Tuesday, 2016-05-10

jidarit's still image based, but it's served block devices out00:00
jidarI should say, it's still an image on disk for ceph00:00
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AndyWojoSure, so on the image side it could be a 20gb image, inside ceph, but presented to the instance it's block?00:06
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jidaryea00:06
jidarthe instance see's it as a block device00:07
AndyWojointeresting00:07
AndyWojoWhat's the preferred way to issue block storage? I have a ton of unused fiber attached storage I can zone out somewhere00:07
jidarevery vendor has their preferred way00:07
AndyWojoI should say, what's the preferred way to utilize fiber attached block storage00:07
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jidarare you looking for cinder integration or just raw devices you attach?00:07
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AndyWojoI'd like to allocate a ton of raw storage to $openstack_thing, and then have it manage chopping that storage up for the instances00:08
AndyWojosimilar to how vmware does it00:08
jidaryou could control the amount via metadata for the project, but most vendors don't have a limit on the storage side00:09
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AndyWojowhat service does this?00:09
AndyWojoCinder?00:09
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jidarwhich part? the limitation on the project? keystone00:10
AndyWojoNo no, allocating say, 1tb to openstack, and having it manage chopping that data up for instances00:11
jidarthat's what I'm saying, you don't00:11
jidarcinder generally talks directly to the storage, like say through API calls00:11
jidarand will do things like, "give me a 20gig lun, and attach it to host1"00:12
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AndyWojoAh00:12
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AndyWojoSo that's directed attached storage00:12
jidarno00:12
AndyWojoOn AIX we'd call that NPIV00:12
jidarNPIV is something else...00:12
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jidarit's still a FC device attached to a host00:13
AndyWojoA physical host?00:13
jidaryes00:13
AndyWojoGotcha..00:14
jidarusually when you do something like say, boot a instance off an image by creating a new volume the following happens00:14
jidar(on fc)00:14
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jidarcinder asks the storage array for a LUN of X side00:14
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jidarattach that to controller (or cinder-service holder)00:14
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jidarit copies the data from glance on to that LUN00:14
AndyWojoSo if you migrate an instance from one compute node to another, does it manage the storage you've allocated to the old compute host?00:14
jidarunmaps, rescans hba, attach that LUN on a compute node00:15
jidarthen the instance it booted00:15
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AndyWojoGotcha00:15
jidarusing a local disk like, /dev/sdy00:15
jidarit just has the SP map the lun to another host00:15
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jidarcopies the ram over00:16
jidarall the normal stuff00:16
AndyWojoGotcha00:16
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AndyWojoSo if you use Ceph, you allocate storage to it, and then create an image in which you can allocate to an instance for block right?00:17
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jidaryou create a pool in ceph and then tell cinder to use that pool for it's volumes00:17
AndyWojoAh00:18
jidarthe pool only knows, iirc, how many pgs to use, which is a fancy way of saying how many times it splits the data up across all of your disks00:18
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jmloweAndyWojo: the preferred method for using ceph is to have it back glance and export the url for the image, when you instantiate cinder consumes that url and also being backed by ceph instructs ceph to make a copy on write clone of that url into a new device, so if you have an 8GB image and boot 100 instances from it you've only actually consumed let's say 8.5GB once some logs and other stuff are written out, other storage methods would h00:27
AndyWojoInteresting00:27
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AndyWojoI have a lot to learn on the storage side, there's a lot of options00:28
jmloweyou can also put your object store on top00:28
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jmloweyou'll find that to be true of any openstack project, you can install the same four basic services nova, neutron, cinder, glance and wind up with dozens functionally of different clouds00:29
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AndyWojoGotcha00:31
AndyWojoI have a few thousand dollars to buy some rack mounted hardware for our lab at work to do an openstack PoC00:31
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AndyWojoSo I'm thinking 1 controller node, 3 compute nodes and 1 storage node00:31
AndyWojoOnce I get it up and running, I also have a PowerLinux server I want to try and get running as a compute node00:32
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jmlowehow much is a lot of storage for you?00:32
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AndyWojoA few petabytes00:32
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jmloweI work in research, so my sense of scale is a bit out of whack compared to the rest of the world00:33
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jidarfair warning, you likely don't want to stick a few petabytes worth of data on a single server for ceph00:35
