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Cybodoghave I ever told  you that the anaconda installer is the worst installer for linux I have ever, ever tried to use?01:27
Cybodoghate it01:27
Cybodoghate it01:27
Cybodoghate it01:27
Cybodognow I feel better.01:27
CybodogI have just spent three hours trying to install a dual boot (with win 8) sabayon encrypted LVM system01:28
Cybodogit fails with unknown errors every single time01:28
Cybodogand this is the THIRD box I have had this issue with.01:28
CybodogI thought the old installer was bad.01:29
Cybodoggeeze.01:29
Cybodogand I like sabayon.01:29
Cybodogwhat are you supposed to do?01:29
CybodogI don't even see "LVM" as a formating option if I select an ext 4 partition and reformat it.01:30
CybodogI sure as hell don't see "format as an encrypted volume" anywhere either?01:30
Cybodogbones?  Anybody?01:30
CybodogI even ran equo install lvm2 in case that was the problem.  It was not.01:31
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Cybodogbeing as this is a laptop, encyrption is the only viable option.01:31
Cybodogremoving win 8 is not a good option, but I am starting to ponder it being as I am so frustrated.01:32
CybodogI *might* be able to install luks encryption, mount that, format that into LVMs and use that in my installation.  I am NOT a nubie unless 14 years of linux use counts.01:33
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Cybodogseriously, an installer should never be this hard.01:34
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Sam-I-Amdont use a distro with anaconda? :)01:35
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Cybodogthe problem is not anaconda01:35
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Cybodogand ahh, sabaon uses anaconda, but I can't use it to make encyrpted LVM install01:36
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Sam-I-Ami dont know what sabaon is01:36
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Cybodogcrap.  that was a nice rant, in the totally wrong space.01:36
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Cybodogsorry for the noise, this will go under my "oh crap file"01:36
Cybodogfunny01:37
CybodogOpenstack is nice ?01:37
Cybodogopenstack devs are nice devs also.01:37
Cybodogoff for the real rant.01:38
Cybodogagain, sorry for the noise.01:38
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Sam-I-Amlol01:40
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SamYapleCybodog: you ok there? Would you like to talk to someone?03:37
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SamYapleWere here for you03:38
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CybodogI would.  ohm03:38
Cybodogohm03:38
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CybodogOpenstack will come, I have a 10 node cluster set up for testing03:38
Cybodogwhich reminds me, is this the correct place for stupid openstack questions or is this just for devs?03:39
* Cybodog can do stupid.03:39
SamYapleAsk it here!03:39
Cybodogcool.  Gots nothing yet.03:40
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Cybodogplaying with network setups and such things03:40
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Cybodogis there plans for a button that says "remove node"?03:40
SamYapleCybodog: yes! but not a button03:41
Cybodogoh!  a lever!03:41
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Cybodogwhat is the plan for that SamYaple ?03:41
SamYapleHidden wall switch actually, but thats neither here nor there03:41
SamYapleThere have been some talks about ti, it will probably be a nova-manage command from what I have read.03:42
Cybodogwe wanted to pull 8 of our nodes out and discoverd there was no easy way short of shutting them off.03:42
SamYapleBeen a while since i looked at it03:42
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Cybodogsimplifies troubleshooting.03:42
SamYapleYou disable the service, drop the node, then edit the DB03:42
SamYaplethe nova-manage command would do the editing the DB part03:42
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Cybodogeasier than installing an encrypted LVM, I bet?03:42
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SamYapleThats easy, what are you talking about03:43
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Cybodogoh, my earlier rant in this channel that belonged in another03:43
Cybodogcan't get the installer to encrypt.03:44
SamYapleNow try this on for size, mdadm->bcache->lvm->dm-crypt(per LV)->dm-cache(per LV)03:44
Cybodoghmmm, have done that manually03:44
SamYapleSupprisingly, I have a use case for that.03:44
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Cybodogyeah.  looking at how to fake out anaconda along simular lines now03:45
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SamYaplePeople complain about preseed for ubuntu, but I like it03:46
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SamYapleyou can do some very complex stuff with partman, and anything you cant you can script out03:46
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Cybodoghave not looked deeply at it yet, but have looked at it03:47
Cybodogplaying with MAAS, but I have  a few environmental things to deal with03:47
Cybodogrunning 10 NUCs on thier own network as  POC03:47
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Cybodogran into a full stop, the openstack-install is asking for the api number, I can't copy it in.03:48
Cybodognot ctrl-c/v, not linux copy03:48
Cybodogncurses is cursing me.03:48
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Cybodognot my linux day03:49
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SamYapleCybodog: just make the switch to Haiku OS. All you problems will go away03:50
