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| atpa8a__ | what's an ephemeral disk?... | 02:56 |
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| Sam-I-Am | a disk that disappears when you delete the instance | 02:56 |
| atpa8a__ | how's that useful?.. | 02:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | temporary place to store stuff? | 02:57 |
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| atpa8a__ | like /tmp?.. | 03:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | or whatever. just dont delete the instance :) | 03:03 |
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| atpa8a__ | some special cases?.. | 03:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | or that | 03:06 |
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| atpa8a__ | don't think i need those... | 03:08 |
| atpa8a__ | is ceilometer integrated with dashboard?.. | 03:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | no | 03:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | or maybe some of it is... | 03:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | ceilometer is kind of... bleh. | 03:10 |
| atpa8a__ | i see | 03:11 |
| atpa8a__ | i did install it and can see meters but not in dashboard | 03:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | most people integrate it with monitoring software | 03:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ceilometer is sort of just a collector | 03:12 |
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| atpa8a__ | i can see that... wasn't the integration better in havana?.. i remember some screens... | 03:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | maybe something needs config? | 03:14 |
| atpa8a__ | i'll take a look some time :) not critical... it doesn't hurt anything, does it? | 03:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | nope | 03:15 |
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| atpa8a__ | so nice tho :) i can easily create instances at will! :) | 03:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | nice that its working | 03:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | now you get to add redundancy :) | 03:16 |
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| atpa8a__ | i so regret that when i got this box i didn't spend a lil more to get one with twin motherboard... | 03:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | mariadb+galera and a load balancer for multiple api endpoints | 03:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | whats the goal of this project? | 03:19 |
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| atpa8a__ | personal work kinds... i used to run a few kvm guests but i create/delete machines a lot so was attracted by openstack's management features | 03:20 |
| atpa8a__ | http://www.supermicro.com/servers/blade/module/SBI-7226T-T2.cfm | 03:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ah, so nothing big or critical | 03:20 |
| atpa8a__ | nah | 03:20 |
| atpa8a__ | i'm a software engineer :) like to play with things | 03:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | this is true | 03:22 |
| atpa8a__ | like the ability to bring a vm up, do things to it and then kill it :P | 03:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | openstack is sort of limitless learning | 03:22 |
| atpa8a__ | that's cool... don't mind learning at all | 03:23 |
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| OutBackDingo | yes its nice, even packstack but needs to be more single nic allinone freindly...... | 03:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | for more fun... containers! | 03:23 |
| sld | Sam-I-Am: lol - containers. ;) | 03:23 |
| OutBackDingo | continers suck, their more like toys | 03:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | sld: they're all the rage | 03:23 |
| sld | hehe | 03:23 |
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| atpa8a__ | what containers?.. linux? | 03:24 |
| sld | yes | 03:24 |
| sld | such as docker, lxc, etc. | 03:24 |
| OutBackDingo | atpa8a__: hell say docker probably | 03:24 |
| OutBackDingo | LOL i was right | 03:24 |
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| Sam-I-Am | lxc or docker. docker is more hipster trendy. | 03:24 |
| OutBackDingo | dockers a fad...... | 03:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | they should have just called it dockster | 03:24 |
| OutBackDingo | i dont see it having longevity in enterprise | 03:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | the concept of containers isnt new and has its purpose | 03:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | its glorified chroot | 03:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | which i used back in the late 90s | 03:25 |
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| sld | chroot | 03:25 |
| sld | ah, the memories ;) | 03:25 |
| atpa8a__ | that's what i was thinking (glorified chroot) | 03:25 |
| OutBackDingo | yupp... and thats about it... but isnt cloud just a glorified mainframe LOL | 03:25 |
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| atpa8a__ | tho i had some success with bsd's variant of the containers... forgot the name :) | 03:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | bind was the first thing i chrooted | 03:26 |
| sld | lol | 03:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | because it would get rooted all the time | 03:26 |
| sld | BSDs rule | 03:26 |
| OutBackDingo | trust me if i could have a openstack single nic server, with opendaylight allinone... id be all over it...... | 03:26 |
| OutBackDingo | sld: YES IT DOES | 03:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | OutBackDingo: you could build an all-in-one | 03:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | not sure about ODL though | 03:27 |
| sld | my preference is open, but most experience with free | 03:27 |
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| OutBackDingo | Sam-I-Am: not with a single nic..... | 03:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | OutBackDingo: yeah you can do it | 03:27 |
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| sld | just use sub-interfaces :) | 03:27 |
| sld | vlan tagging, etc. | 03:27 |
| OutBackDingo | yeah LOL running nova flat networks... ill pass | 03:27 |
| sld | ah | 03:27 |
| OutBackDingo | no VLANS here...... | 03:27 |
| sld | then, yeah, sounds like overkill | 03:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | that or move the IP to br-ex. you get one flat network, but any number of subnets. | 03:28 |
| OutBackDingo | but i do have a beast of a server that would like it....... in my house | 03:28 |
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| OutBackDingo | i dont need high end switches and shite for dev work | 03:28 |
| sld | true | 03:28 |
| OutBackDingo | so it runs XenServer for now | 03:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | you can do packstack on a single nic | 03:28 |
| sld | ah | 03:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | but its default config wont do the heavy lifting | 03:29 |
