Tuesday, 2014-11-25

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ranger81 keystone user-list00:05
ranger81Invalid OpenStack Identity credentials.00:05
ranger81any idea why I get this error in JUno?00:05
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skyler_ranger81: Are you setting up based on the install guide?00:11
skyler_You will notice that the bootstrapping process for keystone is a little different than in icehouse.00:12
ranger81Yes. I just fixed it by editing keystone.conf00:12
ranger81install guide for juno had a step missing that I found in icehouse guide00:12
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shepaxis there a way to set a user limit and a sing in o registrat00:14
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kickerdog1So I'm having a weird issue where after I create a VM and assign a floating ip, when that VM tries to use the external network, openvswitch segfaults.00:16
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pcrewshowdy - quick question regarding attaching volumes to nova:01:08
pcrewshttp://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2-ext.html01:08
pcrewsdescribes auto-assigning a device value when attaching a volume like this:01:08
pcrewsdevice URI xsd:string  Name of the device such as, /dev/vdb. Use "auto" for auto-assign (if supported).01:08
pcrewsBut, using 'auto' in the device body = fail.  The only way I can auto-assign is to not pass a device value or to set it to null.01:08
pcrewsWanted to know if 'auto' should work at all / what correct behavior should be01:08
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henryluoI’m trying to install OpenStack icehouse, wanted to use Chef, I have 3 servers, and I’m making one controller, compute, and storage, is mentioned scenario supported using Chef? OpenStack using Ubuntu 14.0401:51
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Sam-I-Amranger81_: what was the step?02:14
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ranger81_I am installing openstack basic services and mysql db in one node and neutron in separate node. Should I configure keystone in network node also?02:43
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Sam-I-Amno02:47
Sam-I-Amsomewhere earlier you said there was a step missing from the juno docs though02:47
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ranger81_Sam-I-Am: just saw your message . The step I had to was : Edit /etc/keystone/keystone.conf and change the [DEFAULT] section, replacing ADMIN_TOKEN02:57
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Sam-I-Amranger81_: seems to be in here - http://docs.openstack.org/juno/install-guide/install/apt/content/keystone-install.html02:58
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ranger81_Sam-I-Am: Yes, I see it here. Sorry I was following a vendor guide side by side and somehow missed it02:59
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Sam-I-Amaight. just wanted to check. i wrote most of that stuff.02:59
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ranger81_Sam-I-Am: I want to distribute controller in three servers. I am installing database, message broker, basic services (keystone, glance, nova mgt, neutron server, horizon) in one server, Optional services in second server and Networking services in third server. Is it valid deployment?03:01
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Sam-I-Amhmm03:06
Sam-I-Amwhy the distribution?03:06
ranger81_to avoid single point of control/failure. I am just experimenting if such a deployment would work03:06
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Sam-I-Amit would. openstack doesnt care where you deploy services.03:08
Sam-I-Amhowever, if keystone dies, nothing will work03:08
Sam-I-Amyou probably need to look at load balancing multiple instances of each service03:08
ranger81_"if keystone dies, nothing will work"- this is true in single node installation as well, right?03:08
Sam-I-Amyes03:08
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ranger81_ok03:09
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xiaozhiI accessed through a browser horizon, appeared KeyError, how can I do06:30
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patcablehi. i keep trying to set up my account to do a gerrit review but it says i cant add my address. when i try to add my address, it says that it "cannot store contact information"06:33
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patcablei guess i shouldnt be surprised, but of course there is also no link for any kind of help06:34
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patcableso the error message is ~ as useful as most openstack log output06:35
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tchaypopatcable: #openstack-infra mightbe a more useful place to get help07:25
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tchaypopatcable: Are you following https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gerrit_Workflow#Account_Setup ?07:25
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tchaypoor https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HowTo/FirstTimers, or some other guide?07:26
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antonsis there open source alternatives to vmware SRM?07:40
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neeleshgHi, I am using Openstack juno release. I launched instance with Cinder volume as Root disk.07:47
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neeleshgBut I am not able to expand Root disk because it is not allowing me to  detach volume from instance07:48
neeleshgany pointers will be helpful for me.07:48
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p01s0n_hi any plan to add vxlan support in nova-network08:55
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SamYaplep01s0n_: nova-network is and always will be a "flat" network. No tunneling/tenant networks08:59
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p01s0n_SamYaple : is it currently being developed09:00
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SamYaplep01s0n_: what is ucrrently being developed?09:02
p01s0n_nova-network09:02
SamYaplewhat does that have to do with anything?09:03
SamYapleAre you asking if it will supoort vxlan in the same way it supports vlan?09:03
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p01s0n_no that is a different question "is nova-network currently being developed"09:04
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p01s0n_there is no nova-volume now and its completelt replaced by cinder but nova-network still exist any reason why is it still supported09:05
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SamYaplep01s0n_: my apologies. I read your question as "it is currently being developed"09:07
SamYapleIt is stupported and "developed" in that sense09:07
SamYaplebut most work is going toward neutron09:07
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SamYaplesince vxlan is supported by linux, when nics and switched get wide spread support for offloading it is possible it will be patched into nova-network. I wouldn't hold my breath though09:08
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p01s0n_only reason i don't want to try neutron is because of network node,current implementation of nova-network is distributed and if they could add vxlan support with out bringing network node  i will continue to use nova-network :)09:11
SamYaplep01s0n_: yea it would be very useful. but without hardware level support vxlan can get really heavy underload. Turn off offloading on a loaded 10G network card and see your cpu usage spike09:13
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SamYapleI am with you though. That problem is being worked on for neutron. It at least is on its way to being truly HA with DVR09:14
SamYaplenot the best solution in some environments though09:14
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p01s0n_i haven't tried Juno,only thing i know about DVR is DNAT will happen on compute node and SNAT on network node09:16
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p01s0n_have you tried DVR SamYaple ^09:17
SamYaplep01s0n_: I have. Its mostly broken ;)09:17
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SamYapleI got it to work under a very particular setup. Its not super flexible yet09:18
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p01s0n_hope things will improve by Kilo09:21
SamYapleI imagine they will09:22