SamYaplealong with your ability to use the system, but I digress03:50
Cybodogis that a haiku?03:51
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Cybodogoh, yeah looked at that a few years ago, interesting03:51
Cybodogpointless, but interesting03:51
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asianetplusHi anyone please help me out with swift object server issue03:56
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SamYapleasianetplus: sure. whats teh issue?03:56
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asianetplusSamYaple: My object auditor keep producing error logs03:57
asianetplusIs it a bug or some03:57
SamYapleWhat are the errors?03:57
asianetplushold on let me post03:57
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asianetplusSamYaple:  http://pastebin.com/DCaeDUua04:00
asianetplusapart from this log swift is working04:00
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SamYapleThose are not errors04:01
SamYapleThat is the auditor doing its job04:01
SamYapleMy guess is you have a small or empty cluster04:02
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asianetplusYeah almost empty its new cluster04:02
asianetplusI just noticed this logs yesterday04:02
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SamYapleIt is supposed to loop like that forever, but since you are empty it looks like it is doing it way t ofast04:02
SamYapleyou can configure the speed in the "object-auditor" section04:03
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asianetplusYeah how can  i do that i been changing values but no luck also log size increasing04:04
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SamYaplePersonally I would suggest just throwing some files up there. Throw ~100 smallish files in a container.04:04
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SamYapleI think by default it only does 10 or 20 files a second04:04
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SamYapleReally this comes down to just using the cluster.04:04
asianetplusYes i configured as 1504:04
SamYapleWell if you have no files up there, it is going to loop quickly forever04:05
asianetplusI have no issues with current server because its fast but if i install it in a small device with 8 core or 6 will it slow down my cluster04:05
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SamYapleIm confused. What do you think is happening here?04:06
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asianetplusSamYaple : Sorry my english is not good04:11
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SamYapleasianetplus: Your english is perfect. I am just wonder what yo uthink the problem is04:11
SamYapleI am confused because I don't see a problem.04:12
asianetplusWell i thought it might slow down my storage04:12
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SamYapleWell the logs shouldn't be stored on the same disks as your files anyway, but the reason it is logging _so much_ is because your swift cluster is empty04:13
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SamYapleif you put files in there, it will not appear in the logs like that04:13
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asianetplusSamYaple: Thanks for the tips :)04:24
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SamYapleasianetplus: Anytime, let me know if that doesnt fix it04:25
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asianetplusWell let me upload some data to the server and check it :)04:26
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ranger81Has anyone encountered this error before? - ERROR oslo.messaging._drivers.impl_rabbit [-] Failed to declare consumer for topic 'q-l3-plugin': Exchange.declare: (403) ACCESS_REFUSED - access to exchange 'neutron' in vhost '/' refused for user XXX06:17
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SamYapleranger81: I havent see that error, no. But it seems like a rabbit issue. Check your configs and make sure you have the correct rabbit passwords06:19
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good0hello, is it possible to run every node on a single computer?07:15
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SamYaplegood0: yes07:17
SamYaplelook at devstack for testing things07:17
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k4n0dguitarbite, ping10:07
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daniel3Finally got DevStack to work entirely correctly, woohoo11:12
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_crzDoes anyone have en example ceilometer pipeline.yaml for monitoring swift? And instructions on how to disable glance/nova/cinder etc in ceilometer (I only have swift and keystone, nothing else)? I've been searching, reading code, testing and so on the last 3-4 hours without any luck. Seems totally undocumented.13:09
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maishskdhellmann: you here?13:57
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IcerainHi all14:05
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IcerainAnyone here withexperience in setting up openstack?14:06
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IcerainWe have trouble installing openstack due the installationscript of the canonical distri14:08
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maishskdhellmann: Doug - are you around?14:16
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IcerainDoes anyonne know if a multiinstall with the canonical script works without using landscape on multiple machines14:18
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dhellmannmaishsk: sorry, just coming online now14:45
