Wednesday, 2014-11-26

jb8345Hi all. I'm with Rackspace and I'm being pushed to go down the route of upgrading from Havana to Ice House. As there appears to be no upgrade path, how are you dealing with this?00:00
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kingtuxgood evening from the east cost00:17
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Marcosgood night everyone00:24
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jasonsbSam-I-Am: yo04:26
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jasonsbSamYaple: hallo sir04:35
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SamYaplejasonsb: Hello04:36
SamYapleHow are you04:36
jasonsbgood04:36
jasonsbi broke my openstack pretty good yesterday04:36
jasonsbstill not sure what was root cause04:37
SamYapleOpenstack04:37
jasonsbbut i had to delete all of the networks and re-create04:37
jasonsbcouldn't save it04:37
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SamYaplewhat were you seeing?04:37
jasonsbnone of the l3 stuff was working04:38
jasonsbno metadata04:38
jasonsbno routing04:38
jasonsbnot nat04:38
jasonsbi stopped everything04:38
SamYapleinstances oculd still talk to eachother on the same network?04:38
jasonsbcleaned ovs db04:38
jasonsbcleaned netns04:38
jasonsbreboot04:38
jasonsbdidn't help04:38
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jasonsbnot sure if they could04:39
jasonsbi think so04:39
jasonsbbut not 100% sure04:39
SamYapleAh well, its too late to debug now04:39
jasonsbmy mistake?04:39
jasonsbi made a typo in sudoers file04:39
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jasonsbi made same typeo on nuetron l3 machine as well as nova-compute04:40
jasonsbso i think somethign from network provisioning neutron-port provisionig goes from OS into db04:40
jasonsband that didn't work right with my typo04:40
jasonsbactually i have a question for you04:42
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jasonsbare you aware of any docs which describe the l3 multi-provider network config?04:42
jasonsbthe blog posts i've read omit a few things04:43
jasonsbi'll help update official if there are some04:43
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SamYaplejasonsb: like using linuxbridge AND ovs?04:43
jasonsbscary04:44
jasonsbno this is just the multi-netowrk stuff that went in for icehouse04:44
jasonsbthis is the one where you don't use external_network_bridge04:45
jasonsband insetad use bridge_mappings04:45
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SamYaplejasonsb: I have a vague familiarity with what you are talking about, but i can't think about it at the moment04:56
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nszcetaAmazon ELB (load balancers) require connection to Amazon EC2 instances. How can I provide fault tolerance and load balancing for my geographically distributed KVM VPSes?04:57
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jasonsbSamYaple: no problem05:01
jasonsbits working05:01
jasonsbbut i think the docs may not be complete05:01
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jasonsbnszceta: you are looking to make haproxy ha?05:11
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nszcetaI'm trying to wrap my head around how to prevent downtime for a web-facing service powered by multiple VPSes05:14
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jasonsbnszceta: then put a few of those behind h/w load balancer06:30
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SamYaplemorning nekinie08:52
nekiniehi SamYaple08:52
nekiniemore fun with Juno today08:53
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nekinie5 physical servers :)08:56
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SamYapleDon't question, just do it08:57
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txomon|fonso I have just one machine for openstack atm, with the idea of keep growing. If I want to setup object storage, in the same drive as block storage, I should create two partitions, give one to lvm to use for cinder, and another to swift09:26
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txomon|fonbut I would love to have everything within LVM, I mean, be able to store objects in one LVM partition, so that I can resize the volume to give swift more storage09:27
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txomon|fonI know this isn't too recommended for scalability, but I want to have swift and cinder in the same hard drive09:27
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castquick question, which of the cinder services can one restart/reload without impacting users?10:36
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Marcosmorning everyone10:42
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mzbikhi guys10:44
mzbikis there any way to ommit SIZELIMIT_EXCEEDED: {'desc': 'Size limit exceeded'} while using Keystone with very large LDAP catalog?10:45
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mzbikI tried to use page_size=1000 or less but... INSUFFICIENT_ACCESS: {'desc': 'Insufficient access'}10:46
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casteven some general openstack doco on which services can be restarted and what the impact of a restart would be handy :)10:50
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mzbikHowever I think the problem is on keystone ldap backend implementation10:53
