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bazyarHello openstackers!00:37
bazyarMy team has a question for you: linux-bridge or ovs ?00:37
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Sam-I-Ambazyar: depends what you're doing00:44
bazyarHi Sam-I-Am00:44
bazyarour deployment is for a public cloud, vifs directly on public IP00:44
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Sam-I-Amthere's no good reason for conventional ovs at that point00:44
bazyarIt's important for us to have a rackspace-style offering with rate-limited outbound traffic00:45
Sam-I-Amsticking with provider networks helps with the agent scaling issue00:45
Sam-I-Amif you do want ovs, you should look at networking-ovn00:46
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Sam-I-Amrather than the conventional ovs agent00:46
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bazyarshould rate limiting work with linux-bridge?00:46
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Sam-I-Ami think it does, because it uses 'tc' last i looked00:48
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bazyarWhat would be the best place to look for live support for that? We've tried (unsuccessfully) to get that workin00:48
Sam-I-Amlive support?00:49
bazyarto chat with folks who have done it :)00:49
Sam-I-Amin here, or on the openstack operator mailing list00:49
Sam-I-Amits after US work hours now, so things are a bit quiet in here. list might be more useful.00:50
bazyarSure - we're in Denver. these channels are mostly US ?00:50
Sam-I-Amheh, i'm in denver too00:50
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bazyarCool! Do you do openstack for work?00:51
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Sam-I-Amyeah00:51
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bazyarWe saw a video that rackspace tried to deploy ovs a while back and ran into many problems and went a different direction. I think that was two years ago.00:55
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Sam-I-Amwell, they still use ovs, but its not neutron00:55
Sam-I-Amthey dont run all openstack services either. some of them are either in-house or highly modified, but the api is openstack.00:55
bazyarI see00:56
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Sam-I-Amtruth is, there are not many pure openstack public clouds00:56
bazyarWhy would you say that is?00:56
Sam-I-Amscaling issues00:56
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bazyarScaling issues like 100 servers, or like 10,000 servers? :)00:57
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Sam-I-Amits actually more of a function of instances and network components00:57
Sam-I-Ambut the number of hosts factors in00:58
Sam-I-Amthe big issues lately are the message queue and nova scheduler00:58
Sam-I-Amyou can work around some of these issues by splitting your cloud up too. it doesnt need to be one huge thing.00:58
bazyarSure00:58
bazyarOK I assume there have been some conversations about these topics, we'll apply some google-fu to it00:59
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Sam-I-Amis this a new project for you?01:00
bazyaryes01:00
bazyarWe've been a VMware shop for 5 years, and we are so done with that.01:01
Sam-I-Amyeah, there's lots of discussions on the openstack operators ML, but you should also keep in mind that operators historically run old releases of openstack01:01
bazyarWhy do operators run old releases?01:01
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Sam-I-Ama number of reasons. they start a project based on version X, end up tweaking a bunch of stuff, then dont want to deal with upgrading it every 6 months... which is a fairly rapid release cycle for anything.01:02
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bazyarTrue that01:03
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Sam-I-Amhowever, openstack has become a LOT more stable since those days, and running a few commits behind master for most services is a better idea... providing you have some ci/cd01:03
Sam-I-Amci/cd is the key01:03
bazyarRight01:03
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Sam-I-Amone misconception about openstack... it may be free software, but it doesn't just print money01:04
bazyarha! That's the nature of open source eh?01:04
Sam-I-Amit just changes the type of resources you throw at it and how you handle its issues01:04
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bazyarOften you replace spending money with spending time01:04
Sam-I-Amyou'd be surprised how many companies assume you can just magically deploy a scalable performant public cloud on stock openstack in 6 months01:05
bazyarwe've been labbing it up for about 9-10 months at this point01:07
bazyarand starting to do the production version01:07
Sam-I-Amcool. so what have you figured out?01:07
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bazyarceph for storage.. that was our first piece, actually, and seems to "Just Work" really well.01:08
Sam-I-Amit does01:08
bazyarwe ended up going with all 10-G switches with Trill01:09