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dhellmannmaishsk: replied to your email over breakfast, let me know what you think14:45
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maishskI think it is a great idea - just a few thoughts14:46
maishskhere or over email ?14:46
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dhellmannmaishsk: here is good14:52
maishskSo you want me to change the index.html file?14:53
maishskPut it under where?14:53
maishskSpacing?14:53
dhellmannmaishsk: let me look at the source for that page...14:53
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maishskWhat happens when a new project/ link is added to specs?14:53
dhellmannmaishsk: it's up to the person adding the link to add it in both places, but that's part of why we have reviews14:54
dhellmannwe can also add a readme file, I suppose14:54
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maishskSomeone will have to put in a new line in the opml file as well14:54
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dhellmannright, that's fine14:55
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maishskAnywhere specific on the page?14:56
dhellmannmaishsk: the content container seems to start on line 100. If you add a new row to that, below all of the existing content, you could add the OPML link outside of the 2 column layout14:56
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maishskGotcha14:57
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maishskwill submit one today.14:57
* dhellmann is no design guru14:57
dhellmannmaishsk: great, thanks! I should have thought of opml when I set up those feeds to begin with :-)14:57
* maishsk can't draw a straight line... ;) 14:57
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dhellmann:-)14:58
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_nickstarting neutron-ns-metadata-proxy manually - is there a recommended way of doing this?15:01
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danofsatx-workcan someone with a working config show me the output of 'ovs-vsctl show' on a (Juno) compute/network node system with a Managment interface and a bonded external interface?15:14
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maishskdhellmann: Where do I place the actual opml file?15:17
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maishskI see that the links are pointing to - for example <a href="openstack-infra/infra-specs/rss.xml">15:18
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IcerainDoes anyonne know if a multiinstall with the canonical script works without using landscape on multiple machines15:18
IcerainWe are always running into trouble trying this15:19
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_nickdoes anyone have any good advice for restarting agents associated with one particular network namespace?15:21
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_nicki've got a network that's missing a metadata proxy and also a malfunctioning dnsmasq instance15:21
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_nicki think a configuration issue at the time the network was created caused that to happen, all other networks are fine15:22
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_nicki'd rather not have to recreate the network in order to get those services back in sync however15:22
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dhellmannmaishsk: you should be able to put the opml file in the directory with the index.html -- those other files are copied to the server as part of the doc build job running in the specs repositories, but I think the contents of the specs dir in project-config is copied as-is15:39
dhellmannmaishsk: if that's not the case, we15:39
dhellmannoops15:39
dhellmannwe'll have to add the opml file to that copy list, but I think it just copies everything15:39
maishskso at the same level as index.html?15:39
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maishskand the link should be then to <a href="openstack-infra/project-config/rss.opml"> ?15:41
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IcerainDoes anyone know why installing openstack get stuck in bootstrapping juju15:48
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zenpacWhen creating a public network off of the physical one, what tenant shoudl I use? system?16:01
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IcerainWe always get permission denied when bootstrapping juju16:06
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zenpacWhat type should my public net be, "local" /16:15
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zenpacWhat type should my public net be, "local" ?16:15
zenpacIts part of my physical network ..16:15
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zenpachttp://picpaste.com/reference_network-SDUIW6FW.png is my target network. Can I put the public on a vlan as well?16:29
IcerainDid anyone succesfully set up an multi openstack installation16:29
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IcerainNo one?16:35
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Sam-I-Amtons of them, but not using juju16:37
Sam-I-Amif its your first time, i'd avoid using automation systems16:38
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IcerainKk, what wouldnu recommend to start with?16:39
Iceraini am not hanging on juju16:40
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Sam-I-Amthe installation guide on docs.openstack.org is a good place to start16:40
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Icerainthats a hand on guide, right?16:40