jidarit's VERY cpu intensive00:35
jidar(per osd anyway)00:35
jidarI think it's something like 2 OSD (disk) per cpu core as a general recommendation00:36
jmloweI'd look here to see if your storage system is in there somewhere http://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/config-reference/block-storage.html00:36
jmloweyeah having a decent san negates the case for ceph, ceph is for when somebody hasn't handed you a dump truck full of money to buy a san00:37
jidaryea, you'll likely want to do vendor backed cinder plugin of some sort00:38
jidarif you've got that much data on a SAN00:38
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AndyWojoWell we have a variety of storage00:54
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AndyWojoXIV, V3700, V9000 etc00:54
AndyWojo(all IBM storage)00:54
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AndyWojoI see all the IBM ones I'd need on there00:54
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jmloweAndyWojo: what industry, out of curiosity?00:59
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AndyWojoSmall IT Consultancy00:59
AndyWojo50ish people00:59
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AndyWojoMostly consultants...01:00
AndyWojoWe're falling a bit behind on the private cloud technology, so I've been tasked with building out an open stack PoC in our lab01:00
AndyWojoOur lab consists of a ton of storage we get for testing01:00
jmloweWe bought a lot of IBM gear over the years, I was going to guess higher ed or finance01:01
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AndyWojoIBM storage is  the best :)01:02
AndyWojoNothing is outstrips the DS8k line01:02
AndyWojoLiterally top tier01:02
AndyWojoalso top tier price01:02
jmloweI still buy hgst when I have the choice01:03
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AndyWojoIf I have a single network (192.168.x.x) that's internet accessible,  would I use that for the provider network, and then create a routable private network for the management network?01:34
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AndyWojoI created a 10.x network inside vmware, but it's not routable01:35
AndyWojoSo it doesn't have a gateway01:35
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AndyWojoI was hoping I could just use one network, for testing01:39
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Sam-I-Amis this one interface?01:41
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AndyWojoI have a vmware environment where I want to build openstack on top of (for testing) .. it's connected to a cisco ASA5505, where we have one network 192.168.238,240,241.X01:43
AndyWojoSo I can create a private 10.x network inside vmware01:43
AndyWojobut it's not routable.01:43
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Sam-I-Amso your control plane for openstack is on 192.168.x ?01:44
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Sam-I-Amand there's only one interface on each vmware vm?01:44
AndyWojoWell I can create as many interfaces as I want ton each vm01:44
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AndyWojoI basically want to just use 192.168.x as my network01:44
AndyWojoI don't have the ability to set up natting for a 10.x network for management network01:45
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Sam-I-Amwell, if you only have one public-ish network, the control and data planes will need to share the same interface on the openstack nodes, which is sort of not ideal.01:45
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AndyWojoWell this is only for testing.  So you could have one interface on your controller / compute nodes?01:46
Sam-I-Amin theory, yes. just requires additional config.01:47
AndyWojoGotcha01:47
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Sam-I-Amthere really arent any limitations for deploying openstack services, just some work better than others01:48
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linociscohi all03:47
linociscoOpenstack vs AWS , which is better?03:47
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linociscoterje_, I dont understand03:52
terje_perhaps it wasn't presented clearly03:52
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vinothHow shared storage using NFS for nova live migration is implemented in big scale environment? Mapping single NFS storage to all compute would cause performance issue right?04:25
vinothIs it possible to map multiple NFS storage to a single compute node to reduce the performance issue?04:26
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mahHi all , anybody could help in devstack kilo problem ?08:18
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linociscohi all08:42
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linociscobeing #trystack is not responding , can I ask one question here?08:42
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flughafenhow do you guys handle ssl on a vm running in the cloud with dual network setups/different hostnames/ips?09:03
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linociscohi all09:08
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linociscohow to login to trystack from windows. i use putty. It shows. login as: and prompt09:08
linociscomy instance is ubuntu16.0409:08
linociscohow to login?09:08
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dmelladolinocisco: instances within openstack usually use ssh key auth09:11
dmelladoso you'll have to put your ssh key details in your trystack account09:11
dmelladobefore spawning your instance09:11
dmellado;)09:11