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p01s0n_as per https://www.openstack.org/assets/presentation-media/OSS-ATL2.pptx they had plan to opensoure their implementation of vxlan in nova-network ,any idea about its status ,i couldnt find any links or blueprints09:22
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SamYapleI dont see a blueprint anywhere either09:26
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neeleshgHi, I am using Openstack juno release. I launched instance with Cinder volume as Root disk. But I am not able to expand Root disk because it is not allowing me to  detach volume from instance09:32
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neeleshgany pointers to solve this?09:33
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SamYapleMorning Marcos11:37
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JayJAnyone using Hyper-V as a compute?13:18
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SamYapleJayJ: I used it in testing back in Havana. Never in production13:20
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JayJSamYaple: Are there any good writeups on how-tos that you could share, please?13:22
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SamYapleJayJ: I dont know of any. It was a pain to setup for me at the time13:25
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SamYapleand I never got it working with neutron13:25
JayJSamYaple: thanks for the heads up13:25
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SamYaplefor what its worth, I hear support has gotten much better for it13:26
JayJSamYaple: I will know that in next few days :)13:26
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SamYaplelol make sure to let me know. would love to read a blog post or something about your experince with it. been thinking about testing it again myself13:27
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kodiak1So I think we're doing Ceph for our storage on our 1st fully redundant cluster, but I'm kind of at a loss for how to redundantly provide NFS mounts for /var/lib/nova/instances to the hypervisors - any ideas?14:07
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Jkersomeone here is a unity 3d programmer ?14:11
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fricklerkodiak1: usually you would let nova use rbd as backend directly, see http://ceph.com/docs/next/rbd/rbd-openstack/14:29
kodiak1frickler - I'll look into that - I use NFS currently to allow for live migrations.14:30
fricklerwith juno that should work with rbd, too14:31
kodiak1Interesting - I'm on Icehouse now and I have heard others complain (but haven't seen myself) about problems with live migrations and NFS.  I'll read up on doing live migrations the Ceph way.14:32
fricklerwith Icehouse there are some issues still, yes. we have done some local patches in order to make block live migration work with rbd backed cinder volumes and local root disks14:33
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Sam-I-Amhopefully as people migrate to more 'cloudy' operations, we'll see a reduction in demand for live migration14:37
Sam-I-Amits a legacy vmware thing14:37
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kodiak1Sam-I-Am: Tell me about it - turns out my first project is to move a  bunch of pets from vmware into openstack (power down, virt-convert, move over to openstack, continue treating as pets)14:42
fricklerI don't completely agree with that, even when you are herding cattle, you wouldn't shoot all of them just to clean the stable or fixing its roof14:42
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Sam-I-Amwhen you have HA around stateless apps, its easy.14:43
Sam-I-Ammachines can come and go and no one notices14:43
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Sam-I-Ameasier with linux than windows, of course.14:43
Sam-I-Ambut i can bring up new machines faster than i can live migrate them14:43
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frickleryes, but does it make sense to tweak every application to match that paradigm? maybe in the long run, yes, but not in the next couple of years14:46
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Sam-I-Amits a long-term thing, sure14:49
Sam-I-Amjust saying that live-migration will fade as things become more cloudy14:49
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fricklerfade instead of vanish, I think I can agree with that ;)14:51
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tchaypoIf you said “maybe in the long run, but not in the next couple of years” in 2007  I might have agreed with you. I’m astounded that people still think this is something that is infeasible today14:59
Sam-I-Amwhat is?15:00
tchaypothen again I don’t have any great solutions to offer for the HA part except for “use amazon’s magic” or “use google’s magic” or “use backspace magic"15:00
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tchaypo*rackspace magic15:00
Sam-I-Amif your apps are stateless, a regular load balancer does HA fine15:00
Sam-I-Amdatabases have clustering15:01
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tchaypostateless apps are the thing people think is infeasible today15:01
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tchaypoI thought we’d be in the future by now15:01
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tchaypoi guess we do kinda have hover boards, but still. I want stateless all-the-things!15:01
Sam-I-Amhaha15:02
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markus_zThere is one year left for the hover boards. I still believe...15:03
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arykleinif I follow this guide: http://docs.openstack.org/icehouse/install-guide/install/apt/content/ (it will be my first openstack install), can I do all (controller node + network node + compute node) in the same server?15:06
arykleinjust for testing propose15:07
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txomon|fonaryklein, sure, I would use packstack or devstack though15:07
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Sam-I-Amdepends if you want a "real" install or not15:08
arykleintxomon|fon: but with packstack or devstack I think I won't learn. Is it right?15:08
Sam-I-Amyou can munge the official install guide to work all-in-one15:08
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Sam-I-Amthe problem with all-in-ones is debugging issues, particularly with networking15:08
txomon|fonaryklein, I have done all the setup in one15:09
txomon|fonwith Sam-I-Am 's method15:09
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txomon|fonanyway, be carefull, if you want to *learn*... I should have read the Configure and run OpenStack docs before starting the installation15:10
txomon|fonxD15:10
txomon|fonnot only the installation guide15:10
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txomon|fonbut directly to learn about architectures and how  modules interact15:10
martin-hHi there, I'm having an issue on my opnstack installation : "keystone user-create --name test --pass xxxx" works (user is created) but "keystone user-delete test" just hangs until I restart keystone at which point I note that the user "seems" to exists (with user-list). Where should I look first to findout what is the problem ?15:11
arykleintxomon|fon: ok. Yes I was reading this docs15:11
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arykleinSam-I-Am: Thanks. It will not a real installation. It's just for testing.15:12
martin-hSorry, I did an error in my question.15:12
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arykleinSam-I-Am: and if I use virtual machine with KVM I need to use nested virtualization?15:13
martin-hRetrying, I'm having an issue on my opnstack installation : "keystone user-create --name test --pass xxxx" works (user is created) but "keystone user-delete test" just hangs until I restart keystone at which point I note that the user "seems" effectively deleted ( reading the output of user-list). Where should I look first to findout what is the problem ?15:13
Sam-I-Amaryklein: if your machines support it. if not, you can use 'qemu' mode. slow, but ok for a few small VMs.15:13
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JayJSamYaple: Hyper-v - did you try hyper v with windows 2012 or hypervisor version?15:15
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tchaypomartin-h: keystone's logs, but I don't know where they go by default15:15
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Sam-I-Amusually in /var/log/keystone15:15