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Iceraini took a look and it seemed quite complex for a ckuster install with 14 nodes16:41
IcerainOr?16:41
zenpacI can't create a vlan type of network. I think I may have omitted that type in packstack setup.. Can I recover?16:41
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zenpacCan I have vlan and OVS in same setup?16:42
Sam-I-AmIcerain: you have 14 nodes?16:42
IcerainYes16:42
Sam-I-Ami'm guessing most of those are compute nodes?16:42
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IcerainComputer nodes with 2 quadcores each16:42
IcerainAll with the same configuration16:43
Sam-I-Ami recommend starting with 3 nodes... one controller, one network, one compute16:43
Sam-I-Amfigure out how it all works16:43
Sam-I-Amthen expand it16:43
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Sam-I-Amtrying to get 14 nodes working on the first shot is a recipe for frustration16:43
Icerainyeah16:44
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Icerainhow many nics are required16:44
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IcerainCause we only have 2 connected16:44
Iceraineth4 for external and eth5 for internal communication16:44
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IcerainAnd would u recommend maas for the installation of the nodes?16:45
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Sam-I-Amthe instructions call for 1 on the controller node, 3 on the network node, and 2 on the compute nodes, but you can combine networks.16:46
Sam-I-Ami wouldnt add complexity with maas, although you can script the distro installation16:47
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Sam-I-Amopenstack is extremely complex and when you're new, anything to make it more complex is not good.16:47
Sam-I-Amonce you have a working system, you should work on how to automate deployment and management of it using something like ansible or chef16:48
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Sam-I-Amplenty of projects out there to point you in the right direction16:48
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IcerainOk, seems like the best way16:49
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Icerainif we only have 2 nics we could set up the legacy arcitectrue of opestack16:50
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Icerainor combine 2 networks one nic dont knw whats better16:50
Sam-I-Amdont bother with nova-networks16:50
Sam-I-Amyou can run the tunnel network and management on the same nic16:51
Sam-I-Amthats easiest for now16:51
Sam-I-Amall of your compute nodes would have mgmt/tunnels on nic 1 and external net access on nic 216:51
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Sam-I-Amand network16:51
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Icerainyou mean the neutron architecture?16:52
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Iceraincause there the computenodes doesnt have an external conection, or?16:53
Sam-I-Amfor classic neutron, the compute nodes dont have direct external network access. however, if you plan to deploy DVR someday, they do.16:54
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zenpacFor my public network (on my external br-ex interface) do I need to specify a physical network when creating?16:55
Iceraindvr?16:55
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zenpacThis will be shared between tenants.16:56
Sam-I-AmIcerain: distributed virtual router16:56
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Icerainfor the installation of the nodesi think?16:57
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IcerainSorry for the typing. Working on a tablet ^^16:57
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Sam-I-Amyou dont have to worry about dvr yet, but just keep it in mind.16:58
zenpac--provider:physical_network=br-ex ??16:58
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Sam-I-Amzenpac: with provider networks, you specify the name of the network in the mapping17:00
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zenpacSam-I-Am: mapping in the config files?17:00
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Icerainwould u test it on a vm first or directly on 3 nodes17:01
zenpacI probably didn't configure my OVS properly..17:01
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zenpacpackstack --allinone --provision-all-in-one-ovs-bridge=n --provision-demo=n17:02
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Sam-I-Amugh packstack17:03
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Sam-I-Amyou'll need to see what its putting in the ml2_conf.ini file17:03
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Sam-I-Amor whereever it stuffs the bridge_mapping stuff17:03
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IcerainIn summary:Scripted install of ubuntu 14.04 lts on 3 odes; following the guide for neutrons architectureto set up a controller a network and a compute node17:03
IcerainAnd setting up the core services17:03
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zenpachttp://paste.debian.net/135504/17:04
Sam-I-AmIcerain: pretty much17:05
zenpacWhen I create a public network, there is no physical net.17:05
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Sam-I-Amit probably didnt configure one17:05
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IcerainOk ty sam17:06
zenpacYea,, right.. Can I have physnet1 in both the neutron/plugin.ini and the /etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/mls_conf.ini ?17:07
IcerainDid help a lot17:07
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zenpacDo the names need to be unique?17:07
