Sunday, 2014-03-16

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urnotl33thad to go get dinner and put toddler to bed. :)  i'll check out your configs and poke at it some more tomorrow probably.00:45
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Sam-I-Amok01:02
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fifahello room01:29
fifai am working on a RDO01:30
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fifai have a question on neutron/plugin.ini01:31
Sam-I-Amwhat about it?01:31
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fifawhy are there upper and lower case sections???  Ex..[ovs] and [OVS]01:32
fifawhat is the difference ??01:32
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Sam-I-Amits usually just [ovs] but i think either one works01:33
fifaok01:33
fifaits just confusing01:33
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Sam-I-Amits probably a minor bug in how the scripts deploy those config files01:35
fifaok thanks01:35
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urnotl33thuh .. something weird in ovsdb on the controller… i think that's causing the port to be added/re-added to the br-ex bridge. i managed to get that funky port out of the bridge but it came back.. and i didn't even touch it! where can i look to get that "fixed" ?? [i'm very new to this; a n00b perhaps; but i am a networking guy tho]01:51
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Sam-I-Ami seem to recall some issue where the RH scripts will attempt to do things with OVS when you call it out in your network-scripts files01:52
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Sam-I-Amor its the order of how things start... i forget01:53
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Sam-I-Ambbiab01:54
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urnotl33t:)  yet once again, i *think* i got it sorted it with ovs-vsctl del-br and add-br/add-port02:06
urnotl33tbut now, again, the ip and route info doesn't get attached.02:06
urnotl33tbut if i manually to the sequence (ifdown eth0;ifdown br-ex;ifup br-ex;ifup eth0) then it is good once again.  argh. :)02:06
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urnotl33tbut re: your comment about RH scripts, etc.: yeah these ifcfg-* scripts etc are annoying02:09
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urnotl33tso, does the interface attached to br-ex (eth0 in my case; the external-facing interface) need to be defined as Type=Ethernet or Type=OVSPort  ?? internet searches seem to provide mixed info02:28
urnotl33tand i presume i *DO* need ifcfg-br-ex since i want to assign an IP to that interface, right?02:28
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Sam-I-Amwhat did the bug i post earlier say?02:57
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urnotl33tyeah it was the same. just…sanity checking. this whole thing is smelling like a bug to me.03:05
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urnotl33tand my config looks just like that one anyway. :-/03:09
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duketxluse ceph rbd storage on volumes & glance03:17
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duketxlnova delete vms03:17
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duketxlceph storage  don't delete03:17
Sam-I-Amurnotl33t: could be... nothing on the lists or rdo bugs?03:17
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urnotl33tSam-I-Am: i've been all over yahoo and google's indexes and hit everything i know to find. :( gonna go to bed shortly and i'm gonna be dreaming about this :)03:19
duketxlls03:19
urnotl33twoudl the libvirt_vif_driver (in Nova) have anything to do with this? i'm using Neutron on the network node, so i imagine these pieces are relatively independent of each other [by design]03:19
Sam-I-Amurnotl33t: lol, welcome to openstack03:20
Sam-I-Amyou shouldnt need to touch that key03:20
urnotl33t:-D  yeah i know it's all being developed **RIGHT NOW*** so i expect it to be …rocky …03:20
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urnotl33tso leave libvirt_vif_driver alone? (default is commented out)03:21
Sam-I-Amit... usually works03:21
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Sam-I-Amnot sure what your box is doing03:21
Sam-I-Amtrying to remember if i removed the config file for the underlying interface or not...03:22
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Sam-I-Amits been a while since i messed with packstack and rdo03:22
