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connor__ | How do you find out the quota being used by a tenant? | 01:34 |
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connor__ | I have tried several commands, which have left me pretty confused | 01:35 |
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connor__ | I have tried `nova quota-show --tenant ...` | 01:36 |
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connor__ | it doesn't seem right though | 01:37 |
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knighthawk1 | @connor__ 'nova absolute-limits --tenant admin' | 01:51 |
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connor__ | knighthawk1: I think i have a misunderstanding about tenants, I used `nova show` on an instance uuid, and grabbed the tenant_id from its output, to use with these commands. I'm trying to get the quota assigned to a user, knowing only an instance uuid | 02:00 |
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knighthawk1 | openstack project list; openstack user list | 02:05 |
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knighthawk1 | nova quota-show --tenant <tenant-id> --user <user-id> | 02:05 |
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connor__ | hurray thank you knighthawk1 | 02:10 |
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knighthawk1 | np | 02:12 |
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irf | hello | 05:05 |
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irf | is the cirrus image is the default image ? | 05:05 |
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irf | i am not getting whetehr it supports ubuntu OR centos like that ? or this is totally different altogether | 05:09 |
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irf | plz suggest | 05:27 |
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irf | i am downloadng centos image and will try to create the image from that | 05:27 |
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irf | create the node out of it | 05:28 |
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irf | can someone please help me understaing what is QCOW2 disk format | 05:41 |
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Sesso | You will need cloud init | 05:42 |
Sesso | https://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 05:42 |
Sesso | read this site and it will help you. | 05:42 |
irf | ok | 05:43 |
irf | sure | 05:43 |
irf | as per the openstack doc, QCOW2 is supported by QEMU emulator | 05:44 |
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st34lth | where is ovs_neutron_plugin.ini in centos | 05:52 |
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st34lth | openstack-config --set /etc/neutron/plugins/openvswitch/ovs_neutron_plugin.ini ovs bridge_mappings extnet:br-ex doesnt work because file doesnt exist | 05:53 |
MGKitties | Tried using find for it? | 05:54 |
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st34lth | yup.. | 05:54 |
st34lth | i see package installes neutron-openv* | 05:55 |
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st34lth | I see python libs at /plugins/ml2/drivers | 05:55 |
st34lth | i'm on liberty btw | 05:55 |
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jidar | wacky | 06:13 |
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krfa | Hello, I've deployed three compute node on ubuntu, which are registered successfully. The issue is that I've set on the nova.conf on the compute node the settings compute_driver=libvirt.LibvirtDriver and [libvirt] virt_type = kvm | 08:34 |
krfa | When doing nova hypervisor-show, it's indicated qemu, not KVM. I've removed the hypervisor and restarted the service, again, registered as qemu. | 08:34 |
krfa | <krfa> How should I do to set as KVM? | 08:34 |
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jidar | krfa: http://wiki.qemu.org/KVM and http://libvirt.org/drvqemu.html might suggest that kvm got rolled into qemu | 08:39 |
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krfa | jidar : does that means that even if it shows qemu, it will support KVM as well? It's pretty confusing for me, sorry | 08:42 |
jidar | krfa: what version of qemu are you running? | 08:42 |
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krfa | virsh # version | 08:44 |
krfa | Compiled against library: libvirt 1.2.12 | 08:44 |
krfa | Using library: libvirt 1.2.12 | 08:44 |
krfa | Using API: QEMU 1.2.12 | 08:44 |
krfa | Running hypervisor: QEMU 2.2.0 | 08:44 |
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jidar | wacky, wonder how far along it is | 09:02 |
jidar | being 1.2.12 | 09:02 |
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jidar | do you have a qemu-kvm bin? | 09:02 |
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Bofu2U | Anyone know of a good example of a network interface file that would support all of the bridges, etc? | 09:20 |
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suresh | Hi i want documentation for openstack highavialability for kilo version | 11:18 |
suresh | please someone help | 11:18 |
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suresh | Hi i want documentation for openstack HA for kilo version | 11:21 |
suresh | please someone help | 11:22 |
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teju | suresh : http://docs.openstack.org/ha-guide/ | 12:09 |
suresh | teju: It is for kilo or liberty? | 12:10 |
teju | suresh: This guide documents OpenStack Liberty, OpenStack Kilo, and OpenStack Juno releases. | 12:11 |
suresh | teju: Thanq | 12:13 |
teju | suresh: welcome | 12:14 |
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mohammad | Hi All | 13:35 |
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mohammad | I Am new At Openstack | 13:35 |
mohammad | I Install Rdo All In One | 13:35 |
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Guest78416 | I Install All In One Rdo | 13:35 |
Guest78416 | And Create Instance | 13:35 |
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Guest78416 | And Associate Float Ip | 13:36 |
Guest78416 | But I Cant Ping Or Ssh To Instance Float Ip | 13:36 |
Guest78416 | Anye Idea | 13:36 |
Guest78416 | ? | 13:36 |
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Guest78416 | any idea? | 13:43 |
Guest78416 | helloo anybuddy there? | 13:44 |
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teju | Guest78416: r u able to ping floating IP from controller and compute nodes? | 13:45 |
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Guest78416 | teju: hello | 13:47 |
Guest78416 | no | 13:47 |
Guest78416 | I Have Single Node (All In One) | 13:47 |
Guest78416 | rdo all in one | 13:47 |
teju | Guest78416 : ok. however, u should be able to ping the floating IP from controller | 13:48 |
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Guest78416 | no i cant | 13:48 |
Guest78416 | but i can ping internal ip | 13:48 |
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Guest78416 | @teju And i can ssh to my instance with thish command : ip netns exec qdhcp-549de5a5-cf41-43b1-a2a2-96c4d6b9bc04 ssh -i key.pem fedora@10.0.0.3 | 13:50 |
