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| Sam-I-Am | hoonetorg: i was traveling home | 00:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | provider networks are usually vlan, unless you have physical network infrastructure that supports vxlan or gre | 00:21 |
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| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: understand, university does not have external network with gre/vxlan. But generally it's possible to have provider networks with vxlan/gre if the existing infrastructure supports it | 00:23 |
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| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: did i get it right, that the provider networks provide the floating ip's and that tenant networks provide the fixed ip's or am i mixing something up here. | 00:24 |
| hoonetorg | ? | 00:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | provider networks do two things | 00:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | 1) provide floating IPs to instances on tenant networks | 00:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | 2) provide fixed ips directly to instances | 00:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | in either case, they always connect to physical infrastructure | 00:26 |
| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: whoooaaa fixed ip's directly to instances, was that all the time? or is this some kind of new? | 00:26 |
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| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: that would ease/'make it possible' to migrate existing machines into openstack, wouldn't it? | 00:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | its very similar to how vmware vswitches work | 00:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | its just glorified bridges | 00:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | with dhcp server | 00:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | but you dont need dhcp | 00:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | its always been there | 00:29 |
| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: I asked that multiple times at school and they always said, this is not possible | 00:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | these are things they dont teach you in school | 00:30 |
| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: :) | 00:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | school is the reason for openvswitch :P | 00:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | poor life choices | 00:30 |
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| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: can you give me a link, where is shown how to asssign a fixed provider ip to an instance? | 00:31 |
| droyo | hoonetorg: provider networks were instrumental in moving from physical to virtual infrastructure at my workplace | 00:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | hoonetorg: if you just boot an instance on a provider network | 00:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | it... works | 00:32 |
| droyo | while it sounds lame, we went to great lengths to make our VMs look identical to physical machines from a network perspective | 00:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | the key is, that provider network needs to be attached to all compute nodes, not just the network node | 00:32 |
| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: how can I ensure, that my old webserver, which had alwasys 172.20.10.10, that it gets it on openstack ? | 00:33 |
| hoonetorg | static leases MAC-> IP/ | 00:33 |
| hoonetorg | ? | 00:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | hoonetorg: you can assign a fixed ip at boot | 00:33 |
| droyo | in a few cases, we deployed VMs to existing networks, next to physical servers | 00:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | which more or less makes a static entry in dhcp | 00:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | or... you can fiddle with cloud-ini | 00:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | init | 00:33 |
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| hoonetorg | droyo: moving existing physical... that's exactly what i was thinking about | 00:34 |
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| droyo | that's what I've done and it's worked very well. openstack is capable of much more, of course | 00:35 |
| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: assign a fixed IP at boot - how do i do that then? | 00:36 |
| droyo | hoonetorg: use the --nic net-id=...,v4-fixed-ip=172.20.10.10 option to your command line | 00:36 |
| droyo | i don't think this is exposed in the dashboard | 00:36 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, that | 00:36 |
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| droyo | see `nova help boot` or `openstack help server create` | 00:37 |
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| Sam-I-Am | back in a bit | 00:39 |
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| hoonetorg | "openstack help ... command not found" | 00:40 |
| hoonetorg | rdo / centos 7.1 | 00:41 |
| hoonetorg | juno | 00:41 |
| droyo | yum install python-openstackclient | 00:42 |
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| hoonetorg | droyo: thx | 00:43 |
| hoonetorg | droyo: ah and got it | 00:43 |
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| hoonetorg | droyo: did you probably something like 1. make a small dhcp-range for the provider network in your existing infra (192.168.1.201-210, your existing machines not in that range) | 00:45 |
| droyo | hoonetorg: that's exactly what i did | 00:45 |
| hoonetorg | droyo: 2. import images of existing servers with static ips preconfigured and simply start them again | 00:46 |
| droyo | and I have automation in place that marks that range as 'reserved for openstack' in our IP Address management system | 00:46 |
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| droyo | I didn't do part 2 | 00:46 |
| hoonetorg | ah, so you had dhcp in your existing infra all the time | 00:46 |
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| droyo | we manage our server configuration with puppet, so we just include the same classes in puppet to replicate the config | 00:46 |
| droyo | no | 00:47 |
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| droyo | the dhcp servers only respond to requests from MAC addresses they know about | 00:47 |
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| droyo | so it's not a big deal to deploy a dhcp server to the existing network | 00:47 |
| droyo | if i had the time, i would produce an image that used cloud-init to set it's network info from the config drive, and forego dhcp for such use cases | 00:47 |
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| hoonetorg | droyo, puppet(hiera?) managed which server got which ip? in old env | 00:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | back | 00:51 |
| hoonetorg | it's not so important, only that i understand | 00:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | btw, the packaged versions of clients are usually ancient | 00:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | you might have better luck making a venv and pip installing the openstack client | 00:52 |
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| Sam-I-Am | iirc, rdo was like... 1.1? think its up to 1.5 | 00:52 |
| droyo | hoonetorg: in old env we set the ip when we provision the server with kickstart | 00:52 |
| hoonetorg | droyo: haha, like i do | 00:53 |
| droyo | we're actually in the middle of changing a ton of IP addresses because our new security team wants to segment all the things | 00:53 |
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| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: centos 7.1, rdo kilo: 1.0.3, pip 1.6 | 00:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | openstack client 1.0.3? | 00:56 |
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| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: wait | 00:56 |
| hoonetorg | https://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/openstack/openstack-kilo/el7/python-openstackclient-1.0.3-2.el7.noarch.rpm | 00:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah thats ancient | 00:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | you can either pip install the current one, or do it in a venv if you dont want to mess with the other python stuff on the system | 00:59 |