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fifawhat is the best way to restart the neutron ??03:27
fifai just make a change to vxlan03:27
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urnotl33tSam-I-Am:  i'm not using packstack nor RDO [not to my knowledge]. i followed the [very nice!] guide on docs.openstack.org and did yum install … from base fedora 2003:29
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urnotl33t[if that helps any]03:29
fifaanyone ??03:29
urnotl33tservice neutron-server restart, maybe?03:30
Sam-I-Amurnotl33t: oh... hmm. the install guide does not support sharing an interface for br-ex and other access03:30
urnotl33toh?? huh...03:30
Sam-I-Amfifa: define change a vxlan03:30
Sam-I-Amurnotl33t: br-ex is associated with an unnumbered interface in it03:30
Sam-I-Amor... should be.03:31
fifain my /etc/neutron/plugin.ini03:31
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Sam-I-Amfifa: probably all of the neutron services03:31
fifaok03:31
fifais the a openstack specific command to restart all services ??03:32
Sam-I-Amno, just init scripts03:32
Sam-I-Amls -l /etc/init.d/*neutron* should cover them03:32
fifaok thanks03:33
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urnotl33tSam-I-Am: interesting. it says in the Havana guide to "move the IP from the external interface to the br-ex interface". i had thought that was what it meant; at least it made sense to me… :-|03:34
Sam-I-Amurnotl33t: hmm, i guess it does.03:35
urnotl33tbut i certainly don't understand what the "physnet1" and "physnet2" parts mean in the various sections…03:35
Sam-I-Amurnotl33t: i've been busy fixing that whole chapter for icehouse03:35
urnotl33tSam-I-Am: ah. no problem. i understand :)03:36
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Sam-I-Amurnotl33t: the new arch has a network node with 3 interfaces. 1 management (with access to internet), 1 vm tunnel traffic, and 1 br-ex with no IP (and internet access)03:36
urnotl33tso in Icehouse, br-ex has no IP and therefore no internet access?03:37
urnotl33t(directly)03:37
Sam-I-Amyes03:37
Sam-I-Amjust the VMs get to the internet through it03:37
Sam-I-Amanyway, i dont think havana is supported on fedora 20. however, your issue with br-ex seems more like a system config problem03:38
urnotl33tk. it really would only need some sort of "access" itself via the management anyway. i get it...03:38
Sam-I-Ambut i can't guarantee that ovs actually works on fedora 2003:38
Sam-I-Ami dont install openstack on desktop OSs03:38
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urnotl33tunderstood03:38
Sam-I-Amtoo bleeding edge03:38
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Sam-I-Ami know what's mentioned in that rdo bug i posted works on rhel 6.4/6.503:39
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fifaguys after making the change in neutron for vxlan03:40
urnotl33tlooks like someone put in a package for neutron and an openvswitch plugin.. but whether or not that means "supported" is a different story entirely! i know fedora is an envelope-pushing distro… anything goes!! :) so i understand your view there.03:40
fifaand restarting some neutron services03:40
urnotl33t"just because you can, doesn't mean you should"03:40
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fifaand now openstack is throw is error when i try to access it: ERROR: The server has either erred or is incapable of performing the requested operation. (HTTP 500) (Request-ID: req-278426ef-4c0c-46d5-9526-d1ed9ce608a6)03:41
Sam-I-Ami suspect fedora is trying to automate something with your network interfaces03:41
Sam-I-Am500 is a good sign of a config problem03:41
Sam-I-Amor a database problem03:42
Sam-I-Amcheck the neutron-server log03:42
Sam-I-Amurnotl33t: i'd try installing on cent or scientific 6.5 if you can03:42
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Sam-I-Amor fedora 19, which i hear works03:42
urnotl33twith neutron and openvswitch?03:44
Sam-I-Amyeah03:44
fifai can't tell what the problem is in the server.log03:44
Sam-I-Ami have enough scientific boxes here to know that works03:44
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urnotl33tSam-I-Am:  ok.  if it means anything, just fyi, i do have some wonky stability issues in a few places but i think it's due to my unstable network config; again i've been working on it for precisely 3.5 days; but i have been able to get Horizon to do the right stuff and create networks, routers, and instances, and boot the demo CirrOS image; granted without proper networking as you may guess.   but in some manner, on a 3-node demo,03:46