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cucumber_ | hi, every time I create an internal network (VXLAN), a router and then attach that network to the router, the DHCP status is "Down" and there is no connectivity with the router (because the instance never get an IP). Maybe is something similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1399249 | 14:01 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1399249 in neutron "Neutron openvswitch-agent doesn't recover ports from binding_failed status" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Nir Magnezi (nmagnezi) | 14:01 |
cucumber_ | I don't care if is VXLAN, LAN, FLAT or whatever, as far as it works... the only way to make it work, is using the default networks and router that comes with the demo project... | 14:02 |
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cucumber_ | so, it's possible to make it owrk | 14:03 |
cucumber_ | please help! | 14:03 |
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teju | Guest78416: can u pls paste the URL to the RDO installation docs u r using/ | 14:10 |
teju | ? | 14:10 |
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Guest78416 | @teju yes forsure | 14:12 |
Guest78416 | @teju https://www.rdoproject.org/install/quickstart/ | 14:12 |
Guest78416 | teju and https://www.rdoproject.org/install/running-an-instance/ | 14:13 |
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teju | Guest78416: what is the command u used to create floating IP? | 14:21 |
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krfa | jidar : virsh # version | 14:23 |
krfa | Compiled against library: libvirt 1.2.12 | 14:23 |
krfa | Using library: libvirt 1.2.12 | 14:23 |
krfa | Using API: QEMU 1.2.12 | 14:23 |
krfa | Running hypervisor: QEMU 2.2.0 | 14:23 |
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Guest78416 | @teju I Dont Use Command I Use Openstack Web Interface(horizon) | 14:34 |
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Pavo | you have to use the admin network portion to create external networks | 14:36 |
Pavo | if you are using horizon dashboard | 14:36 |
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Pavo | create an external network first, then create a internal network and then create a router and connect the 2 | 14:37 |
Pavo | the floating ip should be a ip coming from your external network ip space | 14:38 |
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Guest78416 | @pavo i have external network | 14:39 |
Guest78416 | @pavo And i created it befor that | 14:39 |
Pavo | can you ping the router interface thats connected to your external network? | 14:39 |
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Pavo | did you create and configure your br-ex interface on the allinone server? | 14:40 |
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Guest78416 | @pavo my router ip is 10.0.0.1 | 14:41 |
Guest78416 | @pavo i can ping it | 14:41 |
Guest78416 | @pavo Yes I Use Allinone Packstack | 14:41 |
Pavo | what is the ip space for your external network, the network that is not in openstack | 14:41 |
Guest78416 | @ip of my pc? | 14:41 |
Guest78416 | @pavo ip of my pc? | 14:41 |
Pavo | the address space that your systems are connected to? | 14:42 |
Pavo | physical network | 14:42 |
Guest78416 | @pavo it is 192.168.110.25 | 14:42 |
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Pavo | ok your external network has to be part od that address space | 14:42 |
Guest78416 | @pavo So How I Can Fix That? | 14:43 |
Pavo | so your physical network is 192.168.110.0/24 your openstack external network has to be part of that same 192.168.110.0/24 network | 14:43 |
symydo | Hi! Can someone please help me with openstack? Here is some info: https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/86555/instances-cannot-obtain-ip-from-dhcp/ | 14:43 |
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Pavo | when you create your external network in openstack, assign the gateway as your physical router ip, probably like 192.168.110.1 | 14:44 |
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Pavo | on your openstack server, cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-br-ex | 14:46 |
Pavo | post output | 14:46 |
Pavo | should look like this http://pastebin.com/Jqn0xBcr | 14:47 |
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Guest78416 | Ops! | 14:48 |
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Guest78416 | @pavo Its not exist | 14:48 |
Pavo | thats the reason then | 14:48 |
Guest78416 | @pavo but i have it in my ifconfig | 14:48 |
Pavo | post ifconfig | 14:48 |
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Guest78416 | @pavo http://pastebin.com/jWNbj3Yx | 14:50 |
Pavo | ummm, your br-ex and your eth0 are in 2 different ip spaces | 14:50 |
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Pavo | your br-ex should be bridged to your eth0 | 14:51 |
Guest78416 | @pavo Sorry But How? | 14:51 |
Pavo | which means the IP address scheme from your eth0 should be on your br-ex | 14:51 |
Pavo | and your eth0 shouldn't have an IP | 14:52 |
Pavo | first stop instances in openstack | 14:52 |
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Pavo | I mean terminate | 14:52 |
Pavo | delete all networks | 14:52 |
Pavo | and routers | 14:52 |
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Pavo | after you get done with that I'll walk you through creating your br-ex interface correctly | 14:53 |
Pavo | you did say you are using packstack allinone deployment correct? | 14:53 |
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Guest78416 | @pavo yes | 14:53 |
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Pavo | ok let me know when you have all that done | 14:53 |
Guest78416 | @pavo Big Thx Pavo | 14:53 |
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Pavo | no problem, I was all confused with the networking also when I first started | 14:54 |
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Pavo | wait until you try to send RSPAN and ERSPAN to your neutron network lol | 14:54 |
Pavo | now thats a pita | 14:54 |
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Guest78416 | @pavo sorry i cant Remove it from horizon | 14:58 |
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Pavo | you have to remove it from the Admin section | 14:58 |
Pavo | after you terminate all instances | 14:58 |
Guest78416 | @yes i am at admin seasion | 14:59 |
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Pavo | remove the routers first | 14:59 |
Pavo | then remove the networks | 14:59 |
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Muntaner | hello to everyone. I was playing with my openstack all-in-one installation. I have a lot of VMs launched, and now I noticed that my nova isn't anymore launching instances, giving me a 500 error "no valid host found". | 15:01 |
Muntaner | I was wondering, how can I know the limits of my cloud before I try to launch the instance and get the 500 error? is there an API which gives me such infos? | 15:02 |