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mzbikserver sends a looot of data, I cannot set limit from client side, but keystone cant handle so big data10:53
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joconceptshey guys11:30
joconceptsi have some problem setting up gre external networking11:30
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joconceptson compute-node i get the following message in the log: Successfully created port: 3ac41516-b085-4b50-ae7f-0e3e540d4203 _create_port11:30
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joconceptson cloudcontrol server i get this message in neutron server.log: Failed to bind port 3ac41516-b085-4b50-ae7f-0e3e540d4203 on host cnode-111:31
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joconceptsthe message on neutron server appears half a second earlier11:31
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PkutishchevHello11:58
Pkutishchevis here somewho from developers of openstack ?11:58
Pkutishchevi got a question related to installation Juno under RHEL 6 fam.11:59
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SamYapleHello Pkutishchev12:00
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PkutishchevHi SamYaple12:00
Pkutishchevcould you please tell me is it possible to install openstack to Centos 6/5 from sources12:01
PkutishchevI has Xenserver 6.2 instance that  running under centos 5.7 and i wanna create a compute node with centos612:01
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rajashekar_vedamhi12:32
rajashekar_vedamcan anyone tell me on how to do hot swap volume12:32
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iscsiPkutishchev: devstack can do this13:06
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Pkutishcheviscsi: Hi, thank you, i've already made decision to try install it from source.13:09
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SamYapleiscsi: devstack has dependency checks that will fail for centos 5.713:10
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ipolyzosis anyone using Object Storage with S3 API ?15:28
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ipolyzos i.e http://docs.openstack.org/icehouse/config-reference/content/configuring-openstack-object-storage-with-s3_api.html15:28
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SamYapleipolyzos: I have used it. I setup it up breifly in production but it wasn't heavily used there15:28
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ipolyzoshi SamYaple  and thanks for your reply.15:29
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SamYaplehi ipolyzos15:29
ipolyzoswhat credentials have you used?15:29
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SamYapleIf I remember correctly (this was back when Havana just came out) it was just using the generated ec2 creds through keystone15:30
ipolyzosi use also the credentials presented when running : keystone  ec2-credentials-create15:30
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ipolyzosbut I get access denied all the time :/15:31
SamYapleyea that. I forgot the command15:31
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SamYapleI had to fool with the pipeline for a bit to get it working15:31
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ipolyzosprobably i do something foolish !!!15:31
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SamYapleIn the end we never used it since it didn't support large/dynamic objects15:32
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ipolyzosi see15:33
ipolyzosthanks alot :D15:33
SamYapleanytime!15:33
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SamYaplenow I sleep15:33
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nekiniehey there15:35
nekinieslight issue15:35
nekiniewhen ever I go to create a user in havana15:35
nekinieI get15:35
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nekiniehttp://pastebin.com/VtUErhFD15:35
nekiniein keystones log and a unable to create user error15:36
nekiniebut the user is created15:36
nekinieany ideas?15:36
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X123hrm15:48
nekinieI have set the default member flag in keystones config as a work around for now15:49
nekinie*default member id15:49
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BastihaseWatch out !! I am looking for people who have a server set up a UnrealIRCd network. I have several server! Who intrested can feel free to contact private. / msg Bastihase hello15:55
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Sam-I-AmX123: howdy16:22
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jasonsbhi Sam-I-Am16:25
Sam-I-Amhi16:25
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jasonsbSam-I-Am: if you have a minute i have a question16:31
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Sam-I-Amwhats up?16:31
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jasonsbi was looking at the juno nuetron docs16:32
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jasonsband i see it lists bridge_mappings which is good16:33
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mrichmanAnyone know if there’s a VirtualBox image I can download which already has devstack set up properly?16:33
jasonsbso you can turn on the multi provider l3 stuff16:33
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jasonsbbut then i see it has external_network_bridge too, which i thought you wanted to define as nothing16:34