Sam-I-Amoh, man... i havent heard of trill in ages01:09
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bazyarDo most just do layer 3 equal cost multipath ?01:10
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Sam-I-Ammost people still use L201:11
Sam-I-Amoddly01:11
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bazyarInteresting01:11
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Sam-I-Amyeah01:12
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bazyarnow we're trying to figure out which networking module to go with01:12
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bazyarwe'd like to take advantage of DVR offered by ovs but are concerned whether ovs is mature and reliable01:13
Sam-I-Amyeah, dont do dvr01:13
Sam-I-Amthe whole concept of floating ips is a mess01:13
bazyarIt's not a trivial exercise01:13
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Sam-I-Amwell, i'd like to continue this conversation, but i need to find food.01:15
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Sam-I-Amand continue studying for my flight instructor exam :)01:15
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bazyarSure thing! If you're open to it, maybe we could do beer and food some time01:15
Sam-I-Amyou downtown?01:16
bazyarclose to the ballpark01:16
Sam-I-Amoh i'm at 20th and chestnut01:16
bazyarI could throw a rock ;)01:17
Sam-I-Amscary01:17
Sam-I-Amsmall world01:17
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bazyarAlright, thanks for your time and chat later!01:17
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Sam-I-Amyeah, i'll be around tomorrow01:18
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haleybSam-I-Am: don't bad mouth DVR, I'm always watching :)01:34
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bazyarHi Haley :)01:36
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haleybbazyar: hi, matt probably didn't know i get notified when anyone uses the word 'dvr' as it's what i do around here :)01:38
bazyarlol01:38
bazyarBig Brother is Watching01:38
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haleybyes he is01:39
bazyarSo how do you feel about DVR's stability?01:39
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haleybbazyar: i think the newton code is pretty solid, and we backport most fixes to mitaka (and liberty) stable branches, so they're close01:42
bazyarSo what do you think are the pro's and con's of linux-bridge vs ovs ?01:43
haleybi'll admit it is harder to debug things, but if you want to have scaling you need to avoid the network node when possible01:44
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haleybbazyar: well, you can't to dvr without ovs, so that's one pro, it's also the more widely-used L2 so sees more testing.  Linux bridge is good too, and has been in the kernel forever, it all depends on what you're trying to do.01:50
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bazyarIs there a way that openstack can handle first-hop redudancy.. for instance, when an IP is setup on a particular compute node, to advertise that IP via a routing protocol to an upstream router?01:53
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haleybno, not at the moment, but there is bgp work underway on it01:54
bazyarThat would be Hawt.01:54
haleybright now it's just proxy arp01:54
bazyarWhat do you mean by proxy arp in this context?01:55
bazyarAlso, does the equation change depending on the hypervisor; for instance, xen vs kvm. We want to use kvm.01:56
haleybresolution of where a floating IP "lives" is done via proxy arp on the last-hop - i.e. upstream router will arp, neutron node will respond01:57
bazyarok01:57
haleybi only really use kvm so don't have much knowledge of how things might be different with xen, that's crossing-over into nova01:58
bazyarok that's great.01:59
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Sam-I-Amhaleyb: my biggest issue around dvr is the complexity that only addresses one scenario02:02
Sam-I-Amimo, floating ips are a bad design02:03
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Sam-I-Amplus, v6 breaks them :)02:03
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haleybthere is no floating ipv6, so no problem :)02:03
haleybSam-I-Am: so floating ips on the compute nodes is bad?02:03
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Sam-I-Amits a layer 2 hack for a layer 3 problem02:04
Sam-I-Amit works on the principle of hiding stuff02:04
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Sam-I-Amif you want public IPs on your instances, just attach them to a provider network02:05
haleybSam-I-Am: and DVR helps both north/south and east/west traffic - you don't want the network node involved in all that02:05
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bazyar#popcorn02:05
Sam-I-Ambazyar: its all lively banter :)02:05
Sam-I-Amhow you deploy networking depends on your use case02:06
bazyarIt's all fun and games until someone gets DDOS'd02:06
bazyarin the eye.02:06
haleybyes, and with a provider network you probably don't need dvr, but our customers aren't typically doing that02:06
