Friday, 2014-10-31

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Xer0_Has anyone been able to launch an instance (boot from volume) via the API?00:00
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MentalRayCrazy is my middle name :p00:00
MentalRayMental "Crazy" Ray00:01
MentalRayfits like a glove00:01
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Sam-I-Amyou have to be crazy to openstack, bordering on insane to neutron00:02
Sam-I-Amnetworking is hard00:02
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gaudXer0_I , from the command line at least  : --block-device source=image,id=ce62ada9-52a0-4f61-8859-5f588a05cb68,dest=volume,size=100,shutdown=preserve,bootindex=000:02
Xer0_gaud: yeah, that works as expected, but there's no documentation on doing it via the API00:02
Xer0_although the functionality must exist00:02
Sam-I-AmX123: in case you're wondering, l3ha has some scary problems too00:02
X123i don't even want to go there yet :)00:03
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Sam-I-AmX123: something along the lines of "we could have used this well-tested code, but instead wrote our own thing that has a race condition / locking problem"00:03
X123basic functionality first haha00:03
Sam-I-Amso that went out the window00:03
gaudrace condition seem like a common trend,  I see a lot of bug report about that..00:03
Sam-I-Amback to a cron job to reschedule l3 agents00:04
Sam-I-Amgrotesque, but works.00:04
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X123good old cron00:04
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Sam-I-AmX123: a la this thing: http://tinyurl.com/kqjekad00:07
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Sam-I-Amhmm, i guess i was trying to install swift...00:09
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ev1lkryanyone know how to list all regions?00:10
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X123ha00:11
X123it seems very bad at synchronizing things00:11
X123i noticed that in icehouse too00:11
notmynameSam-I-Am: installing swift, you say?00:11
X123if i removed an iptables rule, it would never put it back00:12
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X123until the vm was recreated00:12
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Sam-I-Amnotmyname: the genie appeared!00:12
X123if i shut down an interface and brought it back up it wouldn't work until we restarted everything00:12
Sam-I-Amnotmyname: yes, trying to test the installation guide. hoping it works with 3 nodes/disks :)00:12
X123there's no type of 'hey let's make sure the networking stuff on the compute node matches our database'00:12
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X123and that scares me00:12
notmynameSam-I-Am: cool. /me hopes the install guide is correct00:12
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Sam-I-Amme too. swift definitely has a different feel to its configuration.00:13
Sam-I-Amcompared to the other services...00:13
Sam-I-Amthat and the packages seem to leave out config directories/files00:13
notmynameSam-I-Am: "configuration" as in actual config files or just in what's configurable and the design00:13
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notmynameSam-I-Am: hmm..leaving out sample config files isn't good. they're in the code repo. https://github.com/openstack/swift/tree/master/etc00:15
Sam-I-Amnotmyname: things you might find in /etc/swift like a stock/example proxy-server.conf00:15
Sam-I-Amyeah, i saw them there00:15
Sam-I-Ambut they're not in the package00:15
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notmynameSam-I-Am: that's too bad00:15
Sam-I-Ampretty much get to mkdir /etc/swift and /var/swift00:15
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Sam-I-Ami havent had a lot of time to focus on swift (well, none really), but now that i'm working on it, i might submit some bugs to the packaging folks to make it better00:16
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notmynameSam-I-Am: awesome! thanks00:16
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Sam-I-Amwhen i first looked at the swift chapter (i mainly focus on the keystone-glance-nova-neutron services), i was like "why are we manually doing all of this?" and now i know why.00:16
Sam-I-Amwish i had gotten to it earlier... but... somanyservices.00:17
Sam-I-Amand for some reason neutron consumes a lot of time00:17
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Sam-I-Amalso noticed the auto-genned config reference for swift isnt as nice as your developer docs00:17
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darkinvaderWhich process is rewriting /etc/libvirt/qemu/*.xml ? In icehouse this line "<source bridge='br-int'/>" changed to some "<source bridge='qbrfed44775-91'/>"00:59
darkinvaderthat makse migration so off00:59
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erick0zHi, im getting this error "The request you have made requires authentication. (HTTP 401)" when verifying keystone service, any clues?? Im following the Debian Installation guide chapter 4.01:02
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Sam-I-Americk0z: so, something like "keystone user-list" ?01:03
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mfinkm/whois adjohn01:04
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erick0zYes, actually : keystone --os-tenant-name admin --os-username admin --os-password ADMIN_PASS \01:04
erick0z  --os-auth-url http://controller:35357/v2.0 token-get01:04
erick0zwell, with my own names and password01:05
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Sam-I-Amhmm, i wonder if the admin user didnt get created01:05
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erick0zi've checked the database(mysql) and its empty01:06
Sam-I-Amlovely01:06
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Sam-I-Amdid debconfig ask you any questions when you installed the keystone package?01:06
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erick0zno, i did manually with dpkg-reconfigure01:07
Sam-I-Amno errors?01:07
erick0zno01:07
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erick0zit creates the db and users01:07
Sam-I-Amits supposed to01:07
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Sam-I-Amis this juno?01:07
erick0zyes01:08
Sam-I-Amthe debian packages are managed by all of one guy01:08
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Sam-I-Amso... if you like debian-style distros, i would highly recommend trying this on ubuntu01:08
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Sam-I-Amthe debian part of the install guide (also maintained by that one guy) didnt receive many updates for juno, so i have no idea if it actually works. most of the time it doesn't.01:09
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erick0z>.<01:10
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erick0zgood to know01:10
erick0zTy Sam-I-Am!01:10
Sam-I-Amalternatively, you can probably install the debian packages without debconf/dpkg-reconfigure and then use the ubuntu install guide for the service configuration01:10
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Sam-I-Ambut i can tell you the ubuntu guide will work01:11
Sam-I-Amwith ubuntu packages, that is01:11
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Sam-I-Ami updated it for juno and have tested it many times01:11
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Sam-I-Ammeh01:23
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summitI have problem in cosbensh usage with swift after  more than 3 times04:15
decciDo we have open stack on VRTX04:15
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decciDell VRTX has everything network, storage and processing in one box04:15