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jasonsbso that when you create the provider network it takes the physical net name from that16:34
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jasonsband looks it up16:34
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jasonsbor maybe i'm all mixed up16:35
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Sam-I-Amhmmm16:39
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Sam-I-Amjasonsb: i wanted to leave it blank, but supposedly some packages configure it incorrectly, so the docs explicitly configure it now16:40
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jasonsbSam-I-Am: i would think you would explicitly configure it to be null16:40
jasonsbso user would know to keep it defined to empty16:41
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jasonsbor did you do it that way so the external net could still be gre type?16:42
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Sam-I-Ami cant seem to find the bug report for it16:43
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Sam-I-Ambut its out there somewhere and made sense at the time16:43
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Sam-I-Amanywho, i gotta start cooking thanksgiving stuffs here16:45
jasonsboh neat16:45
jasonsbhappy thanksgiving16:45
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Sam-I-Amthx16:45
Sam-I-Amif you think its an issue, open a bug and i'll take a look at it again16:45
jasonsbok16:46
jasonsbi found a couple of things on icehouse16:46
Sam-I-Amthe external network bridge is usually br-ex though16:46
jasonsblike i had to define some things on the controller node l3 conf for the right thing to happen with discoery16:46
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Sam-I-Aml3 agent on the controller node?16:46
jasonsbi was testing multi provider network config16:47
jasonsbl3 agent on its own node16:47
jasonsbeverything else on controller node16:47
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Sam-I-Amah16:47
jasonsbhad to modify files on both conroller and gw node16:47
Sam-I-Amwell, if these changes don't apply to the installation guide architecture...16:47
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jasonsbi was wondering if the testing was done on devstack16:48
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jasonsbwhere you wouldn't see this16:48
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Sam-I-Amnope. the install guide is tested with packages on each distro supported.16:49
jasonsbi'll reach out after you have had a good round holiday16:49
Sam-I-Amand always installed by hand to make sure we're not overlooking stuff that disappears with automation16:49
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Sam-I-Amaight that works for me. need to get into the kitchen.16:49
jasonsboh maybe i goofed16:49
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jasonsbhave good thanksgvn16:49
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Bob_George33Does openstack have network usage quotas for users?17:00
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ipolyzosis there any suite of functional tests to validate S3 compatibility of SWIFT that you could suggest ?17:14
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BigStupidDoes anyone know if there are problems with partitioning an image to comply with security policy?18:35
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BigStupidFor example, having /var, /var/log, /var/log/audit, /tmp, /home as separate partitions18:36
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BigStupidI'm not sure if that would mess with resizing18:36
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larsksBigStupid: It would make resizing tricky.  You can only resize the partition "at the end", so you would need to plan this appropriately.  And you may have to write your own resizing code -- I'm not sure if the standard stuff will just give up when there are multiple partitions.18:41
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larsksYou would probably be better off create an LVM-based image, so that you can simply grow the underlying PV and resize your LVs as necessary.18:42
larsksIt's not clear what multiple partitions gets you from a security perspective, though.18:42
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BigStupidThe CIS Benchmarks and DISA STIG call for separate partitions because mount options can give you security options, like noexec.  We do this for regular servers but security is losing it's mind when we talk about OpenStack18:44
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BigStupidI'm just hoping that I find something in the documentation that it's not best practice.  I think as long as I can point to the documentation, security will back off.18:45
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CyboBigStupid, I find EVRYBODY losses their mind when it comes to OpenStack, ie, well, who will support it?  How long will an server run?  How will we turn it off?  how do we control access?  etc etc etc18:48
larsksI don't think you're going to find anything specific in the documentation.  But for cloud images, which are meant to (a) ephemeral and (b) able to adjust automatically to the underlying disk size, this sort of partition requirements really complicated your storage management.18:48
