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| sticker | Anyone know if it is possible to add additional VXLAN endpoints to a DVR environment? Added to the ml2_vxlan_endpoints table but ovs_neutron_agent ignores it because l2_pop is true. | 01:18 |
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| jidar | sticker: when you say endpoint do you mean a gateway or just another device sitting on that vxlan segment? | 02:31 |
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| sticker | jidar: Just another device sitting in the underlay network that can use vxlan | 02:53 |
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| sticker | jidar: I've written drivers to automate the configuration of the device, and if I manually add the endpoint to br-tun it all works, but I am hoping I can have it so the openvswitch agent can automatically add the endpoint as part of the configuration | 02:55 |
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| jidar | hurm, with l2_population I'm not sure | 04:10 |
| jidar | the default on this rhel build is using multicast | 04:11 |
| jidar | without l2pop | 04:11 |
| jidar | so I imagine you could subscribe to the right address on that setup | 04:11 |
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| sticker | jidar: it might be the release of RDO i am using (Due to commercial support for a third party tool I am stuck on Kilo). in /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/neutron/plugins/openvswitch/agent/ovs_neutron_agent.py the _check_agent_configurations function says if I am using DVR with VXlan I have to have l2 pop on. In the tunnel_sync function it will only create those tunnels on startup if | 04:20 |
| sticker | l2_pop is disabled | 04:20 |
| sticker | to be honest, i'm tempted to find out if I can submit a spec to add a column to ml2_vxlan_endpoints to flag if it is an internal or external endpoint and patch this to create all tunnels if l2_pop is false, and only external ones if l2_pop is true | 04:21 |
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| jidar | DVR on kilo is, as I understand it, pretty freshly baked and not really ready for prime time | 04:22 |
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| sticker | yeah, it's pretty green in Kilo (but impressively stable and fast). We were expecting to have been able to upgrade to at least Liberty by now, but thats another story >.< | 04:26 |
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| jidar | osp8 is pretty green right now too if you're on rhel | 04:27 |
| jidar | dunno about rdo-liberty though | 04:27 |
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| sticker | we use a smattering of RHEL around the place. Had a chat with a few RedHat engineers the other day about their configuration (And got myself a new red hat of course) | 04:31 |
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| sticker | I don't think we'll be moving any time soon though haha | 04:31 |
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| shimonz | Could someone help me with an issue with dashboard configuration? | 05:00 |
| shimonz | I searched the ask.openstack, no one posted something similar | 05:01 |
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| shimonz | horizon is sending a request for auth/login to the keystone and receives 'resource not found' in the message | 05:02 |
| shimonz | http error 404 | 05:02 |
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| shimonz | could anyone help on https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/92008/horizon-login-failed-with-resource-not-available/ (being moderated as we speak) | 05:11 |
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| sticker | shimonz: what messages are you getting in the httpd access log on the keystone server? | 05:18 |
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| shimonz | where would you like me to post that log? | 05:19 |
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| shimonz | to sum it up: Login failed for user "admin" | 05:20 |
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| shimonz | sorry, that is on the dashboard error.log | 05:20 |
| shimonz | I have a separate machine for the dashboard and for the controller | 05:20 |
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| sticker | yeah, we would want to check the http access log to see what horizon is trying to get | 05:21 |
| sticker | for keystone | 05:21 |
| shimonz | I posted the messages between the horizon and the keystone server on the ask.openstack | 05:21 |
| shimonz | I tcpdumped it | 05:21 |
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| shimonz | this is the json: {"auth": {"scope": {"unscoped": {}}, "identity": {"password": {"user": {"domain": {"name": "default"}, "password": "root", "name": "admin"}}, "methods": ["password"]}} | 05:22 |
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| shimonz | that is the reply: {"error": {"message": "The resource could not be found.", "code": 404, "title": "Not Found"}} | 05:23 |
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| sticker | what URI is it trying to access? | 05:23 |
| sticker | i can't see your post on ask.openstack.org | 05:24 |