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| OutBackDingo | Sam-I-Am: again..... only on deadrat or Fedora........ and the single nic is painful...... so many unclear docs on how to get it up | 03:29 |
| OutBackDingo | to me its simple... i want centos, havana, allinone single nic with opendaylight...... end of story | 03:30 |
| OutBackDingo | getting there... = a nightmare | 03:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | move ip from phys nic to br-ex, add phys nic as port to br-ex. done. | 03:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you'll need some sort of other connectivity to it while you move the ip, or script it and hope it comes back | 03:31 |
| OutBackDingo | i have console to the box | 03:31 |
| OutBackDingo | ive tried it many many many times | 03:31 |
| OutBackDingo | always a fail | 03:31 |
| atpa8a__ | i just managed to install all-in-one with neutron... but mine is not single nic | 03:32 |
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| OutBackDingo | atpa8a__: using icehouse on fedora right | 03:33 |
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| atpa8a__ | icehouse on ubuntu | 03:33 |
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| OutBackDingo | atpa8a__: there a guide somewhere you followed? | 03:33 |
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| atpa8a__ | Sam-I-Am helped *a lot* but generally... http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/apt/content/section_neutron-networking.html | 03:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | the real key to AIOs is jiggering the network config around | 03:34 |
| atpa8a__ | the big gotcha was flat for external and gre for tenants | 03:35 |
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| OutBackDingo | yeah... i know.... which is why ive kind of given up...... | 03:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | one of these days i should write the AIO version of the guide | 03:35 |
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| atpa8a__ | but then i made br-bond0.21 and br-bond0.29 and now have two flat networks for external | 03:36 |
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| atpa8a__ | Sam-I-Am, i think juno docs are pretty close :) | 03:36 |
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| Sam-I-Am | atpa8a__: yeah... just need to munge some configs together | 03:37 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thats the easy part | 03:37 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the hard part is writing up all the supporting text | 03:37 |
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| Sam-I-Am | and diagrams... AIOs are not pretty. | 03:37 |
| atpa8a__ | my big gotcha was flat for external... and i followd first controller node setup, then network node, then compute node | 03:37 |
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| OutBackDingo | i even considered launching a vm with openstack inside the xenserver... then realized all my disk was consumed by xenserver and wasnt sure how swift would be able to manage it | 03:38 |
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| OutBackDingo | though then im wasting resources on a vm... :) | 03:39 |
| atpa8a__ | it's doable! i attest! :) very happy now | 03:39 |
| OutBackDingo | and id prefer to use xen then kvm :) | 03:40 |
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| OutBackDingo | atpa8a__: yes though you have 2 nics...... and probably have vlans | 03:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | so use xen | 03:40 |
| atpa8a__ | isn't xen only for desktops now | 03:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | xen is a very popular hypervisor | 03:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | although openstack leans toward kvm | 03:41 |
| OutBackDingo | atpa8a__: LOL xenServer is the most widely used virtualizatrion tech by cloud providers | 03:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | amazon and rackspace use xen | 03:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | not sure about the otherd | 03:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | s | 03:41 |
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| OutBackDingo | xen by far blows vmware away........ i dont even understand how vmware still exists | 03:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | OutBackDingo: vendor lock-in | 03:42 |
| atpa8a__ | OutBackDingo, 2 nics - yes, vlans in my case is... just to have two flat networks :) not using vlan type_driver | 03:42 |
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| OutBackDingo | well kvm is nice i see it as more vurtualization for desktops | 03:42 |
| atpa8a__ | xen was my first hypervisor :) | 03:42 |
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| Sam-I-Am | kvm is pretty good | 03:42 |
| OutBackDingo | and xenserver with xe is just damn simple...... | 03:42 |
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| atpa8a__ | our SAs at work are getting ready to dump xen because they announced they will not support server platforms anymore or something like that... no? | 03:43 |
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| OutBackDingo | atpa8a__: their smoking crack.......... | 03:43 |
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| OutBackDingo | better tell them to go take another look at the website | 03:43 |
| atpa8a__ | nah... they are getting paid to do that :) | 03:44 |
| OutBackDingo | their idiots if they rip xen out for something else | 03:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | openstack even supports esxi :) | 03:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | and possibly hyper-v | 03:44 |
| OutBackDingo | i wount go near vmware......... | 03:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | its not picky | 03:45 |
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| OutBackDingo | overpriced bloated piece of crap | 03:45 |
| sld | i have seen an install wizard for nova-compute on windows. lol | 03:45 |
| atpa8a__ | i switched to kvm because it's easier to install :) | 03:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i consider it more of a migration option | 03:45 |
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| sld | don't remember what hyp software it used as backend, but i think hyper-v. | 03:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | oh you have esxi licenses and want to use them for a while? ok, you can still go to openstack. | 03:45 |
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| sld | yeah. hehe | 03:46 |
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| OutBackDingo | every place ive consumted for that mentioned vmware, i ran away from....... | 03:46 |
| OutBackDingo | ive even turned down IT jobs due to their infrstructure being vmware | 03:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | vmware was good when it was the only game in town | 03:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | they still have a couple of nice featues, but quickly going the way of microsoft. | 03:47 |