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Sam-I-Amplugin.ini should be a symlink to ml2_conf.ini17:09
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zenpacSam-I-Am: So that ensures that I only use one type of plugin for my setup?17:10
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zenpacIs there a way I can find out which one it uses?17:11
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Sam-I-Amit should use the ml2 plugin.17:12
Sam-I-Amis this a first-time install?17:12
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zenpacSam-I-Am: more or less. I've used packstack a few times, but not enought to know much.17:13
zenpachttp://paste.debian.net/135507/ is my openstack-status17:13
zenpacplugin.ini is not symlinked though.17:14
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Sam-I-Amso, i'll tell you what i told Icerain. your best bet for a first-time install is to do it manually with the install guide at docs.openstack.org17:15
zenpacok..17:15
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Sam-I-Amopenstack is very complex and difficult to grasp, and an automation system like packstack just obscures whats really going on17:16
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Sam-I-Amthe recommended path is simple manual install -> learn how it works -> add security/HA/more nodes -> automate deployment and management with ansible/chef whatever17:16
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terjeand that's pretty much a full time job17:24
terje:)17:24
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Sam-I-Amheh yeah17:27
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danofsatx-worksince we're discussing the docs.openstack.org stuff... The proscribed order of installation is Keystone, Glance, Nova, Neutron, Horizon, Cinder, Swift, Heat (optional?), Ceilometer (optional?), Trove, and Sahara. Is this the best-practice order? Which, if any, component can be skipped?17:35
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Sam-I-Amthe docs say which are optional17:36
Sam-I-Amcore stuff is keystone, glance, nova, and some form of networking17:36
Sam-I-Ameverything else is optional17:36
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danofsatx-workwhat kind of storage is supported besides cinder and swift? I've not quite grasped that....17:38
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Sam-I-Amthere17:42
Sam-I-Amtheres local storage on each compute node17:42
Sam-I-Ambut it doesnt scale well17:42
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danofsatx-workagreed, it doesn't. But does simply mounting my NAS via NFS count a local storage, or should I be using Cinder to manage that?17:45
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Sam-I-Amyou can use nfs directly with nova17:46
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IcerainHey again17:46
Sam-I-Ama lot of people look at gluster or ceph17:46
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IcerainIs it possible to install the controller and the network node on the same machine?17:47
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danofsatx-workMy scale isn't quite large (or well equipped enough) to use gluster or ceph17:47
Sam-I-Amsure17:47
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Sam-I-Amit'll be more difficult to troubleshoot and scale, but it'll work17:47
IcerainTy17:48
IcerainWe will try the 3 node setup first17:48
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zenpacIf I want to have a flat network, and private networks on the same setup, will i need to enable Flat networking?18:09
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mtl1Hi, I have a fresh devstack instance, and cinder service says that both scheduler and volume are running. When I try to create a volume, I'm seeing "Insufficient free space for volume creation (requested / avail): 1/0.0", so it's not reporting any available space. Anyone know why that might be?18:13
Sam-I-Amzenpac: usually the flat network is a provider network to which tenant networks attsch18:14
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Sam-I-Amattach18:14
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zenpacSam-I-Am: ok.. so it sounds like i may need that.18:22
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zenpacI have an OVS bridged interface br-ex18:22
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zenpacI don't have any external VLANs, but I want to setup the OVS bridge_mappings to point to my external ifcfg-br-ex interface.18:48
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zenpacAll the examples I see have vlan options in the [ovs] section of ovs.18:48
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Sam-I-Amwhere do you see this?18:52
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zenpachttp://wiki.infn.it/progetti/cloud-areapd/openstack_havana_installation is one place.19:09
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zenpacSam-I-Am: That one has the closest setup like mine, but i have no eth1, just eth0 + br-ex19:10
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Sam-I-Amso... this is probably more what you want:19:11
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Sam-I-Amhttp://docs.openstack.org/juno/install-guide/install/apt/content/section_neutron-networking.html19:12
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Sam-I-Amtheres some config and example network commands in there19:12
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zenpacI'm not sure what INSTANCE_TUNNELS_INTERFACE_IP_ADDRESS corresponds to on my all-in-one box.19:19
zenpacIn section e19:19