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martin-hSam-I-Am, tchaypo nothing intersting in keystone log :(15:16
arykleinSam-I-Am: should be difficult to debug networks issues in VMs?15:16
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martin-hThe command (which I invoke from the keystone box itself) just hangs15:17
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arykleintxomon|fon: and if I use devstack or packstack, do you think that I could learn how modules interact?15:17
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martin-hmaybe I should enable debug output15:18
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txomon|fonaryklein, if you want to learn, I would build it from scratch15:18
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arykleintxomon|fon: ok!15:18
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Sam-I-Ammartin-h: paste your keystone.conf somewhere15:23
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martin-hSam-I-Am, here it is : http://pastebin.com/Uh4gE4Ww15:25
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Sam-I-Ammartin-h: when you delete a user, try 'keystone --debug'15:28
martin-hSam-I-Am, let's try that15:28
Sam-I-Amgive it some time to see if something times out15:28
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Sam-I-Ammartin-h: what version of openstack is this?15:29
martin-hSam-I-Am, it's grizzly15:29
Sam-I-Am[sql] is outdated15:29
Sam-I-Amthats unsupported15:29
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martin-hSam-I-Am, I know it's old.15:30
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martin-hSam-I-Am, and here is the output of the client and keystone server http://pastebin.com/Uh4gE4Ww15:32
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qwebirc124567Is there any "hot swap volume" feature in cinder?15:32
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qwebirc124567how to do "hot swap volume"15:34
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Sam-I-Ammartin-h: looks like the same as before?15:35
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martin-hSam-I-Am, it seems the command has returned this time..... with : RESP BODY:15:36
martin-hNo body was returned.15:36
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martin-hbut I wait 5 min15:36
Sam-I-Amis this a new problem on an existing system?15:36
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martin-hSam-I-Am, I am not sure if it's new because I didn't have to create/delete users for a long time15:37
martin-hSam-I-Am, and on the top of this I am not the one who installed the thing15:38
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Sam-I-Ammartin-h: i see you have debug enabled in the keystone server15:38
martin-hSam-I-Am, yes, that's me15:38
Sam-I-Amdid you restart it?15:38
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martin-hyes, and pasted bin the output15:38
Sam-I-Amall i saw was the keystone.conf pastebin15:39
martin-hhttp://pastebin.com/Uh4gE4Ww15:39
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Sam-I-Amthat looks like keystone.conf15:40
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martin-hSam-I-Am, sent you the link within PM15:41
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Sam-I-Amok looking15:41
Sam-I-Ammartin-h: have you been clearing out your expired tokens from the db?15:42
Sam-I-Amusually its a cron job15:42
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martin-hSam-I-Am, never did anything like that15:42
Sam-I-Amand have any other services appeared slow lately?15:43
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Sam-I-Amparticularly horizon if you're using it15:43
martin-hyes of course Horizon but only tenant/user management especially when deleting users, updating password , or even at login time15:43
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martin-hIf I restart keystone I can use horizon again15:44
martin-huntil next time15:44
Sam-I-Amhmmm15:45
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Sam-I-Amdo you do any auditing of tokens15:45
martin-hThere is no cronjobs linked to token15:45
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Sam-I-Amif you run 'keystone-manage' does it give a 'token_flush' option?15:46
Sam-I-Amgrizzly might be too old for that15:46
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martin-hnope, no token_flush15:47
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Sam-I-Amso you probably need to manually remove the tokens15:50
SamYapleJayJ: It was 2008 R2 if I remember correctly. This was back in Havana (right as it was released15:50
JayJSamYaple: ok. thanks15:51
martin-hSam-I-Am, I'm going to pastebin the debug output when the command actually finish after 3-4 min15:51
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Sam-I-Ammartin-h: you can look around on the web for the best way to remove expired keystone tokens in your environment. chances are you'll hit the deadlock timer.15:51
Sam-I-Amassuming thats your probme15:51
Sam-I-Ambut it sure seems like it15:51
martin-hhmmm15:52
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martin-hSam-I-Am, seems it is like https://github.com/chathura77/useful_openstackscripts/blob/master/controller/keystone_flush15:53
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txomon|fonwhen flat networking is described in various documents, it refers to have the interfaces, in a same openvswitch bridge, with tags on them?15:54
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txomon|fonwith a single bridge where all machines are connected, using tags directly that correspond to physical vlans15:55
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larskstxomon|fon: typically, "flat" means "no vlans".15:56
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txomon|fonso, nova has by default the flat and the normal vlans modes?15:57
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Sam-I-Ammartin-h: more or less15:57
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txomon|fonmeaning, one bridge, all interfaces without tags => plain. one bridge, all interfaces with tags => legacy networking ?15:58
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martin-hSam-I-Am, mysql> select count(*) from token;16:01
martin-h Waiting ! :D16:01
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Sam-I-Ammartin-h: it'll probably fail a few times16:02
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patcabledoes anyone have a link to a pdf of the corporate contributor license agreement?16:03
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patcablei need a pdf to submit to my legal office and the website doesnt have one16:03
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andrewbogottHas anyone succeeded in building a debian image for OS?  http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/build-openstack-debian-image.1.html seems just the ticket but I can't make it work.16:04
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andrewbogott(not to mention, from reading the code it clearly doesn't do everything that it claims to do)16:04
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Sam-I-Amandrewbogott: did you try using suse studio?16:05
andrewbogottSam-I-Am: No -- would I need to be running Suse for that?16:06
Sam-I-Amno16:06
Sam-I-Amits a web site with all sorts of image creating goodness16:06
andrewbogottAh, cool!  I will look.16:06
andrewbogottthanks!16:06
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martin-hSam-I-Am, FYI : the number is 547558216:06
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andrewbogottI'm bemused that the OS docs provide links to ready-made images for everything /but/ debian.  Gonna have to pester my Debian colleagues about that.16:07
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txomon|fonI suppose the debian thing is due to not being a company16:08
txomon|fonor company derivative16:08
martin-hSam-I-Am, why the DELETE FROM token WHERE expired <= NOW() could be "dangerous" exactly ?16:09
martin-hand for what16:09
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Sam-I-Ammartin-h: mostly because it locks the db while it runs16:10
Sam-I-Amso on long runs it could hose up your stack16:10
skaIs it possible to get packstack to setup *no* networks internally?16:10
Sam-I-Amif this is in fact the problem, once all this is cleared out... you should have an hourly cron job that takes care of it16:10
skaIE, no private or public network setup?16:10
larsksska: that should be CONFIG_PROVISION_DEMO=y I think.16:10