| OutBackDingo | it has never been the only game in town.... xen if far older then vmware is | 03:47 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the only game c-level people ever knew about :) | 03:48 |
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| Joufflu | so is there anything out there that can take advantage of my gpu while virtualizing? i.e. Linux host, windows guest? | 03:48 |
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| OutBackDingo | Joufflu: if xen is the hypervisor sure | 03:49 |
| Joufflu | OutBackDingo, I am relatively new to all this so do you have a link where I can read up on this or is a "xen gpu" google search enough? | 03:50 |
| OutBackDingo | not sure if kvm can pass gpus to multiple instances | 03:50 |
| Joufflu | I see Xen PCI passthrough but not PCI-E and then there's xenGT for Intel gpus | 03:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | also not sure if openstack supports it | 03:51 |
| OutBackDingo | http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX135811 | 03:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | at least officially | 03:51 |
| OutBackDingo | xenserver sure does :) | 03:51 |
| Joufflu | but how do we rock n' roll with a linux host that can allow the windows guest to use the gpu | 03:51 |
| Joufflu | OutBackDingo, thanks | 03:51 |
| atpa8a__ | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Pci_passthrough | 03:52 |
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| atpa8a__ | Joufflu, guests just see and use it as a PCI device directly | 03:52 |
| Joufflu | atpa8a__, oh! word. Thanks | 03:53 |
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| OutBackDingo | atpa8a__: is that opnly mappable to one guest though ? | 03:53 |
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| atpa8a__ | OutBackDingo, i think so... haven't implemented this yet (if i ever will) but you pass the device by id | 03:54 |
| atpa8a__ | can xen pass the same device to multiple VMs? | 03:55 |
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| OutBackDingo | i think, but not positive..... check http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_PCI_Passthrough | 03:58 |
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| atpa8a__ | kinda counterintuitive tho... unless you're mining bitcoin or something and you can assign specific gpus to specific vms... and half of your card is mining btc and another half ltc :) but then i'm probably dreaming... even then i don't see why you need to share a pci device for multiple vms | 04:04 |
| OutBackDingo | Sam-I-Am: so wait.... in a allinone... does the second nic need to be plugged into a physical network cable ? | 04:04 |
| OutBackDingo | or can i just use the interface..... | 04:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | you dont even need a second nic | 04:04 |
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| OutBackDingo | jesus there so many "different" guides on how to do this... whats what | 04:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, the official install guide doesnt include an AIO, but you can munge stuff to make it work, a la atpa8a__ | 04:06 |
| OutBackDingo | ive looked at literally all the packstack allinone guides... they all differ when it comes to initial install and configuration | 04:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | packstack is sort of an automated deployment tool | 04:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | you can just configure openstack yourself | 04:07 |
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| OutBackDingo | ive even seen the devstack with opendaylight guide..... | 04:07 |
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| OutBackDingo | yeah, maybe since its "automated" its n ot giving me a total view of a proper network config | 04:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | nope | 04:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you get a magic layer | 04:08 |
| OutBackDingo | so youd suggest manually doing the openstack install step by step | 04:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | deploying with something like packstack the first time is counterproductive because it doesnt teach how openstack actually works | 04:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | and openstack will break | 04:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | yes | 04:08 |
| OutBackDingo | ok... centos or ubuntu ? | 04:09 |
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| jasonsb | expect to spend a few hours | 04:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | i lean toward ubuntu | 04:09 |
| ArminderS | try Mirantis Fuel, thats the best and easy I have seen | 04:09 |
| jasonsb | but you'll know how it works :) | 04:09 |
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| OutBackDingo | ive already waster 50+ hours trying to get this to work | 04:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | only because i have to write more workarounds for RDO packages on rhel/fedora | 04:09 |
| jasonsb | i did ubuntu with the standard ubuntu install guide | 04:09 |
| jasonsb | works fine | 04:09 |
| OutBackDingo | ArminderS: fuel waste resources | 04:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | fuel isnt designed for small deployments | 04:09 |
| ArminderS | waste in what sense? | 04:09 |
| atpa8a__ | ubuntu here as well | 04:10 |
| ArminderS | you can do it without HA | 04:10 |
| OutBackDingo | i need to launch vms....... to run fuel..... | 04:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | none of the 'private cloud' products scale down well | 04:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | adding all that redundancy is overkill for an AIO lol | 04:10 |
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| ArminderS | you can do with 1 controller and rest all nodes will be compute+storage | 04:11 |
| OutBackDingo | ArminderS: this is a single beast of a server in my house........ not a 1000 nodes i can waste resources on | 04:11 |
| ArminderS | i guess 1 separate controller is not an overkill | 04:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | OutBackDingo: a lot of people also do their first openstack deployment on VMs | 04:11 |
| ArminderS | i think it supports AIO too | 04:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | granted it doesnt perform well, but it teaches the concepts on limited hardware | 04:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | create all the vnics you want | 04:12 |
| ArminderS | OutBackDingo: aye go ahead you can do fuel on VMs | 04:12 |
| ArminderS | i have a PoC always on fuel for every new version they throw | 04:12 |
| OutBackDingo | ArminderS: it doesnt make sense to waster 10-15Mb on fuel vms | 04:12 |
| ArminderS | i mean i do PoC on vmwares esxi | 04:12 |
| * OutBackDingo OMG he said VMWare... now i know to run away screaming | 04:13 | |
| ArminderS | OR put ubuntu | 04:13 |
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| ArminderS | and deploy whole stack in minutes using vagrant scripts | 04:13 |
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| OutBackDingo | vagrant is VBOX | 04:13 |
