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| codebauss | anyone have info on setting up a multi-node lab using VMs | 01:38 |
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| codebauss | centos with kvm/libvirt | 01:39 |
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| SamYaple | codebauss: I currently do that. What info are you looking for | 01:41 |
| codebauss | Hey Sam! | 01:41 |
| codebauss | Melvin from RS :) | 01:41 |
| SamYaple | Hello! | 01:41 |
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| codebauss | We were in class together. Issue I am having is pinging VMs | 01:42 |
| SamYaple | I remember. I dont know many Melvins. | 01:42 |
| SamYaple | What specifically is the problem with pining them? | 01:42 |
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| ska | What does % mean in context of Compute API? | 02:04 |
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| ska | What does % mean in context of Compute API REST terminology? | 02:04 |
| SamYaple | ska are you tlaking about the endpoint? | 02:04 |
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| ska | SamYaple: yes.. I can't find documents that explain that syntax. I think it means "current tenant_id" | 02:04 |
| SamYaple | If so that is a way to say this is a variable "%(tenant_id)" gets replaced with your tenant id | 02:05 |
| SamYaple | you can also use $ instaed of % | 02:05 |
| SamYaple | like bash | 02:05 |
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| ska | In my REST call this is valid: http://192.168.1.4:8774/v2/092a5a1c14454633bccfac6e9cd26946/os-hypervisors/%/servers | 02:05 |
| SamYaple | Oh that is different | 02:06 |
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| SamYaple | I would have to look it up | 02:06 |
| SamYaple | Check the api docs, do you know where those are? | 02:06 |
| ska | SamYaple: I'm having a bit of a time finding docs for that. | 02:06 |
| SamYaple | ska: http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref.html | 02:07 |
| ska | I can't find it there. | 02:08 |
| SamYaple | its there ska | 02:09 |
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| SamYaple | compute api v2 extentions | 02:09 |
| SamYaple | under the "Hypervisors" section | 02:09 |
| SamYaple | what that is say is the % is a substitution that matches all hypervisors | 02:09 |
| SamYaple | you could do "http://192.168.1.4:8774/v2/092a5a1c14454633bccfac6e9cd26946/os-hypervisors/compute01/servers" | 02:10 |
| SamYaple | if you had a hypervisor named compute01 | 02:10 |
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| ska | SamYaple: ok, its not in http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2-ext.html | 02:12 |
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| hachque | i'm having some trouble getting networking from my VM instances out to the external network | 02:12 |
| SamYaple | it is. im looking at it | 02:12 |
| hachque | I believe it's because the openstack host is a VM itself (nested virtualization), and that the network looks something like this: | 02:12 |
| hachque | [ [ [ VM instance (10.0.0.2) ] -> 10.0.0.1 (neutron router internal IP) -> 192.168.1.209 (neutron router external IP) -> OpenStack (192.168.1.201) ] -> Host hardware (192.168.1.184) -> 192.168.1.0/24 -> 192.168.1.1 -> internet | 02:12 |
| hachque | the VM instance can ping 192.168.1.209 but it can't go any further | 02:13 |
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| hachque | it just gets destination host unreachable from 192.168.1.209 for anything else | 02:13 |
| ska | SamYaple: I'm blind then.. | 02:13 |
| hachque | google doesn't seem to be much help in this scenario unfortunately :( | 02:13 |
| SamYaple | ska: it doesnt speak about '5' specifically. it says '{hypervisor_hostname}' | 02:13 |
| SamYaple | thats a variable | 02:13 |
| SamYaple | s/5/%/ | 02:14 |
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| hachque | when I ping 192.168.1.201 from the VM instance, I see the packets on 192.168.1.201 with tcpdump | 02:17 |
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| hachque | however, 192.168.1.201 doesn't show it sending a response | 02:17 |
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| ska | SamYaple: I see that. Is % unique to this API? | 02:17 |
| hachque | http://paste.openstack.org/show/141536/ | 02:17 |
| ska | Or is it part of REST in general? | 02:17 |
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| hachque | when I ping 192.168.1.184, I see the ICMP packets on 201, but not 184 with tcpdump | 02:18 |
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| SamYaple | ska: I am not sure. I am not a huge api guy. I just use it from time to time. I am sure the REST specs are floating around the interwebs | 02:18 |
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| hachque | and when I ping 192.168.1.120 (a machine residing on the actual 192.168.1.0/24 network), i see the packets on 201, but not 184 or 120 with tcpdump | 02:19 |
| hachque | so I think I have two problems; packets don't seem to be going beyond the openstack instance, and the openstack instance won't respond with ICMP even when it sees the packets | 02:19 |