Pavo | Muntaner have you excised your quota? | 15:02 |
Pavo | check quota properties under the project you created the instances on | 15:03 |
Pavo | if you went over that limit you will get that error | 15:03 |
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Guest78416 | @pavo done! | 15:04 |
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Guest78416 | @pavo i delete all networks | 15:04 |
Pavo | Guest78416 ok now post ovs-vsctl show | 15:04 |
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Guest78416 | @@pavo emmm Sorry Whatis this | 15:05 |
Pavo | is shows if you are using namespaces for your bridge | 15:05 |
Pavo | looks like this | 15:05 |
Pavo | http://pastebin.com/mbSYae6m | 15:06 |
Guest78416 | [root@localhost ~(keystone_admin)]# ovs-vsctl | 15:06 |
Guest78416 | ovs-vsctl: missing command name (use --help for help) | 15:06 |
Pavo | ovs-vsctl show | 15:06 |
Pavo | thats the whole cmd | 15:06 |
Pavo | you were missing show | 15:06 |
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Guest78416 | http://pastebin.com/VgjCf3T9 | 15:06 |
Guest78416 | @pavo yes u are right its my mistake | 15:07 |
Pavo | need the whole post | 15:07 |
Pavo | not just part | 15:07 |
Guest78416 | its all of that | 15:07 |
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Pavo | hmmm ok | 15:07 |
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Pavo | now post cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 | 15:08 |
Guest78416 | http://pastebin.com/uK9sBKbE | 15:08 |
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Guest78416 | http://pastebin.com/PhEdjTqb | 15:09 |
Pavo | ok edit that to look like this | 15:09 |
Pavo | http://pastebin.com/MLTXnNFy | 15:09 |
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Pavo | nothing else in there | 15:10 |
Pavo | only what I posted | 15:10 |
Guest78416 | no its ok! | 15:11 |
Guest78416 | @pavo sorry u r right | 15:12 |
Guest78416 | http://pastebin.com/009BAhrb | 15:12 |
Guest78416 | @pavo its be captcha problem | 15:12 |
Pavo | huh? | 15:13 |
Pavo | you need to edit that config | 15:13 |
Pavo | to what I posted | 15:13 |
Pavo | first do this | 15:13 |
Pavo | type this cp /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-br-ex | 15:14 |
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Pavo | then edit /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 with vi or nano | 15:14 |
Pavo | and make it look like this http://pastebin.com/MLTXnNFy | 15:14 |
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Pavo | Guest78416 what is your DNS server IP? | 15:16 |
Guest78416 | 8.8.8.8 | 15:17 |
Guest78416 | @Pavo So I Reset The Network Now? | 15:17 |
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Pavo | after you edit eth0 config then edit br-ex config to look like this http://pastebin.com/gn1wPavA | 15:17 |
Pavo | not yet | 15:17 |
Pavo | after you have edited both interface configs | 15:17 |
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Pavo | then after you have done editing both | 15:18 |
Pavo | then do a systemctl restart network | 15:18 |
Pavo | then post your ifconfig again | 15:19 |
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Guest78416 | @pavo http://pastebin.com/CzMFpFUs | 15:21 |
Pavo | there ta go | 15:21 |
Pavo | ya | 15:21 |
Pavo | thats good | 15:21 |
Pavo | now create a external network in horizon admin section | 15:21 |
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Guest78416 | @pavo U Can Help Me On That? | 15:22 |
Pavo | and use Network Type: flat | 15:22 |
Pavo | Physical Network: extnet | 15:22 |
Guest78416 | @pavo I Use Rdo All In One And Rdo Create My Network Automaticly | 15:23 |
Pavo | no it doesn't | 15:23 |
Guest78416 | @pavo So How i Can Do it? | 15:23 |
Pavo | ok lets do it by cmd line | 15:23 |
Pavo | its easier | 15:23 |
Guest78416 | @pavo Yes Its True | 15:24 |
Pavo | are you using Liberty or Kilo? | 15:24 |
Guest78416 | Kilo | 15:24 |
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Pavo | ok run this cmd openstack-config --set /etc/neutron/plugins/openvswitch/ovs_neutron_plugin.ini ovs bridge_mappings extnet:br-ex | 15:25 |
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Pavo | then run this cmd | 15:25 |
Pavo | openstack-config --set /etc/neutron/plugin.ini ml2 type_drivers vxlan,flat,vlan | 15:25 |
Pavo | then | 15:25 |
Pavo | service network restart | 15:26 |
Pavo | service neutron-openvswitch-agent restart | 15:26 |
Guest78416 | [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/etc/neutron/plugins/openvswitch/.ovs_neutron_plugin.ini.crudini.lck' | 15:26 |
Pavo | thats wrong | 15:26 |
Pavo | copy and paste this whole line | 15:26 |
Pavo | openstack-config --set /etc/neutron/plugins/openvswitch/ovs_neutron_plugin.ini ovs bridge_mappings extnet:br-ex | 15:26 |
Guest78416 | Emmm | 15:27 |
Pavo | ? | 15:27 |
Guest78416 | I Think no directory with name openvsitch | 15:27 |
Pavo | then you are using Liberty | 15:27 |
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Guest78416 | @pavo Ops Realy Sorry I Am Realy Bad NewBie | 15:28 |
Pavo | ok hang on | 15:28 |
Pavo | ok try this cmd | 15:28 |
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Pavo | openstack-config --set /etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/openvswitch_agent.ini ovs bridge_mappings extnet:br-ex | 15:29 |
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Guest78416 | OK! DONE | 15:29 |
Pavo | ok now use this cmd | 15:29 |
Pavo | openstack-config --set /etc/neutron/plugin.ini ml2 type_drivers vxlan,flat,vlan | 15:29 |
Guest78416 | Done! | 15:30 |
Pavo | now | 15:30 |
Pavo | service network restart | 15:30 |
Pavo | service neutron-openvswitch-agent restart | 15:30 |
Pavo | service neutron-server restart | 15:30 |
Pavo | one at a time | 15:30 |
aryklein | where can I read how to install and configure lbaas (octavia in Liberty) without using devstack script? | 15:31 |
Guest78416 | done Boss | 15:31 |
Pavo | aryklein https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/HowToRun | 15:31 |
Pavo | Guest78416 ok now type this cmd | 15:32 |
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Pavo | . keystonerc_admin | 15:32 |
Pavo | neutron net-create external_network --provider:network_type flat --provider:physical_network extnet --router:external --shared | 15:32 |
Guest78416 | Done! | 15:33 |
Pavo | ok now something you need to figure out | 15:33 |
Guest78416 | bIG tHX bRO | 15:33 |
Guest78416 | Now I Going To Test That | 15:33 |
Pavo | how many IPs are being used on your physical network from the 192.168.110.0/26 | 15:33 |
aryklein | Pavo: thanks! | 15:33 |
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Pavo | you aren't done yet Guest78416 | 15:34 |
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Guest78416 | @pavo about 10 ip on 192.168.110.0/27 | 15:34 |
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Pavo | your subnet mask was 255.255.255.224 correct? | 15:35 |
Pavo | thats a /26 | 15:35 |
Guest78416 | @pavo 224 its 27 its not? | 15:35 |
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maurosr | guys anyone knows how to set default quotas using python-openstackclient? | 15:36 |