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BigStupidlarsks:  I see the same thing in the OpenStack Virtual Machine Image Guide on their site.  I'll see where this can take me.18:50
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nszcetahow can I distribute postgresql over several server nodes to ensure high availability?19:44
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garysdayHi Guys, can someone help me with a Neutron issue installing Juno on Ubuntu20:13
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garysdayI got past some ml2 and service_plugin router issues20:13
garysdaywhen i run the command su -s /bin/sh -c "neutron-db-manage --config-file /etc/neutron/neutron.conf --config-file /etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/ml2_conf.ini upgrade juno" neutron20:13
garysdayI get the following issue20:14
larsksnszceta: that seems like a postgres question more than an openstack question.  The postgres docs have some thought on the topic: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.3/static/high-availability.html20:14
garysdayNo handlers could be found for logger "neutron.common.legacy"20:14
garysdayINFO  [alembic.migration] Context impl MySQLImpl.20:14
garysdayINFO  [alembic.migration] Will assume non-transactional DDL.20:14
garysday  No such revision 'juno'20:14
larsksgarysday: try "HEAD" instead of "juno"?20:14
larsks("HEAD" simply means "the latest available revision")20:14
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garysdayaaah20:15
garysdayyou dam man20:15
garysdayda man20:15
nszcetathanks larsks20:15
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garysdaynow I see the tables in the mysql db ;)20:15
larsksgarysday: glad it worked.20:15
garysdayunfortunately another bunch of errors in the DB20:15
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garysdayi mean the Doc20:15
garysdayany idea why just using core_plugin = ml2 doesn’t work vs using core_plugin = neutron.plugins.ml2.plugin.Ml2Plugin20:16
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larsksgarysday: I'm not sure.  My config is using the long form...20:18
garysdayok20:18
garysdayif only the Juno documentation said to use the long form ;)20:18
garysdaylarsks: getting there piece by piece… thanks to ppl like you helping out20:19
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garysdaylarsks: now i’m getting some major issues .. logs are complaining there’s no module named rabbit20:22
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ranger81I have issue in rabbitmq. ERROR oslo.messaging._drivers.impl_rabbit [req-959bf7f8-8a21-414c-b865-ab485c64bd09 ] AMQP server closed the connection.Check login credentials: Socket closed20:23
larsksgarysday: what is your rpc_backend setting?20:24
garysdaylarsks: rpc_backend = rabbit20:24
larsksgarysday: try: rpc_backend = neutron.openstack.common.rpc.impl_kombu20:24
larsksgarysday: also, most of the openstack docs have a "file a bug" link on them; you should use that when you encounter problems.20:24
garysdaydo i stll need to set rabbit_host etc ?20:25
larsksYeah.20:25
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ranger81Sam-I-Am, larsks: Can one of you please answer my above question20:25
garysdayok, now i get authentication required, even though it’s already set correctly…. let me take a look20:25
larsksranger81: I've got nothing.20:26
larsksranger81: If the socket is getting closed unexpectedly, the first place I woudl look would be the rabbitmq logs.20:26
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garysdaymeh.. larsks, this is strange20:27
garysdaycheck this in the log20:27
garysday2014-11-26 21:25:30.990 19623 ERROR keystoneclient.middleware.auth_token [-] HTTP connection exception: No connection adapters were found for 'http%0A649,1%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%2095%://10.1.1.30:35357/'20:27
larsksgarysday: that is extremely odd.20:27
garysdaystrangest http lookup i’ve seen20:27
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ranger81{handshake_error,starting,0,20:28
ranger81                 {amqp_error,access_refused,20:28
ranger81                             "AMQPLAIN login refused: user 'guest' can only connect via localhost",20:28
ranger81                             'connection.start_ok'20:28
ranger81larsks: I see this error -20:28
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ranger81larsks: In my case, I have distributed setup done manually. compute node is not able to connect to rabbitmq running in different controller node20:29
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larsksranger81: I'm not sure. It looks like rabbitmq has some restrictions about connection origins, but that's not typically part of the default config.20:29
ranger81larsks: http://wiki.markgruenberg.info/doku.php?id=rabbitmq:access_control20:29
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garysdaymy nova_admin_tenant_id should be the id of the service tenant right.. in my case its 82fc3fef1af146a596296fdeabfd463120:30
ranger81larsks: In ubuntu 14.10, I don't see any rabbitmw config file under /etc/rabbitmq20:30
ranger81larsks: let me try using rabbitmqctl20:30
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grimm_Hi! I'm trying to get Cloud-Init to work with Windows 7/8.1. But in the cloud-init logfile i always get this message: "[-] plugin 'SetUserSSHPublicKeysPlugin' failed with error '[Error 2] The system cannot find the file specified'"20:35