| hachque | in my case, the openstack VM has two ethernet cards (defined in libvirt), which are both bridged to br0 on the host machine | 02:20 |
| hachque | and br0 connects to enp4s0 (which is attached to the physical network) | 02:20 |
| hachque | ens3 is the admin ethernet for the openstack VM (which I can SSH onto fine) | 02:21 |
| hachque | ens7 is connected to openvswitch | 02:21 |
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| hachque | this is the result of listing bridges and ports on the VM instance http://paste.openstack.org/show/141549/ | 02:22 |
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| hachque | even when I attach a floating IP, the TCP dump still shows the ICMP coming from the private IP address | 02:25 |
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| hachque | although interestingly, when I ping 201 itself, then I see an ICMP coming from 209 (the floating IP) | 02:26 |
| hachque | but not when I ping 120 | 02:26 |
| hachque | nor when i ping 184 | 02:26 |
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| SamYaple | hachque: can instances talk to each other? | 02:28 |
| hachque | last time I checked, yes | 02:28 |
| hachque | but I can check again | 02:28 |
| hachque | (they talk on 10.0.0.0/8) | 02:28 |
| SamYaple | So they just cant talk out? | 02:28 |
| hachque | correct | 02:28 |
| SamYaple | your "ext-net" is in what range? | 02:28 |
| hachque | they can see the "other side" of the router that connects 10.0.0.0/8 and 192.168.1.0/24 | 02:28 |
| hachque | 192.168.1.0/24 is the external network, 10.0.0.0/8 is the internal | 02:29 |
| SamYaple | Can they ping external resources at all? | 02:29 |
| hachque | they can't ping beyond the other side of the router (192.168.1.209) | 02:29 |
| hachque | anything closer to the internet in this diagram: | 02:30 |
| hachque | [ [ [ VM instance (10.0.0.2) ] -> 10.0.0.1 (neutron router internal IP) -> 192.168.1.209 (neutron router external IP) -> OpenStack (192.168.1.201) ] -> Host hardware (192.168.1.184) -> 192.168.1.0/24 -> 192.168.1.1 -> internet | 02:30 |
| hachque | they can't ping | 02:30 |
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| SamYaple | so they can ping the 192.168.1.209? | 02:30 |
| hachque | (the router external IP is actually 192.168.1.210) | 02:30 |
| hachque | but yes, they can ping 192.168.1.210 | 02:31 |
| SamYaple | can you ping 192.168.1.1 from inside the router-namespace? | 02:31 |
| hachque | what do you mean? | 02:31 |
| hachque | if you mean ping "from the router", i've been trying to find out how to do that | 02:31 |
| hachque | with no luck | 02:31 |
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| SamYaple | the routernamespace is on your "network" node. Whereever your l3-agent is | 02:31 |
| SamYaple | you can see it with `ip netns` | 02:31 |
| hachque | i see qrouter-d7d2e06d-9002-465e-982d-94c002e57547 and qdhcp-b5120985-21f0-4840-854d-50c103b026c5 | 02:32 |
| hachque | the l3-agent resides on the OpenStack machine | 02:32 |
| hachque | (along with everything else) | 02:32 |
| hachque | SamYaple: http://paste.openstack.org/show/141555/ | 02:33 |
| hachque | it doesn't look like the router can ping 192.168.1.1 | 02:33 |
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| SamYaple | Thats where the issue is | 02:34 |
| hachque | http://paste.openstack.org/show/141556/ is the route table | 02:34 |
| hachque | i can't even ping 10.0.0.5 from the router | 02:35 |
| SamYaple | So from inside the router namespace I believe you will be leaving out of br-ex. What does that setup look like on the network node (`ovs-vsctl show`) | 02:36 |
| hachque | http://paste.openstack.org/show/141557/ | 02:36 |
| SamYaple | hachque: ens7 connects to what? | 02:37 |
| hachque | ens7 is the ethernet on the OpenStack VM | 02:37 |
| hachque | which points to br0 on the physical host | 02:37 |
| hachque | which is connected to enp4s0 | 02:37 |
| hachque | which is the physical ethernet card | 02:37 |
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| hachque | enp4s0 is 192.168.1.184 | 02:38 |
| hachque | br0 (on the physical host) is 192.168.1.108 | 02:38 |
| hachque | br-ex doesn't have an IP address | 02:38 |
| hachque | neither does ens7 (presumably because openvswitch owns it) | 02:38 |
| hachque | the interfaces I have on OpenStack are http://paste.openstack.org/show/141558/ | 02:39 |
| hachque | ens3 (slot=0x03) works fine because that's what I SSH with | 02:39 |
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| SamYaple | if you put a an unused ip on br-ex in the 192.168.1.024 range, can you ping out? | 02:39 |
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| hachque | doesn't look like it | 02:42 |
| hachque | http://paste.openstack.org/show/141564/ | 02:42 |
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| hachque | i can ping 192.168.1.55 from other machines (120, 184 and 201) | 02:43 |
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| SamYaple | hachque: im not sure, you have a tricky setup. I would track down that problem first. your other stuff looks good | 02:43 |