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Pavo | mybad | 15:36 |
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Pavo | it is a /27 | 15:36 |
Pavo | ok anyways | 15:36 |
Pavo | so now for this cmd | 15:36 |
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maurosr | I can set per tenant, but I couldn't figure out a way to set default quota for future created tenants ( nova quota-class-update --ram 10000 default does the job for novaclient) | 15:37 |
Pavo | neutron subnet-create --name public_subnet --enable_dhcp=False --allocation-pool=start=192.168.110.20,end=192.168.110.30 --gateway=192.168.110.1 external_network 192.168.110.0/27 | 15:37 |
Pavo | and then this cmd | 15:37 |
Pavo | neutron router-create router1 | 15:38 |
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Pavo | neutron router-gateway-set router1 external_network | 15:38 |
Guest78416 | all done! | 15:38 |
Pavo | after that, you can go into horizon dashboard and create an internal network | 15:38 |
Pavo | and add a interface from the internal network to the router | 15:39 |
Pavo | and launch your instances off the internal network and associate a floating IP from your external network | 15:39 |
Pavo | and you are all done | 15:39 |
Guest78416 | @ i have just a problem | 15:39 |
Guest78416 | How I Create Good Internal Network | 15:39 |
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Pavo | ok in cmd line like this | 15:40 |
Pavo | neutron net-create private_network | 15:40 |
Guest78416 | Done | 15:40 |
Pavo | neutron subnet-create --name private_subnet private_network 10.0.0.0/24 | 15:40 |
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Pavo | neutron router-interface-add router1 private_subnet | 15:40 |
Pavo | and thats it | 15:40 |
Guest78416 | done | 15:40 |
Guest78416 | @pavo All of that ok now? | 15:41 |
Pavo | now you have an external network that connects to your physical network and a internal network that connects to your external network with a router | 15:41 |
Pavo | yes all done | 15:41 |
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Pavo | I would suggest changing your physical network IP scheme to a /24 if you plan on using more than 10 floating IPs | 15:42 |
symydo | @Pavo can you please try to resolve my issues with openstack networking? :) | 15:42 |
Pavo | symydo whats your issue | 15:42 |
symydo | @Pavo https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/86555/instances-cannot-obtain-ip-from-dhcp/ | 15:42 |
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Pavo | hmmm I remember something about dhcp tenant isolation that fixes that issue | 15:43 |
Pavo | let me see if I can find that again | 15:43 |
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Guest78416 | External network 78698729-3a60-4e56-bef0-6f99da08b0b8 is not reachable from subnet 18e4ebd2-1103-4df5-af3e-9e434509e026. Therefore, cannot associate Port f899f0a5-0350-4220-a7d7-739e433cb7cf with a Floating IP. | 15:44 |
symydo | @Pavo thanks in advance | 15:44 |
Guest78416 | @pavo Sorry again | 15:44 |
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Guest78416 | @pavo error! | 15:44 |
Pavo | Guest78416 then you didn't do all the cmds I gave you | 15:44 |
Guest78416 | @pavo realy big thx | 15:44 |
Pavo | did you run neutron router-interface-add router1 private_subnet | 15:44 |
Guest78416 | @pavo my time work is over | 15:44 |
Guest78416 | @pavo i shuold go | 15:44 |
Pavo | ok good luck | 15:45 |
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Guest78416 | @pavo i connect with you again | 15:46 |
Guest78416 | @pavo thx again | 15:46 |
Pavo | np | 15:46 |
Pavo | symydo do this | 15:46 |
Pavo | cat /etc/neutron/dhcp_agent.ini | 15:46 |
Pavo | and post output to pastebin | 15:46 |
symydo | @Pavo http://pastebin.com/apvD2KLn | 15:47 |
Pavo | yeap you have iut set to True | 15:47 |
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Pavo | needs to be set to Flase | 15:48 |
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Pavo | change enable_isolated_metadata = True | 15:48 |
Pavo | to enable_isolated_metadata = False | 15:48 |
Pavo | then restart all openstack services | 15:48 |
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symydo | @Pavo all openstack services or just neutron services ? | 15:48 |
Pavo | I would do a complete restart but thats just me | 15:49 |
Pavo | you can try just neutron services | 15:49 |
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symydo | @Pavo Ok, I will restart all of them | 15:49 |
aryklein | Pavo: I'm following your link to configure lbaas in neutron, but if I put "service_plugins = router,neutron.plugins.services.agent_loadbalancer.plugin.LoadBalancerPluginv2" in /etc/neutron/neutron.conf, it gives me error | 15:49 |
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Pavo | aryklein sorry I am not good with LBaaS | 15:51 |
aryklein | Pavo: don't worry :) | 15:51 |
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Pavo | symydo did that work? | 15:55 |
symydo | @Pavo I rebooted controller and compute. Started old instance - situation is the same | 15:55 |
Pavo | hmmm | 15:55 |
Pavo | then it must be a new bug | 15:55 |
Pavo | do you have dhcp agent enabled on that tenant network? | 15:56 |
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symydo | @Pavo if you mean is dhcp enabled for subnet then yes. | 15:56 |
symydo | @Pavo I have almost the same installation but all services on one hardware and everything is working fine. :( | 15:57 |
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Pavo | what did you use to deploy openstack? | 15:58 |
Pavo | packstack? | 15:58 |
symydo | @Pavo nope. Official documentation from here: http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/install-guide-ubuntu/common/conventions.html | 15:58 |
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symydo | @Pavo manual installation :) | 15:58 |
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Pavo | ah I'm not sure for manual installs | 15:58 |
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Pavo | I use packstack to deploy | 15:59 |
Pavo | but thats only for RHEL/CentOS | 15:59 |
symydo | @Pavo that's terrible. you was my only hope | 15:59 |
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Pavo | sry :( | 15:59 |
Pavo | but have you tried a different image other than Cirros? | 15:59 |
symydo | @Pavo thanks for your time anyway | 15:59 |
Pavo | like a normal ubuntu cloud image? | 16:00 |
symydo | @Pavo I tried ubuntu trusty but it doesn't have any user's passwords so I'm unable to login via VNC | 16:00 |
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Pavo | no cloud image has a user password | 16:00 |
symydo | @Pavo yes, it was normal ubuntu cloud image | 16:00 |
Pavo | you have to connect as ssh with your keypair | 16:00 |
symydo | @Pavo except with cirros image which you can login using password | 16:01 |
Pavo | but you can see the logs in the instance details | 16:01 |
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Pavo | try a normal ubuntu cloud image and just look at the instance log detail | 16:01 |