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mahwhen I go for the dashboard and put the username and password, it starts to load the page but nothing happen later ?? why that occurs ?09:12
linociscodmellado, I did try to paste ssh public key generated from putty. keypairs is saved. but from putty now to connect to instance. I dont know how to login using windows putty09:13
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linocisco"login as " prompt is waiting09:13
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dmelladolinocisco: I'm no putty expert, but I expect for it to be able to provide at least preferences about identity/ssh key09:14
dmelladocheck putty documentation about it ;)09:14
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linociscodmellado, i dont see written in  documentation09:22
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mahwhen I go for the dashboard and put the username and password, it starts to load the page but nothing happen later ?? why that occurs ?09:32
admin0is swift stateful or stateless ?09:33
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Lehtu_mah: I'm prettu sure your apache logs will show the errors09:47
mah@Lehtu_  also the nova image-list not responding09:49
mahit shows that: 2016-05-10 09:36:39.844802 REQ: curl -g -i 'http://192.168.145.120:8774/v2/6a5f0f67440943699e9e3dbe8322035a/extensions' -X GET -H "Accept: application/json" -H "User-Agent: python-novaclient" -H "X-Auth-Project-Id: 6a5f0f67440943699e9e3dbe8322035a" -H "X-Auth-Token: {SHA1}98e6e9aaf0bae4a183877444d29d4fd951aeb4a1" 2016-05-10 09:36:39.845462 DEBUG:urllib3.util.retry:Converted retries value: 0 -> Retry(total=0, connect=No09:50
Lehtu_mah: then you need to check your nova api service09:50
mahwhen I do nova-manage service list , it shows to me that all nova services are working09:52
mahI did  ps ax | grep nova .. I found nova-api exist09:52
mahso what is the problem then ?09:52
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bsvLooking for someone using Designate, with record auto-creation (using sink)...11:13
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sambuddhabasu1hello everyone, i would like to install neutron in my VM. can someone point me out on how to do so?11:21
sambuddhabasu1do i need to install keystone or other things in order to install neutron or can i just install neutron in standlone mode?11:21
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ajnouriHi guys, can we install cinder standalone. For use as a blocl storage outside of Openstack?11:28
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DrankisHello all. In Mitaka a lot of services starts with warning14:54
DrankisGuru mediation now registers SIGUSR1 and SIGUSR2 by default for backward compatibility. SIGUSR1 will no longer be registered in a future release, so please use SIGUSR2 to generate reports.14:55
DrankisMaybe someone know how to solve this?14:55
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DrankisAll services starts on Ubuntu 16.0414:55
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Sam-I-Amits not a problem14:56
Sam-I-Amits just a note14:56
Sam-I-Amignore it14:56
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mahhi all, why some times when I instantiate an instance and log in to it , I found no IP assigned  while it is there shown from openstack network?14:59
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Sam-I-Amsounds like dhcp isnt working15:01
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DrankisSam-I-Am, thanks. Hate warnings =]15:01
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mahand how to check the dhcp is working or not ?15:02
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* CrtxReavr facepalms.15:03
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CrtxReavrEveryone wants to be a cloud hero, without understanding basic sysadmin.15:03
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rmart04Hi, Mid upgrade of Liberty Keystone, and we’re seeing lots of  >> 2016-05-10 15:12:18.169152 ArgsAlreadyParsedError: arguments already parsed: cannot register CLI option15:12
rmart04this is wit the keystone-wsgi-admin app15:12
rmart04Ring any bells for anyone?15:12
rmart04sorry Kilo > Liberty15:12
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Sam-I-Amrmart04: havent seen that before15:20
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rmart04Hey San15:22
rmart04Sam*15:22
rmart04loving the debug!15:22
rmart04016-05-10 15:20:48.371784   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 632, in resolve15:22
rmart042016-05-10 15:20:48.371805     raise VersionConflict(dist,req) # XXX put more info here15:22
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rmart042016-05-10 15:20:48.371844 VersionConflict: (pbr 1.8.0 (/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages), Requirement.parse('pbr>=0.6,!=0.7,<1.0'))15:23
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Sam-I-Amhow did you install openstack? distro packages, pip, /15:24
Sam-I-Am?15:24
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rmart04sorry, packages (cloud archives)15:26
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Sam-I-Amhave you ever installed anything using pip?15:26
rmart04No15:26
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rmart04well I have, but not in this infrastructure15:26
Sam-I-Amso you changed the repo from kilo to liberty, did an apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, and this happened?15:26
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rmart04No, we only ran an apt-get install keystone15:27
rmart04which pulled in that new PBR I believe15:27