| hachque | the router pretty much doesn't work at all | 02:44 |
| hachque | it can only ping it's own IP addresses (192.168.1.210 and 10.0.0.1) | 02:44 |
| hachque | but can't ping anything either side of it | 02:44 |
| hachque | i might try taking 10.0.0.0/8 out of it and attaching VMs directly to the 192.168.1.0/24 subnet | 02:45 |
| hachque | then i don't need the router in the middle | 02:45 |
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| hachque | SamYaple: thanks for all your help | 02:47 |
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| SamYaple | hachque: not a problem. I dont think your networking is the issue. gotta be the bridge setup | 02:49 |
| hachque | on the physical host -> openstack ? | 02:50 |
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| hachque | or the openvswitch bridges? | 02:50 |
| hachque | i'm not sure what happens when you have a libvirt VM with two interfaces attached to the same bridge | 02:51 |
| hachque | and given openvswitch is sending raw packets to one of them | 02:51 |
| hachque | it's quite possible that that's messing everything up | 02:51 |
| hachque | but that doesn't explain why the router can't ping 10.0.0.5 | 02:51 |
| SamYaple | hachque: does the 10.0.0.0 ntwork have a port attached to the router? | 02:55 |
| hachque | the router has a fixed IP of 10.0.0.1 interface (198feec9) | 02:56 |
| hachque | with status Active | 02:56 |
| hachque | it also has 192.168.1.210 interface (414bf435), but that has status down | 02:56 |
| hachque | which i haven't noticed until now (logging into the dashboard as admin) | 02:57 |
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| SamYaple | status down is fine. normal | 02:58 |
| hachque | okay | 02:58 |
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| hachque | when i log in as admin, and i attach a VM directly to the lara-lan external network | 03:00 |
| hachque | it doesn't get an IP | 03:00 |
| hachque | (despite openstack giving it 192.168.1.212) | 03:00 |
| hachque | and no routes get configured | 03:01 |
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| hachque | even when I do set the IP and route | 03:01 |
| hachque | it can't ping 192.168.1.1 | 03:01 |
| hachque | it can ping 192.168.1.210 which is the router external IP | 03:01 |
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| hachque | packets do go from 192.168.1.212 to 192.168.1.210 when using tcpdump on the openstack machine | 03:03 |
| hachque | but they don't go back | 03:03 |
| hachque | gah | 03:03 |
| hachque | networking | 03:03 |
| hachque | how is it this difficult | 03:03 |
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| hachque | how are machines on the external network expected to know to route packets through to openstack? | 03:04 |
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| SamYaple | hachque: well if you were to tcpdump on the interface you would probably see the external traffic leaving. You bridge upstream is dropping it | 03:05 |
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| SamYaple | outside of openstack | 03:05 |
| hachque | okay | 03:05 |
| hachque | thanks | 03:06 |
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| hachque | i really wish there were better diagnostic tools for this kind of stuff :/ | 03:07 |
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| hachque | SamYaple: ens7 (the ethernet that openvswitch is attached to) should be reporting "Down" right? from ip link? | 03:15 |
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| SamYaple | hachque: not from ip link | 03:15 |
| SamYaple | from neutron port-list it isnt uncommon | 03:15 |
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| hachque | http://paste.openstack.org/show/141584/ is what I see; ens7 shows down | 03:16 |
| hachque | as does ovs-system and qbr63fa97de-d5 (but i think that VM is off) | 03:16 |
| hachque | i see my ICMP packets on qbrd0188159-07, but none of the other interfaces | 03:16 |
| hachque | IT'S WORKING | 03:17 |
| hachque | :O | 03:17 |
| hachque | all i had to do was | 03:17 |
| hachque | ip link set ens7 up | 03:17 |
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| SamYaple | hachque: what distro is that? | 03:42 |
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| hachque | SamYaple: OpenSUSE | 03:43 |
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| hachque | the network.service doesn't play nice with openvswitch | 03:43 |
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| Marcos | good night everyone... see you later | 04:18 |
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| hachque | what part of neutron runs dnsmasq? | 05:07 |
| hachque | my instances can't ping the DNS server, and i can't seem to locate the dnsmasq process anywhere | 05:07 |
| codebauss | i believe the dhcp-agent | 05:07 |
| hachque | thanks | 05:08 |
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| hachque | hmm okay | 05:12 |
| hachque | i'm getting host-10-0-0-3.openstacklocal can't find google.com: Query refused | 05:12 |