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| shimonz | it is being moderated | 05:24 |
| shimonz | do you see the json request/reply I posted here? | 05:24 |
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| sticker | yes, but that doesn't tell me the URI you posted it to. was it /v2.0/tokens? /v3/auth/tokens? | 05:25 |
| shimonz | POST /v3.0/auth/tokens HTTP/1.1 | 05:26 |
| sticker | there is likely your problem | 05:26 |
| sticker | v3 identity uses /v3/auth/tokens not v3.0 | 05:27 |
| sticker | check your local_settings file in horizon and make sure the URI it is pointing to is correct | 05:27 |
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| sticker | probably the OPENSTACK_KEYSTONE_URL setting | 05:28 |
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| shimonz | yep | 05:29 |
| shimonz | changed it, testing | 05:29 |
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| sticker | make sure you restart httpd aswell so it picks up the config | 05:30 |
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| shimonz | yes | 05:30 |
| shimonz | now keystone is doing things | 05:31 |
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| sticker | cool, glad to hear :) | 05:32 |
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| shimonz | yes thanks | 05:33 |
| sticker | np | 05:35 |
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| absbang | can anyone guide me (give a link or description) of how to attain high availability on compute nodes | 08:07 |
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| absbang | in other words... have an instance (or two) run in HA mode | 08:07 |
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| Fl1nt | Hi everyone! | 09:11 |
| yankcrime | absbang: http://aspiers.github.io/compute-ha-presentation/#/cover-page | 09:11 |
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| yankcrime | that gives a good overview of your options as they stand today | 09:11 |
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| yankcrime | (and emerging projects that are looking to solve ha / ft for 'pets') | 09:11 |
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| yankcrime | ah actually adam gave a better version of the talk in austin recently as well: https://www.openstack.org/videos/video/high-availability-for-pets-and-hypervisors-state-of-the-nation | 09:12 |
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| nikre | guys i am trying to setup ubuntu autopilot where all machines are vm's on a single machine. | 09:15 |
| nikre | I am using virtual box where all machines have 2 network interfaces, 1 nat 1 host only network. | 09:15 |
| nikre | ^ vm's* | 09:16 |
| nikre | I want to add nodes using maas but the new vm's get IP from the vbox dhcp. | 09:17 |
| nikre | What is the proper way to resolve this? | 09:17 |
| nikre | I read about setting next server variable on the vbox dhcp server. | 09:17 |
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| bweston92 | Does OpenStack need to be installed on every machine in the cluster? It's RAM usage is quite high to do that. Sorry for newbie question | 09:41 |
| roshannagekar | bweston92 : Start here - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Packstack | 09:42 |
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| absbang | thank you yankcrime | 09:52 |
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| Sharath_ | Hi Help | 09:54 |
| Sharath_ | may i know how NFS maintained in VM cold migration ? | 09:54 |
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| Sharath_ | in cold migration , vm shutdown and boots up | 09:55 |
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| Sharath_ | which folders will be copied to new VM and who will initiate that process | 09:57 |
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| Sharath_ | kindly help | 09:57 |
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| Heebie | Hello, | 10:41 |
| Heebie | oops. Hit enter too soon! =O Is there a GOOD guide to planning & implementation of an OpenStack cloud system. (preferably including choosing exactly which components will best serve the needs involved.. ) | 10:42 |
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| yankcrime | Heebie: yup, the official docs have you covered: http://docs.openstack.org/arch-design/ | 10:45 |
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| Heebie | OFFICIAL documents do? Nice. :) I'm not used to that. >_< Thanks. | 10:46 |
| Heebie | I'm guessing there's no path to import a CloudStack cloud. ;) | 10:47 |
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| yankcrime | Heebie: there's options, haven't been on that journey myself but others have | 10:54 |
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| Heebie | It's one that management seems to want to take. I'm just thanking my lucky stars that they don't want to use Huawei's proprietary system that we evaluated. OMG that was awful! | 10:55 |
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| Heebie | This guide seems to be well-written and insightful. Nice! :) | 10:56 |
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| Heebie | yankcrime: I want to use CEPH for underlying storage. I think that should work pretty well. Any opinion? | 10:57 |