symydo | @Pavo with cirros I was able to realize that static IP fixes the problem, but with ubuntu I can only see the same problem - no IP from DHCP | 16:01 |
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symydo | @Pavo maybe you know someone providing openstack support services for such problems? | 16:03 |
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Pavo | then I am not sure what the issue is then | 16:03 |
Pavo | sry only support I know of is in this channel | 16:03 |
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symydo | @Pavo alright. Thank you for your time. | 16:03 |
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Verilium | I'm using neutron with multiple external networks. Is it possible to make it so some of these external networks are only visible to some tenants and not some others? | 16:04 |
Pavo | no problem, hope you figure it out | 16:04 |
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Pavo | Verilium, sure only allocate floating IPs from whatever external network you want to expose them to | 16:04 |
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Verilium | Hmmm... | 16:04 |
Pavo | and only set the external networks you want exposed to tenant networks as public | 16:05 |
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Pavo | all others not as public | 16:05 |
Verilium | pavo: Well, thing is, some tenants would need to see these external networks, and some others would not. | 16:06 |
Pavo | so you want to specify what external networks certain tenant networks can use? | 16:07 |
Verilium | Pavo: What prevents a tenant from allocating themselves IPs in an external network? Well, other than if there's no more available that is, heh. | 16:07 |
Verilium | Pavo: Yep. | 16:07 |
Pavo | hmmm | 16:07 |
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Verilium | Right now, when they associate a floating IP to an instance, they can allocate more floating IPs to themselves, and they can pick from 3 external networks. | 16:08 |
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Pavo | thats a good question that I am not able to answer | 16:08 |
Pavo | because afaik when you Share a external network, it is shared to all tenants | 16:09 |
Verilium | Yeah, I'm seeing the same thing. | 16:09 |
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Verilium | Well, I guess I could allocate all the available IPs so they can't get new ones from the pools I don't want them to use. :P | 16:09 |
Pavo | I would actually like to see how to separate those myself | 16:10 |
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Pavo | yeah I am not seeing anyway to separate them | 16:12 |
Pavo | thats a damn good idea though | 16:12 |
Pavo | so are you using VLANs as external networks? | 16:12 |
Verilium | Pavo: Yes and no. I'm doing the VLAN configs outside of openstack at the OS level. | 16:13 |
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Pavo | ok so in openstack you are just assigning those physical interfaces and FLAT and as External | 16:14 |
Verilium | Pavo: Yep, exactly. | 16:14 |
Verilium | I wanted to try tagging vlans via openstack but didn't get a chance to try it out and needed things to work a bit rapidly... | 16:14 |
Pavo | wouldn't it be easier to just create VLAN networks and assign them as external? | 16:14 |
Pavo | the best way to do that is to trunk the physical interfaces on the physical machine and just use VLAN networks inside openstack | 16:15 |
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Pavo | with mine I have physical network interface plugged into a trunk port on the switch, then I have that interface at the OS lvl as eth0 > br-ex > physnet0 > vlan 100 | 16:16 |
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Verilium | So an eth1.115 at the OS, a br-ex-115 at the OVS level, and a phy-br-ex-115 port. And put phy-br-ex-115 as physical network in ostack, and flat. | 16:17 |
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Pavo | and the instances in that tenant network only talk to machines on vlan 100 outside openstack | 16:17 |
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Verilium | Pavo: Yeah, that's the part I thought about, but didn't get a chance to try... I had a feeling ostack would/could do the tagging, but didn't get a chance to try it. That would definitely have been more ideal. Less configs to do at the OS level. | 16:18 |
Pavo | exactly | 16:18 |
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Pavo | because at OS lvl you are making subinterfaces | 16:18 |
Pavo | correct | 16:18 |
Pavo | ? | 16:18 |
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Verilium | The switch port is already trunked and allowing all vlans, so I definitely could have done it. Just wasn't sure it would work without trying it. | 16:19 |
Verilium | Yeah. | 16:19 |
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Verilium | I'll try with my next deployment at another datacenter or in testing. At least, I shoudn't be adding many external networks anymore, so it's not that bad. | 16:19 |
Pavo | mine allows me to use only 1 interface for all traffic | 16:19 |
Pavo | or I can team multiple interfaces and assign them | 16:20 |
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Pavo | as eth0-eth4 teamed > team-1 > br-ex > physnet0 > vlan 100 - 500 | 16:21 |
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Verilium | I messed around so much to get it working with multiple external networks, that once I found a working formula, I think I just went with it instead of trying alternatives. :P | 16:23 |
Pavo | understandable | 16:23 |
Pavo | lol | 16:23 |
Pavo | openstack networking can be daunting | 16:23 |
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Verilium | The thing is, I'm also coming from a fuel deployed environment. So I wanted to change things around so that Fuel woudn't break for future deployed nodes. | 16:23 |
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Pavo | yeah I think segments all networks out | 16:24 |
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Pavo | I meant I think FUEL segments all networks out | 16:24 |
Verilium | Yeah, it definitely was. And, as with all things open source, I have this habit of finding, sometimes, a bit "too many" sources of information, and trying to concatenate it all gets a bit... confusing... | 16:24 |
Pavo | yeah | 16:25 |
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Verilium | Pavo: Fuel's default behaviour is one static external network. | 16:25 |
Pavo | true but I mean fuel makes a network for external, a different network for management and a different network for control to compute comms | 16:25 |
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Pavo | unless they changed that | 16:26 |
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Pavo | I haven't used fuel since fuel 5 | 16:26 |
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Verilium | Oh yeah, they make a bunch of em. | 16:26 |
Pavo | I use packstack now | 16:26 |
Pavo | WAY easier | 16:26 |