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decciThat look perfect for open stack04:16
decciDo redhat or Dell offer it04:16
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kakaouettewoaa!! free bitcoins here to http://cryptosrevolution.wix.com/beta05:43
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kakaouettewoaa!! free bitcoins here to http://cryptosrevolution.wix.com/beta05:46
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dujunhi all06:15
dujunkeystone token-get06:15
dujunget error message:06:16
dujunAuthorization Failed: An unexpected error prevented the server from fulfilling your request: No module named backends.sql (Disable debug mode to suppress these details.) (HTTP 500)06:16
dujunHas anyone ever seen it?06:16
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erick0zHi again! Does the network node has 3 physical interfaces? im a bit confused about that.06:43
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[Leeloo]On a centos 6.7 (openstack-packstack icehouse, nova network), after my last upate, I can no more stop/reboot the intances. Nova compute.log gives me "NovaException: Failed to add interface: can't add lo to bridge br100: Invalid argument". thanks for any help :)07:41
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D20KHi~ Is there anybody help network configuration on network node?09:06
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D20Kmy question is in https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/52344/network-configuration-on-network-node/09:07
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boichevDo I really need to set libvirt_cpu_mode and libvirt_cpu_model in order to make Live migrations between different cpu types ?09:47
boichevBecause I get "InvalidCPUInfo: Unacceptable CPU info: CPU doesn't have compatibility." When trying to live migrate from host with Xeon(R) CPU E5-2630 v2 to host with Xeon(R) CPU E5-2670.... The other way around works with no problem and the normal migrate works both ways09:47
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[Leeloo]for my problem : "On a centos 6.7 (openstack-packstack icehouse, nova network), after my last upate, I can no more stop/reboot the intances. Nova compute.log gives me "NovaException: Failed to add interface: can't add lo to bridge br100: Invalid argument"." I find the solution10:07
[Leeloo]https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/137659610:07
[Leeloo]:)10:07
[Leeloo]then I state-reset my VM and restart them10:07
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txomon|fonhi, which is the minimum production cluster size recommended?11:11
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txomon|fonI have seen different numbers, but I have been told that 30 is a good number11:15
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epheoIt just depends of your needs11:16
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georgem2is it possible to set the over commit ratio per compute node? I'm interested to have a maybe a global ratio of 1.0 but for same compute nodes to be higher, then create aggregates and set keys for small flavors that can only be scheduled on these aggregates hosts, the way it's explained here: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/config-reference/content/host-aggregates.html13:39
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MentalRayHi guys14:22
MentalRayWe are available a weird problem with DVR14:22
MentalRayHas anyone experience with DVR yet?14:23
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MentalRayhttps://ask.openstack.org/en/question/52312/floating-ip-problem-under-juno-dvr/14:23
MentalRaywe took the time to describe our issue here14:23
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Sam-I-Amhowdy again14:25
MentalRayHey :)14:25
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Sam-I-Amwere you guys using centos 7?14:25
MentalRaycorrect14:26
Sam-I-Ammy network node kernel oops'd last night... something with arping :/14:26
MentalRayYou tested yesterday?14:26
Sam-I-Ami was looking through my centos box to see what i'd need to do when i noticed it14:26
Sam-I-Amthis is even pre-dvr14:26
Sam-I-Amwhich ... bleh.14:26
MentalRayOk ok14:27
Sam-I-Amright now i'm troubleshooting swift14:27
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MentalRayWe were thinking of doing a lab in ubuntu14:28
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MentalRaybrb14:28
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MentalRayback :)14:31
MentalRaybut the major issue we saw14:31
MentalRayis really that its adding the FIPs in all namespace on all CN14:31
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MentalRaywe think its not normal behaviour  but we never know14:32
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Sam-I-Amprobably not something that the ubuntu packages would fix (my guess) ... but you might see other improvements14:33
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MentalRayprobably but we want to test ubuntu in general so if it helps with other issues as well14:42
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MentalRayI think my timing is bad regarding this issue14:43
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MentalRaywith all the people leaving for Paris14:43
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gaudMentalRay: all the dev will be extra motivated when they come back :)14:44
Sam-I-Amheh14:44
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Sam-I-Amit will be a quiet week14:44
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MentalRaythey gonna be a vacation after all the wine and croissant14:45
MentalRayneed*14:45
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Sam-I-Amhopefully dont need to get any problems resolved next week14:58
Sam-I-Amright now swift is my problem14:59
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Sam-I-Amerror messages arent particularly revealing14:59
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MentalRayBig problems you are having with Swift?15:20
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Sam-I-Amdoesnt work15:22
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Sam-I-Amand swift is not exactly in my wheelhouse of familiar services15:22
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bdonnahue1hello. is it possible to get some redundancy in the admin nodes for open stack?15:30
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Sam-I-Amload balancer15:32
Sam-I-Amits just http15:32
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bdonnahue1Sam-I-Am: isnt there a back end like a db that manages all the configs?15:38
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notmynameSam-I-Am: what's up?15:39
Sam-I-Amyeah, you can use any db replication for that15:39
Sam-I-Amlike galera15:39
Sam-I-Amnotmyname: just sent you an e-mail15:39
notmynameSam-I-Am: heh, ok. I just sat down at my computer this morning.15:40
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MentalRayGalera, MySQL Cluster, Replication etc15:40
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Sam-I-Amnotmyname: i figured you might be summit-enroute15:40
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notmynameSam-I-Am: tomorrow. still prepping today15:40
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Sam-I-Ammost of my coworkers are beginning their journeys, so its kind of quiet15:41
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Sam-I-Ami had one of the swift guys look at this and drew a blank15:41
Sam-I-Ami wont be at the summit15:41
notmynameSam-I-Am: want to work through it now?15:41
Sam-I-Amsure, if you have time15:41
