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| eagles0513875 | hey Sam-I-Am | 00:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | eagles0513875: yo | 01:40 |
| eagles0513875 | hows it going Sam-I-Am | 01:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | not bad. holidays here. | 01:40 |
| eagles0513875 | im at work lol | 01:41 |
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| adhioutlined | Wow nice with holiday | 01:42 |
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| Sam-I-Am | eagles0513875: i technically have the next two weeks off | 01:45 |
| eagles0513875 | nice | 01:45 |
| eagles0513875 | today came in as there was an issue at 4am which our current support provider was called to sort this morning 4am my time | 01:45 |
| eagles0513875 | had to come in and remove one of the backup external hard disks | 01:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | fun | 01:46 |
| eagles0513875 | now im back at work at almost 3am | 01:46 |
| eagles0513875 | been here for almost 3 ours 6 more to go | 01:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | yuck | 01:47 |
| eagles0513875 | ya not complaining then i go home sleep for about 4 hours then go meet my gf for their office xmas party | 01:47 |
| eagles0513875 | lol | 01:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | any time off? | 01:48 |
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| eagles0513875 | Sam-I-Am: ya sometime off but im always on call | 01:49 |
| eagles0513875 | not that i mind its overtime pay for me after hours so | 01:49 |
| eagles0513875 | its all good | 01:49 |
| eagles0513875 | trying to finish off a project before xmas but it is not seeming likely | 01:49 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i have some non-work projects i'd like to catch up on if i can, but mostly family stuff | 01:50 |
| eagles0513875 | ya i have a number of personal projects too i want to work on | 01:51 |
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| Sam-I-Am | aight, time to get back to family things | 01:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | (which usually involves eating) | 01:55 |
| eagles0513875 | have fun | 01:55 |
| eagles0513875 | dont get me started on that | 01:55 |
| eagles0513875 | yesterday i ate like a piggy | 01:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | i spent the entire day doing that | 01:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | and then there's the next two weeks | 01:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | going to need lots of exercise | 01:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | back in a bit | 01:56 |
| eagles0513875 | Sam-I-Am: enjoy | 01:56 |
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| RageLtMan | what controls the MTU of vxlan_sys_4789? I've set every physical MTU to 9k, i've set path_mtu to 9k, i've set segment_mtu and veth_mtu to 8192 in ml2_conf.ini, and i set network_device_mtu=9000 in neutron.conf | 02:10 |
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| RageLtMan | also, what sort of insanity is this with all the MTU settings? I have great condolences for the large providers managing this mess | 02:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | RageLtMan: eh, yeah. | 02:40 |
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| RageLtMan | seems i've tracked down the issue to vxlan_sys_4789 though, openvswitch registers complaints in dmesg about MTU size being too large | 02:41 |
| RageLtMan | on the nova compute node | 02:41 |
| RageLtMan | never even leaves the physical host | 02:41 |
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| RageLtMan | trying a hack to force vxlan_sys_4789 up with interfaces.d directive similar to p_ff798dba-0 | 02:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | well, 4789 is the port vxlan uses | 02:42 |
| RageLtMan | erm, that broke dhcp on the compute node's VMs | 02:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | however, in your case, ovs manages the vxlan tunnel | 02:43 |
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| RageLtMan | whenever i have a VM running on a node, using VXLAN, the node creates an interface called vxlan_sys_4789 | 02:43 |
| vitorleite | Hello. I would shaw should I have to learn If I want to make a script/process for every time at the same time the program access one website with one specific login/password and download specific files. | 02:43 |
| RageLtMan | there's also a bunch of vxlan interfaces made in the switch, this one seems accessible from the normal namespace, but i cant change MTU on it | 02:43 |
| vitorleite | Hello. I would what should I have to learn If I want to make a script/process for every time at the same time the program access one website with one specific login/password and download specific files. | 02:43 |
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| RageLtMan | not even sure how vxlan_sys_4789 is related to the individual OVS ports (vxlan type) | 02:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | is this an actual net iface? | 02:44 |
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| RageLtMan | type: vxlan | 02:45 |
| RageLtMan | rebooting the nova node presently | 02:45 |
| RageLtMan | all the bug reports on this i see seem recent, Juno+ | 02:45 |
| RageLtMan | how has this not been an issue prior? | 02:45 |