skalarsks: is that default?16:11
larsksI don't think so... I think the default is to create the demo networks/users/etc so that you have something to test out.16:11
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skaCONFIG_PROVISION_DEMO=n then ?16:12
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larsksRight.16:12
patcablei'm getting "cannot store contact information" when i try to add my contact infomation to my gerrit profile16:12
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patcablenot really sure who to contact for help?16:12
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martin-hSam-I-Am, understood. running the query right now....16:14
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andrewbogottSam-I-Am: I'm poking around in Suse Studio now, but it doesn't give me any distro options.  Which makes me think it only builds things based on an opensuse base.  Am I missing something?16:15
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larskspatcable: Weird, seems to work for me right now.  I'm not sure who to contact...maybe post to the mailing list and ask about an appropriate contact?16:15
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patcablehow wonderfully openstack. which mailing list?16:15
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larskspatcable: openstack@lists.openstack.org16:18
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Sam-I-Amandrewbogott: it builds anything16:18
Sam-I-Amandrewbogott: you can upload isos to it16:18
andrewbogotthm ok...16:18
* andrewbogott digs some more16:18
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Sam-I-Amtheres also a library of existing images16:19
Sam-I-Amyou have to create an account16:19
andrewbogottYeah, I searched the library, didn't find anything very promising16:19
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coredumpanyone has ever found a problem where the glance directory keeps changing to root:root ?16:35
coredumpI have it set to glance:glance on chef, that runs every 30 minutes, so there's something else changing it back to root:root16:35
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skaIf my packstack fails, can I re-start it from point of failure?16:52
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gpizzaIs there a way for a non-admin user to query the statistics of an instance's network interface?17:09
gpizzawithout using 'diagnostics'.17:10
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skaIe setting up ifcfg-br-ex as per https://openstack.redhat.com/Neutron_with_existing_external_network still the right way to do this?17:33
skaI see the plain packstack installer setup a br-ex interface, but it has no IP address.17:34
dmelladoska, just re-use your answer file17:34
dmelladoand it'll quickly go to the point of failure17:35
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larsksska: br-ex doesn't need an ip address, unless you're trying to have your local host act as a gateway for your floating ip network (typically the gateway would actually be external to your system).17:36
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skalarsks: Thanks. Yes, I think I need to have external access and my gateway is external to the packstack system.17:47
skadmellado: Thanks for that.. Very good to know!17:48
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qhartmanI have a running Icehouse cluster that is using ceph for cinder and glance backends. Each node has dedicated storage for the /var/lib/nova/instances dir. I'd like to get live migration going.17:54
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qhartmanWhat would be the best way forward for that? Add shared storage for the instances dir and just go?17:54
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txomon|fonI want to support VM migration between 2 machines, they each ones their's HDDs, so if I want to make a migration of a machine, I should copy it?17:58
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txomon|fonI don't need NFS for that, do I?17:58
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qhartmantxomon|fon, if you have the basics for simple migration setup, nova can do it for you18:04
qhartmanit will have to reboot the vm as part of the migration though18:04
qhartmanso there will be a few seconds of downtime18:04
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qhartmanessentially the nova user needs to be able to ssh to/from each of the machines18:04
qhartmanthe NFS shared storage is only required to do the live migrations18:05
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qhartman(*NFS - other shared storage works too)18:05
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qhartmanIt's not strictly required, you can do the block-style live migration too, but that usually takes quite awhile18:07
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fyb3rSo I decided to totally re setup my little practice cloud from scratch just to get a better feel for everything. Turns out I still got it all down, but go figure Neutron was once again the biggest pain in the butt to get going.18:08
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fyb3rThough it was only for about a day and maybe 2hours of troubleshooting, still annoying :P18:08
qhartmanfyb3r, yes, the networking stuff is definitely the hardest to get right. I am using legacy networking and it's no better.18:09
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fyb3rHaha ya I figured. My main complaint is just the documentation on the configs really. The overall network stuff I have a firm grasp on just because of my current carreer.18:09
qhartmantxomon|fon, This is a useful page for live-migration stuff : http://kimizhang.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/openstack-vm-live-migration/18:10
fyb3rTurns out that putting rpc_backend in the neutron.conf on the compute node will totally kill openvswitch18:10
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qhartmanfyb3r, I'm in the same boat. the vast majority of the time I know exactly what I want to do, but figuring out how to do it is like panning for gold.18:10
fyb3rthat and ubuntu 14.04 out of the box will fail when trying to run ovs-18:10
fyb3rqhartman, part of the fun though, sometimes ;)18:11
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Sam-I-Amfyb3r: i'm trying to document neutron dvr. its even more fun.18:13
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clarkbpatcable: still around?18:15
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clarkbpatcable: usually this issue is due to not being a member of the openstack foundation18:16
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fyb3rSam-I-Am, I remember you saying something about that a few weeks ago lol. I think I would rather have my nails pulled out18:16
clarkbhave you followed the directions at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/How_To_Contribute#If_you.27re_a_developer18:16
clarkbpatcable: ^18:16
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skaIs /etc/neutron/plugin.ini sensitive to where you put data? Are the [xyz] markers or comments?18:17
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Sam-I-Amfyb3r: network node wasnt too bad. compute nodes are scary.18:17
fyb3rThough, now im looking into contributing my documentation.18:17
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skahttps://openstack.redhat.com/Neutron_with_existing_external_network indicated to just put some lines in the file, without any qualification.18:18
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fyb3rSam-I-Am, amen. Im writing a bunch of custom php and a front end from scratch and its been pretty intense. Network nodes seem to be pretty sleek because of the amount of traffic they are going to have to deal with.18:19
Sam-I-Amfyb3r: not so much with dvr18:19
Sam-I-Amsome stuff moves outside of the network node18:19
fyb3ryikes18:20
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fyb3rNothing like trying to define a "gray area"18:20
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Sam-I-Amwell, east-west traffic avoids the network node18:22
Sam-I-Amas do floating ips18:22
Sam-I-Amjust SNAT uses the network node18:23
Sam-I-Amat least theory says18:23
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stupidnicI have a problem with my network node that I am not sure where I should be looking. I have an Openstack Juno install on CentOS 7 multinode. 1 controller, 4 nova, and 1 network.18:28