rmart04and a bunch of other stuff15:28
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Sam-I-Ambut i bet it didnt update the code for other services15:30
Sam-I-Ampackages are sort of an all-or-nothing event15:30
rmart04because of the shared depenencies?15:30
Sam-I-Amyeah15:30
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Sam-I-Amsometimes people update all their config files to work with the new ver, stop services (and keep them from starting), upgrade the packages, do the db-sync, restart services one-by-one and look for errors15:31
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rmart04Its weird as its the first package though, we thought that maybe upgrading keystone would break some of the other projects dependancies, but given that it was first?15:32
rmart04OK15:32
rmart04Thats quite a leap into the darkness15:32
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Sam-I-Amyeah, but its not like updating individual services works either15:32
rmart04such fun!15:33
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Sam-I-Amyeah, packages can be interesting15:34
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mrkelleyHere's kind of a dumb question, but it might be relevant to you, rmart04. Did you remove the kilo repository?15:34
rmart04Hey,good question, appears not!15:35
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mrkelleyThat might be your problem.15:35
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Sam-I-Amthere is that...15:35
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rmart04Appreciate that mrkelley, but it didnt seem to solve my problem, purged the keystone package and re-installed, re-ran ansible, no avail15:46
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mrkelleyAh. Good to know. Probably still good practice, though.15:48
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Sam-I-Amback to the idea of upgrading all at once15:48
rmart04Do you guys run any OS in production? How do you deal with the code? At the summit, it was all about containers...15:49
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Sam-I-Amsource + containers or venvs seems popular15:50
mrkelleyWell, that was gonna be my next question. It seems like containers hold the best promise for easing the upgrade process.15:50
mrkelleyAre you using containers for your individual services?15:50
rmart04ok interesting15:50
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Sam-I-Amvenvs are ok too. i'm using those.15:51
Sam-I-Amif you dont want the extra complexity of containers15:51
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mrkelleyHaven't tried venvs. You've had success with them, Sam?15:51
Sam-I-Amyes15:52
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mrkelleyGood to know.15:52
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wasmumha controller - neutron-server running on original, no issues instances getting ip's world is grand.15:58
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wasmumadd the additional neutron-service, stop the original neutron-service, new instances spun up, tap device exists - no record for the instance in the netns and instance recieves no ip15:59
wasmumgot any ideas?15:59
mrkelleyIs the new service in a container, or on bare metal in a separate server?16:00
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wasmumbare sep machine16:02
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mrkelleyLog output?16:02
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wasmumwith debug, not really anything.  the service on the controller is normal, the neutron nodes have duplicate entries when the security group is updated with that port/host build16:04
mrkelleywhat's the output of netns? Copy and paste, please.16:04
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rmart04gave it a bash with upgrading all the packages, not a lot of different!16:32
rmart04infact16:32
rmart04pretty much identical16:32
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rmart04ahh I might have found somthing16:34
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rmart042016-05-10 16:34:02.656063 AH01630: client denied by server configuration: /usr/bin/keystone-wsgi-admin16:34
rmart04apache is messing me around!16:34
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Sam-I-Amwhoops16:36
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rmart04OK think we cracked it, appreciate the help guys. It looks like a typo during the db sync might have had something to do with it.16:46
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rmart04:/16:47
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rmart04Need to get my head around containers properly, seems like the way to go16:47
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mrkelleyrmart04, imho, kubernetes has a lot of promise. I'm starting to play around with it in my personal system. I don't know a lot yet, but the demos I've seen tell me it's very worth pursuing.17:19
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mah_I have a problem with openstack instances , when they are instantiated no IPS are running17:45
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georgem1any idea how to get the client IP logged in Apache's error.log when running dashboard behind haproxy? I've tried playing with Apache's ErrorLogFormat to output the X-Forward-For set by Haproxy but it's not working18:45
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mah_Hi all, The VM instances are not assigned by IPs when I log in to them, why that occurs ?19:24