| RageLtMan | or is this some neutron related hell since before that nova had the network stack? | 02:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i havent had time to dig through the code, but best i can tell, the mtu config options were sort of a drive-by contribution by someone | 02:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | fire-and-forget, not fully implemented | 02:47 |
| RageLtMan | how? its such a basic part of networking | 02:47 |
| RageLtMan | programmers designing infrastructure is a terrible thing :) | 02:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | eh, its a lot of things | 02:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | some of which i'm trying to fix | 02:47 |
| RageLtMan | are you some poor systems architect who decided to fly with the eagles and fix what a bunch of python coders deem "good ideas?" | 02:48 |
| RageLtMan | I'm pretty sure you're up there with superman for keeping people from diving off of ledges | 02:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | lol | 02:49 |
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| eagles0513875 | RageLtMan: he is as he writes the documentation | 02:49 |
| vitorleite | Hello. I would to know what should I have to learn If I want to make a script/process for every time at one specific time the program access one website with one specific login/password and download specific files. | 02:49 |
| RageLtMan | At least this place has you, Cloudstack is basically dead in that regard - i couldnt get basic questions about the FUBAR GRE encap in OVS there answered for months | 02:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | lovely | 02:50 |
| RageLtMan | so Sam-I-Am, what should i be doing here? i cant even change the MTU setting on the networks in neutron since its apparently a read only attr | 02:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont hear much about cloudstack | 02:50 |
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| MrCurious | wonder who the next cloud provider to fail will be.... | 02:50 |
| RageLtMan | Cloudstack is interesting - less spread out, all basically contained in a java jar. problem is its NFV/SDN is just non functional, and there's a bit more hypervisor config | 02:50 |
| eagles0513875 | call me crazy Sam-I-Am i was actually considering cloudstack | 02:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | RageLtMan: this is some interface between nova and neutron? | 02:51 |
| RageLtMan | We still run one, but we're trying to move everything to Kilo (built on Fuel) and i'm losing hair and sanity with the network config | 02:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | which is weird because that wouldn't be vxlan | 02:51 |
| RageLtMan | Thats the part i dont know | 02:51 |
| RageLtMan | soon as a machine with a vxlan comes up on the host, it develops this interface in ifconfig called vxlan_sys_4789 | 02:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | looks like it is a vxlan thing | 02:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | controlled by ovs | 02:52 |
| eagles0513875 | ovs?? do you mean ovh | 02:52 |
| RageLtMan | ovs-dpctl show says port 3: vxlan_sys_4789 (internal) | 02:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | so its probably vm -> linuxbtridge -> ovs -> vxlan | 02:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | no, ovs | 02:52 |
| Pavo | Sam-I-Am what deployment tool do you use to deploy openstack? | 02:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | Pavo: usually openstack-ansible | 02:52 |
| Pavo | hmmm | 02:53 |
| Pavo | gonna have to look into that | 02:53 |
| Pavo | I'm bored | 02:53 |
| RageLtMan | Pavo - i've had success with Fuel and MAAS/Razor + Chef. Running the Fuel stack in prod since we're hoping to use it for clients who can receive Mirantis support | 02:53 |
| RageLtMan | i'm starting to think OVS hates me | 02:54 |
| Pavo | yeah I have used Fuel and did not like the 3 node requirement | 02:54 |
| RageLtMan | why the f would it set MTU default @ 1500? | 02:54 |
| Pavo | switched to packstack | 02:54 |
| RageLtMan | its not a req | 02:54 |
| RageLtMan | you can set up single controllers | 02:54 |
| Pavo | now just really bored and wanna try something new | 02:54 |
| eagles0513875 | RageLtMan: i have seen 1500 as default in alot of places | 02:54 |
| RageLtMan | its how we run, atop a VM, on ZFS, so we snap all controller state in ZFS :) | 02:54 |
| eagles0513875 | Pavo: script everything from scratch :p | 02:54 |
| Pavo | :P | 02:54 |
| Pavo | hell with that | 02:54 |
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| Pavo | lol | 02:54 |
| eagles0513875 | you wanted a challenge lol | 02:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | RageLtMan: did you fix your cinder/rbd problem? | 02:55 |
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| Pavo | could try to build a pure web-based deployment | 02:55 |
| Pavo | with packstack as a backend | 02:55 |
| RageLtMan | It fiex itself, required a reboot of the compute node for some reason | 02:55 |
| RageLtMan | or all of them rather | 02:55 |
| RageLtMan | disks were fine, something in libvirt | 02:55 |
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| Pavo | Ansible Deployment + OpenStack in Docker Containers = Operator Bliss seems interesting | 02:56 |
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| Sam-I-Am | RageLtMan: are all ports on each ovs bridge set to 9000? | 02:57 |