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grimm_Anyone seen it before? know why?20:35
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larsksgrimm_: Do you have access to the logs such that you can post them somewhere?20:36
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grimm_Yes, I can post it on pastebin.. wait a sec20:39
garysdaylarsk, funny thing is the errors is as follows20:39
garysday2014-11-26 21:39:43.852 20178 ERROR keystoneclient.middleware.auth_token [-] HTTP connection exception: No connection adapters were found for 'http%0A649,1%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%2095%://10.1.1.30:35357/'20:39
garysdaybut i removed all resemblence to 10.1.1.30:35357 from neutron.conf and it’s still there20:40
garysdaycould it be an issue with the mysql db?20:40
grimm_larsks: http://pastebin.com/2WeFj9ra20:40
larsksgrimm_: taking a look...20:40
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larsksgrimm_: Looking at the code, it's trying to read HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft Windows NT\CurrentVersion\ProfileList\<user_sid> (where <user_sid> is the SID of <username>, and username is whatever you have configured).20:43
larsksDoes that key exist?20:43
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mnasergarysday: where are you seeing that error?20:43
larsksmnaser: see the pastebin (http://pastebin.com/2WeFj9ra)20:43
larsksmnaser: that's from cloudbase-init on windows20:43
garysdaymnaser: , i see it in /var/log/neutron/server.log20:44
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mnaserok thats two conflicting things :P20:44
larsksmnaser: whoops, never mind.20:44
larsksToo many g* nicks.20:44
mnaser:P20:44
mnaserbut garysday can you paste your neutron.conf file20:44
garysdaywhen i run neutron ext-list i get20:44
garysdayyeah20:44
garysdaylet me put it on pastebin20:44
garysdayone sec20:44
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mnaseri suspect you have some weird characters under your keystoneclient settings20:44
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grimm_larsks: yes, it exists. is cloudinit running as the user specified in the cloudinit conf? or does the service login as that user?20:45
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garysdaymnaser http://pastebin.com/WQF8qL8220:46
larsksgrimm_: I'm not sure.20:46
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grimm_larsks: it probably just queries the sid of the configured used i guess20:46
larsksgrimm_: yes, it does that.20:46
grimm_larsks: strange thing is that i've tried this with windows7 and 8.1.. both 32 and 64-bit with the same result20:47
mnaserfound it garysday20:47
grimm_larsks: however, server 2012r2 does not have that problem20:47
larsksI have only ever tried this with window server 2012, where it seems to work.20:47
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larsksHah, yeah.20:47
mnaserlook at line 43020:47
mnaserthe line after that has 649,1 95%20:47
mnaseri think you messed up your copy20:47
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mnaserremove that extra line20:47
mnaserrestart neutron-server20:47
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garysdaybwah20:48
larsksgrimm_: I think the cloudbase folks may test primarily with ws 2012, also (at least, that's what they use for their demo image).20:48
garysdayhow did I not see that in vi20:48
garysday..slap myself with a big fish20:48
* mnaser slaps garysday around a bit with a large trout20:48
mnaser:P20:48
grimm_larsks: yeah. they might just claim compat because it _should_ work. heh20:48
garysdayroot@OpenStackController:/etc/neutron# neutron ext-list20:48
garysday+-----------------------+--------------------------+20:48
garysday| alias                 | name                     |20:48
garysday+-----------------------+--------------------------+20:49
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garysday| security-group        | security-group           |20:49
garysday| provider              | Provider Network         |20:49
mnaseruhoh20:49
garysday| binding               | Port Binding             |20:49
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garysday| quotas                | Quota management support |20:49
garysday| agent                 | agent                    |20:49
garysday| dhcp_agent_scheduler  | DHCP Agent Scheduler     |20:49
garysday| external-net          | Neutron external network |20:49
garysday| multi-provider        | Multi Provider Network   |20:49
garysday| allowed-address-pairs | Allowed Address Pairs    |20:49
garysday| extra_dhcp_opt        | Neutron Extra DHCP opts  |20:49
larsksgrimm_: some of the cloudbase folks hang out here on occasion.20:49
garysday+-----------------------+--------------------------+20:49
garysdayThx mnaser20:49
garysdayalso thanks larsks20:49
larsksgarysday: USE A PASTEBIN20:49
mnaser^^^20:49
garysdaysoz ;)20:49
garysdayjust happy to actually make some progress ;)20:49
grimm_larsks: ok. maybe ill get lucky ;-) thanks for trying20:49
mnasergrimm_: did you look in the registry if it was able to find it at that location?20:50
garysdaymnaser: any reason i don’t see router / l3_agent in the neutron list ?20:50
mnaserneutron agent-list ?20:51
mnaseris it running?20:51
grimm_mnaser: I dont know the SID it's using to perform the query.. but the registry location exists for the user in the config20:51