Sam-I-Amif you started out with the concept of floating IPs, need to keep it, and want to add some level of high-availability, you choose something like dvr or vrrp02:06
Sam-I-Amif you're building a new cloud, i'd say avoid floating IPs02:07
bazyarWe figure most of our VMs will be public-ip-on-provider-network, but we see a number of use cases for private networking02:07
Sam-I-Amthere's private networking and self-service networking02:07
Sam-I-Amyou can always toss a private ip range on a provider net02:07
bazyarok...02:07
Sam-I-Amself-service lets your customers manage their own networks02:07
bazyarself-service, is that using vxlan ?02:08
Sam-I-Amit can use vlan, vxlan, gre, geneve...02:08
haleybSam-I-Am: if public IPs were a dime dozen we'd give every VM one, but we (HPE) own them all :)02:08
bazyaryeah, so we want to support self-service. Probably 5% of customers but the need is there.02:08
Sam-I-Amin that case, you'd need to figure out the potential use cases. if its simply for back-end connectivity among VMs, then there's no reason for layer 3 agents02:09
Sam-I-Amthe only time you'd need a layer 3 agent is if those VMs on self-service networks need to reach other networks including provider nets02:10
Sam-I-Amor you can use service VMs for that02:10
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Sam-I-Amhaleyb: ip vee six :)02:11
bazyarWe did the "Service VMs" approach in our vmware deployments02:11
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* haleyb draws the line as service vms, although there are companies that love them02:12
bazyarthat approach has some limitations and issues - hairpinning between hosts of the cloud, pushes responsibility for redundancy to the application/customer02:12
Sam-I-Amits all about options02:13
Sam-I-Amthey all suck, it just a matter of what flavor of suck you like :)02:13
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haleybDalai Lama watch out, here comes Sam-I-Am02:16
bazyarwe have some applications that are v4 direct public only that don't tolerate nat, some applications that are fine with nat, and some that need to be dual stack.02:16
bazyarand that's just our internal requirements, not counting any customer requirements.02:16
Sam-I-Ambazyar: btw, this isn't done yet... but if you're interested in reading abou the various network options - http://apps1-dfw.osdt.ionosphere80.com/networking-guide/deploy.html02:16
Sam-I-Amthe not-updated version is on docs.openstack.org02:17
Sam-I-Ambut i've been working on this update for about 2 months... hopefully its easier to understand/use02:17
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Sam-I-Amthe dvr network flows aren't done yet, but the diagrams are correct02:17
Sam-I-Amthis update uses v4 and v6, which is nice for seeing the differences02:18
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bazyarfound out by accident that if you stick a v6 gateway on a provider network's router, all the VMs attached to it happily grab a routable v6 address that they can then talk out of, but not be reachable by, because the default SGs don't know it exists.02:19
Sam-I-Amyeah, neutron thinks the vm has IP X but it gets Y from RA somewhere on the provider net02:20
bazyaryup02:20
Sam-I-Ami ran across that in my lab02:20
bazyaruntil you tell the provider network about the v6 subnet it doesn't impose egress restrictions on v6, and it probably should.02:21
Sam-I-Amdlundquist: ^02:22
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Sam-I-Amthere are some quirks02:22
Sam-I-Amsome of which may be fixed in a newer release than you're using02:23
bazyarwe're using openstack-ansible to deploy newton rc202:23
bazyarbleeding edge02:23
Sam-I-Amah, fun02:24
Sam-I-Ami was in the group that started that project02:24
bazyarwow02:25
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Sam-I-Ami came up with how to make neutron work in containers02:25
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Sam-I-Amit was a fun night02:25
bazyarSo you were involved in openstack-ansible ? or newton ?02:26
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Sam-I-Amwell, it was rpc in the beginning, then osad, then o-a02:26
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Sam-I-Amrpc became an implementation of o-a02:26
bazyarGotcha. It's an impressive piece of work all around02:27
bazyarwe can't imagine deploying this big beast by hand02:27
Sam-I-Amyeah, you definitely want to use a deployment tool, but at the same time you have to know what its doing02:27
bazyarOh this is the C vs Java argument ;-)02:27
bazyarindeed, quite agree.02:28
Sam-I-Ama surprising number of people come in here having deployed openstack in prod without actually knowing how it works... and then it broke.02:28
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bazyarwe like doing the learning curve before putting production stuff on it ;)02:28
Sam-I-Amand thats the reason the install guide exists. not for prod, but for instructional purposes.02:28
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Sam-I-Amon that note, there's a number of people who deploy the install guide in prod02:30