| hoonetorg | i don't like other packages like deb on deb/ubu or rpm el/fedora, but in that case it's probably good to rebuild an new rpm from the latest pip and put it in my personal-openstack-extras repo (where qemu-kvm-ev and libvirt with ceph support already are) | 01:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | this is why you use something like os-ansible-deployment | 01:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | building everything from source | 01:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | packages are good for a new users and a PoC, but not much beyond that | 01:01 |
| hoonetorg | droyo: security always a loooot of work, secures jobs :) | 01:03 |
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| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: Am forced to use RedHat/CentOS here, but to be honest, i also like it | 01:05 |
| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: osad is for ubuntu, isn't it? | 01:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | it is | 01:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | why do you have to use rh? | 01:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | theres probably some source deployment options on rh | 01:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | i just dont know what they are | 01:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | or you can roll your own | 01:07 |
| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: as i'm doing a lot currently with saltstack, i think i've seen 2 or 3 formulas, where saltstack is deployed from sources on rh | 01:08 |
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| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: must use rh, because my, let's say customer, the university wants to use rh only. | 01:10 |
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| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: I'm an Openstack noob, not much time and it should be HA, try to build the best from rdo kilo / centos 7.1 | 01:11 |
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| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: the http://docs.openstack.org/networking-guide is from you??? | 01:12 |
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| Sam-I-Am | most of it is | 01:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, the scenarios | 01:12 |
| hoonetorg | they are really great | 01:12 |
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| hoonetorg | you saved my day, when you told me, that tenant network with vxlan/gre and linuxbridge works | 01:15 |
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| hoonetorg | i think i will try http://docs.openstack.org/networking-guide/scenario_l3ha_lb.html | 01:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | hoonetorg: yeah, it should mostly work... i'm in the process of writing a patch for it | 01:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | nothing significant, just some config adjustments and diagram improvements | 01:16 |
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| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: i think there is an typo in example configuration of /etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/ml2_conf.ini | 01:17 |
| hoonetorg | mechanism_drivers = openvswitch | 01:17 |
| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: shouldn't this be "mechanism_drivers = linuxbridge" ? | 01:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yep | 01:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thats because someone merged a patch i wasnt done with :/ | 01:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | people dont read the damn review notes :/ | 01:21 |
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| hoonetorg | one day i will learn to file bug report for that :) | 01:22 |
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| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: do you think rhel 7.1 kernel (3.10) backported the necessary fixes for vxlan ? or should i go with gre on el 7.1? | 01:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | hoonetorg: i have the fix sitting on my computer, just not submitted yet | 01:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | you can try vxlan and if it doesnt work well, switch to gre | 01:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | or use both at once | 01:24 |
| hoonetorg | you mean the fix for the upstream rh kernel? | 01:24 |
| hoonetorg | both sounds nice | 01:24 |
| anish | rhel can have uptoa 6 month lead time on most bug fixes | 01:25 |
| anish | little faster if it's not driver specific | 01:25 |
| hoonetorg | anish: project long in production then -> gre | 01:25 |
| anish | but I wouldn't count on 7.1 having it if it's recent | 01:26 |
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| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: you said fixing the ml2/linuxbridge needed some work and now only some 'polishing' left over. But are all important ml2/linuxbridge patches already in kilo/rdo-kilo? | 01:27 |
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| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: It's now 3:30am here and i must (not want) confess, i'm getting tired. | 01:29 |
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| Sam-I-Am | heh | 01:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | patches for the doc itself? or the neutron code? | 01:30 |
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| hoonetorg | let me ask the other way around: is http://docs.openstack.org/networking-guide/scenario_l3ha_lb.html working stable in kilo/rdo-kilo or should i wair for liberty | 01:31 |
| hoonetorg | ? | 01:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, minus some issues, but it seems like you've picked up on them | 01:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i can probably help if something breaks | 01:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | i need to go eat dinner | 01:33 |
| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: thx, ah yeah and i don't mean the doc i mean the software | 01:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | oh, yeah... i mention the caveats in the doc | 01:33 |
| hoonetorg | i think there is no english word for that, german: guten appetit | 01:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | it'll be even better in liberty... got some patches pushed through | 01:34 |
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| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: enjoying a beer now, bye bye | 01:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | guten nicht? too late there! | 01:34 |
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| hoonetorg | :) | 01:34 |
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| hoonetorg | Sam-I-Am: thx | 01:36 |
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| ndru | Sam-I-Am: You still around? | 02:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ndru: barely | 02:42 |
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| ndru | haha | 02:44 |
| ndru | All my attempts at reloading the netns failed. | 02:44 |
| ndru | Can I delete it with ip netns and restart something to have it recreated? | 02:44 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, if you stop the l3 agent you can delete the ns. it'll recreate it, or should | 02:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | assuming theres nothing wrong with how the router was created | 02:45 |
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| EMayej | Hi all. Is it possible to run 'get_attr' from CLI? That means get_attr from some existing heat stack. | 05:32 |
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| Gursimran | How do I need to add security rules, if I wish all VMs in my project (192.168.1.x network) are able to ping each other | 10:41 |
| Gursimran | ? | 10:41 |
| Gursimran | help will be appreciated... | 10:43 |
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| amtux | I am trying to deploy OS::Neutron::SecurityGroups via a heat template. The rules that I'm following require me to set 'protocol' as '50' instead of usual TCP/ICMP/UDP. Ofcourse, when I try to put 'protocol: 50' it says the "Only protocol values [None, 'tcp', 'udp', 'icmp'] and their integer representation (0 to 255) are supported". Anyone aware of a workaround? | 23:12 |
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