urnotl33tagain, just merely FYI.03:47
Sam-I-Amseems like it works when you set the interfaces up manually, right?03:47
Sam-I-Amjust not on reboot03:47
urnotl33ti presume you're involved in the project, so i do want to send my congrats and accolades to everyone. you've all done a really great job!!03:48
Sam-I-Ami primarily work on the install guide03:48
Sam-I-Amwhich is getting redesigned for icehouse03:48
urnotl33tand yes, manually downing the interface and bridge, and re-upping them, it works.  just not on boot.03:48
Sam-I-Amhopefully easier to follow...03:48
Sam-I-Amsounds like a system thing... i wonder what fedora is doing with those interface config files03:48
urnotl33teven the Havana and Trunk guide were great. only a few minor bits got me, but i know enough networking and linux to get around it. one was my own fault. :)  and i got tripped heavily on the 'physnet1' part, too. i managed to break it good until i figured it out.03:49
Sam-I-Amtrunk is interesting right now since i'm in the process of breaking it03:49
urnotl33tand yes, i agree, re: Fedora and the interface configs..  i never liked RedHat/Fedora's handling of interfaces.03:49
Sam-I-Ambut at least the 'jumping around' bit within the neutron chapter is gone03:50
urnotl33ti accidentally used the Trunk guide to do most of the work, then i noticed something was missing regarding Neutron; once i realized i was in the Trunk guide URL, i changed it to "havana" instead and saw the missing obvious part :)03:50
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Sam-I-Amwhat was missing?03:50
urnotl33tand yes i noticed the peculiar hopping around in the neutron guide.  but i figured it out quickly.03:51
urnotl33tcrap. trying to remember now… gimme a minute. i'll see if i can get it quickly.. it was 48 hours ago when i ran into it. :-/03:51
Sam-I-Amjust curious... i've been messing around quite a bit in there.03:52
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Sam-I-Amalso going to support only 1 config... ml2 w/ gre03:52
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Sam-I-Amthe whole vlan thing was too confusing for new folks03:52
Sam-I-Amchoose nova/neutron then choose vlan/gre ... and now there's vxlan too. gre seems to work on most systems and versions of ovs floating around.03:53
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urnotl33ti just remember that when i got to "neutron net-create… " i died03:54
urnotl33twhatever i had missing, it was due to the differences between havana and trunk03:54
Sam-I-Amoh... that section needs a lot of help03:54
Sam-I-Amit barely worked right in havana03:54
urnotl33twhen i went to the havana guide, i saw it and it was obvious as Day03:54
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urnotl33t"oh. well crap. that would've been helpful"  is what i said :)   out loud, even. :)03:55
Sam-I-Amnice03:55
Sam-I-Amwell, trunk is... experimental.03:55
urnotl33tthen i realized i was in "trunk" and i gave you/it a pass :)03:55
Sam-I-Ammoreso than everything else03:55
urnotl33t"oh, trunk. well no wonder…"03:55
urnotl33tright, i totally understood the differences03:55
urnotl33t(anyone who doesn't shouldn't be doing this, probably.. :) hah)03:56
Sam-I-Ami'd show you the nice new diagrams clearly explaining the example archs used in the guide... but i'm fighting a reference problem with what looks like some orphan files03:56
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urnotl33tno problem03:56
urnotl33tvlans themselves don't bother me, specifically; i do networking at $dayjob03:56
Sam-I-Amhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/129107103:57
Sam-I-Amthats what is getting fixed03:57
urnotl33tbut i can understand how it is tough on server admins03:57
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Sam-I-Ammost people who try to install openstack are sysadmins, so networking is a pain point... especially within linux with ovs and iptables... and maybe vlans. wheee.03:57
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urnotl33tone thing that i managed to figure it (by turning off my brain a little, and just "follow the guide") was the difference  between "Neutron on the Controller" and "Neutron on the Network Node" and "Neutron on the Compute node".  wow… thinking about it too much would've given me a headache! :)03:58