stupidnicI boot a node and it comes online but doesn't get an IP.18:28
fyb3rAre you using DHCP?18:29
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stupidnicI have traced through the ovs setup on the nova side and can see that the packets are exiting the server on the wire (tcpdump)18:29
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stupidnicon the network side... I can see the packets entering the flow18:29
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stupidnicI can see the packets hitting table 3 which is then dropping them18:29
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stupidnicon the br-tun switch18:30
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stupidnicYes I am using DHCP, and I can verify that DHCP is running in the netns18:30
stupidnicthe problem is the packets are making it through the flows in the br-tun18:30
stupidnicand I can't figure out why, or where I should be looking18:30
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stupidnicthat should be18:32
fyb3rDid you mean that you boot an instance and the instance does not get an IP, instead of node?18:32
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stupidnicthe problem is the packets are not making it through the flows on the br-tun in the network node18:32
stupidnicyeah sorry18:32
stupidnicI meant instance18:32
fyb3rahhhh ok that makes sense now lol. I was lost18:32
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stupidnicsorry18:32
fyb3rAll good mate18:32
stupidnicI have cirros spamming udhcp right now18:32
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stupidnicand I can see the packets making it to the network node with the correct GRE tag18:33
stupidnicBut something is going wrong in openvswitch in br-tun18:33
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fyb3rWhen you run a      neutron agent-list     do you see that compute node listed?18:34
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stupidnicSure. All nodes are listed and alive18:38
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stupidnicI think it is something specific in openvswitch on the network node18:38
skaIn https://openstack.redhat.com/Neutron_with_existing_external_network the author talks about /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/enp2s0, but I have no such device on my Centos7 box initially.18:39
skaIs that something that is required for the external br-ex bride to work?18:39
stupidnicska: network devices in CentOS7 use the PCI device18:39
patcableclarkb: I wasnt, then I joined, now I still cant18:39
stupidnicso it will vary depending on the network manufacturer18:39
clarkbpatcable: ok the next thing to check is that your email addr in gerrit matches what you gave the foundtion. that is the lookup key18:40
patcableclarkb: it does18:40
skastupidnic: so I just use what I have?18:40
stupidnicska: as long as it is your external device... yes18:40
stupidnicthere is a boot command line switch that will revert CentOS7 to use eth#, but this is the way forward18:41
stupidnicso it is probably better to get used to using them now18:41
fyb3rstupidnic, and youve checked through the logs for openvswitch and it lists nothing out of the ordinary?18:41
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stupidnicfyb3r: I have something in there... something odd18:41
stupidnicioctl(SIOCGIFINDEX) on qr-9a74cc25-ef device failed: No such device18:42
clarkbpatcable: the primary addrs match on both sides?18:42
stupidnicbut I think that is related to the router interface18:42
clarkbpatcable: if so the next thing to check is that the fields have some data in them when hitting the submit button in gerrit18:42
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stupidnicioctl(SIOCGIFINDEX) on tapd05d29e1-97 device failed: No such devic18:42
clarkbiirc they want data but you can put whatever you like in them18:42
stupidnicthat is the tap device18:42
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fyb3rhm18:43
stupidnicfyb3r: yeah... I am confused as to what that actually means18:43
fyb3rsame lol18:43
stupidnicgoogling doesn't yield many clues18:43
fyb3rcrap18:43
patcableclarkb: fax number didnt have any information, but i just put the same phone number and i still had ap roblem18:43
patcableclarkb: same problem18:44
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skastupidnic: I used the document as is on an AWS instance, but it didn't come back after i restarted the network.. I don't have any acces to the logs so I just destroyed it.18:45
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stupidnicska: What interface did you have?18:46
skastupidnic: So' I'm trying to figure out what I did wrong without benefit of logs. eth018:46
skastupidnic: eth0 was the device it was configured with when I got it.18:46
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stupidnicah okay.. I thought you were dealing with a CentOS or RHEL 7 version. I should have asked what you had.18:47
stupidnicska: what did you change in eth0?18:47
stupidnicifcfg-eth018:47
clarkbpatcable: I don't see you in the member list18:47
clarkbpatcable: but maybe that takes time to sync with the db?18:47
patcableclarkb: I was trying this yesterday18:48
clarkbpatcable: but you did sign up at https://www.openstack.org/join/register ?18:48
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patcableclarkb: yep18:48
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clarkbok that worked but fails if I change my email addr18:49
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skaI made changes to eth0 and br-ex as per the instructions in https://openstack.redhat.com/Neutron_with_existing_external_network18:49
clarkbso two theories. first is some potential sync delay. Or that the keys don't match18:50
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stupidnicska: what you want to do is move the IP address from the interface to the bridge (br-ex), but since this is a remote instance you have to make sure you have everything up and in order before you do that.18:50
stupidnicAlso adding AWS into the mix makes things a bit more obtuse so I am not sure what else is required to make AWS happy18:50
patcableclarkb: if the sync delay is >12 hours, im confused18:51
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patcableclarkb: also, i use my email address to sign in to both accounts, and they are the same18:51
skastupidnic: I agree.18:51
clarkbpatcable: I would doulbe check that the preferred email at https://review.openstack.org/#/settings/contact matches your primary email address at https://www.openstack.org/profile/18:51
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patcableclarkb: it does18:51
clarkbpatcable: well gerrit's preffered email is potentially different18:51
clarkbpatcable: by default mine is (so it was easy to test that it fails when it is different)18:51
stupidnicska: did you move over the MAC address as well?18:52
patcableclarkb: there is only one address in there18:52
stupidnicI don't know how AWS handles IP assignments or what sort of checks they have in place18:52
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patcableclarkb: im gonna try and add a new one, remove the old, re-add the old and see what happens18:52
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patcableclarkb: hmm, not quite sure how to do that either18:53
clarkbpatcable: you signed up to the foundation yesterday?18:53
patcableclarkb: indeed, while trying to figure this out18:53
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skastupidnic: I thought i got it all correct...18:54
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skaMaybe AWS doesn't like to be booted statically?18:54
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clarkbpatcable: you can add email addresses at https://review.openstack.org/#/settings/contact18:54
clarkbpatcable: that is independent of updating contact info18:54
stupidnicska: I can't see why that would be a requirement18:54
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patcableclarkb: yeah, i was hoping to switch them around and see if that would fix anything but never mind18:55
patcableclarkb: anyways, it doesnt work, and its not really clear how to fix this issue18:55
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clarkbpatcable: also if you give me our gerrit account number which can be found at https://review.openstack.org/#/settings/ I can at least poke at the gerrit side18:55
clarkbpatcable: well trying to debug that now :)18:55
patcableclarkb: 1409818:55