| ArminderS | don't be panicky | 04:13 |
| OutBackDingo | NOpe ill pass | 04:13 |
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| ArminderS | if you want openstack, you ned to be calm and composed | 04:14 |
| ArminderS | and need lots of patience | 04:14 |
| OutBackDingo | i am.... trust me ive done my research | 04:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | we can get you an AIO | 04:14 |
| ArminderS | if you don't have these traits, my baby you are in wrong place | 04:14 |
| ArminderS | devstack gives you an AIO, packstack does too | 04:15 |
| jasonsb | wouldnt a baremetal+ubuntu+devstack be ok? | 04:15 |
| ArminderS | which i guess is already been told to you | 04:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | devstack is ephemeral | 04:15 |
| OutBackDingo | Sam-I-Am: i guess i could spin up a ubuntu and cent vm on my xenserver for openstack trial installs | 04:15 |
| OutBackDingo | devstack sucks in many ways | 04:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | its there for testing code development, not running stuff | 04:15 |
| ArminderS | aye, i agree | 04:15 |
| jasonsb | ephemeral? | 04:15 |
| ArminderS | its more of make and break thing | 04:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | jasonsb: it goes away when you reboot | 04:15 |
| ArminderS | nothing you would wish to stick on | 04:15 |
| OutBackDingo | and uses screen..... | 04:15 |
| OutBackDingo | please kvm and virt manager make a better test bed then devstack for daily driving | 04:16 |
| jasonsb | Sam-I-Am: oh sure ok | 04:16 |
| ArminderS | you can have volumes with devstack too | 04:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | aight, time to locate my bed. | 04:16 |
| ArminderS | and they stick | 04:16 |
| ArminderS | if its just virtualization you need and not openstack, go with kvm+_libvirt thing | 04:17 |
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| OutBackDingo | ArminderS: its more about the management layer openstack provides....... | 04:17 |
| jasonsb | Sam-I-Am: nigthy nigh | 04:17 |
| OutBackDingo | i have xenserver installed now | 04:17 |
| atpa8a__ | ArminderS, i moved from kvm+libvirt to AIO :) | 04:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | seeya. might be back if insomnia hits :) | 04:17 |
| jasonsb | ok, so take a bare metal and put ubuntu | 04:17 |
| atpa8a__ | Sam-I-Am, good night | 04:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | night | 04:17 |
| jasonsb | install openstack from the instal guide | 04:17 |
| OutBackDingo | Sam-I-Am: i hope it does... ill probably need networking insight | 04:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | haha | 04:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | gee, thanks. | 04:18 |
| * Sam-I-Am needs sleep after patching the install guide all day | 04:18 | |
| OutBackDingo | Sam-I-Am: dont worry im in asutralia its 3PM here :) LOL | 04:18 |
| * Sam-I-Am shakes fist at horizon | 04:18 | |
| Sam-I-Am | OutBackDingo: half of my team is in australia | 04:18 |
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| OutBackDingo | jasonsb: which install guide | 04:18 |
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| jasonsb | http://docs.openstack.org/icehouse/install-guide/install/apt/content/ | 04:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ^ i wrote most of that | 04:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | at least the networking stuffs | 04:20 |
| sld | lol | 04:20 |
| sld | must feel awesome being able to say that. hehe :) | 04:20 |
| OutBackDingo | hrmmm though id prefer centos :) as a server | 04:20 |
| atpa8a__ | OutBackDingo, you need to generally follow icehouse neutron guide but check juno docs as to how to define flat external sn gre tenant networks | 04:20 |
| sld | ditto, tbh. | 04:20 |
| OutBackDingo | ubuntu makes a great desktop......... | 04:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | sld: speaking of... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126786/ | 04:20 |
| jasonsb | Sam-I-Am: 10000 kowtows in your general direction sir | 04:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | sld: mind giving it some love? | 04:21 |
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| sld | lol k. | 04:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | horizon needs workarounds every release :/ | 04:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | because every distro packages it differently | 04:21 |
| sld | source is better than packages :) | 04:21 |
| OutBackDingo | so whats due to be released juno ? | 04:21 |
| OutBackDingo | or havana | 04:21 |
| sld | juno is coming out next week. | 04:21 |
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| OutBackDingo | so ill go with juno :) | 04:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | jasonsb: thx | 04:21 |
| sld | and then the cycle starts for kilo :) | 04:22 |
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| OutBackDingo | firing up xenserver | 04:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | OutBackDingo: you can install juno packages for ubuntu here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cloud-archive/+archive/ubuntu/juno-staging | 04:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | not final code yet, but they work | 04:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | then follow the 'trunk' install guide | 04:22 |
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| atpa8a__ | i'm tempted to give juno a spin myself :) | 04:22 |
| OutBackDingo | Sam-I-Am: got the same for centos ? | 04:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, check the rhel/centos version of the trunk guide | 04:23 |
| OutBackDingo | ok | 04:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | the URL for the repo works | 04:23 |
| jasonsb | centos needs updated packages? | 04:23 |
| jasonsb | i thought you had to do RDO stuff to get working packages for centos 6 | 04:23 |
| sld | jasonsb: me too | 04:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | they're rdo packages, and you need the epel repo | 04:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | on rhel/cent. dont need epel on fedora. | 04:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/yum/content/ch_preface.html | 04:24 |
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| OutBackDingo | Sam-I-Am: yeah packstack uses RDO | 04:24 |
| OutBackDingo | ive been down that road..... | 04:25 |
| OutBackDingo | Sam-I-Am: GO TO BED NOW! | 04:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | packstack is a wrapper around the rdo packages | 04:25 |
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| jasonsb | i'm not sure why all the RDO shenanigans | 04:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | and it often fixes some of the junk in the rdo packages | 04:25 |
| jasonsb | just update ip utility to support namespaces | 04:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | which i generally have to write manual workarounds for | 04:25 |
| jasonsb | its not that hard | 04:25 |