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Sam-I-Amthe objective of the install guide is getting the majority of people to launch a VM without too much headache and then start fiddling around.03:58
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urnotl33tbut i knew the premise of SDN/openflow anyway so i knew what to expect03:58
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Sam-I-Ami'm trying to avoid headaches before launching a vm. people like to make progress before getting frustrated.03:59
urnotl33tyeah.  i can relate.  BUT...03:59
urnotl33tone thing i want to commend you on, specifically, is at each section there's a "Verifying …the thing-you-just-did" part03:59
urnotl33tthat was stellar04:00
urnotl33t"ok i did a bunch of crap; does it even work!?"04:00
Sam-I-Amit helps04:00
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Sam-I-Amand should get better04:00
urnotl33t"keystone agent-list"04:00
urnotl33t—output—04:00
urnotl33twhy yes it does :)04:00
Sam-I-Amthere's this neat command called neutron-debug04:00
Sam-I-Amit lets you probe network connectivity without vms04:00
urnotl33tand when i did "nova image-list" from the Compute node… dude i was thrilled! :) i even told my wife over Skype :) hah04:01
Sam-I-Ami bet she was thrilled04:01
urnotl33tshe's half-geeky, so she kinda was04:01
Sam-I-Amyou doing this for work, fun, or just masochistic?04:01
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urnotl33tfun for now (because i'm tired of hearing Ivan Pepelnjak and the Packet Pushers guys talking about it without ever touching it myself), and i wanted to see what all the fuss was about re: OpenFlow, OVSDB.04:02
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urnotl33tand i do firewalls/networking at $dayjob, so i've been watching the VMware/Nicira/NSX thing too04:02
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Sam-I-Amnsx looks pretty untouchable for companies not in the fortune 10004:03
Sam-I-Ami work for the largest vmware distributor and can't get my hands on it04:03
urnotl33tand i understand what they are doing. and i understand what VXLAN is trying to do, and we got customers asking us now about virtualizing firewalls, and what to do about Disaster Recovery and things like what VXLAN is trying to solve04:04
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Sam-I-Amso.. openstack it is. the vxlan/vtep integration in the brocade vdx switches seems useful enough.04:04
urnotl33tyeah i see NSX being…. very special.  and yeah, Fortune 50 type of client. i'll never be touchign it apparently.04:04
Sam-I-Amenables stuff like fwaas/vpnaas04:04
urnotl33tand yes, ergo, Openstack04:04
urnotl33tso i wanted to see what all the fuss was about04:05
urnotl33tand if i can get this thing demo'ed/proofed, … i think we can use it for some stellar stuff for just ourselves at $dayjob04:05
Sam-I-Amwell, rackspace uses it.04:05
urnotl33tand yes the masochism is implied all throughout :-D04:05
Sam-I-Amquite a few other startups rolling out "push a button" distros of openstack using puppet/chef or some other automation04:06
urnotl33tbut not doing anything to control the switch in front of/between servers, tho, i presume?04:06
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Sam-I-Amout of the box nothing assumes network hardware capable of virtual networking04:07
Sam-I-Amthere's not much out there04:07
urnotl33topenstack isn't doing anything for switches/routers hardware gear, right? [again, i've been breathing this for 72-ish hours; so i know nothing]04:07
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Sam-I-Amthere's some plugins for neutron to control actual hardware04:07
urnotl33tyep, i figured.  OpenFlow *hardware* is the new snake oil :)04:07
urnotl33tbecause all the vendors are frightened to lose revenue stream04:08
PEPPERONIEurnotl33t: hey man, if I had the choice I'd buy all Arista04:08
urnotl33tand i bet openstack has them spooked04:08
Sam-I-Amthe brocade vdx supports vxlan/vtep and the mlx/cer supports openflow04:08
Sam-I-Ambrocade is very pro-openstack04:08
Sam-I-Ameveryone knows networking on linux is crap04:08
urnotl33tPEPPERONIE: yeah i've seen Arista has/is going to have some very interesting gear shortly04:08
Sam-I-Amso why not offload the networking on to something easy to configure/reliable04:09
urnotl33tSam-I-Am: of course04:09
Sam-I-Amjuniper bought contrail to get into the game04:09