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| yankcrime | Heebie: yep, lots of opinions about ceph - it's generally pretty awesome and works very well with openstack | 10:59 |
| yankcrime | it's the most popular solution for block storage via cinder | 10:59 |
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| Heebie | I thought it would be. (and I've been trying to convince the company to let me move things to CEPH for like 3 years!) | 11:00 |
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| Heebie | Do most people using CEPH with OpenStack get support contracts with Red Hat / Inktank, or some other entities? Does anyone have a support contract for their OpenStack clouds? | 11:08 |
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| yankcrime | i think it depends - they | 11:25 |
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| yankcrime | they're both complicated pieces of technology, a lot of firms want some indemnification / support when things don't work as they should and the service is in production | 11:25 |
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| yankcrime | there are companies like the one i work for who 'go it alone', but i know of and have worked with other companies that do look for support either during the initial architecture / build-out or for bau | 11:27 |
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| Heebie | Does anyone have strong opinions on whether to build SWIFT "proper" on top of CEPH or use CEPH's built-in SWIFT-compatible layer? | 14:31 |
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| Heebie | or third-option, have a separate stand-alone SWIFT setup? (separate from the CEPH system backing CINDER) | 14:34 |
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| coredump | So has anyone had a weird issue where the instances just start throwing I/O errors? | 14:56 |
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| Heebie | coredump: sounds like the host node is having communication difficulties with the storage, or the underlying storage isn't functioning correctly. | 14:58 |
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| coredump | eh, it’s only on 1 or 2 instances of a host with like 10. Also no errors on the host about failing to communicate with Gluster or anything like that. | 14:59 |
| coredump | The only difference is that the host had a large increase in swap usage | 14:59 |
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| Heebie | could be I/O timeouts on the host. What does CPU WAIT look like? | 15:00 |
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| coredump | Heebie: during the period when swap was increasing, there’s like 2% wait, but in general this server isn’t write heavy. | 15:13 |
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| coredump | what I don’t understand is why this would be corrupted on a way that even after a restart I would still get vda I/O errors | 15:13 |
| coredump | If I use nbd and mount the block device and use fsck on it, it will find problems and fix it, but sometimes the disk is just corrupted and we have to remake the server. | 15:14 |
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| Heebie | Do you have any conficling MAC addresses or conflicting IP addresses? Any network links flapping up & down, or any duplex mismatches? | 15:24 |
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| notmyname | Heebie: I know of people talking about all 3 of those options (various combos of swift and ceph) | 16:12 |
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| notmyname | Heebie: IMO, I'd prefer pure swift (of course. I work on swift and not ceph.). but really it comes down to your use case | 16:13 |
| notmyname | Heebie: if you've got very small requirements for object storage (eg just storing openstack vm images) and you're already using ceph as a block driver, then using ceph's radosgw probably is the simplest, operationally | 16:14 |
| Heebie | Thanks notmyname | 16:14 |
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| notmyname | Heebie: however, if you aren't already tied to ceph, or if you are going to be putting a lot of data into swift, then having a stand-alone swift deployment separate from ceph makes sense | 16:15 |
| Heebie | and for that too. :) | 16:15 |
| notmyname | Heebie: also, if you are wanting some of the more advanced features of swift that aren't support by ceph's api compat layer, then definitely swift by itself | 16:15 |
| notmyname | Heebie: especially if you start having requirements like global clusters | 16:16 |
| Heebie | I'd imagine using CEPH block storage to backend SWIFT probably works fairly well? | 16:16 |
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| Heebie | (provided networking is fast enough) | 16:17 |
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| notmyname | Heebie: those kind of setups always make me go cross-eyed. I don't really understand deploying swift on a different distributed persistent storage layer and then turning off all the swift bits that ensure things are properly distributed and durable. seems to add a lot of complexity | 16:18 |