| OutBackDingo | boy if i can get juno allinone up with opendaylight im a happy puppy | 04:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm not familiar with ODL | 04:25 |
| sld | Sam-I-Am: still got the bigger files to look through, but so far i wonder if 'controller' in the url should be a replaceable tag. | 04:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | sld: wat? | 04:26 |
| jasonsb | OutBackDingo: i've been meaning to do allinone with ofagent | 04:26 |
| jasonsb | same idea | 04:26 |
| sld | i think the word 'controller' is used throughout the guide, so if that is the case, its all good.. but wasn't sure. | 04:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think its good | 04:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | need to get this pushed through cuz... release. :) | 04:26 |
| sld | hehe yeah. | 04:27 |
| sld | i'll look over the big files here shortly | 04:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | and if you're bored, go test the opensuse instructions :) | 04:27 |
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| sld | and since it already has +3 i'll git it another 2 and approve if all is good. | 04:27 |
| atpa8a__ | hehe | 04:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | i've tested rhel/cent/fedora/ubuntu so far | 04:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | its been a lot of work | 04:27 |
| sld | err give, not git. lol | 04:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | opensuse is next... then maybe debian if i have time. thats going to be a mess. | 04:27 |
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| jasonsb | how is debian? | 04:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | messy | 04:28 |
| atpa8a__ | are there debian cloud images? | 04:28 |
| OutBackDingo | too bad, debian 7 is nice | 04:28 |
| jasonsb | icehouse or juno? | 04:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | it uses debconf which means screen shots :/ | 04:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | and sometimes you dont really know what all it configures | 04:28 |
| atpa8a__ | ugh... | 04:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's all of 1 package maintainer for it | 04:28 |
| jasonsb | who is it? | 04:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | this is why i recommend ubuntu if someone wants deb-style | 04:29 |
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| jasonsb | its likely i'm going to be doing lots of wheezy soon | 04:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | tom goirand | 04:29 |
| OutBackDingo | Sam-I-Am: will this work for CentOS 7 ? | 04:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | OutBackDingo: the juno does are tested on rhel/centos 7 | 04:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | docs | 04:30 |
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| OutBackDingo | whooohoooo | 04:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | i just installed using them today | 04:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | until horizon... that patch is waiting | 04:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | but all the core stuff should work | 04:31 |
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| jasonsb | cloud init is working? | 04:31 |
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| OutBackDingo | Sam-I-Am: then im going to try to integrate freeIPA :) | 04:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | should be. when in doubt check suse studio. | 04:31 |
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| ntt | Hi, someone can help me to understand what happens when i click on "shut off" button in the dashboard? Instance will be killed or correctly powered off? How can i gracefully stop (not terminate) an instance? | 06:36 |
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| ntt | Where can i find this informations in the documentation? | 06:37 |
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| jasonsb | ntt: i use the cli so i'm guessing | 06:44 |
| jasonsb | ntt: that shut off is stop | 06:44 |
| fifieldt | ntt, this behaviour is changed in the Juno release - see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89650/12/specs/juno/user-defined-shutdown.rst | 06:44 |
| jasonsb | ntt: you should be able to start it again | 06:45 |
| jasonsb | you can also suspend (at least in cli) | 06:45 |
| jasonsb | and resume | 06:45 |
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| fifieldt | 19 | 06:45 |
| fifieldt | Currently in libvirt operations which power off the VM (stop, rescue, shelve,20 | 06:45 |
| fifieldt | resize) do so without giving the GuestOS a chance to shutdown gracefully. | 06:45 |
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| fifieldt | so in releases prior to icehouse, when using eg kvm, the only way to "gracefully" shutdown a VM is to do so from inside the VM | 06:46 |
| fifieldt | and/or patch the changes they made in juno | 06:46 |
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| ntt | jasonsb: so, if i want gracefully shutdown an instance, i have to "sudo poweroff" from the bash? | 06:51 |
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| jasonsb | i think so | 06:52 |
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| ntt | I ask this because i shut off an instance with the button in the dashboard, but when i restart it i see some vda corruption in dmesg.... so i thinked that i don't correctly shut off | 06:54 |
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| jasonsb | oh | 06:54 |
| jasonsb | did it boot? | 06:54 |
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| jasonsb | i once had to mount the image file directly and fix stuff | 06:55 |
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| ntt | yes, but here is log -> http://pastebin.com/pchbN1uX | 06:57 |
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| jasonsb | ah, you are quite right | 07:01 |
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| fifieldt | ntt, yes - see above. this is fixed in Juno, but sadly for earlier releases it will still be bad | 07:02 |
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| fifieldt | are you running vanilla openstack, or do you have patches? | 07:02 |
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| fifieldt | if you are familiar with patching OpenStack, I believe this is a relatively straightforward patch | 07:03 |
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| fifieldt | the relevent patches can be found here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/user-defined-shutdown | 07:03 |
| fifieldt | in the list at the bottom | 07:04 |
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| ntt | fifieldt: i'm using havana release and i'm planning to upgrade to icehouse. Now i cannot patch.... But if i "sudo poweroff" an instance, the database will be updated with the new state of the vm? | 07:04 |
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| fifieldt | it's a good question | 07:05 |
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| fifieldt | unfortunately I'm not sure - I would need to try a test in a devstack | 07:05 |