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Sam-I-Amprobably a stupid mistake :)15:42
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notmynameSam-I-Am: are you using tempauth or keystone?15:43
Sam-I-Amkeystone15:43
Sam-I-Amthere's a regular openstack installation behind this15:43
notmynameok. that makes it harder15:43
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notmynameSam-I-Am: pedant point: "openstack" includes swift ;-)15:43
Sam-I-Amlol15:44
notmynameSam-I-Am: let's step through it and see where the problem lies15:44
Sam-I-Amit has a different feel to it... at least in the config files15:44
notmynameSam-I-Am: first get a token from keystone. I'll leave that up to you. I don't know how to do that with curl15:44
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Sam-I-Amshould we use tempauth to eliminate keystone for now?15:45
Sam-I-Amkeystone seems to work... at least it doesn't gripe when the swift client asks for a token15:45
notmynameSam-I-Am: once you have the token, it really doesn't matter15:45
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notmynameSam-I-Am: what I want to do with you is step through some curl requests so we know where the problem is15:46
notmynameSam-I-Am: I have a guess already, but since you also help out a lot of people in here, I want to make sure you know the why ;-)15:46
Sam-I-Amok15:46
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Sam-I-Amespecially if it winds up being an oversight in the install guide15:47
Sam-I-Amor something we should otherwise mention15:47
notmynameSam-I-Am: grab a token and put it in $TOKEN15:47
notmynameya15:47
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notmynameand get the storage URL and put it in $SURL15:47
notmynamelet me know when you have those15:47
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notmynamethat way you can just copy/paste my curl commands15:48
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Sam-I-Amok, one sec15:49
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Sam-I-Amgot a token15:52
notmynameok15:52
Sam-I-Amat least i think i did heh... not a curl person either15:53
notmynameso now, run `curl -i -H "X-Auth-Token: $TOKEN" $SURL`15:53
notmynameand what do you get?15:53
notmynamethat's a GET request, and it will show you the response headers15:53
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notmynameSam-I-Am: ?15:55
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Sam-I-Amnotmyname: lost my net connection15:57
notmynameSam-I-Am: oh fun15:57
Sam-I-Amanyway, it gave a 204 no content15:57
notmynameSam-I-Am: ok, that's good15:57
Sam-I-Amdo you want the full header?15:57
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notmynameSam-I-Am: no, a 204 is good enough15:58
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notmynameSam-I-Am: ok, one more thing first, for fun15:58
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notmynameSam-I-Am: what's your $SURL?15:58
Sam-I-Amttp://hst-os1ctl1:8080/v1/AUTH_76b3fd9c6e5e48e3a4f6a73a3b895b0015:59
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Sam-I-Ami got the auth part from swift stat15:59
notmynameya15:59
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notmynameSam-I-Am: ok, run `curl -i http://hst-os1ctl1:8080/v1/info`15:59
notmynameSam-I-Am: and you can pipe that through python -m json.tool to get it nicely formatted16:00
notmynameSam-I-Am: that should give you a json blob describing enabled features and constraints on the cluster16:00
notmynameSam-I-Am: everything good there?16:00
Sam-I-Amnotmyname: does that need a token?16:00
notmynameSam-I-Am: nope16:01
notmynameoh16:01
notmynamemy mistake.16:01
notmynametake out the "v1"16:01
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notmynameSam-I-Am: eg from cloud files: https://gist.github.com/notmyname/b9d3c5ef12ef7ea7aaed16:02
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notmynameSam-I-Am: make sense?16:03
Sam-I-Amsays it couldnt find any json to decode16:03
notmynamethat's because of the -i16:03
notmynamethe headers mess it up16:03
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notmynametake out the -i (see my example paste)16:03
Sam-I-Amoh right, duh16:03
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Sam-I-Amhttp://pastebin.com/1FDLjv4U16:04
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notmynameSam-I-Am: great. and actually that shows that my first guess on your problem is wrong ;-)16:04
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notmynameSam-I-Am: ok, now let's create a container and put something in it16:06
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notmynameSam-I-Am: `curl -i -H "X-Auth-Token: $TOKEN" $SURL/test_container -XPUT`16:06
notmynameSam-I-Am: that's a PUT request to the cntainer "test_container" and will show the response headers on the output16:07
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Sam-I-Amone sec.16:08
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Sam-I-Amnotmyname: think the swift guy on my team figured it out16:10
notmynameSam-I-Am: oh?16:11
Sam-I-Amlooks like there were port issues with the ring-builder command16:11
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notmynameSam-I-Am: ah, ok. we would have gotten there :-)16:12
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Sam-I-Amnot exactly sure how that happened, but too many things were pointing at the same port16:12
notmynameSam-I-Am: misconfigured ports?16:12
Sam-I-Amyeah16:12
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notmynameSam-I-Am: we've got a feature lightly described that should diagnose that with one command from the CLI. I'm hoping the OPW candidate will be able to work on it soon16:13
Sam-I-Ami suspect it has to do with the separate storage net attempt16:13
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Sam-I-Amif this makes sense... the 'before' and 'after' ring:16:13
Sam-I-Amhttp://pastie.org/private/w9zl7z9ygtnmyzahs69qog16:13
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notmynameSam-I-Am: yeah. looks like maybe 2 issues with ports there.16:14
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Sam-I-Amnotmyname: another note on those. the install guide uses the "R" with different port numbers when building the rings, but the config i'm using now does not specify the "R"16:14
Sam-I-Amer, the config that now works16:15
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notmynameSam-I-Am: if you're using a separate replication network, then you need to have another instance of the {account,container,object} server running on that port. and I'm not sure if it makes any sense at all to have them on the same IP16:15
Sam-I-Amas per this? http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/replication_network.html#for-a-multiple-server-replication16:16
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notmynameSam-I-Am: ya, that looks right at a glance. the point is to send the replication traffic over a different network so that it doesn't impact (and can be separately QoS'd) than client traffic16:17
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Sam-I-Amwhich makes me wonder about how the "R" in the install guide ring-builder commands is supposed to work if it doesnt reference multiple instances:16:17
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Sam-I-Amhttp://docs.openstack.org/juno/install-guide/install/apt/content/installing-and-configuring-the-proxy-node.html16:17
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Sam-I-Amfollowing the guide, none of my storage nodes have swift services listening on ports 6003-600516:18
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notmynameSam-I-Am: ya, set 6 on that page looks troublesome16:19