stupidnicska: did you have a hardware address in your ifcfg-eth0?18:55
clarkbbut 99% of the time this is a key mismatch between your gerrit preferred email and foundation profile18:55
patcableclarkb: they are absolutely the same18:56
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clarkbpatcable: I have pinged the foundation side too so that the info on that side can be double checked19:00
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patcableclarkb: how should I have submitted this issue? because that part isnt clear to me either...19:00
reedpatcable, I'm checking the details... hang on19:00
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clarkbpatcable: IRC is good as this tends to be a thing where interactive communication is useful19:01
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reedpatcable, I've checked and you have an account on openstack.org but you're not a member of openstack foundaiton19:02
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patcablereed: I logged in and the button i have is "revoke my openstack foundation membership"19:03
reedpatcable, unfortunately there is no UI yet for you to become a member, there is a workaround though...19:03
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patcableor rather, "Resign Membership"19:03
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reedpatcable, oh, that is very weird... you're not a member in the database though ...19:03
ranger81where is the rabbitmq configuration file in openstack controller? I don't see any config file under /etc/rabbitmq19:03
patcablereed: that seems to imply that i am a member19:03
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patcablereed: though i suppose its a problem that http://www.openstack.org/community/members/profile/25198 does not exist when i click "view my public profile"19:04
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patcablereed: if i resign my membership and sign back up again would that fix things?19:05
reedpatcable, let's try a simple thing:19:05
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reedpatcable, add a comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-org/+bug/1317957 and say "I agree to the terms stated on https://www.openstack.org/join/register, I want to register as an Individual Member of the OpenStack Foundation"19:06
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reedpatcable, I'll simply change your status on the backend19:06
reedpatcable, we'll investigate later what happened19:06
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patcablereed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-org/+bug/1317957/comments/6119:07
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reedpatcable, ok, thanks, I've changed your status. Now you should be able to edit details on gerrit19:08
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skastupidnic: I think so.. yes.19:09
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patcablereed: success, finally. thanks!19:09
patcablereed, clarkb - thanks for your help!19:10
reedpatcable, sorry for the trouble, we're working on a better system19:10
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patcablereed: it happens. perhaps putting some context on the error would help others who run into this19:12
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reedpatcable, yes, that and more is on the way19:13
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patcablereed: since you've been helpful for this... you wouldn't happen to have any information on who the POC for legal related issues are? need to have $work sign the CCLA and i imagine our legal folks will want a name/phone/address to use19:15
reedpatcable, I have just responded to your request for the printable CCLA, I can give you some answers19:16
stupidnicska: maybe move that from the eth0 to the ex-br interface instead19:16
patcablereed: aha, neat19:17
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reedpatcable, your lawyers can write to communitymngr@openstack.org and one of us will respond or forward to legal19:17
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patcablereed: sounds good. I used the PO/phone i found on the website. I'll advise email is the best way.19:18
patcablePO Box*19:18
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skastupidnic: I did,, I'll try again.19:18
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stupidnicska: if you did then I don't know what the issue was19:19
stupidnicclearly AWS is doing some balck mojo on their end19:19
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skastupidnic: actually thsese instances start out with DHCP interfaces..19:20
skaMaybe I can't force it to be static...19:20
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patcablereed: thanks for your help!19:20
reedpatcable, for sure, i'm here most of the time :) (pacific)19:20
Sam-I-Amranger81: hi19:21
skastupidnic: I know its quirky to do this, but we don't have much other resources in house.19:21
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ranger81Sam-I-Am: I need to connect to rabbitmq remotely. It seems I need to change rabbitmq config as per this doc - https://www.rabbitmq.com/access-control.html19:22
ranger81Sam-I-Am: but in openstack node, I don't see a config file for rabbitmq19:23
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Sam-I-Amthe rabbit client config happens in the service config files (like nova.conf)19:25
Sam-I-Amthe rabbit server doesnt really have much config except changing the guest password. should work out of the box19:25
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stupidnicSo it looks like my network node isn't getting the GRE key that my compute nodes are using. I can see the general broadcast GRE key (tun_id=0xfdf) in table 3, but not the one my instance is using. Does anybody know what handles that on the network node?19:26
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ranger81Sam-I-Am: I will check nova configuration if there is rabbitmq configuration19:28
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Marcossee you all later19:30
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skaWhat VPS service would be easiest to setup a Packstack within a VPC (private network) environment? AWS is not working for us.19:41
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vilobhmmhi is there a way to track which vm’s are marked as active but are not actively being used by the user/consumer ?19:44
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vilobhmmor to put it more precisely “With nova is there a way to track which vm’s are marked as ‘active’ but are not actively being used by the user/consumer ? “19:47
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ranger81Sam-I-Am: If neutron tables are not getting created after starting the service, where should I start debugging?20:04
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Sam-I-Amranger81: which distro/release?20:10
ranger81ubuntu/Juno20:10
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Sam-I-Amdid you do the neutron-db-manage stuff?20:14
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ranger81I dont find that step. Can you please point me to the document?20:17
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Sam-I-Amranger81: http://docs.openstack.org/juno/install-guide/install/apt/content/neutron-controller-node.html20:27
Sam-I-Am"to finalize installation"20:27
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ranger81thanks Sam-I-Am21:09
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jasonsbi got myself into a pickle today21:28
jasonsbedited sudoers file and added a syntax error21:29
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jasonsbdiscovered it after some time and restored it to normal, but not before adding a netowrk and some vm's21:29
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jasonsbi wasn't able to recover to get back to a working system.  i eventually had to delete the VM's and network21:30
jasonsbdeleting ovs db and reboots didn't fix it21:30
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qhartmanmore experimenting with live migrations with ceph-based volumes backing my vms21:43
qhartmanI setup the config to allow for block-based live migrations21:43
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qhartmanrunning a test migration, and my storage network quite busy copying something (presumably the image) around, but nothing is landing on the target node in question21:44
