'm asking this to see if I understand connectrly21:22
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BuSerDI see what you are getting at. The sNAT example that I presented can be avoided if you have a public IP subnet attached to br-ex. The translation then takes place (L3 agent) within the v router (neutron).21:25
sassynGreat21:25
sassynso can u tell how does it mean to work in the example I sent?21:26
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sassynas i do understand how VM can access the internet,21:26
sassynbut still doens't undertand his example how to VM are access able from the internet21:27
BuSerDabsolutely. inbound = client -> web request -> internet -> data center -> switch -> openstack neutron -> br-ex -> ovs agent -> L3 agent (v router port) -> eth0 -> your instance on port 8021:29
KaZeRhey there. after a maintenance on our cluster ( physically moving the rack, so powering down everything) i have some instances (about 40%) that do not start anymore.21:33
KaZeRi have to qvo / qbr interfaces21:33
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KaZeRthe qvo ports are visible via ovs-vsctl show, but not on the system (via ip a)21:33
KaZeRthe error preventing the instances to start seems to be TRACE nova.openstack.common.rpc.amqp libvirtError: Cannot get interface MTU on 'qbr5e0c6474-79': No such device21:33
KaZeRany hints?21:34
sassynBuSerD, so in the example I send u saying the the all IP scope is just static nated to the 192.168.100.X IP address of the network node21:34
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BuSerDcorrect. even if nuetron is not a separate node and installed on a controller for example.21:35
sassynOK21:36
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sassynbut still if a session to 80.82.13.0.33 is going in ... and is route to 192.168.10..53 which is the network node, we still need to know which VM is the IP 33.21:38
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sassynthe floting IP can be map from the 192.168.10.X to the ip created via DHCP to the VM, so 192.168.10.X-> will be map to 10.20.20.0/2421:41
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sassynbut how the map is coming from 80.82.13.0.33?21:41
sassynto the  10.20.20.0/2421:41
sassynwhat I missing?21:41
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BuSerDterminology will kill you every time. The openvswitch agent doesn't really care about which VM is .3321:42
BuSerDit only cares that it knows which v router that public needs to pass through.21:43
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BuSerDthe router then hands of to the internal network.21:43
BuSerDs/of/off21:43
sassynfor outgoing, but what about incoming21:44
sassyn4 days I'm with this and still I don't get it21:44
sassyn:-(21:44
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BuSerDthat is incoming :-)  which I personally think is more complex than neccessary.21:48
BuSerDmaybe have a read of -> http://developer.rackspace.com/blog/beginning-to-understand-neutron-provider-and-tenant-networks-in-openstack.html21:48
BuSerDthat may help express it a little better than i can.21:48
sassynok21:48
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sassynLOOKIN21:48
sassynthank u21:49
sassyni hope I don't drive u crazy :-)21:49
sassynit is a little bit tricky the all SDN21:49
sassynvery exciting21:49
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sassynI'm in the networking bussiness for 15 year21:49
BuSerDno problem. I'm trying to find an article from one mister Phil Hopkins. He seems to have a solid grasp.21:49
sassynand this is realy ycool21:49
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derek_cI'm changing a model in keystone.  Is there an easy way to modify the corresponding db table without running stack.sh again?21:51
morganfainbergderek_c, you could create a migration script21:52
derek_cby changing a model I mean modifying some .py file that contains some code that uses SqlAlchemy21:52
BuSerD@sasyn he hasn't published the meat of his work yet but here is the first public submission -> http://developer.rackspace.com/blo21:52
derek_cmorganfainberg: is there anything built in?21:52
BuSerDsorry -> http://developer.rackspace.com/blog/software-defined-networks-in-the-havana-release-of-openstack.html21:52
morganfainbergderek_c, well, if you're changing the sqla model, you will likely need to change the migration script as well.  we don't use the models to build the db schema21:52
derek_cso how does the db schema get built?21:53
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derek_cmorganfainberg: ^21:53
morganfainbergderek_c, it also depends what you're changing.  the migration scripts live here http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/common/sql/migrate_repo/versions21:54
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morganfainbergderek_c, if you're writing an extension, we have docs on how an extension can have it's own migrate repo21:54
morganfainberghttp://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/doc/source/extension_development.rst21:54
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morganfainbergderek_c, and if this is inrelation to a bug, you should absolutely file it on LaunchPad so we can track it/accept the change/discuss it/solve the issue for you. You will also want to be careful about changing the schema21:55
morganfainbergderek_c, so that upgrade paths (e.g. havana -> icehouse) aren't difficult for you21:56
sassynBuSerD, reading21:56
morganfainbergderek_c, just a heads up and some starting places :)21:56
sassynSimple Flat Network21:57
sassynis simple21:57
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derek_cmorganfainberg: thanks for the tips!21:57
morganfainbergderek_c, np!21:58
sassynhttp://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt/content/section_use-cases-multi-flat.html21:58
sassynbut this I don;t understand21:58
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derek_cmorganfainberg: and how do you usually run the migration script?  just feed it to `python`21:58
derek_c?21:58
morganfainbergderek_c, usually with keystone-manage db_sync i believe21:58
morganfainbergderek_c, let me look for you21:58
sassynBuSerD, http://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt/content/section_use-cases-multi-flat.html how does teanatC can be attach to two network?21:59
morganfainbergderek_c, ./bin/keystone-manage db_sync21:59
BuSerDit gets worse. i have a deployment coming up that crosses two datacenters and they want HA network nodes. this one will either be epic or an epic fail.21:59