| RageLtMan | grep for 1500 in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers get me nothing | 02:57 |
| RageLtMan | well, thats the question, see i cant touch any ports on br-tun | 02:58 |
| RageLtMan | http://pastebin.com/mkqZvaC3 | 02:58 |
| RageLtMan | ^^ is br-tun on ovs-vsctl show | 02:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | neutron doesnt specifically set anything 1500. its usually system default unless otherwise specified. | 02:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | why cant you touch the br-tun ports? | 02:59 |
| Pavo | I thought neutron pulls the mtu from the ethernet adapter unless specified | 02:59 |
| RageLtMan | they're not in ip link or ifconfig | 03:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | br-tun is though, right? | 03:00 |
| RageLtMan | br-tun DOES exist, but its down by default | 03:00 |
| RageLtMan | can only see it on ifconfig -a | 03:00 |
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| RageLtMan | crap | 03:01 |
| RageLtMan | i broke ovs | 03:01 |
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| RageLtMan | when i created that ifcfg-vxlan_sys ... file ovs decided to remember it | 03:02 |
| RageLtMan | grand | 03:02 |
| RageLtMan | that port shouldnt be internal but should be vxlan. now no traffic passes on that compute node. bawls | 03:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | lol | 03:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i need to kick an ovs deployment here and poke around | 03:03 |
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| RageLtMan | Do you usually use lxbr? | 03:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 03:08 |
| RageLtMan | fixed | 03:08 |
| RageLtMan | so now ovs-dpctl show says "port 10: vxlan_sys_4789 (vxlan: df_default=false, ttl=0)" | 03:09 |
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| RageLtMan | so when i try to ping with -s 1473 i now get "openvswitch: vxlan_sys_4789: dropped over-mtu packet: 1501 > 1500" in dmesg, as 1473+28b is 1501b | 03:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | RageLtMan: is there an mtu on br-tun? | 03:13 |
| RageLtMan | yes, and it doesnt seem to matter | 03:14 |
| RageLtMan | when i create an ifcfg-br-tun config and boot with it at 9k, it doesnt help | 03:15 |
| RageLtMan | i figure some of the patch interfaces must be 1500 | 03:15 |
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| RageLtMan | so they're setting the entire bridge to that | 03:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | what about the interface that the tunnel binds? | 03:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | the thing that has local_ip | 03:15 |
| RageLtMan | 9000 | 03:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | maybe something you can ask in #openvswitch during normal biz hours? | 03:16 |
| RageLtMan | yeah, br-mesh has MTU 9k | 03:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | otherwise i'm curious how linuxbridge handles this | 03:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | people will be scarce the next 2 weeks | 03:19 |
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| eagles0513875 | Sam-I-Am: yep | 03:21 |
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| john5223 | brandor5, yes, there is already a LDAP driver for keystone. just setup the write config values in /etc/keystone/keystone.conf to point to your ldap location | 16:01 |
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| john5223 | right* | 16:02 |
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| brandor5 | john5223: thanks, I actually just managed to get the authentication part working... | 16:17 |
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| brandor5 | will I need service users (nova, neutron, etc) in ldap as well? | 16:18 |
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| john5223 | either that, or you could do a hybrid sql + ldap. that though is not included in openstack | 16:18 |
| john5223 | example for that though is here: https://github.com/SUSE-Cloud/keystone-hybrid-backend | 16:18 |
| brandor5 | ok, thank you, i'll take a look | 16:19 |
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| john5223 | i did a thirdy party auth + sql and it worked perfect. | 16:19 |
| john5223 | any apparmor experts around here? | 16:20 |
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| gaud | Hi everyone, I was wondering.. Is there a way to alter an Instance metadata when issuing a "rebuild" server. ? | 16:24 |
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| lv_ | can I expect openstack to run fine under xen using libvirt? | 16:45 |
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| irf | Hello | 18:43 |
| irf | i have three node setup for openstack ... | 18:43 |
| irf | need to setup network topology so that i can create the private cloud and deploy my application .... | 18:43 |
| irf | can someone guide me on how to design and create the isolated network (private and external ) | 18:44 |
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| redondo-mk | Hi. Anybody familiar with bsd-cloudinit or with running details of metadata service? I need info (where I can get info) how metadata for disk/swap is created. | 18:58 |
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| irf | hello | 19:44 |
| irf | need to understand the network topology for three node openstack setup | 19:44 |