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bazyarg'night and thanks for the chat!02:39
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Sam-I-Ambazyar: aight. i'll be around tomorrow afternoon-ish.02:39
Sam-I-Amdont work too late02:40
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TobiSanSam-I-Am: i believe my dhcp problem is virtualbox networking related because it already provides a dhcp on 10.0.0.2? i guess. openstack attached another one on 10.0.0.10006:01
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TobiSani read your comments on floating ips that its bad design possible breaks with ipv6 which i want do deploy too (dualstack)06:03
TobiSanbut i definitely dont want to burn another ip for the dhcp on provider net. so i should stick to floating ips right?06:04
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TobiSanand figure out how dualstack can be done with floating ips06:05
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kryptoi have an issue where out of 5 vms running only 4 are coming up post reboot of compute node,any idea about this issue?06:54
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admin0nova start/stop/reboot . virsh start , nova reboot etc to test ?07:18
admin0sometimes i have seen that nova start does not work, but do virsh start, bring it up, then do nova reboot and that gets it all sorted out again07:18
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umbrualbertHi All, I'm a complete beginner to Openstack and would like some comments on which systems/OS I should consider that wont cost me ANY money09:23
admin0system = your own laptop, os = ubuntu  :D09:23
admin0both free09:23
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umbrualbert@admin0 - Perfect,Thanks, any specific version of Ubuntu I should be considering specifically wanting to focus on NFV and having support for SR-IOV09:27
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admin0SDN might cost you money, depending on what you want09:27
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umbrualbertstrictly speaking - I think the SDN/NFV conversation is still some learning away from me, so starting with Ubuntu should be fine for now. I would like to focus on virtualising SBC's considering packet throughput and DDoS09:29
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tumblecan anyone tell me what logic decides on which physical host my vm gets created? I remember my cloud was properly distributing the VMs in the past but now all VMs land on the same host, although its ressources are on the limit already09:36
admin0ubuntu by itself will not give you nfv or sr-iov :)09:36
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admin0tumble are you stacking ?09:37
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admin0http://www.openstackfaq.com/openstack-stacking-vs-spreading/09:37
admin0well, you might not also have the necessary filters on09:37
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tumbledon't know yet what that means, let me read, thanks for the hint :)09:38
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tumblehm interesting feature, commented out in my config though, so it must be something else09:43
tumbleI got only 1 of 11 instances running on a different host and this one was created a month ago, something must have changed since then, I didn't update though09:44
tumbleit's also not like I'm really experiencing performance problems on that one host09:45
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tumblemaybe for openstack it looks powerful enough yet, but my problem is that it's swapping already http://dpaste.com/1CNMY3S09:45
admin0then check the nova scheduler logs on verbose mode09:45
tumblewill look at that09:45
admin0you can reserve more memory for the node09:45
tumbleyou mean I can tell it to leave some free for I/O cache?09:46
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admin0tumble: what is the value of reserved_host_memory_mb ?09:51
admin0in nova.conf ?09:51
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tumblereserved_host_memory_mb=51209:52
tumblethat looks little09:52
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tumbleespecially since this node is controller and compute in one09:53
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tumbleI wonder if I caused this scheduling behavior by increasing the RAM in "Defaults", I thought it would only increase the quota for all projects09:58
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tumblehttps://s16.postimg.org/6l3o0z0xx/vm_distribution.png10:01
tumblethat's how it currently looks10:01
tumbleit actually sees the available RAM of the hosts correctly10:01
TobiSani am searching a lightweight linux distribution for my openstack host. do you have any suggestions?10:02
tumblewhen I create a VM manually via web interface, the availability zone drop down is empty for me, is that normal? I have an availability zone called "internal" actually, maybe it uses some default like nova and that's why it won't use my hosts10:04