Pavo | for me at least | 16:26 |
Verilium | Mgmt, storage, private, pxe... | 16:27 |
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Verilium | It seems to "make sense", and I like how they've architectured things. Works quite nicely up to now. | 16:27 |
Pavo | still think the best solution would to use openstack as VLAN tenant networks and assign which VLANs you want as external | 16:28 |
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Pavo | VLAN provider networks I mean | 16:28 |
Verilium | Yeah. | 16:28 |
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Verilium | I gotta try it out next time. I've started getting people onto this environment, so it's a bit harder to make big changes now. :P | 16:29 |
Pavo | yeah | 16:29 |
Pavo | just schedule a maintenance day :) | 16:29 |
Pavo | but I do the like the idea of being able to assign multiple external networks and only allow certain tenant networks to specific external networks | 16:30 |
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Pavo | would send that up as a suggestion | 16:31 |
Verilium | Yeah. It's all about permissions in the end. | 16:31 |
Pavo | yeap | 16:32 |
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evilrob | woohoo!!! my first big cluster down problem in prod | 17:31 |
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evilrob | turns out one of my ceph boxen is down. This wouldn't be a big deal but I only had 2 as dev stole one of the three to be a DB server. (they never used it) | 17:44 |
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gerhardqux | evilrob: can't you bring it back up? | 17:51 |
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zhenq | can I use nova get-vnc-console command to get spice console URL as well? | 17:53 |
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evilrob | gerhardqux: yeah... it was off IPMI even. Got remote hands to boot it. | 18:00 |
evilrob | it's up and running again. | 18:00 |
evilrob | not seen deep scrub in the logs before. | 18:00 |
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gerhardqux | evilrob: that's a regular maintainance job. Check 'ceph health detail' and wait until no pgs are undersized anymore | 18:01 |
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evilrob | cool... all I've got is "HEALTH_WARN clock skew detected on mon.phl-ceph-02" | 18:02 |
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evilrob | I've always had that even though the skew is less than a couple of ms | 18:02 |
gerhardqux | oh, lucky you :) | 18:03 |
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mariusb | Hello, Coult anyone to help me with some questions? | 18:14 |
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mariusb | Hello, Could anyone to help me with some questions? i;m new and I need some help | 18:15 |
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Diplomat | i doubt someone will answer you if you dont ask your question | 18:15 |
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aryklein | Sam-I-Am: hi, are you there? | 18:16 |
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baker | mariusb: go ahead - I'm sure someone will help | 18:20 |
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aryklein | mariusb: just ask | 18:21 |
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aryklein | mariusb: just ask what is your problem | 18:22 |
mariusb | I have a project with openstack (JUNO version) and I must to add other compute nodes | 18:23 |
mariusb | the OS is centOS7 | 18:23 |
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mariusb | and in generally I have some error and after 3 days of working I decided to upgrade to liberty version | 18:24 |
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aryklein | mariusb: did you follow the "http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/install-guide-rdo/nova-compute-install.html" guide? | 18:25 |
mariusb | now my questions is: can someboday recoment one OS? | 18:25 |
aryklein | mariusb: I use ubuntu 14.04 | 18:26 |
mariusb | I try to install liberty on my workstations (on CentOS) and I have some error with keystone | 18:26 |
aryklein | mariusb: I think you should be more accurate with your question | 18:26 |
mariusb | just a sec, I will provide the error | 18:27 |
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Guest75 | Can anyone tell me if it's possible to do the vlan bridge interface on top of an untagged bond? And if so, how? Seems to cause havoc whenever I attempt. | 19:47 |
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mariusb | Hi. I come back, I tried to install liberty on centOS and when I try to sync database I have the following error | 20:03 |
mariusb | [root@controller ~]# /bin/sh -c "keystone-manage db_sync" keystone | 20:03 |
mariusb | No handlers could be found for logger "oslo_config.cfg" | 20:03 |
mariusb | any hints? | 20:04 |
mariusb | those stepts I used: http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/install-guide-rdo/keystone-install.html | 20:05 |
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larsks | mariusb: That's not really a meaningful error, although it may indicate a configuration issue. Does anything show up in /var/log/keystone, or if you run it with '--debug'? | 20:05 |
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Pavo | if you are using centos then you should be deploying openstack with packstack | 20:06 |
larsks | Well, I would say "could" rather than "should", because it depends on your goals. But if your goal is to get openstack up and running quickly in a non-HA config, then yes, packstack is a good choice. | 20:06 |
Pavo | true | 20:07 |
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Pavo | and you can also use packstack to add more compute nodes after initial deployment | 20:09 |
mariusb | [root@controller ~]# tail -f /var/log/keystone/keystone.log | 20:10 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 22:00:10.648 23869 INFO migrate.versioning.api [-] 2 -> 3... | 20:10 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 22:00:10.664 23869 INFO migrate.versioning.api [-] done | 20:10 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 22:00:10.664 23869 INFO migrate.versioning.api [-] 3 -> 4... | 20:10 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 22:00:10.740 23869 INFO migrate.versioning.api [-] done | 20:10 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 22:00:10.740 23869 INFO migrate.versioning.api [-] 4 -> 5... | 20:10 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 22:00:10.783 23869 INFO migrate.versioning.api [-] done | 20:10 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 22:00:10.822 23869 INFO migrate.versioning.api [-] 0 -> 1... | 20:11 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 22:00:10.852 23869 INFO migrate.versioning.api [-] done | 20:11 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 22:00:10.852 23869 INFO migrate.versioning.api [-] 1 -> 2... | 20:11 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 22:00:10.880 23869 INFO migrate.versioning.api [-] done | 20:11 |