| hachque | so the DNS server is running | 05:13 |
| hachque | it's just refusing requests for domains :/ | 05:13 |
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| hachque | okay | 05:21 |
| hachque | i had to add dnsmasq_dns_servers = 8.8.8.8,8.8.4.4 to the neutron configuration | 05:22 |
| hachque | even though that option isn't documented :P | 05:22 |
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| SamYaple | hachque: you can set the dns servers through the `nuetron subnet-update` command | 05:31 |
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| hachque | SamYaple: oh okay, thanks | 06:19 |
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| tchaypo | g'mornin | 06:43 |
| tchaypo | thanks hachque, I’ve run across that before and just fixed it by hand-munging the dnsmasq.conf | 06:44 |
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| NoNMaDDeN | hi all | 06:58 |
| SamYaple | hello NoNMaDDeN tchaypo | 06:58 |
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| hachque | is there a way to change the volume create timeout? | 09:24 |
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| hachque | on my hardware it takes around 25 minutes to copy 30Gb | 09:25 |
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| hachque | so the 216 second timeout is way too short | 09:25 |
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| hachque | well I just set block_device_allocate_retries to 1000 so hopefully that should be enough | 09:34 |
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| hachque | does anyone know if ceph would provide a performance boost to creating volumes from snapshots in openstack? | 10:31 |
| hachque | I don't have a particularly high disk performance (it takes 25 minutes to copy 30GB) which means instances take a very long time to start | 10:32 |
| hachque | so i'm wondering whether ceph can provide "copy on write" for the "create volume from snapshot" operation | 10:32 |
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| SamYaple | hachque: it does | 10:36 |
| SamYaple | as well as glance->ephemeral in juno (bug in Icehouse prevents this) | 10:37 |
| SamYaple | snapshots are pretty much instant as well. | 10:37 |
| SamYaple | All around great | 10:37 |
| hachque | SamYaple: awesome | 10:38 |
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| hachque | that sounds like what I need | 10:39 |
| hachque | given its copying 99% of the same stuff when spinning up new VMs | 10:39 |
| SamYaple | indeed. it is great | 10:39 |
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| hachque | SamYaple: I'm assuming it works on single machine setups? | 10:40 |
| SamYaple | ceph typically recommends 3 nodes... it _should_ work? | 10:40 |
| SamYaple | its not going to work well | 10:40 |
| hachque | in terms of performance you mean? | 10:41 |
| SamYaple | my setups that have worked well are 3 "controller" nodes running all of the services including the ceph mons, then storage nodes and computes as needed | 10:41 |
| SamYaple | hachque: im honestly not even sure it will work | 10:41 |
| SamYaple | your cluster wont ever be healthy | 10:41 |
| hachque | hmm okay | 10:42 |
| hachque | I'll have to look at it more | 10:43 |
| SamYaple | if this is just testing, i would start looking at doing a full libvirt deploy | 10:43 |
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| SamYaple | 3 controllers, n computes and n storage | 10:43 |
| SamYaple | Then you can have a real cluster, albeit super slow | 10:44 |
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| hachque | SamYaple: its primarily so I can use it to allocate and run build agents | 10:47 |
| hachque | but of course I want the build agents to start faster than 25 minutes | 10:47 |
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| SamYaple | hachque: Im not sure I follow. what is the goal here? | 10:49 |
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| hachque | SamYaple: for each build job I want to spin up a fresh VM and run the command (terminating the VM at the end of each build) | 10:50 |
| hachque | at the moment i'm trying to set OpenStack up so I can spin up / shutdown VMs reasonably quickly | 10:50 |
| hachque | i can't do it with just libvirt itself, because that doesn't provide an appropriate network stack to determine the VM's IP address | 10:51 |
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| hachque | the problem I'm having is that with volume copy, it copies the entire LVM volume using dd, which is slow | 10:53 |
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| SamYaple | So you are trying to get a base openstack install on a single machine to essentially just manage libvirt on that machine? | 10:53 |
| hachque | yes | 10:53 |
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| SamYaple | Any solution here will be ugly | 10:54 |
| hachque | well that, and i want to provide openstack and / or libvirt support for the build server i'm using | 10:54 |
| SamYaple | But you could run a single node ceph like that. | 10:54 |