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urnotl33tspecialized ASICs and TCAMs stomp on an general-purpose Intel chip any day of the week04:09
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urnotl33tah yes, i had forgotten about junpier+contrail04:10
Sam-I-Amvyatta has made some pretty big performance gains on x8604:10
Sam-I-Amit should play a big role with iaas... tenants can manage their own virtual routers/firewalls and other components04:11
fifavyatta is not opensource anymore04:11
Sam-I-Amno, it isnt. but thats also why the performance increased.04:11
urnotl33ti had heard vyatta had an interesting firewall/router thing recently; i think it was regarding vxlan, maybe? crap i can't recall the detail.04:11
Sam-I-Ami'm a little torn on that whole thing04:11
fifaby how much ?04:11
Sam-I-Ama... lot.04:11
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Sam-I-Amlike being able to push several 10 gig interfaces04:11
PEPPERONIEurnotl33t: the idea is that we spend more money reconfiguring and dealing with shenanigans than we would on the additional x86 hardware04:12
fifado you use vyatta ??04:12
Sam-I-Amurnotl33t: i suspect most of these NFV deals will talk vxlan04:12
Sam-I-Amfifa: yes04:12
fifabrocade version ??04:12
Sam-I-Amyes04:12
Sam-I-Amand prior releases04:13
fifai am using opensource vyatta04:13
fifabut about to move to vyos04:13
Sam-I-Amurnotl33t: even vmware is investing in openstack04:14
fifai think the brocade version is called 5600 or something04:14
urnotl33tglad to chat with all you folks, but… it's just after midnight, so i gotta scoot. if i stumble upon a workable solution for the br-ex/interface issue, i'll pop in and let you know.04:14
urnotl33tthanks for the the pointers and info, tho!04:14
Sam-I-Amerr... hmm, i should head to bed too04:14
Sam-I-Amtime flies.04:14
Sam-I-Amonly been working on docs for about 15 hours today04:14
fifado you know how much the brocade version cost ?04:15
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Sam-I-Amyes, but its not public04:15
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Sam-I-Amtime for bed...04:16
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fifaanyone here ??04:43
fifaanyone here ??04:45
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fifaanyone here ??04:53
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TSCHAKMachas anyone tried to mirror a centos or ubuntu repository into swift?04:57
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fifaanyone here??06:15
fifaanyone ?????06:15
fifai need help06:15
fifashit06:16
fifai guess i will go to sleep then06:16
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pheadronhey guys is anyone else experiencing devstack not install on ubt12.04lts, but on ubt13.10?07:18
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pheadronhey fieldfirst , lazy_prince07:19
pheadroni know this is not devstack..but i couldnt find anyone other devstack folks.07:20
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coredumpdoes anyone know if the openstack chef cookbooks are updated to use Havana?16:09
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fifahello room16:10
fifai made a change to vxlan.  I followed the config from :http://wiki.stackinsider.org/index.php/Red_Hat_RDO_-_Dual_Node_using_Neutron_VXLAN_-_Havana#Configure_Tenant_Networks_and_Start_a_VM16:10
fifaafter making the change and following the instructions, neutron-openswith-agent dose not start now16:10
fifai get the following error: 2013-04-13 20:23:35.123 14559 ERROR neutron.plugins.openvswitch.agent.ovs_neutron_agent [-] Tunneling cannot be enabled without a valid local_ip. Agent terminated!16:11
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Sam-I-Amunder [ovs] you need a local_ip key that references the local tunnel endpoint16:17
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fifacan it be the ip of the host ??16:19
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fifaSam-I-Am: what would be the exact line ??16:21
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fifai am using Havana: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Obsolete:ConfigureOpenvswitch and according to this its obsolete16:24
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fifathanks Sam-I-Am16:32
fifait worked16:32
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ceegeeHello there16:43
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ceegeewassup there16:47
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