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larsks | mariusb: That looks like everything worked fine, actually. | 20:11 |
mariusb | I find the problem | 20:11 |
mariusb | [DEFAULT] | 20:12 |
mariusb | ... | 20:12 |
mariusb | verbose = True | 20:12 |
mariusb | after I comment this line works fine | 20:12 |
larsks | You didn't actually have a problem in the first place. You probably want to leave verbose=True right now, because you'll end up with more useful information in your logs. | 20:12 |
larsks | Set verbose=False once you get everything working. | 20:13 |
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mariusb | I receive the same error when Ia used verbose parameter | 20:15 |
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mariusb | I will continue install :) without verbose :) | 20:16 |
mariusb | :( | 20:16 |
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larsks | mariusb: For what it's worth, the first thing anyone is going to ask if you run into another problem is to turn on verbose logging. But, whatever works for you, I guess. | 20:23 |
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mariusb | yes, i know, I want to start verbose not work in no way: verbose=True; verbose=true; verbose = True; verbose = true | 20:28 |
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mariusb | I openstack service create --name keystone --description "OpenStack Identity" identity | 20:30 |
mariusb | Internal Server Error (HTTP 500) | 20:30 |
mariusb | telnet controller 35357 | 20:30 |
mariusb | Trying 192.168.11.114... | 20:30 |
mariusb | Connected to controller. | 20:30 |
mariusb | Escape character is '^]'. | 20:30 |
mariusb | test | 20:30 |
mariusb | <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN"> | 20:30 |
mariusb | <html><head> | 20:30 |
mariusb | <title>500 Internal Server Error</title> | 20:30 |
mariusb | </head><body> | 20:30 |
mariusb | <h1>Internal Server Error</h1> | 20:30 |
mariusb | <p>The server encountered an internal error or | 20:30 |
mariusb | misconfiguration and was unable to complete | 20:30 |
mariusb | your request.</p> | 20:30 |
mariusb | <p>Please contact the server administrator at | 20:30 |
persia | mariusb: You may find http://paste.openstack.org useful | 20:30 |
mariusb | ok, i'll do that | 20:31 |
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mariusb | http://paste.openstack.org/show/482548/ | 20:32 |
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aryklein | mariusb: did you change the ADMIN_TOKEN? | 20:35 |
mariusb | no, I used as a pass ADMIN_TOKEN | 20:36 |
aryklein | it shoud be the same as ADMIN_TOKEN in "/etc/keystone/keystone.conf" | 20:37 |
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aryklein | mariusb: check the "Install and configure components" in http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/install-guide-rdo/keystone-install.html#install-and-configure-components | 20:38 |
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aryklein | does anybody has configured lbaas version 2? with octavia in Liberty | 20:39 |
aryklein | i don't use devstack | 20:40 |
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tty00_ | hi! sorry for all my noob questions, it okay if you get tired of me ;) | 20:52 |
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tty00_ | what is the procedure if i want to replace a unused cinder node? | 20:53 |
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tty00_ | i think it might be good to deactivate the current cinder node at the controller | 20:53 |
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mariusb | openstack service create --name keystone --description "OpenStack Identity" identity | 21:23 |
mariusb | Internal Server Error (HTTP 500) | 21:23 |
mariusb | any ideea? | 21:23 |
mariusb | a recheck all the cfg | 21:23 |
mariusb | is looks ok | 21:23 |
tty00_ | any clues in the logfiles? | 21:23 |
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mariusb | 68.11.114 - - [22/Dec/2015:22:55:08 +0200] "POST /v3/services HTTP/1.1" 500 527 "-" "python-keystoneclient" | 21:25 |
mariusb | 192.168.11.114 - - [22/Dec/2015:23:02:27 +0200] "POST /v3/services HTTP/1.1" 500 527 "-" "python-keystoneclient" | 21:25 |
mariusb | 192.168.11.114 - - [22/Dec/2015:23:07:48 +0200] "POST /v3/services HTTP/1.1" 500 527 "-" "python-keystoneclient" | 21:25 |
mariusb | 192.168.11.114 - - [22/Dec/2015:23:15:20 +0200] "POST /v3/services HTTP/1.1" 500 527 "-" "python-keystoneclient" | 21:25 |
mariusb | 192.168.11.114 - - [22/Dec/2015:23:16:03 +0200] "POST /v3/services HTTP/1.1" 500 527 "-" "python-keystoneclient" | 21:25 |
mariusb | 192.168.11.114 - - [22/Dec/2015:23:16:28 +0200] "POST /v3/services HTTP/1.1" 500 527 "-" "python-keystoneclient" | 21:25 |
mariusb | ::1 - - [22/Dec/2015:23:18:27 +0200] "POST /v3/services HTTP/1.1" 500 527 "-" "python-keystoneclient" | 21:25 |
mariusb | 192.168.11.114 - - [22/Dec/2015:23:20:26 +0200] "POST /v3/services HTTP/1.1" 500 527 "-" "python-keystoneclient" | 21:25 |
mariusb | 192.168.11.114 - - [22/Dec/2015:23:23:19 +0200] "POST /v3/services HTTP/1.1" 500 527 "-" "python-keystoneclient" | 21:25 |
mariusb | [root@controller ~]# | 21:25 |
mariusb | in cat /var/log/httpd/keystone-access.log | 21:25 |
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mariusb | I cannot connect on controller/localhost on 35357 | 21:26 |
tty00_ | are you using selinux? | 21:26 |
mariusb | tcp6 0 0 :::35357 :::* LISTEN 27506/httpd | 21:26 |
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mariusb | probably yes | 21:26 |
tty00_ | iptables? | 21:26 |
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mariusb | how can disable or what I must to do with selinux? | 21:27 |
mariusb | just a sec | 21:27 |
tty00_ | does a ''grep AVC /var/log/audit/audit.log'' give you anything? | 21:27 |
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tty00_ | what dist are you using? | 21:27 |
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tty00_ | have you started keystone? | 21:28 |
mariusb | http://paste.openstack.org/?reply_to=482548 | 21:28 |
mariusb | on end of file | 21:28 |
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mariusb | is not form iptables, I;m sure | 21:29 |
tty00_ | no, a 500 error is from the apache, so you have a tcp session | 21:30 |
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mariusb | yes, y are right | 21:30 |
tty00_ | what dist are you using? | 21:31 |
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mariusb | lastest | 21:31 |
mariusb | with all upgrade | 21:31 |
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mariusb | all is up to date | 21:31 |
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tty00_ | i was thinking of linux dist like centos, ubuntu or suse? | 21:32 |
mariusb | centos | 21:32 |
mariusb | sorry | 21:32 |
tty00_ | did audit.log reveal any selinux issues? | 21:33 |
mariusb | cat /etc/redhat-release | 21:33 |
mariusb | CentOS Linux release 7.2.1511 (Core) | 21:33 |