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| rotbeard | we just think about a PoC where openstack compute and ceph OSDs are on the same baremetal. for smaller environments | 10:57 |
| hachque | yeah i realise the resources on the box are going to be constrained | 10:57 |
| hachque | there's only 2 CPUs and 8GB of RAM, so i'm going to be limited in how much I can run concurrently anyway | 10:57 |
| SamYaple | rotbeard: that would work. but all on a single host... | 10:58 |
| SamYaple | and hachque 2 cpu and 8gb... | 10:58 |
| rotbeard | not the best idea imho ;) | 10:58 |
| SamYaple | youre going to chew up all your reseach on infrastructure | 10:59 |
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| hachque | well primarily I'm doing this because it's far cheaper than AWS (and because I already have the hardware here and running, so I might as well make use of it) | 11:01 |
| SamYaple | no i get it, but there are better ways to manage libvirt is all | 11:04 |
| rotbeard | 2 cpu and 8gb ram could be enough for ceph, if you have 10 of those boxes | 11:04 |
| SamYaple | lol rotbeard | 11:04 |
| hachque | haha oh :S | 11:04 |
| rotbeard | currently we are stripping down our big 24 disk nodes to smaller 16 disk ones... but we also had the idea to strip all down to many 8 disk nodes | 11:05 |
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| SamYaple | rotbeard: i saw some super low powered nodes in the ceph channel the other day | 11:05 |
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| rotbeard | you mean that ARM stuff? | 11:05 |
| SamYaple | yea | 11:06 |
| SamYaple | Looked pretty cool | 11:06 |
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| rotbeard | yep, I am interested in people that really use that. Because for now I can't imagine that it will be work like a charm + performance | 11:06 |
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| SamYaple | rotbeard: im looking for something that is ~16 disk. 2 for OS, 1 ss per 6 disks | 11:07 |
| SamYaple | thats my ideal node | 11:07 |
| SamYaple | get that squeezed into 2u and stack 20 of them up in a rack | 11:08 |
| SamYaple | potentially that is ~1.5PB all with SSD for writes | 11:08 |
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| rotbeard | we now use 16 bay chassis with 12 OSDs, 4 journal SSDs and 2 SSDs for OS (backed in the rear of the chassis) | 11:09 |
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| hachque | 1.5PB of SSDs o___o | 11:09 |
| hachque | i want | 11:09 |
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| SamYaple | hachque: no, 1.5PB with ssd for write journaling | 11:10 |
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| SamYaple | its still as quick as youd like, can handle 10Gbit worth of writes | 11:10 |
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| rotbeard | oh yes. we see about 1000MB/s read/write over all cluster nodes (4 of them now with 86 disks) | 11:12 |
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| SamYaple | yup yup | 11:12 |
| SamYaple | with such a small cluster youll want to really throttle your recovery writes | 11:12 |
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| rotbeard | yep, but we now spread those 4 into 8 smaller ones + will buy another 5 or 7. | 11:13 |
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| SamYaple | Cost reasons for 10Gbit means that I need to build 16disk nodes, 8 disks nodes just dont work with the cost of networking | 11:14 |
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| SamYaple | Although I suppose as it got huge it would work better. Could drop from bonded t osingle. Could stand losing a port or switch | 11:15 |
| rotbeard | we also use 2 10gbit nics w/ active/passive bond. | 11:16 |
| rotbeard | but planning to upgrade to 40gbits because those melanox switches are much more cheaper than our extreme networks ones... | 11:16 |
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| SamYaple | mmmm 40gbit | 11:17 |
| SamYaple | 5GB/s writes | 11:17 |
| SamYaple | How would your nodes support that? | 11:17 |
| hachque | 40gbit o___o | 11:17 |
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| rotbeard | SamYaple, it is just 40gbit ethernet, so all you need is to change your 10gbits pci express card to the 40gbit one | 11:19 |
| SamYaple | rotbeard: but your disks still have to absorb 40gbit potentially.... how? | 11:20 |
| rotbeard | our 12 sata disks will never use those bandwidth, but after all this 40gbit infrastructure is cheaper than our current 10gbit one. plus our proxies will benefit from that (for exporting RBDs to vmware) | 11:22 |
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| SamYaple | oh. What. I must see this. 40gbit cheaper than 10gbit sounds iffy | 11:23 |
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| rotbeard | it is melanox (40gbit) vs extreme networks (10gbit) | 11:24 |
| rotbeard | afair the extreme 48 ports 10gbit are about 10k €, the 12 port 40gbits melanox are about 3-4k €. plus you can turn the 12 ports 40gbits to 48 ports 10gbits with some special fancy cables | 11:26 |
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