morganfainbergderek_c, you can specify the schema version and if you write an extension21:59
morganfainberg./bin/keystone-manage db_sync --extension <extension>21:59
morganfainbergderek_c, if you look at the extension_development doc ^ it'll give you some more insight into extensions and migrations for those extensions (not sure what you need to change and/or how)22:00
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sassynBuSerD, how can it work?22:01
BuSerD@sassyn an interface for each network is created on the VM when each network is assigned to the instance.22:01
BuSerDI don't know how it will work or even if it's truly possible to make it HA.22:02
sassynbut as it said this is a flat network22:02
BuSerDhonestly i don't think it will because once the traffic emerges from the GRE tunnel at the other DC it'll essentially be lost.22:02
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derek_cmorganfainberg: thanks :)  I'm not writing an extension, just doing some in-house work to change the schema itself.  Anyway, what if instead of migrating the data, I want to rebuild the db from scratch, using the new schema?  How would you do it?22:03
BuSerDbasically just bouncing around until it expires.22:03
morganfainbergderek_c, the easiest way would be to probably drop the keystone db, recreate it, then run the db_sync22:03
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morganfainbergderek_c, usually... i re-run stack.sh22:03
morganfainbergderek_c, when working in devstack22:03
morganfainbergderek_c, if you only want the change (not an empty schema)22:04
derek_cmorganfainberg: wouldn't re-running stack.sh take much longer?22:04
morganfainbergderek_c, once you write the migration script, you can run db_sync and it will do the schema change w/ your data in it22:04
morganfainbergderek_c, well, it does, but it also populates data for you22:04
sassynmultiple flat network as I get it means that the compute node is connect to this network22:05
morganfainbergderek_c, once you've got the code cloned (git), a clean stack (as i recall) takes me ~5min22:05
morganfainbergderek_c, from a new VM, a clean stack takes ~10-2022:05
sassynhttp://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt/content/section_neutron-single-flat.html22:05
sassynif u take a loog in this picture22:05
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sassynthe compute node is part of the Data Network22:06
sassynwhich is connect to the internet22:06
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morganfainbergderek_c, usually the path of least resistence, if you want a clean (and running) devstack, is stack.sh - if you want to keep the data you have now, just migrate.  if you want an empty schema with no data, drop the db and db_sync.22:06
sassynso let say ip address of 30.0.0.0/24 are valid IP address22:06
derek_cmorganfainberg: thanks a lot! that was very helpful22:07
morganfainbergderek_c, np :)  happy i can help22:07
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MrCuriouswhen i try to reate a 6th instance, it fails, if i delete an instance, i can re-create it.  i cant seem to find the right log to understand what is stopping me from exceeding 5 instances on a 2cpu install22:09
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sassynI'm sorry guys - I can't understand this example22:10
sassynhttp://docs.openstack.org/havana/install-guide/install/apt/content/section_use-cases-multi-flat.html22:10
sassyncan someone tell me how in a flat network this can happend?22:10
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sassynwhere Tenanet C belong to 2 networks?22:11
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sassyn How does this possible? I mean in the flat network we have a network of 30.0.0.0/22 where all compute node are connected to this flat network. So each compute node VM, can assign an IP from the scope without a issue.22:17
sassynHowever, If I split here the network to connect to a Physical Router as the pic says, then I have 3 different layer 3 - 30.0.0.1 / 30.0.1.1 / 30.0.2.1. since each Compute node is connect to 1 physical network, how can a VM be assign with two different IP ?22:17
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derek_cmorganfainberg: I'm adding a column named "tfa_enabled" to keystone/token/backends/sql.py . when I run stack.sh though, it failed with this: http://pastebin.ca/263601722:24
derek_cany thoughts why?22:24
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MrCuriousnova-scheduler.log attempting to build 1 instance ... setting instance to error state22:29
BuSerDsassyn, because the interfaces on VM1 within TenantC are not physical links. In this case you'd have to accept or they'd have to assert that the compute node is attached to multiple switch ports which address each segment respectively. That image is simplified but for a guy who's experienced at networking like yourself, it's just wrong which is way you are having trouble with it.22:31
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sassynBuSerD, do u really think I have good understand?22:39
sassynI read some much22:39
sassynand still not sure I understand22:40
sassynbut your last feedback make it clean to me now22:40
sassynso bacislly I would say the in most cases the network that does to the VM22:40
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sassynare always routed via the network node22:40
sassynor there other archticture22:40
sassynwhich I will be happy to see22:40
sassyns/some/so22:42
MrCuriouswas a memory issue...22:42
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MrCuriousseems as free reports < 1g ram free, regardless of swap free, openstack will refuse to create new instances22:43
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MrCuriouslooks like setting ram_allocation_ratio=10 in nova.conf sorted it22:44
BuSerDI really do sassyn. We will all need to adjust a little as we dive into SDNs but for now I understand why you view it like a traditional networking stack. it's what you know.22:46
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sassyn:-)22:48
sassynthank u22:48
BuSerDany time.22:48
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derek_cI'm trying to add a column to the User class defined in keystone/identity/backends/sql.py, but running stack.sh results in strange errors.  Does anyone know what other code I need to change to add that column?22:49
BuSerDha, well except for now. being summoned by the bridge troll.22:49
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derek_cwhere exactly is the keystone table schema defined?23:42
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