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| Heebie | notmyname: Better economy of scale.. but I'm talking if I have a swift cluster across several data centres.. just using RBD block storage, but continuing to use Swift's resilience. | 16:21 |
| AndyWojo | So if I create an instance, with no additional storage via cinder/swift, the storage for the operating system is stored in glance? | 16:21 |
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| notmyname | AndyWojo: I'm fuzzy on those details, but that doesn't sound right. | 16:23 |
| notmyname | Heebie: so you'd have an RBD deploy locally in each DC and use swift to do the multi-region stuff? | 16:23 |
| Heebie | I would think that the instance's primary disk would be provisioned out of GLANCE into CINDER. | 16:23 |
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| Heebie | notmyname: Yes. It definitely wouldn't be the most major portion of storage in-use. | 16:23 |
| AndyWojo | So devstack doesn't require a storage node, how can I create a host then? | 16:24 |
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| AndyWojo | I thought it just used glance to store the image | 16:25 |
| AndyWojo | (kind of like vmware does with vmdk) | 16:25 |
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| Heebie | I think glance would store a copy of an image like a template, and that would be copied out onto CINDER storage before being handed off to the compute node as a VM-volume. (I'm basing this on how Cloudstack works, however.. I've been using it for years, and have only started reading up on OpenStack in earnest today.) | 16:26 |
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| elricsfate | -Howdy all | 16:27 |
| elricsfate | Anyone have a graph of OpenStack summit attendance? | 16:27 |
| elricsfate | over the years, I mean. | 16:27 |
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| Heebie | _-` ? | 16:28 |
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| elricsfate | Heebie, ? | 16:31 |
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| Heebie | elricsfate: _-` << upwards trending graph in ASCII. ? | 16:32 |
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| elricsfate | lol | 16:33 |
| elricsfate | Heebie, I know the numbers are pretty staggering which is why I'd like to see them | 16:33 |
| elricsfate | (Because it's pretty quotable) | 16:33 |
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| Heebie | elricsfate: I hope you find some real numbers. I was trying (and apparently failing) to be funny. :( Back to OpenStack stuff... Do people seem to have a preference for L2 vs L3 networking? (Documentation seems to recommend L3, but it seems like it'll be fairly complex and rather expensive by comparison to L2.) | 16:34 |
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| arighi | hello, I'm changing /usr/share/openstack-dashboard/openstack_dashboard/dashboards/project/instances/workflows/create_instance.py, I would like to add some logging, I tried to use a simple LOG.info(), but I don't know exactly where the logs are reported... any suggestions? | 21:04 |
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| AndyWojo | Hi, why are the storage nodes marked as optional in the install guide. If I don't have a cinder or swift running, where does my cloud instance's OS run? Where is the OS stored? On the compute node? On Glance? | 21:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | AndyWojo: they run on the compute nodes | 21:19 |
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| AndyWojo | Gotcha, so I'm drawing an analogy from vmware, this would be the vmdk, stored on the compute node? | 21:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yes | 21:21 |
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| CrtxReavr | "Ephemeral" storage runs on compute nodes? | 21:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | yes | 21:31 |
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| arighi | is it possible to start a VM with multiple disks? | 21:50 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yes | 21:54 |
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| arighi | Sam-I-Am: the last yes was referred to my question? :) | 22:09 |
| jmlowe | can Sam-I-Am answer more than one question in a row with yes? | 22:10 |
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| arighi | if true, is it possible to start a VM with multiple disks from the dashboard? or do I need to use nova APIs? | 22:10 |
| arighi | I mean the nova CLI | 22:10 |
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| jmlowe | I'm imagining multiple —block-device arguments in a call something like this? nova boot --flavor m1.medium --block-device shutdown=preserve,id=<volumeid>,bus=scsi,source=volume,device=sda,bootindex=0,dest=volume --nic net-id=<netid> --security-group default --key-name jmlowekey private-instance | 22:13 |
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| arighi | exactly, I was thinking the same, using nova boot it should be possible, but it's not possible in horizon using the dashboard (if I'm not wrong) | 22:14 |
| arighi | and sorry if I say something obvious or wrong, I'm kinda new to openstack... | 22:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the dashboard is generally aimed at typical operations | 22:16 |