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nsasherrI'm having a strange problem with MatLab. It runs fine with RDP and TigerVNC, but when I try to run it through the Horizon noVNC console, it hangs at the splash screen forever. It can run the command line version just fine, though.20:21
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Sam-I-Amnsasherr: maybe its trying to use functions that novnc doesn't support?20:26
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Sam-I-Amnovnc is not a full implementation of vnc20:26
bullI'm getting a 403 error trying to launch instances with the new angular launch instance panel in horizon. The python one works w/out issue. Anyone ever run into this with the Next gen panel in horizon?20:27
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mrkelleynsasherr, have you tried spice?20:27
nsasherrSam-I-Am, yes, through virt-manager. That works properly, too. So does X Forwarding20:27
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nsasherrmrkelley, sorry, yes, spice works properly20:28
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nsasherrSam-I-Am, would that sort of thing be exposed to matlab? I thought VNC was pretty decoupled from applications on X. The screen still works, I can use other applications, but MatLab doesn't respond.20:29
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Sam-I-Amnsasherr: so what exactly is the problem?20:32
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nsasherrThe problem is that we can't get MatLab to open through the Horizon noVNC console20:33
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albertcardmatlab is running what OS and what is in the grub conf?20:35
Sam-I-Ambut it works other ways?20:35
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nsasherrSam-I-Am, yes20:35
nsasherrSam-I-Am, I just tested it with a local novnc_server instance, and it works properly20:35
nsasherrit seems like it's only when done through Horizon20:35
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Sam-I-Ammaybe its just a horizon thing20:36
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Sam-I-Amcould be a bug, or something not considered20:36
Sam-I-Ampeople dont really use apps through the horizon console20:36
Sam-I-Amits inefficient20:36
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nsasherrSam-I-Am, should I be in a different channel, like for Horizon specifically?20:37
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Sam-I-Amyou could ask in the horizon channel, but posting to the general mailing list might work better20:38
nsasherrSam-I-Am, thanks20:39
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nsasherralbertcard, RHEL7 -- I'm not sure whats in the grub conf20:40
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jackjackdripperdoes neutron have cisco asa plugin?20:42
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nsasherrjackjackdripper, I don't think so...20:42
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nsasherrjackjackdripper, only folder in /etc/neutron/plugins is "ml2"20:44
albertcardA lot of the issues around consoles may depend how the grub.cfg is configured. I know in spice, we needed instances to have 'nomodeset'20:44
jackjackdripperthanks20:44
Sam-I-Amjackjackdripper: there are a number of plug-ins, but not necessarily for the asa.20:45
jidarthink cisco is going for ACI integration20:45
jidarnot sure we'll see ASA supported for firewalling20:46
jackjackdripperi see nexus plugins in the list I am just wondering if there is one specific for asa20:46
jidarthat's just for configuring switch ports for controllers and compute hosts basically20:46
jidarthey have UCS plugins as well for ipmi and various other things20:46
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jidarbut the ASA platform is a wholly different beast20:46
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jackjackdripperyeah it is a beast alright hehehe20:47
nsasherralbertcard, hmm, would that sort of thing be a factor for a problem as specific as noVNC working as a standalone server but not through Openstack?20:47
jidarkeep in mind they were really slow to market on a virtual ASA and as I understand it, it's still not a decent platform20:48
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albertcardi dont see why not, nsasherr. It doesn't hurt to give it a shot. If it doesn't work, then change it back, rebuild the config and reboot20:49
albertcardi PM'd you20:49
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nsasherralbertcard, that's done it!20:56
albertcardawesome :)20:56
nsasherralbertcard, if this is a bug somewhere... who should it go to? MatLab, OpenStack..?20:57
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nsasherralbertcard, I mean, it works with pretty much everything except our OpenStack noVNC console, but everything else does work with it20:58
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nsasherralbertcard, anyways, thanks for the help on this one.21:02
Sam-I-Amnsasherr: sounds like horizon should get the bug if everything else works21:03
Sam-I-Amhowever it may be outside of the scope of horizon21:03
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Sam-I-Amthe console is there mostly for debugging purposes rather than actual use21:04
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nsasherrSam-I-Am, Thanks, I'll give it a shot21:05
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albertcardnsasherr, I wouldn't say it's an Openstack issue. It's more of a setting plaguing VMs and consoles. As the need for the setting varies on a case-by-case basis. It was reported as a bug with RHEL7 instances in the OSAD project since spice didn't work and the bug just said to update the RHEL7 image to reflect the new grub cfg21:08