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notmynamehowever, configuring a separate replication network wouldn't have caused you any problems16:19
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Sam-I-Amprobably not... except for those daemons not running16:20
notmynameSam-I-Am: that is, you'd still be able to read/write data. it just wouldn't have been able to keep it in the right place16:20
MentalRayNot trying to steal Sam-I-Am  thunder here but I am wondering if someone has experimented with DVR yet :)16:20
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notmynameMentalRay: what's DVR?16:21
MentalRayDistributed Virtual Router in Neutron16:21
Sam-I-Amso... with regard to fixing the installation guide, should we add content to make the replication network operational (fix the daemon issue)16:21
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Sam-I-Amor... remove the "R" for now16:21
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notmynameSam-I-Am: simpler is better. a separate replication network is useful in larger and more complex deployments. If it's in that guide, it should only be mentioned in an "advanced" section, IMO16:22
georgem2MentalRay: in that ask.openstack question, what's the floating IP assigned to the VM running on compute4?16:22
Sam-I-Amor... add it as an 'optional' or 'advanced' section assuming one can run ring-builder with the "R" and not destroy existing data.16:22
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xaqqlusers\16:25
notmynameSam-I-Am: yes, that's totally possible16:25
MentalRaygeorgem2, : will have to check if I still have the info16:25
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MentalRayRight now we are trying to re-crate the issue on a new setup16:26
X123yes16:26
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Sam-I-Amok, i might shoot for that. usually we keep the install guide easy and put more complex stuff in the admin guide, but the admin guide (in this case) doesnt really talk about the requirements for a separate replication network16:26
X123georgem2 - not sure which IP it was because we are doing many tests tearing it down and recreating but if you have specific network questions you can ask me16:27
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gaudgeorgem2 I am pretty sure it was the .716:27
Sam-I-Amswift has a different feel in the install guide, probably because plenty of folks use it without all the other openstack services16:27
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Sam-I-Amwhich makes me wonder if we should cover both 'have keystone' and 'tempauth' cases16:27
Sam-I-Amalthough i think most people using this guide would have keystone16:28
gaudI was assigning the fip from horizon at this point16:28
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notmynameSam-I-Am: I think it's fine to have keystone there in an openstack install guide. that makes sense16:28
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Sam-I-Amcool16:28
georgem2X123: I was just trying to understand the problem, I haven't yet tried DVR16:28
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Sam-I-Amnotmyname: thx for all the help here. i have a nice list of things to do :)16:29
X123Ahh16:29
X123The problem is, it's bugged :)16:29
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georgem2possibly, especially if it's new16:29
notmynameSam-I-Am: please let me know how else I can help. any other questions or troubleshooting16:29
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Sam-I-AmMentalRay: just a heads up, ubuntu 14.04 doesnt include ovs 2.1 which means ymmv with l2pop and dvr16:30
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Sam-I-Amnotmyname: so far so good. i might tag you in install guide patch reviews.16:30
Sam-I-Amif you dont mind16:30
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georgem2X123: you should though update that question with neutron configs, maybe it's a misconfiguration16:31
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gaudSam-I-Am: we'll update them manually then.16:31
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MentalRayits there georgem216:31
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MentalRaynear the bottom of the post16:32
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Sam-I-Amgaud: its in 14.1016:32
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gaudSam-I-Am: we'll use LTS..16:33
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georgem2ohh, sorry, I didn't see the "more" button16:33
X123haha i notice a lot of web sites using 'more' buttons lately16:34
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X123instead of just blasting the whole page out16:34
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Sam-I-Ambbiab - need to air the brain out16:35
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georgem2X123: I see you didn't set distributed_agent=true in l3_agent.ini16:54
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georgem2X123: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jCmraZGirmXq5V1MtRqhjdZCbUfiwBhRkUjDXGt5QUQ/edit16:54
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georgem2X123: It might not make a difference, but it's something you could try16:55
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X123hmm ok16:56
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MentalRaywe tried I think and it gave us errors16:59
MentalRaywe will retry it in our 1st POC16:59
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gaudgeorgem2 I don't see that in http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/config-reference/content/networking-options-l3_agent.html17:01
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georgem2gaud:yes, it seems there is no reference for that config option in the code either, so that doc is old https://github.com/openstack/neutron/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=distributed_agent17:11
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gaudgeorgem2 I started the service in debug, it was not checking this config option on start..17:11
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cstonerHey guys, does anyone here have experience trying to get cinder to properly use HA mirrored rabbitmq queues in Havana? I am really hitting a wall here.17:48
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cstonerHere is a pastebin of RabbitMQ master failover: http://pastebin.com/KKFNS7sg17:52
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dgeevarghi there, I am gonna start a project as part of my Postgraduation program and I would like to contribute to Openstack project if somebody could point the contact person to avoid duplicate effort.17:57
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cstonerdgeevarg: It might make more sense to ask over in #openstack-dev17:58
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dgeevargthanks cstoner++17:58
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dgeevargI will check with dev team . thanks .17:59
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cstonerI mean, it really seems like cinder can’t properly handle an amqp failover event. Is that something we can hope to see fixed as oslo gets adopted?18:05
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Sam-I-Amcstoner: havana is kind of unsupported now18:08
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Sam-I-Ami havent seen any problems with cinder and ha'd rabbit on icehouse or juno18:09
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MentalRaydgeevarg,18:09
MentalRayhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX9NYMZgj8018:09