| jmlowe | I don't often use the dashboard | 22:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | you can boot the vm with one disk and add another later to | 22:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | too | 22:16 |
| arighi | gotcha | 22:16 |
| arighi | what I'm trying to do is to simulate an installation from DVD, I know we could use a pre-installed volume, but a customer requested this.... :-/ | 22:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you could try using the dvd as an image instead of a disk | 22:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | although iso installations are a bit defunct in openstack | 22:18 |
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| arighi | so boot from dvd iso as an image, but then I need to specify also the real disk | 22:19 |
| arighi | and as far as I can see I can only assign 1 device when I launch a VM instance | 22:19 |
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| arighi | well, the only way to do this from the dashboard is to start a VM using the dvd iso as the boot device and then attach the real disk later, maybe this is acceptable.... | 22:24 |
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| arighi | thanks for the suggestions guys, really appreciated | 22:44 |
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| AndyWojo | What would you say would be the best way to spend 3,000 dollars on an openstack lab | 22:54 |
| AndyWojo | I was thinking of buying 4-5 1u rack mounted servers | 22:54 |
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| AndyWojo | 1 controller, 1 network, 2 computes and a storage node | 22:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | give it to me? :) | 22:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | you can combine the controller and network nodes in a lab... move some of the network services to the compute nodes too. | 22:57 |
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| AndyWojo | Nah I want a true lab | 23:01 |
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| AndyWojo | The rack mounted servers will be 8-12 cores each | 23:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | the network node is becoming a thing of the past | 23:02 |
| AndyWojo | really?? | 23:02 |
| jmlowe | ? | 23:02 |
| AndyWojo | I thought they just separated it from nova not to long ago | 23:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | depends on what you're trying to deploy, and the architecture. but in a lot of cases, you don't need one... or if you do, it doesn't require much horsepower. | 23:03 |
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| AndyWojo | so you combine network and controller node? | 23:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | you move some functions to the controller and some to the compute nodes | 23:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | the l3 agent goes on the controller and the dhcp/metadata agents on a subset of the compute nodes (2 or more) | 23:06 |
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| AndyWojo | I have a nice sized budget for this openstack lab so I'm just going to keep them on separate physical hosts for now | 23:15 |
| AndyWojo | thanks for the advice tho | 23:16 |
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| jmlowe | AndyWojo: I certainly did for my test deployment, dell m1000 blade with 2x10GigE and 24 cores, total overkill for running a controller/network combo for 6 compute blades | 23:18 |
| AndyWojo | What did you do for storage? | 23:18 |
| AndyWojo | I'm sitting on a few petabytes of fiber attached storage | 23:18 |
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| AndyWojo | I heard you have to do some funky things with kvm to get cinder to do block storage with fc attached storage | 23:19 |
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| jmlowe | I had a 4 x dell R730xd 2/ 12x4TB drives ceph cluster | 23:19 |
| AndyWojo | Gotcha | 23:19 |
| AndyWojo | So no block level? All object storage | 23:19 |
| jmlowe | s/2/w/ | 23:19 |
| AndyWojo | ? | 23:20 |
| jmlowe | rbd, rados block device, turns ceph objects into block devices | 23:20 |
| jmlowe | copy on write, clones glance images into root devices for thin provisioning, I go from nova boot to ssh into an instance in about 10 seconds | 23:20 |
| jmlowe | there are 2x200GB ssd drives in those r730's that have the osd journals | 23:21 |
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| jmlowe | raid 0, 100GB partition for os and ~50GB partition for each journal | 23:22 |
| jmlowe | oh, raid0 pairs for the spinning disks | 23:22 |
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| jmlowe | old unix'ism s/replace this regex/with this/ | 23:23 |
| jmlowe | works for sed and vi | 23:23 |
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| jmlowe | AndyWojo: all of my work is here https://github.com/jetstream-cloud/Jetstream-Salt-States there are two shell scripts in the root that I used to lay out my disks for ceph | 23:35 |
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| AndyWojo | thanks! | 23:52 |
| AndyWojo | I didn't know you could use Ceph as block | 23:52 |
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