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| jasonsb | i did a test in devstack | 07:11 |
| jasonsb | it shows shutoff as status | 07:11 |
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| jasonsb | ymmv perhaps because my devstack isn't icehouse | 07:12 |
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| Madkiss | are we going to see any progress on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118310/ anytime soon? | 08:33 |
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| snowgust | Good morning. Has anyone ever had trouble evacuating instances from a dead physical node? I see that some instances rebuild from the original image even though I specify --on-shared-storage while evacuating them | 10:23 |
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| r1chyt | Hello, I was wondering if optional parameters were supported in hot templates? Im trying to support ipv4 and ipv6 in a template meaning that sometimes there will be an extra subnet (ipv6) that I have to pass in. For the times when its only ipv4 how do I stop errors about ipv6 subnet parameters not being provided? | 13:05 |
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| biggertuna | Hi Everyone - was hoping for a little help. I'm using RHEL OSP and trying to configure it to use Jumpgate for SoftLayer. Is there a way to have horizon use a different keystone identity service? I tried using multiple regions by configuring the local_settings file, but that caused the login screen to fail... | 14:20 |
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| mallock | Hello | 14:40 |
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| mallock | I am kind of new to openstack and still trying to solve the tutorial quest from the openstack website | 14:41 |
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| mallock | for debian 7 installation. | 14:41 |
| mallock | I think I am stuck at the endboss. | 14:41 |
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| Egoist_ | Hello | 14:42 |
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| mallock | I try to boot my image as described in the tutorial | 14:42 |
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| Egoist_ | larsks: Hi, are you there? | 14:42 |
| larsks | I am! | 14:42 |
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| mallock | But I get a error about EXT4-fs (nbd2): VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem in syslog | 14:42 |
| Egoist_ | larsks: how are you? :) | 14:42 |
| Egoist_ | larsks: could you help me with one thing | 14:42 |
| larsks | Doin' fine. What's up? | 14:42 |
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| Egoist_ | larsks: it's about glanceclient python api | 14:43 |
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| Egoist_ | larsks: i want to search images which is only public | 14:43 |
| Egoist_ | larsks: is it possible to do it using glance.images.list(is_public=True) ? | 14:43 |
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| mallock | so either the cirros os does not have ext4 or nbd does not support another filesystem then ext4. | 14:44 |
| larsks | Egoist_: I'm not sure; I've never tried. What happens when you do that? | 14:44 |
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| Egoist_ | larsks: that's the problem because when i try this, i've got every image public and no public :/ | 14:45 |
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| larsks | I guess the first thing to do is see if the REST API supports that. The glance api is documented at http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-image-v2.html | 14:46 |
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| larsks | It looks like it takes a "visibility" option; let's try that with 'curl' and see if it returns different results... | 14:47 |
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| larsks | The visibility parameter seems to do the right thing. Have you tried it? | 14:49 |
| Egoist_ | larsks: Yes, and it work i think :) | 14:50 |
| Egoist_ | need to test it in my code | 14:50 |
| larsks | Yay. | 14:50 |
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| Egoist_ | larsks: No :( it's not working. It still listing all images even no public | 14:53 |
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| larsks | Okay, let me take a quick look here. Just a sec. | 14:54 |
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| jasonsb | mallock: what operation were you doing when you got the error? | 14:54 |
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| DHE | with Neutron networking is it possible to have a port with no associated IP? (I want security policy enforcing IP address allocations removed situationally) | 14:56 |
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| mallock | jasonsb: situation has changed. a bit. | 14:56 |
| larsks | Egoist_: Look at the code in glanceclient/v2/images.py: https://github.com/openstack/python-glanceclient/blob/master/glanceclient/v2/images.py#L39 | 14:56 |
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| mallock | jasonsb: there was a typo in my [ovs] section -> tunnel_tpe = gre | 14:57 |
| larsks | Egoist_: In line 74, it looks at the "filters" keyword argument: https://github.com/openstack/python-glanceclient/blob/master/glanceclient/v2/images.py#L39 | 14:57 |
| larsks | sorry: https://github.com/openstack/python-glanceclient/blob/master/glanceclient/v2/images.py#L74 | 14:57 |
| mallock | jasonsb: now i do not get any messages | 14:57 |
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| mallock | jasonsb: but my instance is still in ERROR state | 14:57 |
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| larsks | Egoist_: So, if you want to pass "visibility=private" to the API, you would need: | 14:57 |
| larsks | images.list(filters={'visibility': 'private'}) | 14:57 |
| larsks | That works on my system. | 14:57 |
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| mallock | jasonsb: my operation was 'nova boot ...' | 14:58 |
| jasonsb | mallock: hmm. nova show has any helpful msgs? | 14:58 |
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| mallock | jasonsb: actually no | 14:59 |
| mallock | jasonsb: maybe: 'no valid host was found' | 15:00 |
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| jasonsb | nova hypervisor-list | 15:00 |
| jasonsb | as admin | 15:00 |
| jasonsb | does it print out at least 1? | 15:00 |
| mallock | jasonsb: yes | 15:01 |
| mallock | jasonsb: it shows the hostname of my compute node. | 15:01 |
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| jasonsb | hmm | 15:01 |
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| mallock | jasonsb: maybe this | 15:02 |
| mallock | | fault | {"message": "No valid host was found. ", "code": 500, "created": "2014-10-09T14:55:24Z" | 15:02 |
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| mallock | jasonb: in output of nova show | 15:02 |
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| mallock | jasonb: ok, after my reboot I got my initial error back: EXT4-fs (nbd14): VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem | 15:05 |