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qhartmanso it's like it's going out of and then immediately back into ceph21:44
qhartmanwhich seems like a weird behavior, but ok21:44
qhartmanI was hoping it would just try to do the block-level migration on the few K of data that lives in the instances directory21:45
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qhartmanbut that seems to not be the case. It seems libvirtd doesn't undertand how to deal with ceph-backed vms in this case (or I'm doing something wrong)21:46
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qhartmanso, two questions, does anyone have a pointer to docs that describe setting up live migrations with ceph?21:48
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qhartmanand, if not, I'm planning on doing a "normal" NFS-based shared storage setup for my /var/lib/nova/instances directory. Are there any gotchas to applying that to an existing cluster with VMs that need to be kept, but can tolerate downtime?21:50
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terjeI have that working qhartman22:11
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qhartmanwhat live migration method are you useing terje ?22:12
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qhartmanAnd you're using ceph-back cinder volumes?22:12
terjeyes22:12
terjeI set it up a while bac k22:13
terjeI'm going to spin up a test scenerio and see if it still works.22:13
terjesec.22:13
qhartmancool, thanks22:13
qhartmanWhat I have going now seems to be "working" but it's also doing a ton on needles data moving22:14
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terjeyea, mine is really quick - like drops a few poings and that's it22:14
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terjepauses it on one compute and starts it on another22:14
qhartmanyeah, I just managed to migrate a running instance and kept a shell open pinging a remote host the whole time22:15
qhartmanand I can't find the place where it cut over in the ping stream22:15
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qhartmanbut it took quite awhile22:15
qhartmanand my ceph cluster went kinda nuts while it was going22:16
qhartmanas if it were copying the volume around22:16
terjeso you're saying it's working22:16
terje:P22:16
qhartmanyeah (first time it has worked, actually), but the data copying seems excessive22:16
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qhartmanas if I've done something that "works" but is still wrong22:17
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terjeso, are you just doing: nova live-migration <yourvm> compute-0-1.local22:18
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terjeor whatever your compute node is?22:18
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qhartmanyeah. Currently, I'm also passing --block-migrate since I don't have shared storage for my /var/lib/nova/instances dir22:19
terjeah22:19
terjethat's why mine is so quick22:19
terjeok, so did you boot from volume?22:19
coredumpSo I had to change an endpoint for a cinder shared mount, and now cinder mounts the new one and the old one22:19
qhartmanyeah22:19
coredumpwhere are those share infmration stored so I can delete the old one?22:20
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JayJCan any one tell me why creating an instance with different flavors does not automatically resize the volumes? I created a 10G Ubuntu based on the instructions provided by the doc. When I create an instance with 100G ephemeral disk, my volumes remain 10G but fdisk does show the disk is 100G.22:20
qhartmanterje, all the volumes are in ceph, there's only a few K of data actually in the instances dir22:20
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terjeI'll have to test boot from volume and retest22:21
terjeI'm using cephfs for ephemeral disks, which works great.22:21
qhartmanJayJ, you have to resize the partition. Depending on how the image is setup simply issuing "e2resizefs /dev/vda1" might work22:21
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qhartmanterje, I'm not using cephfs at all, jsut librbd behind cinder and libvirt and whatnot22:22
JayJqhartman: Do you run that from within the guest?22:22
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qhartmanJayJ, yes, as root22:22
JayJqhartman: trying22:22
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terjeJayJ: If you're using a 'cloud enabled' guest template, that should already be done for you.22:22
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JayJterje: With you on Ceph. I've the same setup. Ephemeral disk on Ceph. One huge issue we are facing is the performance of Windows Guests. Baremetal windows to Ceph backed Windows is 10 times slower22:23
terjetjat22:24
qhartmanJayJ, I got that command wrong, it's resize2fs22:24
terjethat's probably something you can tune.22:24
terjesomewhere22:24
qhartmanare your ceph nodes storing their journals on SSD?22:24
JayJterje: Cloud enabled you meant to say install cloud-init? I've done that22:24
terjeours are, yes.22:24
qhartmanNo, JayJ , are your ceph-nodes saving hteir journals on SSD?22:25
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JayJqhartman: resizefs wont work on the /boot volume, right22:25
qhartmanJayJ, it can safely resize live mounted ext volumes just fine22:25
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qhartmanagain, depending on the image you used, you might have to go through a partition deletion / recreation dance22:26
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JayJqhartman: Ceph cluster: currently have 4 hosts each with 4TB SATA drives and 2 SSDs for journals22:27
terjeJayJ: http://docs.openstack.org/image-guide/content/ch_openstack_images.html22:27
JayJqhartman: I know at 2 SSDs for that many OSDs is not a good idea but that's what we got for now22:27
terjethere are some other things you need (I think) in addition to cloud-init22:27
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ranger81ERROR (ConnectionError): HTTPConnectionPool(host='172.16.106.142', port=8774): Max retries exceeded with url: /v2/ffb8d5db5e7242888a8b22bab34ebb3e/servers/detail (Caused by <class 'socket.error'>: [Errno 111] Connection refused)22:27
ranger81root@openstack:/home/zerostack# service nova-api status --debug22:27
ranger81I get this error when I run nova list -22:28
qhartmanJayJ, how many OSDs and placement groups?22:28
qhartmanhow many of the sata driveS?22:28
terjeplacement group modifications made things a lot faster for us.22:28
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terjewe had too few.22:28
qhartmanterje, yeah, the defaults are way too conservative22:28
JayJterje: Thanks for the link.. looking at it now22:28
ranger81nova management is running in a server different than other controller service22:28
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JayJqhartman: 4k PGs22:28
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JayJqhartman: rados bench gives an average of 550MB/s throughput22:29
qhartmanI'm running 8 hosts, each with 3 1TB disks (1 OSD each) and an SSD that is both the boot volume for the node and the journal home. The performance is quite good.22:29
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qhartmanIn Linux at least, My understanding is that with how windows does IO there are certain tweaks you need to make to get it play nice22:30
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terjeqhartman: you might like cephfs..22:31
shane____is there any way to override the .novalocal domain being passed in from dhcp on a *per tenant* basis ?22:31
JayJqhartman: I woudn't put boot volume on a SSD22:31
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qhartmanterje, yeah, I've heard mixed reports about reliability though22:32
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terjeit's a lot better than it use to be.22:33
qhartmanJayJ, oh? why not? it's reliable, and the host creates minimal IO of it's own.22:33
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qhartmanterje, Yeah, I'm considering it for the shared-storage requirement for the faster live migration22:33
terjewe really don't have any problems at all with it22:33
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qhartmanterje, also considering an RBD volume exported via NFS. It's convoluted, but it's more of a known quantity.22:34
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JayJqhartman: My understanding is SSDs die faster. Second, for Ceph journals you want to optimize the SSDs for sequential writes. With OS runing on SSD that changes the scenario22:34