cstonerYeah, there are a ton of fixes that went into icehouse18:09
MentalRayfrom last summit in Atlanta18:09
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cstonerThe OVS plugin is still supported (but deprecated) in icehouse, right?18:10
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dgeevargMentalRay, thanks18:10
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cstonerWe haven’t cut over to ML2 yet, but I’m getting pretty frustrated with a lot of the “it’s fixed in Icehouse” issues we’ve ran into18:10
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Sam-I-Amcstoner: the ovs plugin still works in icehouse18:11
cstonerVery cool. I might see how hard it would be to get an upgrade scheduled in our environment.18:12
cstonerThanks for your help Sam-I-Am18:12
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Sam-I-Amthere is an ovs->ml2 converter script that i know works for havana->icehouse. i think its currently broken for icehouse->juno though.18:12
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Sam-I-AmX123: having fun yet?18:25
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Sam-I-Amnotmyname: ping18:48
notmynamepong18:48
Sam-I-Amis it necessary to use a different zone for each storage node?18:48
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notmynameSam-I-Am: no. only use different zones when you have a different physical failure domain18:48
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Sam-I-Amok. the install guide increments the zone value for each storage node and i didnt think that made sense based on my reading18:49
Sam-I-Amit works though18:49
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Sam-I-Amand then there's regions18:49
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notmynameSam-I-Am: again, same story. regions are for expensive net connections18:50
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Sam-I-Amsure. the install guide is single-region... dont see why that would change18:51
Sam-I-Amprobably put links for advanced config options or architectural things18:51
Sam-I-Amto the swift docs, that is18:51
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Sam-I-Amrebuilding rings to test again18:52
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georgem2Sam-I-Am: if you don't use a different zone for each storage node, than all replicas could be on drives located in the same server18:55
Sam-I-Amin this case there's only one drive per server, but i see what you mean18:55
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notmynamegeorgem2: Sam-I-Am: not quite. if you have different servers (more than your replica count) but only one zone, you'll still have different replicas on different servers.18:56
notmynameand if you only have one server, but more than replica count drives, you'll still have each replica placed on a separate piece of hardware18:57
notmynamegeorgem2: Sam-I-Am: in swift-landia we call this "as unique as possible" placement. basically, swift uses the failure domains available to place the data as widely as possible18:57
Sam-I-Aminteresting18:58
georgem2notmyname: thanks for explanation18:58
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Sam-I-Amthe question is how far does one want to take the example in the installation guide. my guess is... something usable on a relatively minimal amount of hardware (right now its 5 storage nodes recommended minimum), but expandable to something mostly production worthy without having to tear it down18:59
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Sam-I-Am5 seems like a lot of hardware (or vms) to figure out how it works19:00
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Sam-I-Am1 storage node doesn't convey the architecture very well19:01
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notmynameSam-I-Am: one server with 4 drives is a good start.19:02
notmynameSam-I-Am: but starting with 2 servers to show how it works across servers is good too19:03
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notmynameSam-I-Am: so 2 servers with at least 2 drives each19:03
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Sam-I-Ammmkay, i think thats possible19:03
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Sam-I-Amsuper easy in the cloud, i just keep attaching block devices :)19:03
Sam-I-Amprobably easy for people testing in VMs too19:03
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notmynameSam-I-Am: but "small" in the swift world is generally larger than most people think of when they think "small". I mean, if you're dealing with less than 10T of storage, go buy a RAID card. ;-)19:04
Sam-I-Amhaha19:04
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Sam-I-Amthis is true19:04
Sam-I-Ambut i think the installation guide caters to a lot of people looking just to get their feet wet and see if a service is worth pursuing for production19:04
maxdmlHi all,19:04
maxdmlby chance, does anyone have heard about some kind of statistics for google compute engine, reporting the average instance type launched by users?19:05
notmynameright. which IMo should probably be about getting familiar with the API and the components. not "here's how to store PB in production"19:05
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Sam-I-Amso a) does it work b) can i understand why it works c) can i test it within reason19:05
maxdmlI'm looking to know what is the most common size users wants to create19:05
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notmynameSam-I-Am: ya.19:06
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Sam-I-Ammmkay. in that case, it makes sense to stick with the spirit of the guide and maybe put together this 2-node 2-disk system... then link people out to the swift docs for production stuff.19:07
notmynameSam-I-Am: that's why 2 servers with 2-4 drives each for an example small swift cluster IMO is fine. it shows enough, it's harder to show the pieces when you get smaller than that. but that doesn't mean you now know everything you need to run a multi-site, multi-PB deployment19:07
notmynameSam-I-Am: a small storage server has 12 drives in it. that's easily 48T of raw storage.19:08
Sam-I-Amdoes 18/3/1 still make sense for 2 servers with 2 disks each basic config?19:08
Sam-I-Am18 seems... large.19:08
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notmynameSam-I-Am: so while yes I completely support a getting started guide that makes it really small, I also think that by doing it all in VMs without direct attached drives is almost by definition a playground and not for prod. so being honest about that is good19:10
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Sam-I-Ami think we get a mix of people in that respect19:11
notmynameSam-I-Am: ya, 18 is pretty big for that, but won't cause too many problems. if it's just 4 drives total, set it to 10. that's still "too big" but there's no reason to go lower19:11
Sam-I-Amplenty of 'feet wet' folks find VMs easier to manage for a first-time (not performance testing) installation19:12
Sam-I-Ameach to snapshot and restore when things break19:12
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Sam-I-Ami see enough people complain about needing more than 1 machine lol19:13
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notmynameI'm not arguing with that. I do all my swift dev work in a VM. I'm just saying it's not like prod and we should think it is19:13
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notmynamethere are several good reasons to not use VMs for Swift19:13
notmynamethe biggest is hiding the actual physical failure domains.19:13