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| mallock | in syslog. | 15:05 |
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| mallock | also I do modprob nbd | 15:05 |
| Egoist_ | larsks: ok, check it now | 15:06 |
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| Egoist_ | larsks: yesm it's working ! :) | 15:16 |
| Egoist_ | larsks: thank you very mutch :) | 15:16 |
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| Egoist_ | larsks: btw. do you know something about cirros image? because i have problem with dhcp | 15:19 |
| Egoist_ | larsks: or maybe do you know someone who wil lbe know about cirros? | 15:20 |
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| larsks | Egoist_: I am familiar with the cirros image, but more often than a dhcp problem suggests a problem with your openstack config rather than with the image. | 15:21 |
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| Egoist_ | larsks: i'm using neutron. Have, network with dhcp configured, and when i spawn vm with cirros, this cirros don't have configured network interfaces | 15:23 |
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| larsks | Egoist_: That sounds like a neutron configuration issue. I don't have time to help diagnose right now, but a first step is usually taking tcpdump and applying it to various points in the communication path and figuring out where messages are getting dropped. | 15:30 |
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| Egoist_ | larsks: Ok, i try to fix it | 15:31 |
| Egoist_ | larsks: thanks for your help :) | 15:31 |
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| nickchase | quick question: do the old L2 agents (say, the OVS agent) work with the ML2 version (say, the OVS ML2 Mechanismdriver)? | 15:57 |
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| atpa8a__ | hmm | 16:03 |
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| Murali_ | anybody know how to increase the storage limit for /dev/loop0 6.0G 258M 5.8G 5% /opt/stack/data/swift/drives/sdb1 (devstack) | 16:05 |
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| Murali_ | by default it is creating 6GB only | 16:05 |
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| Murali_ | pls help | 16:05 |
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| atpa8a__ | so when i created an instance on a volume... do i just modify it as "normal", e.g. /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts, whatnot... or there's special openstack way?.. | 16:06 |
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| atpa8a__ | Murali_, i saw it... check in stack.sh or stackrc or one of those files | 16:07 |
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| Murali_ | ok | 16:08 |
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| Murali_ | atpa8a__: i checked those file but im not sure | 16:11 |
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| Murali_ | atpa8a__ : do you where to modify exactly | 16:11 |
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| Murali_ | atpa8a__ : i m confused here | 16:11 |
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| atpa8a__ | hmm | 16:13 |
| atpa8a__ | sorry, don't have devstack anymore | 16:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | mornings | 16:14 |
| atpa8a__ | hello hello | 16:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | another day | 16:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | hows life? | 16:15 |
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| atpa8a__ | little by little | 16:15 |
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| atpa8a__ | yourself? | 16:15 |
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| atpa8a__ | is there a good way to modify instance's hostname?.. | 16:17 |
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| atpa8a__ | or is it just the normal... edit /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname, etc.? | 16:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | atpa8a__: edit /etc/hostname ? | 16:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | once its booted thats usually it | 16:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | you could do it in metadata too | 16:17 |
| atpa8a__ | in dhcp like?.. | 16:18 |
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| atpa8a__ | hmm... hostname is derived from instance name... basically, i want to add an entry for the instance to dns | 16:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you could set the hostname via dhcp | 16:23 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm not aware of any openstack way to add a host to dns too, but some dhcp services can update dns using dynamic updates | 16:24 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i know isc does, but not sure about dnsmasq | 16:24 |
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| atpa8a__ | gotta learn dnsmasq... | 16:26 |
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| atpa8a__ | Sam-I-Am, #cloud-config is what you mean by "do it in metadata"? | 16:27 |
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| jasonsb | Sam-I-Am: I thought there is a dns entry for running machines | 16:31 |
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| jasonsb | Sam-I-Am: IE: if you run host <ip addr> it shows something | 16:32 |
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| atpa8a__ | jasonsb, if you run that on a compute node?.. | 16:32 |
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| jasonsb | atpa8a__: yes | 16:32 |
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| jasonsb | atpa8a__: i don't think its externally visible though | 16:33 |
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| atpa8a__ | more reading :) how to customize instances... | 16:34 |
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| jasonsb | mallock: i'm sorry i don't know. maybe sam i am acn help? | 16:41 |
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| mallock | jasonsb: not a problem, thank you anyway. | 16:44 |
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| mallock | jasonsb: I will find it out sooner or later. | 16:44 |
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| mallock | ;-) | 16:44 |
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| mtl1 | Hi, I think I'm in a bit of a catch 22 with an instance and a volume I'm trying to delete. The instance is in an error state, and I can't boot it. The volume is attached to the instance and I can't detach it. This means I can't delete the instance because the volume is attached, and I can't delete the volume because it's attached to the instance. Any thoughts on how I can clean that up? | 16:46 |
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| _Joshua__ | hi guys. have you guys heard of any problem with drbd within the VMs using icehouse? | 16:59 |
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| sirdopes | is there a way to set a bandwidth quota for a specific instance or adjust it outside of a flavor? | 17:29 |
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| Putns | perhaps you can try something with alarms, sirdopes ? | 17:31 |