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tumbleobviously my cloud thinks my other compute nodes have no disk space, guess that's why it doesn't schedule for them10:28
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khaleelHello i need documentation to install Openstack on 3node, appreciate if you could send me some docs on khaleel@rhca.in10:42
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edismone around?11:09
chaithanya_Hey, I am a newbie. Could you give me some pointers as to where I can find bugs for beginners?11:09
edia pro preferably11:09
edi:)11:09
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edistill have a portbinding issue11:09
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ediwhen spawning an instance11:09
ediin OS mitaka11:10
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John_williamhello13:49
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John_williami need some help in openstack13:49
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John_williamhello13:51
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jrollJohn_william: "don't ask to ask, just ask"13:53
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John_williamthanks #jroll .. I am new to openstack and have just have installed that devscript and also have created instance but i want to access that instance from other network  so how i can do that ?13:55
* jroll is not sure he can help but hopefully someone else can13:56
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Steve__Hi all,13:58
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Steve__quick hopefully easy question. I have a openstack service that uses ephmeral local storage for nova instances, but cinder volumes are stored in ceph. If i boot an instance and then attach a volume, I am unable to get live migration to work.13:59
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Steve__live migration does work if i boot ephmeral with no attached cinder volumes, or if i boot soley from volume13:59
Steve__anyone point me in the direction of investigation13:59
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fricklerSteve__: I think this got fixed for Mitaka, which release are you running?14:02
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Steve__Liberty14:04
Steve__im guessing it gets confused about what to do, as it doesnt need to do anything with the volume, but doenst know that14:04
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Steve__frickler, im reading that its possible to select which items should be block migrated. but am unable to find any concreate examples. do you by chance have any ideas?14:11
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fricklerSteve__: that is what was done for Mitaka, but I think it is not feasible to backport that work to Liberty. it needed a new libvirt release with support for selecting volumes, IIRC14:13
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Steve__Ah...14:14
Steve__thank frickler14:14
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blinky_ghosthi all, can anybody tell me how do I resize an instance on the same host? I'm using kilo. thanks14:19
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crazyfistsi have some trouble setting up devstack, can i pm somebody who is willing to help me14:31
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ajay123I have getting this issue while creating a storage class : CantStartEngineError: No sql_connection parameter is established14:37
ajay123any help/14:37
ajay123?14:37
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meenais there anything specific i can do when a server shows up in openstack server list (and openstack stack list) but doesn't react to ping, and has been hanging in the  OS-EXT-STS:task_state: reboot_started forhalf an hour now?14:49
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haukebrunosince I am too stupid to google correctly, does anyone know whether we can use both tenant/self-service AND provider networks in the same region (or stack)?14:59
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Sam-I-Amhaukebruno: yes15:01
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Sam-I-Amthat should appear obvious in the docs15:01
Sam-I-Amas they do not discuss different regions15:01
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haukebrunothanks Sam-I-Am, I didn't find that in the docs for now, but I will have a look again15:02
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Sam-I-Amhaukebruno: the networking guide on docs.openstack.org does not mention regions15:10
admin0haukebruno: yes you can15:10
Sam-I-Amself-service networks use provider networks for outside connectivity, so self-service networks essentially build on provider networks15:10
Sam-I-Amyou can add self-service networks to an env with provider nets15:11
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cnfI wonder how long before dist packages will have newton availble15:27
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Sam-I-Amcnf: several weeks usually15:31