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johnmiltonhello, im trying to troubleshoot connections between vms and my metadata server22:35
johnmiltonim running an all-in-one as a poc for a company i work for22:35
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johnmiltontheres a public subnet, a private, and a router between (all ovs)22:35
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johnmiltoninstances on the public subnet fail to connect to the metadata server22:36
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Sam-I-Amjohnmilton: did you enable isolated metadata in the dhcp agent config?22:54
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johnmiltoni tried that, and i tried it disabled as well22:54
Sam-I-Amit would need to be on for a network without a router, which is a public/provider net22:54
johnmiltoni havent tried disabling the default gateway as i read that issue was supposed to fixed22:54
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Sam-I-Amyour instance should have a route to 169.254.169.25422:54
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Sam-I-Ami havent heard of that, must be misinformation22:55
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johnmiltonso that's still how you do it?22:55
Sam-I-Amor old information...22:55
Sam-I-Amstill how you do what?22:55
johnmiltonset it up22:56
johnmiltoni have isolated = true22:56
johnmiltonno go22:56
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johnmiltondo i need enable_metadata_network = true ?22:56
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johnmiltonand i point the route for 169... to my router in openstack, right?22:57
johnmiltonit's definitely not working with dhcp22:57
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Sam-I-Amenable_metadata_network should be the default22:57
Sam-I-Amthats only if you run your own network for md22:57
johnmiltonah22:58
Sam-I-Amso your instance is getting an ip on the provider net, but its not getting the route to md?22:58
johnmiltonso i have isolated and enable true now22:58
johnmiltonright22:58
Sam-I-Amdid you restart the agent and re-create the network?22:59
Sam-I-Amit wont change existing networks22:59
johnmiltoni restarted the agent22:59
johnmiltonbut i did not recreate the network22:59
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johnmiltoni have vms on that network, so i was hoping i wouldnt need to go that far23:00
Sam-I-Ami dont think thats an option you can change on the fly, if it wasnt set initially23:00
johnmiltonis my l3 agent config going to interfere with this? for the private net23:01
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Sam-I-Amno, unless you did something weird there23:02
johnmiltoni think so23:02
johnmiltonnow its trying to hit the dhcp server for meta-data23:02
johnmiltonhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/496636/23:03
johnmiltoni can tear it all down if necessary23:03
johnmiltonthis is a poc23:03
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Sam-I-Amthe public vm got a route to md?23:04
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johnmiltonwell, no23:06
johnmiltonthat is the public, kind of23:06
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johnmiltoni have the 10.33.33.0 as public with a vm and a router...the router has an interface on a private subnet23:08
Sam-I-Amwell, not sure what time zone you're in, but its time for me to jet for the day23:08
johnmiltonthe public gets natted23:08
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Sam-I-Amyou around tomorrow?23:09
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johnmiltonyea23:09
Sam-I-Ami'll be around tomorrow23:10
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Sam-I-Amprobably earlier than this time23:10
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johnmiltonok23:13
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lawhey all, I've got this fresh Mitaka install.  For some reason, freshly-created VMs are getting two IP addresses, none of which are pingable, and I'll be darned if I can figure out why23:21
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lawany thoughts on where I could even begin to start looking, would be awesome23:42
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LiftedKiltlaw - did you check and make sure that ICMP is allowed in the default security group?23:49
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LiftedKiltit isn't by default23:49
lawit is, I've made the security group wide open23:51
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lawand, my initial assumption was wrong - the SECOND IP is indeed pingable, I didn't wait for the VM to boot fully23:51
lawlogging into the VM, it only has one IP23:51
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LiftedKilthow did you deploy openstack/what neutron plugin are you using?23:53
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lawwe deployed it with hand-rolled Salt states (not my choice), following the Ubuntu Deploy Guide as closely as possible, with Networking Option 2.  We're using Linuxbridge-Agent23:54
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LiftedKiltah - yeah that's way outside my wheelhouse23:58
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LiftedKiltare the IP's in the same network?23:58
lawthey are23:58
lawthis is what dhcp-agent.log is throwing back: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/364893/92469214/23:58
LiftedKiltthat's very odd23:58
lawcreate a new VM, that shows up automagically23:58
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