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mariusb | type=USER_END msg=audit(1450819801.941:824): pid=32023 uid=0 auid=0 ses=41 subj=system_u:system_r:crond_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 msg='op=PAM:session_close grantors=pam_loginuid,pam_keyinit,pam_limits,pam_systemd acct="root" exe="/usr/sbin/crond" hostname=? addr=? terminal=cron res=success' | 21:34 |
tty00_ | grep AVC /var/log/audit.log | 21:35 |
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mariusb | is not about httpd | 21:35 |
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tty00_ | depends, selinux might prohibit apache to connect to wsgi socket | 21:36 |
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mariusb | [root@controller ~]# telnet controller 35357 | 21:36 |
mariusb | Trying 192.168.11.114... | 21:36 |
mariusb | Connected to controller. | 21:36 |
mariusb | Escape character is '^]'. | 21:36 |
mariusb | te^H^Hask | 21:36 |
mariusb | <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN"> | 21:36 |
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mariusb | <title>500 Internal Server Error</title> | 21:36 |
mariusb | </head><body> | 21:36 |
mariusb | <h1>Internal Server Error</h1> | 21:36 |
mariusb | <p>The server encountered an internal error or | 21:36 |
mariusb | misconfiguration and was unable to complete | 21:36 |
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mariusb | http://paste.openstack.org/show/482553/ | 21:37 |
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tty00_ | no denied from selinux about httpd at least | 21:39 |
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tty00_ | does your httpd error log says anything about this? | 21:40 |
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mariusb | IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/log/keystone/keystone.log' | 21:42 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 23:42:04.591949 mod_wsgi (pid=32630): Target WSGI script '/usr/bin/keystone-wsgi-admin' cannot be loaded as Python module. | 21:42 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 23:42:04.591982 mod_wsgi (pid=32630): Exception occurred processing WSGI script '/usr/bin/keystone-wsgi-admin'. | 21:42 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 23:42:04.592000 Traceback (most recent call last): | 21:42 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 23:42:04.592013 File "/usr/bin/keystone-wsgi-admin", line 36, in <module> | 21:42 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 23:42:04.592055 application = initialize_admin_application() | 21:42 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 23:42:04.592061 File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/keystone/server/wsgi.py", line 78, in initialize_admin_application | 21:42 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 23:42:04.592096 return initialize_application('admin') | 21:42 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 23:42:04.592102 File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/keystone/server/wsgi.py", line 51, in initialize_application | 21:42 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 23:42:04.592111 common.configure() | 21:42 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 23:42:04.592114 File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/keystone/server/common.py", line 39, in configure | 21:42 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 23:42:04.592139 config.setup_logging() | 21:42 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 23:42:04.592144 File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/keystone/config.py", line 56, in setup_logging | 21:42 |
mariusb | 2015-12-22 23:42:04.592175 log.setup(CONF, 'keystone') | 21:42 |
evilrob | well crap... I usually consider summit a nice opportunity for a boondoggle on the company. Unfortunately it's in Austin next year (so am I) | 21:42 |
evilrob | mariusb: consider using pastebin or similar for log dumps | 21:42 |
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mariusb | http://paste.openstack.org/show/482554/ | 21:43 |
evilrob | I'd say that your /var/log/keystone/keystone.log file is probably owned by root from a time when you ran it with sudo and debugging | 21:43 |
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tty00_ | mariusb: chown keystone: /var/log/keystone/keystone.log | 21:44 |
mariusb | same error | 21:45 |
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mariusb | i guess is some problem with keystone not httpd | 21:45 |
mariusb | is work | 21:46 |
mariusb | now | 21:46 |
mariusb | probably chown keystone: /var/log/keystone/keystone.log | 21:46 |
mariusb | this was the trik | 21:46 |
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mariusb | thk tty00_ | 21:46 |
mariusb | THX | 21:47 |
tty00_ | np | 21:47 |
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mariusb | openstack endpoint create --region RegionOne identity admin http://controller:35357/v2.0 | 22:25 |
mariusb | Internal Server Error (HTTP 500) | 22:25 |
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mariusb | "GET /v3/services?name=identity HTTP/1.1" 500 527 "-" "python-keystoneclient" | 22:25 |
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mariusb | 192.168.11.114 - - [23/Dec/2015:00:07:05 +0200] "GET /v3/services/identity HTTP/1.1" 404 93 "-" "python-keystoneclient" | 22:25 |
mariusb | 192.168.11.114 - - [23/Dec/2015:00:07:05 +0200] "GET /v3/services?name=identity HTTP/1.1" 200 120 "-" "python-keystoneclient" | 22:25 |
mariusb | 192.168.11.114 - - [23/Dec/2015:00:07:05 +0200] "GET /v3/services?type=identity HTTP/1.1" 500 527 "-" "python-keystoneclient" | 22:25 |
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mariusb | INFO keystone.common.wsgi [req-40b0f565-426a-48a4-b052-d2f88141cedb - - - - -] GET http://controller:35357/v3/services?name=identity | 22:26 |
mariusb | 2015-12-23 00:02:52.457 32631 WARNING keystone.common.controller [req-40b0f565-426a-48a4-b052-d2f88141cedb - - - - -] RBAC: Bypassing authorization | 22:26 |
mariusb | 2015-12-23 00:03:23.516 32633 INFO keystone.common.wsgi [req-d6f4c11f-7817-4f0d-a4c6-7410ec82681b - - - - -] POST http://controller:35357/v3/services | 22:26 |
mariusb | 2015-12-23 00:03:23.517 32633 WARNING keystone.common.controller [req-d6f4c11f-7817-4f0d-a4c6-7410ec82681b - - - - -] RBAC: Bypassing authorization | 22:26 |
mariusb | any idee? | 22:26 |
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mariusb | any hints? | 22:33 |
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tty00_ | i have no clue | 22:39 |
tty00_ | can google help you with the issue? | 22:40 |
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jidar | anybody know off hand how to get the file location of swift objects | 23:14 |
jidar | I see that you define it as a device in your ring-building | 23:15 |
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jidar | but in the case where the device is just a disk in the controller, where would it be | 23:15 |
jidar | (and not a dedicated disk mind you) | 23:15 |
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jidar | ah, figured it out | 23:17 |
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