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Sam-I-Amfor official ones15:31
cnfthat's not too bad15:31
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skamalakannanhello. Anyone resolved internet connectivity issue in VM's in mitaka or liberty15:54
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skamalakannananyone can help me on internet connectivity in openstack16:00
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mmm_c_nTrying to track down a somewhat weird nova behaviour in my installation. The nova endpoint is defined as usual: https://<hostname>:8774/v2/%(tenant_id)s.  However that url gives a 404 for some reason I can't figure out.  Now if I use the novaclient this is not a big deal as the client seems to fallback and just call the /v2  (without the tenantid), and succeeds in doing that. Finally the client calls /v2/<tenantid>/servers/detail a16:35
mmm_c_nnd gets all the content.16:35
mmm_c_nIf I change the endpoint so just /v2  (without the tenant id) the client will (of course) query /v2 directly and thereby skip the 404-call. But that doesn't sounds like a good solution as I'm not sure what other problems that can create.16:36
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mmm_c_nAnyone that has seeen this before or has any idea where I should start looking?16:37
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Sam-I-Ammmm_c_n: openstack version?16:46
mmm_c_nMitaka16:46
mmm_c_nRDO-packaging16:46
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Sam-I-Ampretty sure mitaka wants /v2.116:48
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Sam-I-Amnot that it solves your problem16:48
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mmm_c_nNo it doesn't. From my point of view it's weird that the client tries to call /v2/<tenantId>.  Looking at the API documentation it should try /v2/<tenantId>/servers or /v2/<tenantId/servers/details16:49
haukebrunoSam-I-Am, admin0 thanks for pointing out.16:49
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Sam-I-Amold client?16:50
Sam-I-Ampretty sure the nova client is no longer a thing16:50
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Sam-I-Amreplaced by the openstack client16:50
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mmm_c_nMost users seem to still use the regular clients though16:52
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mmm_c_nOur users that is...16:52
mmm_c_nfor good or bad :)16:52
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Sam-I-Amjust symlink it. they'll figure it out :)16:53
Sam-I-Amthe osc might finally support real versioning16:53
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mmm_c_nI'll see if I can get the openstackclient to work on my laptop and see how it behaves.16:57
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mmm_c_nCurrently stuck in git/pip/version mismatch hell16:57
Sam-I-Amheh16:58
Sam-I-Amvenvs are your friend16:58
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fandii a lot of queues on rabbitmq18:14
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fandihttp://paste.openstack.org/show/FXQlFmOd1nBUuGWzFm6Z/ i found so many list_queues18:17
fandinotifications.info      0       30580818:17
fandiis it safe to delete on production and live environment ?18:17
fandithanks18:17
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nookfooAnyone have access to the redhat customer knowledgebase?18:51
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FL1SKNewton logo18:56
FL1SKanyone18:56
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admin0FL1SK:  logo there => https://www.openstack.org/software/newton/18:57
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nookfooAnyone have access to this page? https://access.redhat.com/solutions/207566319:08
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Sam-I-Ambazyar: how goes it?19:09
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skamalakannanhi. anyone can help me on internet connectivity in instances19:55
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SantoDEhey fellas. I'm struggling to setup my openstack cli. I followed the docs but I end up with "openstack stack create openstack: 'stack' is not an openstack command. See 'openstack --help'."19:59
SantoDEanyone got an idea what I'm missing?20:00
Sam-I-AmSantoDE: probably too old a version to have heat commands20:00
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kbringard^^20:00
SantoDEopenstack --version openstack 3.2.020:00
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kbringarddoes the stack command require passing api-version 3?20:01
Sam-I-Amthats the next thing i'd wonder20:01
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Sam-I-Amthe client is good at 'disappearing' options20:02
SantoDEI tried using an v3 rc but it fails. It only works with a v2 rc, so I guess not?20:02
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SantoDEi fixed it :(20:03
kbringardI think you need to pass like --os-identity-api-version 320:03
SantoDEThanks @kbringard20:03
kbringardyea, I hate that usage20:03