terjeso what you could do.. is22:35
ranger81Sam-I-Am: ERROR (ConnectionError): HTTPConnectionPool(host='172.16.106.142', port=8774): Max retries exceeded with url: /v2/ffb8d5db5e7242888a8b22bab34ebb3e/servers/detail (Caused by <class 'socket.error'>: [Errno 111] Connection refused)22:35
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ranger81Sam-I-Am: I get this error while executing nova commands22:35
terjeqhartman: so, how would that work?22:35
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qhartmanJayJ, The reports of SSD poor endurance are greatly exaggerated: http://techreport.com/review/27062/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-only-two-remain-after-1-5pb22:36
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qhartmanJayJ, maybe once upon a time it mattered, but I don't really think it does anymore, unless you are just straight up streaming data onto the drive 24x722:36
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qhartmanJayJ, I'd wager that the impact of sequential vs non-sequential writes othe SSDs to be minimal.22:37
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JayJqhartman: You maybe right but even then, what do you gain by putting OS on an SSD?22:37
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qhartmanIt has to live somewhere, and on a 128GB SSD, where only 30GB  are needed for journals, I've plenty of leftover space22:37
terjeyou gain not having to burn a SATA drive for the os22:38
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terjeyou dont' want to run the OS and an osd on the same drive..22:38
Sam-I-Amranger81: so nova api isnt running on the controller?22:38
qhartmanterje, I'm imagining moutning the RBD on one of my control nodes and exporting the NFS from there to the compute nodes to mount for the instances dir22:38
qhartmanterje, also that.22:38
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ranger81Sam-I-Am: No, nova-api and other nova services are running on a different server.22:39
terjeqhartman: so how big do you imagine that rbd volume will be?22:39
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qhartmanmy hope is that since we are using 100% ceph-backed volumes (no ephemeral or local storage at all) the io and space needs of /instances will be small enough to not matter that it's such a.... dumb layout22:39
JayJterje: Agree. I got 2 250G dives and RAID1 them. If you are space contraint then that might not be an option (I get that)22:40
qhartmanJayJ, yeah, my nodes only have 4 SATA bays22:40
Sam-I-Amranger81: did you use the correct IPs for the endpoints?22:40
ranger81Sam-I-Am: my nova.conf is copied here - http://pastebin.com/fge64YYp22:40
JayJqhartman: that makes sense then22:40
Sam-I-Amthe endpoint IPs in keystone need to reflect the location of the services22:40
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terjeqhartman: you might like cephfs :)22:41
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terjeI have a cluster with like.. 160 VM's or more. Ephemeral disks based on cephfs22:41
qhartmanterje, heh, you keep saying that. and I JUST cleaned out the remnants of my unused MDS yesterday....22:41
ranger81Sam-I-Am: that could be the problem. Let me delete endpoint and re-create with correct Ip address22:42
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terjedeveloeprs use it daily (as do I) with like22:42
terjeIDE's and you name it22:42
terjevery solid for us..22:42
qhartmandoesn't the mds become a bottleneck in that case, or does it act as more of an orchestrator?22:42
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qhartmanand the transfer are more direct?22:42
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terjewell, I don't think there's a lot of traffic to the MDS22:42
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terjesince there's only like 160 files it actually cares about22:43
terjeif I had a million small files, then probably it would matter22:43
terjeit's fuse based, so transfers are done in parallel22:43
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terje(user land)22:44
terjebut to each his own.. I've been happy with it is all22:44
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qhartmanterje, sure, makes sense22:45
qhartmanIf this live migration were acting more like how I expect it to (or I had more information to guide my expectations) I would be pretty thrilled too22:46
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terjeso, I've been testing my live migration22:49
terjeand I drop 1 packet.22:49
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terjein the transfer22:49
qhartmanterje, nice22:49
terjeI'll tell ya what though, using cephfs which I just remembered22:49
terjeis that when a deep scrub kicks in22:49
terjeperformance goes all to hell22:50
qhartmanyeah, I think that's generally true of ceph22:50
terjeIf I could somehow get boot to volume to be like, the default in OS that might be the answer right there.22:50
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terjethe issue is that qcow's have to be converted to raw in order to boot from volume.22:50
terjeI'm not sure all the issues there22:50
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qhartmanyeah, I'm using the raw images as well, seems ok22:51
terjeuntil you have a guest VM with a 200G root partition22:51
terjecause in raw, that whole thing gets written out22:51
terjeto disk22:51
qhartmantrue22:52
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qhartmanthe only problem I've notice with large disks and raw is that it takes awhile to create them22:52
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qhartmanlong enough that horizon likes to timeout22:52
qhartmanso I jsut create the volume first, then connect to it when creating the instance22:52
qhartmanworks around it ok22:53
qhartmanonce running it seems to work fine22:53
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terjeright, I also imagine that the 2nd time you boot the instance, it comes right up because it's already been copied to the compute node.22:53
qhartmanterje, well, in my case, it never gets copied (except during this dumb live migration process, apparently)22:54
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terjelol22:54
terjeoh yea. :)22:54
qhartmanI have cinder and glance both living in ceph22:54
terjegotcha22:54
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ranger81Sam-I-Am: thanks, that solved the problem22:56
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Sam-I-Amranger81: cool23:01
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ranger81To install and configure the Compute hypervisor components23:27
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ranger81Sam-I-Am: Here in this sdoc - http://docs.openstack.org/juno/install-guide/install/apt/content/ch_nova.html, controller in section "To install and configure the compute hypervisor components" which server controller refer to?23:28
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ranger81Sam-I-Am: Does it refer to the server where nova-api is installed and running?23:29
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Sam-I-Amuhhh, depends on what you put where23:30
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ranger81Sam-I-Am: What should be my_ip in server where nova-api is running?23:32
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Sam-I-Amits the IP of wherever that particular service is running23:34
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Sam-I-Amyou will have a slightly different nova.conf in every place you're running a nova component23:34
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ranger81Sam-I-Am: This guide does not say anything about compute_driver variable required in nova.conf - http://docs.openstack.org/juno/install-guide/install/apt/content/ch_nova.html23:45
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ranger81Sam-I-Am: nova service-list shows all the service is down. Am I missing something?23:48
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Sam-I-Amyou shouldnt have to set the compute_driver23:48
Sam-I-Amwhat said that?23:48
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Sam-I-Amranger81: gotta go for a bit. back later.23:49
ranger81I hit this error - https://openstack.redhat.com/forum/discussion/242/nova-conf-compute_driver-setting/p123:49
ranger81Sam-I-Am: ok no problem23:49
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