garysdaynope20:51
mnaserso start it up / check why its not running20:51
mnasergarysday ^20:51
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mnasergrimm_: the user it uses looks likeis configured20:52
mnaserhttps://github.com/stackforge/cloudbase-init/blob/master/cloudbaseinit/plugins/windows/sshpublickeys.py#L3820:52
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garysdaymnaser: how to start it up , with a router_create ?20:52
mnaserwhich seems to be 'Admin' by dfeault20:52
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mnasergarysday: there is docs on how to create your first router and private net, i suggest reading more on the neutron docs on how to do that and come here when you have a problem :)20:53
garysdaykk20:53
mnasergrimm_: https://github.com/stackforge/cloudbase-init/blob/master/cloudbaseinit/plugins/windows/createuser.py#L2520:53
mnaserare you possibly running the ssh keys plugin *before* the create user one?20:53
garysdayi’m just going through the install guide at the moment; trying to get all the components installed properly20:53
mnaserkeep following it step by step then :-)20:53
grimm_mnaser: no and everything is using default config.20:54
mnasergrimm_: yeah just looked at logs again.. i see that it sets the password for user "Admin"20:55
garysdaymnaser ;) indeed… but pretty much every stage has some errors… some are my PEBKAC others are docu errors20:55
garysday;)20:55
mnaserreport the documentation errors as much as you can20:56
mnasergrimm_: are you familiar on how to interact with WMI?20:56
grimm_mnaser: yes20:56
larsksmnaser: (you can also typically log in on the console and just set the administrator password)20:56
mnaserhttps://github.com/stackforge/cloudbase-init/blob/master/cloudbaseinit/osutils/windows.py#L31720:56
mnaserthis function is used to lookup the WMI object (and get SID from)20:56
mnasercan you try and see what SID you're getting?20:57
mnaser(and does it match the one you see in the registry)20:57
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mnaserlarsks: i figured.. ive never used cloud-init on windows but i've messed around quite a few other ways so trying to figure this out is interesting for me20:57
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larsksThe way they're getting the user home directory looks a little hacky to me, but I've never written python on windows so I don't actually know.20:59
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grimm_mnaser: the sid exists21:00
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mnaserlarsks: so the SID you get from that query mathces the one in the registry.. yet you're getting that 'file not found' stuff?21:00
larsksmnaser: you mean grimm_:21:00
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mnaseroops21:00
mnaseryes, that.21:00
mnaser:P21:00
grimm_mnaser: yes, its pretty odd21:01
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grimm_manser: i think i'm going to edit the python code for cloud-init to show the sid and other stuff21:01
mnaserthats what iw as going to suggest21:01
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mnaserLOG.debug('SOFTWARE\\Microsoft\\Windows NT\\CurrentVersion\\ProfileList\\%s' % user_sid) above the with winreg.OpenKey call may be interesting21:02
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grimm_mnaser: yes. i need some sleep now but will look into it tomorrow21:03
mnaserok :) bonne chance21:03
grimm_mnaser: thanks for your help so far21:03
mnaserno problem21:03
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garysdaythx mnaser… you guys might see me again soon.. hahahah21:27
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jasonsbBigStupid: maybe selinux is the way out21:29
jasonsbBigStupid: socialize the selinux whitelist with security21:29
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dtrainorI must have a typo here, the error I'm getting at is kinda dumb.  One controller, one storage system - which also does glance21:53
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dtrainorglance image-list returns, in glance/api.log, returns:  2014-11-26 14:52:46.170 6639 TRACE keystonemiddleware.auth_token NetworkError: Unable to communicate with keystone21:54
dtrainorkeystone appears to be working fine, I can token-get from wherever I want etc etc21:54
dtrainorin debug/verbose it doesn't tell me what exactly it's trying to connect to, where, how etc etc.21:56
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dtrainormy URLs in glance-*.conf are correct, I can curl them, I can't spot any typos - anyone have any idea where this might be?21:58
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dtrainorhere's the full trace http://fpaste.org/154468/41703915/21:59
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dtrainoroh, maybe:  Could not find project: services21:59
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dtrainoradmin_tenant_name services != admin_tenant_name service22:12
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ACIf I wanted to enable vhostforce=on, what would I need to hack in to the .XML description file?22:26
AC(or otherwise do to force this on?)22:27
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dtrainorCompute service endpoints.... where should they exist?  Is there one endpoint per compute node?23:31
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