kbringardit's bitten me so many times20:03
SantoDEopenstack client version was good. pip install --upgrade python-heatclient fixed it20:03
kbringardwhere I do openstack help20:03
SantoDEstupid20:03
kbringardand it doesn't show all the options20:03
kbringardyou have to do openstack --os-identity-api-version 3 help20:03
kbringardto get all the v3 options20:03
Sam-I-Amyou can't set that as a env var, or in clouds.yaml ?20:03
kbringardmaybe as an env var, been awhile since I messed with it20:03
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kbringardoh, in fact20:04
kbringardIdentity API version, default=2 (Env:20:04
kbringard                        OS_IDENTITY_API_VERSION)20:04
Sam-I-Amexport OS_IDENTITY_API_VERSION=320:04
kbringard^^20:04
Sam-I-Amthats what i use by default20:04
Sam-I-Amhave for a long time now20:04
kbringards-m-r-t20:04
Sam-I-Amthen there's a few other env vars that are useful20:04
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SantoDEthanks guys20:06
SantoDEcheers :)20:06
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bartdenhi, i wonder if it is possible to set up an openstack environment with provisioning of vm’s on a mac os laptop for dev environment20:12
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Sam-I-Amanything that runs python and libvirt20:16
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Sam-I-Amalthough there's an expectation of linux for the networking20:17
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Sam-I-Amso its probably more trouble than its worth20:17
TobiSanwell it kinda work in my virtualbox :D20:17
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Sam-I-Amyeah, you can do that too20:18
bartdenso run linux hosts in virtualbox on a mac os should work? what about kvm for compute node inside virtualbox, no problems?20:18
TobiSanexcept the problem binding vms directly to the provider net20:18
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TobiSani havnt tested it yet but should work if you can enable stacked virtualization on your mac20:19
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TobiSanor nested virtualization20:20
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bartdenok great, there are some minimal requirements on for each type of node, are they hard requirements, its just for developing with openstack20:21
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TobiSani am running nova, neutron, identity, dashboard and block storage inside one vm20:23
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TobiSanbut for developing its eventually better to spin up multiple vms to test multiple nodes etc20:24
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bartdenok thanks for the info20:29
bartdenis vxlan supported in this kind of environment?20:29
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TobiSanfollowing the cinder install guide for ubuntu creates two cinder-volume services21:05
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TobiSanthe default config had a path set which created the second one besides the lvm service21:06
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TobiSani was able to disable the file service but how can i delete it?21:09
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TobiSanSam-I-Am: after installing cinder, will new instances be persisted in cinder automatically=?21:22
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TobiSanthe /dev/vda device?21:23
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Sam-I-Amnot automatically, only if you tell it to use cinder21:27
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nookfooAnyone have experience with live-migrating instances with a cinder/iscsi backend? It doesn't seem to work21:32
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TobiSanSam-I-Am: am i right when i say: the benefit of using local storage instead of cinder is the performance on multi-node environments?21:50
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TobiSanso on a all-in-one deployment both solutions are equal right?21:51
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Sam-I-Amwell, cinder storage is persistent, local is not21:52
Sam-I-Amyou delete the instance, the local storage goes away21:52
Sam-I-Amtime to head out for the night21:53
TobiSanok one last question21:54
TobiSanhow can i define what to use on server creation?21:54
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SamYapleTobiSan: by default you use novas storage which is ephemeral22:46
SamYapleif you want to create a volume ahead of time, you can boot from volume. but its two seperate steps IIRC22:47
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mgagneTobiSan: you can use --block-device to boot from volume from an image22:56
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mgagneTobiSan: http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/cli-nova-launch-instance-from-volume.html You can use source=image,id=<image-id> and it should create a volume from the image and boot on it22:59
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