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Sam-I-Amsince its allinone, its more or less 127.0.0.119:19
Sam-I-Amor just the ip of the box19:20
Sam-I-Amthat guide is designed for a 3-node install19:20
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zenpacok.. So 127.0.0.1 will also work?19:20
zenpacI was thinking the IP address of my br-ex.19:20
vookwill openstack handle clustering in-and-of-itself, or is that a separate process?19:20
Sam-I-Amzenpac: thats the ip on which tenant network traffic is tunneled (using vxlan or gre usually)19:21
zenpacOk.. Is there any difference in difficulty between vxlan or gre ? I'd like to keep it as simple as possible for now.19:23
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zenpacSam-I-Am: Thanks.. things are starting to work.19:36
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zenpacIf I have no VLAN support in my physical network (br-ex bridge) will network_vlan_ranges make any sense to set?19:57
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zenpacIE, are those VLANS externally defined?19:58
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zenpacOr are they internal to the Openstack tunneling?19:58
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terjeinternal19:59
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Sam-I-Amzenpac: you can create vlan provider networks if your network supports vlans20:01
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zenpacSo Its safe to set it, but if my network doesn't support it i should expect an error..20:08
zenpac?20:09
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zenpacI should have said "external network" instead.20:10
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Marcostime to go home , will be back soon , see you all !20:12
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mkerGood afternoon! I'm having trouble setting up a vlan provider network. The tenants are using GRE and connecting to a flat provider network. I have another interface that is connected to a switch with 2 VLANs trunked. Paste is here: http://paste.openstack.org/show/147438/ Thanks in advance!20:43
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mkerThe tenant network linked to the existing flat provider network is ok, instances can ping the router and dhcp server. But instances in a separate network that use a vlan provider network can't ping the router, but do get a DHCP address.20:45
progmaif i snapshot an instance, how do i revert to that instance if i make changes that i don't want to keep?20:45
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thumpba_Does anyone know of a good vagrant openstack setup20:52
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zenpacIs crudini the preferred name or openstack-config?21:10
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Sam-I-Amopenstack-config uses crudini21:18
Sam-I-Amyou should avoid both :)21:18
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zenpacI would, but I need some way to script/devops them.21:19
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zenpacI can use a template once I know what I am doing.21:19
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Sam-I-Amansible :)21:19
zenpacSam-I-Am: (I do).21:19
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Sam-I-Amopenstack-config isn't too bad, but avoid openstack-db21:19
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zenpacRight now ansible doesn't have a module for configuration (as far as I know) unless its an unofficial module.21:20
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Sam-I-Amzenpac: check out openstack-ansible on stackforge21:26
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CodePagodaHello, could any point me to the OpenStack documentation style guide? I could not find in the docs section @ openstack.org22:17
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benccI know that swift has S3 compatible protocol. Does it has CloudFront compatible protocol?22:25
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notmynamebencc: does swift have a CloudFront api? no. not that I know of22:26
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benccnotmyname: I mean something that knows how to pull objects from swift and put on one ore more edge servers22:31
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notmynamebencc: I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for. swift's api uses http, so anything that makes http requests can pull from swift22:34
skaI can't run /usr/local/bin/ovs-vsctl from normal user account. Root works ok.22:34
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skaovs-vsctl: unix:/var/run/openvswitch/db.sock: database connection failed (Permission denied)22:36
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benccnotmyname: thanks22:42
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skahttp://paste.debian.net/hidden/f79cc7c4/ is this normal for openvswtich service?22:48
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Sam-I-Amska: you should have a root wrapper23:36
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Sam-I-Amand if you're using packages, it should have edited your sudoers accordingly23:37
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Sam-I-Amunless you have some sort of security jigger that denies access to those sorts of things23:37
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progmaedit... MY sudoers??!? eh! :)23:46
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kupo24zAnyone running into 'No data available' on /dashboard/admin/metering/ in horizon with Juno release code?23:58
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