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notmynameyou don't want all your replicas to be placed on the same host machine even if they are different VMs on that piece of hardware.19:14
Sam-I-Ami sure hope people arent using VMs for prod19:14
notmynameright19:14
notmynamethat's my point19:14
Sam-I-Amsomewhere in the beginning of the guide we explain this19:14
notmynameI don't care if you have a getting started guide that uses VMs. just don't pretend that it's the same thing as "small-scale prod"19:15
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Sam-I-Amlooking at the install guide, we need 3 nodes for core services, 1 for cinder, and perhaps 2 for swift. i guess 6 isn't bad. not difficult to merge the cinder storage node into the controller node, or on the same nodes as swift storage... but sometimes i wonder how often "dont do this at home" is understood19:18
Sam-I-Amits always a battle trying to find the right configuration that people can learn/build from, but wont just shove into production.19:18
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Sam-I-Amnotmyname: btw, seeing this in the logs: This middleware module is deprecated as of v0.10.0 in favor of keystonemiddleware.auth_token19:21
notmynameSam-I-Am: yeah, the keystone project moved stuff around.19:22
Sam-I-Amseems like keystone.middleware.auth_token needs to be keystonemiddleware.auth_token?19:22
notmynameSam-I-Am: yup. https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/etc/proxy-server.conf-sample#L26919:23
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Sam-I-Amnotmyname: interesting that identity_uri isn't in there19:24
Sam-I-Amkeystone gripes when i use auth_host/auth_port/auth_proto in juno19:25
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gaudquestion for you guys,  is /usr/bin/neutron-openvswitch-agent --config-file /etc/neutron/plugins/openvswitch/ovs_neutron_plugin.ini   something specific to  RDO ?19:28
gaudthe fact that it's loading it by default19:28
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Sam-I-Amyeah, its a bug19:29
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Sam-I-Amrather, a fight between what the rdo people think and what the neutron devs think19:29
Sam-I-Ami'm nicely in the middle of that mess19:29
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MentalRay_you should start negotiating with a baseball bat :p19:30
zechariahoho19:30
Sam-I-Amgeorgem2: http://docs.openstack.org/juno/install-guide/install/yum/content/neutron-network-node.html19:31
Sam-I-Amerrr19:31
Sam-I-Amgaud19:31
Sam-I-Amthanks irssi19:31
Sam-I-Amdown by 'to finalize installation'19:31
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gaudSam-I-Am I am the victim of that bug for the third time !19:31
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Sam-I-Ami just worked around it19:31
gaudi guess that i never learn19:31
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gaudit should load /etc/neutron/plugin.ini and that's it ?19:32
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Sam-I-Amyup19:32
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jeffq_anyone familiar with keystone ldaps authentication with sql authorization? i cant figure out how to get an ldap user into a tenant role because as soon as i turn on ldap authentication, i can no longer use local admin to do anything19:34
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Sam-I-Amthats a lot of moving parts...19:37
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jeffq_i'm learning openstack is a lot of moving parts, period19:40
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MentalRay_hehehehe19:40
MentalRay_Yes sir :)19:41
Sam-I-Amjeffq_: you just added more :)19:41
Sam-I-Amso your keystone commands fail when you enable auth?19:41
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jeffq_sam-i-am: correct, when i turn on ldap, no keystone commandline tools return19:42
jeffq_well they return19:42
jeffq_but with error19:42
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jeffq_telling me it cannot authenticate admin19:43
jeffq_which it cant, because i dont have an admin account in ldap19:43
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Sam-I-Amdid you try using the admin_token bootstrap method?19:43
jeffq_i feel like its chicken and egg, i want to add an ldap user to the admin role.. but i need ldap enabled before i can do that19:43
jeffq_admin_token bootstrap method? that sounds fun.19:44
jeffq_let me google that19:44
Sam-I-Amwhen you set up keystone the first time, you might rememeber a random hex value19:44
Sam-I-Amyou also set it in your environment as OS_SERVICE_TOKEN19:45
Sam-I-Amand that should magically bypass any authentication19:46
Sam-I-Amits how you pre-populate keystone before using it for auth19:46
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jeffq_ok, cool. let me dig into that, thanks Sam-I-Am19:46
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MentalRay_Sam-I-Am,20:00
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Sam-I-Amya?20:00
MentalRay_just retested on another POC20:00
MentalRay_same issue20:00
MentalRay_FIP gets added to all Namespace20:00
MentalRay_hehe20:00
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MentalRay_so either DVR is broken or one of our setting is breaking this20:01
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X123even if it was a setting, that's one hell of a setting to break the whole network20:01
X123should be some sanity checks there somewhere20:01
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Sam-I-Ami'm going to go with the former, but i also havent heard from anyone yet... i think they're all enroute to the summit.20:01
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MentalRay_how could DVR get release broken20:02
Sam-I-Ami'd still like to try it myself... but need to get this swift thing in order first.20:02
MentalRay_that would be incredible lol20:02
Sam-I-Amneutron20:02
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Sam-I-AmX123: also need to look at the code to see whats going on20:04
X123yeah I am baffled how they could make DVR and not test it :)20:04
X123you would think they would at least have test with 3 or 4 compute nodes20:04
Sam-I-AmX123: "worked in devstack"20:04
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X123with one compute node? :)20:04
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Sam-I-AmX123: might be interesting to check the gate configs to see if you're missing anything20:04
Sam-I-AmX123: let me find one for you20:04
X123of course if it was one compute node would work perfectly20:04
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X123not very much sanity checking in openstack20:05
X123or synchronization20:05
X123stuff to go 'hey this doesn't look right'20:05
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X123or 'hey the interfaces here don't match what i have so ill recreate them to match the database'20:05
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X123or hey the iptables rules and routing table doesn't match what ih ave in the database so ill redo it20:06
X123it gets all out of whack :)20:06
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X123from a network engineering standpoint that is.. bad20:07
X123:P20:07
X123RIB/FIB out of synch is horrible20:07
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Sam-I-Amneutron needs more network people20:10
X123i'd be happy to help20:10
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X123i can't program :) but i can explain what it needs to do in order to be a viable network solution20:10
X123bbl20:10
Sam-I-AmX123: http://logs.openstack.org/14/105514/24/check/check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr/ec6140c/logs/etc/neutron/20:11