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| sirdopes | i was more wondering about adjusting the average bandwidth using the api, but since it is set in the xml, i dont think it would work to adjust it while the instance is running | 17:36 |
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| atpa8a__ | so... #cloud-config goes into Post-Creation?.. | 18:31 |
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| championofcyrodi | hey guys, cinder-api is throwing exceptions in my icehouse environment with timeouts waiting for rabbitmq messages, and failures to both consume and publish messages. This seems to be an error with rabbitmq no? | 19:00 |
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| championofcyrodi | it doesnt happen constantly, but it seems like 4/10 volumes fail to get created in time, causing the instances to fail to start properly. | 19:00 |
| championofcyrodi | err.. 2/5 rather. | 19:00 |
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| atpa8a__ | beautiful! :P | 19:06 |
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| DHE | championofcyrodi: might check that NTP is synchronized properly on all hosts involved | 19:08 |
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| championofcyrodi | DHE, thank you. I remember ntp being an issue with zookeeper+kafka messaging, but wasnt sure if that was the issue. or not. | 19:09 |
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| championofcyrodi | DHE: so i just compared the times on my fuel server where cinder services are running, as well as the 3 controllers and 3 compute nodes. All have the exact same time (down to the second) and are all running ntp and resolve 'ntptime' correct. | 19:21 |
| championofcyrodi | running ntpd* | 19:22 |
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| championofcyrodi | okay, it looks like its only 1 node reporting broken pipe... let me double check that node | 19:23 |
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| championofcyrodi | NTP is correct, chkconfig shows rabbitmq-server set to 0-6: off, but rabbitmq-server-murano set to 2-5: on with 0,1,6 off... | 19:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | DHE: you can disable security groups entirely to disable mac/ip filtering, but its a global config item. | 19:26 |
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| DHE | Sam-I-Am: yes. I was hoping to have something in the middle... like a security group that literally does nothing, not even IP or MAC enforcement | 19:27 |
| DHE | so I'm stuck with turning it completely off? | 19:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yup | 19:28 |
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| DHE | damn | 19:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | at least you can see if it does what you want | 19:28 |
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| championofcyrodi | okay, so looks like i got my controller back in sync, now trying to delete this volume which does not have an instance... | 20:22 |
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| patcable | i'm trying to get 'nova get-vnc-console' to return a different value for the URL. currently it's returning http://ipaddr:6080/... instead of https://fqdn:6080, even though novncproxy_base_url shows https://fqdn:6080 | 20:30 |
| patcable | am I missing something? i've restarted all the appropriate services | 20:31 |
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| patcable | this is icehouse on centos6.5 | 20:31 |
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| ccrownhart | Howdy. Looking for some help looking up nova instances by fixed_ip. | 20:33 |
| ccrownhart | Trying with the cli with: nova --debug --insecure list --ip 71.19.15.9 --all_tenants | 20:33 |
| ccrownhart | But get an empty list back | 20:33 |
| ccrownhart | I'm using a project that has Nova System Admin role. | 20:34 |
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| ccrownhart | Sorry, make that 'Compute System Admin' role | 20:35 |
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| championofcyrodi | patcable, what 'console-type' are you passing in to the 'get-vnc-console' sub-command? | 20:36 |
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| patcable | championofcyrodi: novnc | 20:36 |
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| sduchesneau | Anybody ever worked with neutron metadata service without using namespaces ^ | 20:37 |
| sduchesneau | ? | 20:37 |
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| championofcyrodi | patcable, it looks like that response is coming from the mysqldb... let me see if the protocol is appended by the nova script, or if the protocol is being stored in the db | 20:39 |
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| championofcyrodi | patcable, it's not stored in the db... so it may be the nova script just appending the 'http' protocol. | 20:42 |
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| championofcyrodi | pathcable, not the best fix... but something like: | 20:48 |
| championofcyrodi | echo $(nova get-vnc-console <uid> novnc) | grep -o 'http://.*\s' | sed 's/http/https/g' | 20:48 |
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| ccrownhart | How do I determine what roles are required for a particular API or API sub command? | 20:50 |
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| _2_chopis | hi | 21:00 |
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| patcable | championofcyrodi: sigh... thats a bummer. Okay, thanks | 21:05 |
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| _1_latosha | hi | 21:07 |
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| _joel | if I enable cinder storage which is presented via nfs, does the volume get mounted on every compute node or just where the cinder service lives? | 21:16 |
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| atpa8a__ | hmm | 21:16 |
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| atpa8a__ | if i'm running an instance from a volume... can i just delete it and recreate from the same volume but with different flavor?.. | 21:17 |
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| larsks | atpa8a__: should work. | 21:19 |
| atpa8a__ | cool | 21:19 |
| atpa8a__ | thanks | 21:19 |
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| atpa8a__ | heh | 21:33 |
| atpa8a__ | then there's nova resize :) | 21:33 |
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| atpa8a__ | so disk size in flavor is minimum for the instance? | 22:09 |
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| atpa8a | not bad... | 22:41 |
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| atpa8a | nice | 23:10 |
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| atpa8a | better?.. | 23:25 |
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| Fetch | any jenkins-job-builder devs on tonight? I'm getting a crazy problem with updates not going through, and I'm at a loss | 23:32 |
| cohn | anyone here using the Juniper plugin for neutron? | 23:32 |
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