| irf | can someone please guide me | 19:44 |
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| kindjal | irf: http://docs.openstack.org/networking-guide/ | 19:45 |
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| ^spike^ | hi all, any chance of this patch set being backported to icehouse? silly that nova-cloud-controller could just flood rabbitmq thousands of times just because of some lost messages. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256203/ | 20:01 |
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| irf | thanks .. but it has all high level details.. is ther any way where i can start with basic one and then go ahaead with advanced ? | 20:02 |
| ^spike^ | more specifically nova-conductor rather than cloud-controller as a whole. | 20:03 |
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| dmz | howdy y'all, i'm having a little problem with security groups appearing to not apply correctly to an instance with multiple interfaces on a vlan network; horizon editing didn't appear to leaving right settings on both ports (one port had default sg only, other had default + custom); so I used neutron direclty & edited the port sg; however I'm still not seeing traffic functio ncorrectly. If I'm on the instance using tcpdump I see the correct data (icmp echo | 20:11 |
| dmz | & reply) if I sniff the tap interface on the compute node I see the correct data; however when I look at the interface the vlans are attached to I only see the ingress icmp echo request; the reply never goes back; so somewhere between the tap interface/ovs & the physical server interface the egress traffic is denied; any suggestions on where I can look? | 20:11 |
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| dmz | already asked on #openstack-neutron but wanted to see if anyone here had any suggestions :) | 20:12 |
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| irf | i just need to start with basic network topology | 20:14 |
| dmz | :) | 20:15 |
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| kindjal | “An error occurred while refreshing the network cache.” That is not a useful error message. | 20:18 |
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| irf | i agree that we have network guide .. but is there any blog whihc says in detail steps to get started ? | 20:20 |
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| larsks | irf: what about http://docs.openstack.org/juno/install-guide/install/apt/content/neutron-initial-networks.html? | 20:30 |
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| kindjal | How can I delete all traces of a VM instance from ostack’s databases? CLI all fail | 20:46 |
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| doncucumber | Is not possible to have two external networks (which I can use for floating IPs) in Openstack? | 20:48 |
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| doncucumber | I had two external Networks. None of them were connected to any router (I had 2 routers). As soon as I connect one of this external networks to any of this routers, the internal networks stopped reaching the router (it's internal interface). The reason: There were more than one external network (only one was connected to that router) | 20:50 |
| redondo-mk | doncucumber: It should be possible to have 2 or more external networks. | 20:50 |
| doncucumber | why is that a problem? | 20:50 |
| doncucumber | redondo-mk, that's what I thought | 20:50 |
| doncucumber | maybe two externat subets, but one network? | 20:51 |
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| doncucumber | redondo-mk, the only way to have connectivity to the external workd, was to delete one of this external networks, and then attached it to the router... | 20:52 |
| doncucumber | weird | 20:52 |
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| larsks | doncucumber: it is absolutely possible to have multiple external networks. See, e.g., http://blog.oddbit.com/2014/05/28/multiple-external-networks-wit/ | 20:57 |
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| doncucumber | larsks, ok, I'll check it out... the thing is that I had this error message in neutron's log until I delete that second external network.. maybe is something different. | 20:59 |
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| redondo-mk | Anybody know how nova metadata gets the metadata for instance in the first place, I mean block-device-mapping specificaly. | 21:01 |
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| doncucumber | larsks, it looks great the article. Thx. | 21:01 |
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| kindjal | seeing nova-compute message, “MessagingTimeout: Timed out waiting for a reply to message ID” How can I figure out what thing is supposed to be replying to the message ID. | 21:16 |
| kindjal | controller node has no errors in logs | 21:16 |
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| dmz | doh! forgot to add allowed_address_pairs for the other side of the vpn on the internal interface of my vpn instance... :) | 21:23 |
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| Harduk | hi, does anyone know if its possible to fix an instance which is in error state ? | 22:08 |
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| Harduk | was not aware of novas reset-state, thanks | 22:38 |
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