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jeffq_Sam-I-Am: btw thanks, the bootstrap thing was exactly what i needed.20:24
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Sam-I-Amcool20:25
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darkinvaderDOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW TO MAKE NOVA REWRITE libvirt xml file?20:45
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Sam-I-Amquiet in here21:47
jeffq_halloween!21:48
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Sam-I-Amjeffq_: pretty much21:56
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MentalRay_summit probably doesn't help either ;)22:00
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Sam-I-Amno, it wont22:02
Sam-I-Ami was lucky that notmyname was still around22:02
Sam-I-Amsent off my e-mail of swift install guide corrections/suggestions22:03
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Sam-I-Amdebating how motivated i feel to move on to the next project22:03
Sam-I-Amproject(s)22:03
Sam-I-Amthe pile is thick22:03
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MentalRay_Sam-I-Am,  DVR sound like a great project for your next one :)22:15
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jasonozhmm22:22
Sam-I-AmMentalRay_: ummmm yeah22:23
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MentalRay_hehehe22:39
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Sam-I-Amsigh22:41
Sam-I-AmMentalRay_: do y'all... weekend?22:41
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Sam-I-AmMentalRay_: so, you think i could mimic your environment with 1 network node and 2 compute nodes?22:43
Sam-I-Amseems you're bringing the external network into the network node22:43
MentalRay_yeahg22:44
MentalRay_we did a second POC on cents22:44
MentalRay_centos722:44
MentalRay_1 controler 2 cn 1 net node22:44
MentalRay_same isuee22:44
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Sam-I-Amcurious about putting br-ex/public on the compute nodes22:46
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Sam-I-AmMentalRay_: did you find ovs 2.1 packages for trusty?22:47
Sam-I-Ami did not.22:47
MentalRay_I dint set it up22:47
MentalRay_let me check with X12322:47
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Sam-I-Amwhat time zone are y'all in?22:48
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MentalRay_EST22:48
MentalRay_You are in PST?22:48
MentalRay_MentalRay_: did you find ovs 2.1 packages for trusty?22:49
MentalRay_we dint check yet22:49
MentalRay_Ubuntu setup will be up for monday22:49
MentalRay_we only experimented on CentOS22:49
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Sam-I-Ami'm in central. austin, in particular.22:50
Sam-I-Amwhere its still nice and warm22:50
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MentalRay_It must always be warm there :p22:50
Sam-I-Amsometimes it feels that way22:51
Sam-I-Amsummer was rather boily22:51
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Sam-I-Ambut i'll take warm over cold22:51
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MentalRay_Here will get to -25 in a few weeks :p22:52
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eth2they announce -5 by monday22:53
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Sam-I-Amyeah thats not for me22:54
Sam-I-Ami did winter for 10 years22:55
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MentalRay_in which area>22:55
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Sam-I-Amkansas and colordo22:56
Sam-I-Amcolorado22:56
eth2oh, sure ain't as bad as what we get here22:56
eth2I feel this will be a wild one this season22:56
Sam-I-Amnaw, its not22:56
Sam-I-Amnow you know why i dont live up there22:56
Sam-I-Amthe northeast doesnt interest me22:57
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eth2I'm way too tinfoil to live into us-soil ;p22:57
eth2i'll get on a list within a week22:57
HuStackHello Everyone in this IRC. My name is Huseni and I am a new member in this room to learn and share and contribute in openstack22:58
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MentalRay_Hi :022:58
eth2Hi, welcome in!22:58
HuStackThanks Guys22:59
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Sam-I-AmMentalRay_: seems like a few of you hailing from the same place22:59
HuStackI am just the beginner in OpenStack and would seek some help22:59
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MentalRay_4 here23:00
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Sam-I-AmMentalRay_: what other openstack services are you using?23:01
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MentalRay_probably not as much as you guys are here23:01
MentalRay_hehehe23:01
MentalRay_Really interested in seeing what Throve can do23:01
MentalRay_also heat is my next target23:01
Sam-I-Ami havent messed much with trove.23:02
Sam-I-Amheat is cool23:02
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Sam-I-Amer, warm.23:02
MentalRay_looks basic for now23:02
Sam-I-Amcinder can be useful23:03
MentalRay_we using cinder with ceph in a POC23:03
HuStackI just have followed the wiki instruction and set the openstack on my ubuntu box23:03
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Sam-I-Ami havent used ceph yet23:03
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Sam-I-Amone thing about openstack... plenty of ways to skin a cat.23:03
HuStackTo play with it, I would like some idea how should I start testing it ?23:04
MentalRay_yeah23:04
MentalRay_HuStack,23:04
MentalRay_create vms23:04
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MentalRay_test CLI command23:04
MentalRay_etc23:04
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MentalRay_play with horizon23:04
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MentalRay_If you are adventurous you could try to setup an openstack behind HA :)23:05
Sam-I-AmMentalRay_: halfway tempted to try dvr with devstack and see if it works23:06
Sam-I-Ambut only halfway23:06
MentalRay_:)23:06
MentalRay_HuStack,  http://docs.openstack.org/high-availability-guide/content/index.html23:06
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MentalRay_Sam: it would be a nice way to spend your friday ;)23:07
MentalRay_Testing DVR :p23:07
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MentalRay_HuStack_,  you read any of the documentation yet?23:08
MentalRay_http://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ops/content/ its a nice read23:09
Sam-I-AmMentalRay_: ummm right23:09
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MentalRay_lol23:09
Sam-I-Ami have to build the infra first23:09
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HuStackYea I read bunch of it from wiki23:10
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HuStackand still reading it23:10
Sam-I-Amwhat makes things more fun is i do all this in the public cloud23:10
Sam-I-Ami dont have any 'real' servers23:10
Sam-I-Amso i have to enable some workarounds23:10
HuStackDo we have access to readily available environment of openstack which we can test it ?23:11
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MentalRay_not readdy23:12
MentalRay_really23:12
HuStackok got it23:12
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HuStackSo basically the first thing I must do is setup my own environment working with all the openstack component to run and test it23:13
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MentalRay_yes23:14
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MentalRay_if you are limited on resources23:14
HuStackbut if I am interested to take a look at only one of the openstack service like Keystone or Nova, do i still need the entire openstack working ?23:15
MentalRay_you can use a hypervisor and built your POC within that server23:15
HuStackI am limited with the resource23:15
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HuStackok23:15
MentalRay_or use devstack or something like this23:15
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Sam-I-Amthe only openstack components that run by themselves are keystone and swift23:17
HuStackI am using devstack only23:17
HuStackhow is it different from other type of openstack ?23:17
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eth2Made for what you are attempting to do, it's a smaller deployment specifically made to test if openstack fits your needs23:18
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HuStackhmm ok. Thanks23:18
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Sam-I-Amdont do anything production on it :)23:18
HuStackdoes it mean, it will consume less resource or needs less amount of setup on my target23:19
HuStack?23:19
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MentalRay_http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/faq.rst23:22
MentalRay_also if you want to get caught up even those isnt up to date on Juno23:22
MentalRay_check on youtube the openstack foundation videos23:22
MentalRay_its the sessions from the Atlanta summit23:22
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MentalRay_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozx15YrEIzw&list=PLKqaoAnDyfgqOTilbmnb8S_6vLAilZggx23:23
MentalRay_only 271 videos for your personal enjoyment :p23:24
MentalRay_HuStack,  you are developer or sysadmin or both?23:25
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HuStackI am a dev-ops developer mostly working on DBaaS cloud platform we have23:26
HuStackalso do admin stuff as well23:26
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HuStackThanks MentalRay for the link23:28
MentalRay_np23:29
HuStackDo I need some sort of license to use the launchpad where the bugs are reported to access ?23:29
HuStackAlso to checkout the code or checkin, Do we have some licensing for Github ?23:30
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Sam-I-Amyou need a launchpad account and there's documentation for contributing to openstack which requires signing the CLA23:31
HuStackok23:31
HuStackbut for a software, do we need to install on local linux box or it's all web based only ?23:32
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Sam-I-Amit uses linux command line utilities... like git23:32
Sam-I-AmMentalRay_: working on building some boxen. not sure how far i'll get. after all, weekend.23:34
MentalRay_weekend is overrated :p23:34
Sam-I-Amthen the question of will it work in pubcloud without tweaks23:34
Sam-I-Ampubcloud networks do mac filtering23:34
HuStackso having git installed on the linux machine is good enough right ?23:34
X123what's a weekend?23:35
X123nothing ends.. it's still a week23:35
Sam-I-AmX123: time away from computerwebs23:35
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X123Sam-I-Am, i don't know what that is!23:35
X123every day is the same :)23:35
Sam-I-Ammmm... i dont like getting burned out.23:35
* X123 needs a vacation23:35
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Sam-I-Amopenstack will burn you out, its just a matter of when and how bad it gets23:36
MentalRay_You just had a vacation lol23:36
MentalRay_I remember seen you 24/7 for 2 weeks23:37
MentalRay_:P23:37
X123That was not a complete detachment from all electronic devices..23:37
MentalRay_ahaha23:37
MentalRay_4 hours massage every day is pretty much a vacation :p23:37
Sam-I-Ami'm attempting to un-internet for a few days in december23:37
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Sam-I-Amshould be good as long as people dont think i'm dead23:37
X123MentalRay_ that was a NECESSITY, not a vacation.. :)23:38
X123to ensure my sanity23:38
Sam-I-Amwhat is sanity?23:38
MentalRay_yeah yeah :p23:38
Sam-I-Amyou're using openstack23:38
Sam-I-Amthat went out the window23:38
X123indeed23:38
X123vmware is too expensive :P23:38
Sam-I-Amlol. well, that shouldnt be the main reason for openstack.23:39
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X123no, integration is23:39
X123but $ is a huge factor23:39
Sam-I-Amthat and cloudiness23:39
Sam-I-Amlots of people come in here looking to use openstack as a stock vmware replacement, then wonder why all the stuff they're used to doing in vmware doesn't work, or doesnt work well.23:40
X123there's plenty of other 'cloudiness' solutions :)23:40
Sam-I-Amlike... booting from isos, for example.23:40
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Sam-I-Amlive migrations, also not a cloudy thing.23:40
X123yeah i kind of expected it to work like vmware23:40
X123and was sorely disappointed23:40
Sam-I-Amheh23:40
X123but nonetheless, it does work23:40
Sam-I-Amyou can do that with just kvm and some UI on top of it23:40
X123well i don't just mean one vmware machine23:41
Sam-I-Amcloudy concepts are difficult23:41
X123vsphere/nsx/etc23:41
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X123it's a cloud too :)23:41
Sam-I-Amthe big one is live migration. people on vmware love it, but it doesnt make sense with openstack.23:41
X123sure it does23:41
Sam-I-Amload balancer + near-instant imaging = near-instant redeployment of a VM, often quicker than live migration.23:42
X123I want it all, and cake23:43
X123what about shared cpu and memory resources across compute hardware23:44
MentalRay_X123,23:45
MentalRay_you know what23:45
MentalRay_since you need a good vacation23:45
X123uh oh23:45
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* X123 cringes23:45
MentalRay_Lets scratch Openstack and develop our own solution23:45
MentalRay_its gonna be easy :p23:45
* Sam-I-Am grabs some popcorn23:45
MentalRay_ahahaha23:45
Sam-I-AmX123: i like cake23:46
* X123 likes key lime pie23:46
MentalRay_I do too but no more desert for me :p23:46
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Sam-I-Ammmm key lime pie23:49
Sam-I-Amthe cost of working dvr :)23:50
X123hehehe23:50
MentalRay_lol23:50
MentalRay_http://brioguy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/KeyLimePie.jpg23:51
MentalRay_X123, next time you visit23:51
X123mmm23:51
MentalRay_will get you 10 key lime pie just for you23:51
X123I need my mom's key lime pie23:51
X123nothing else comes close23:51
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X123it knocks your socks off when you take a bite of it23:51
X123like those sour patch candy things23:51
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Sam-I-Amhaha23:52
Sam-I-Ammy mom's is good too.23:52
Sam-I-Amwe should have a pie competition23:52
MentalRay_you gonna have to go to the gym 2 hours instead of 1 hour everyday23:52
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Sam-I-Amhell with this openstack technology crap, lets open a bakery23:52
MentalRay_Im game ;)23:52
Sam-I-Amugh, gym...23:52
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Sam-I-Ami only exercise so i can eat23:52
Sam-I-Amat which point i treat myself like a moving garbage dumpster23:53
X123heh i go to the gym 5x a week23:53
X123that's my only solace23:53
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MentalRay_that and talking with me :p23:54
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eth2MentalRay_, open a hamburger shop I know a regular customer for ya23:55
X123Ahh yes the long engaging business conversations :)23:55
Sam-I-Amaround here its taco trailers23:55
Sam-I-Amand general street food23:55
Sam-I-Ammmm, sogood yet sobad23:55
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Sam-I-Ambut i can get a taco at 3am23:55
X123tempting..23:55
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