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| SamYaple | darkfires: by default, resizing to the same host is turned off. the resize and migrate code path are virtually identical | 00:12 |
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| SamYaple | so you are resizing to the same host, but it has to follow the code path it knows | 00:12 |
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| darkfires | it didnt resize to the same host, it went to another.. but the nfs is shared | 00:12 |
| SamYaple | right, but because you are using nfs, it doesnt know that | 00:13 |
| SamYaple | so its moving it | 00:13 |
| SamYaple | it looks like a filesystem to it | 00:13 |
| darkfires | it does because i can live migrate without it doing that | 00:13 |
| SamYaple | 100% different path | 00:13 |
| SamYaple | resize and migrate share the same code path | 00:13 |
| SamYaple | live-migrate is handled by libvirt/qemu | 00:13 |
| SamYaple | you also dont need ssh keys on the computes if you only livemigrate | 00:14 |
| darkfires | ok so what youre saying is openstack isnt capable of doing that even with nfs? | 00:14 |
| SamYaple | im saying its dependant on the backend driver. ceph driver, for example, doesnt have this issue | 00:15 |
| darkfires | k thanks, guess i have some coding to do | 00:16 |
| SamYaple | darkfires: i feel like this may have been an intentional design decission and unaviodable | 00:16 |
| SamYaple | you have two computes using the same nfs storage with two qemu processes at some point (at least two instances defined in libvirt on differnet hosts) | 00:17 |
| SamYaple | they would be accessign the same disk potentially if you didnt copy it like this | 00:17 |
| darkfires | i disagree, the vm is shutdown during that period | 00:17 |
| SamYaple | ceph has protections for that, nfs does not | 00:17 |
| SamYaple | darkfires: and a virsh command can still start it | 00:17 |
| SamYaple | and then you have data loss issues | 00:18 |
| SamYaple | so you are almost assuredly going to be able to hack it to do what you want, but its unlikely youll get that merged upstream | 00:18 |
| SamYaple | just to set expectations | 00:18 |
| darkfires | i've already made a ton of improvements to openstack that i don't bother trying to push upstream | 00:18 |
| SamYaple | well. good luck! | 00:19 |
| darkfires | one random example, when vm's run qemu resize it runs it on the nfs storage itself instead over nfs | 00:20 |
| darkfires | or rather node's run it not vms | 00:20 |
| darkfires | it does make it a pain in the ass to keep updated tho since i have to redo the patches whenever an update is released but whatever | 00:23 |
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| darkfires | in this case tho i'm likely going to attempt making a script that just updates the memory size in the database and restarts the vm | 00:24 |
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| SamYaple | darkfires: for starters if you want to go that path... you would have to update the flavor (flavors are immutable, the openstack cli creates and destroys the flavor to "update" it) | 00:27 |
| SamYaple | and then youll need to force the libvirt config to regen on the node with a 'nova reboot --hard' operation | 00:27 |
| SamYaple | also, this affects *all* instances of the same flavor, period | 00:28 |
| darkfires | actually i think the flavor is applied against the instances table | 00:28 |
| darkfires | | memory_mb | int(11) | YES | | NULL | | | 00:28 |
| SamYaple | oh youre talking about updating the flavor id on the instance, not the flavor itself | 00:28 |
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| SamYaple | so create new flavor and update id, then hard reboot | 00:28 |
| SamYaple | that should work | 00:29 |
| darkfires | that causes resize | 00:29 |
| raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day | 00:29 |
| SamYaple | .... not when you update the flavor in the database like you just said you were going to? | 00:29 |
| SamYaple | youll probably break some metrics doing it that way, but meh | 00:30 |
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| darkfires | possible, each instance has its own flavor in this case so dont think changing the flavor id is needed | 00:31 |
| darkfires | going to try real quick and see | 00:32 |
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| SamYaple | ok, then youll update the flavor table, that seems fine if each instance has its own flavor | 00:34 |
| darkfires | ok changing the database and reboot doesn't cause it to regenerate the xml on the node | 00:39 |
| SamYaple | `nova reboot --hard` regens it from the database | 00:40 |
| SamYaple | not just a reboot | 00:40 |
| darkfires | i did that | 00:40 |
| SamYaple | then the database changes were not correct | 00:40 |
| darkfires | when i do flavor-show it shows the change | 00:41 |
| darkfires | but yeah i think you're right i'm missing something cause i can't launch a new instance with it | 00:44 |
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| darkfires | oh nevermind it failed due to an image constraint | 00:47 |
| darkfires | it does work | 00:47 |
| darkfires | the flavor change with a new instance | 00:47 |
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| darkfires | 2018-04-03 20:57:50.414 309000 DEBUG nova.virt.libvirt.vif [req-24481a7e-13f8-495e-9fe6-21e042090f3f 62e4b71f740f4929ae7dee77296b2ac1 21c87b62e3594277901d66819220c633 - - -] vif_type=bridge instance=Instance(access_ip_v4=None,access_ip_v6=None,architecture=None,auto_disk_config=False,availability_zone=None,cell_name=None,cleaned=False,config_drive='',created_at=2017-03-15T17:06:20Z,default | 01:00 |
| darkfires | _ephemeral_device=None,default_swap_device=None,deleted=False,deleted_at=None,device_metadata=<?>,disable_terminate=False,display_description='scorpio',display_name='scorpio',ec2_ids=<?>,ephemeral_gb=0,ephemeral_key_uuid=None,fault=<?>,flavor=Flavor(12),host='nxnode4',hostname='scorpio',id=130,image_ref='b5c17424-6f25-4463-8918-7a4b8a43a8c2',info_cache=InstanceInfoCache,instance_type_id=12 | 01:00 |
| darkfires | ,kernel_id='',key_data=None,key_name=None,keypairs=<?>,launch_index=0,launched_at=2017-03-15T17:19:37Z,launched_on='nxnode1',locked=False,locked_by=None,memory_mb=4096,metadata={},migration_context=<?>,new_flavor=None,node='nxnode4',numa_topology=None,old_flavor=None,os_type=None,pci_devices=PciDeviceList,pci_requests=<?>,power_state=4,progress=0,project_id='21c87b62e3594277901d66819220c63 | 01:00 |
| darkfires | 3',ramdisk_id='',reservation_id='r-ya98cl9x',root_device_name='/dev/vda',root_gb=80,security_groups=<?>,services=<?>,shutdown_terminate=False,system_metadata={image_base_image_ref='b5c17424-6f25-4463-8918-7a4b8a43a8c2',image_container_format='bare',image_disk_format='qcow2',image_hw_qemu_guest_agent='yes',image_min_disk='80',image_min_ram='0'},tags=<?>,task_state='powering- | 01:00 |
| darkfires | it does see the memory change on memory_mb=4096 but must be a second thing somewhere that still making it show previous | 01:01 |
| darkfires | 2018-04-03 20:57:50.417 309000 DEBUG nova.virt.libvirt.driver [req-24481a7e-13f8-495e-9fe6-21e042090f3f 62e4b71f740f4929ae7dee77296b2ac1 21c87b62e3594277901d66819220c633 - - -] [instance: 898e8f4c-0eb0-428c-8e47-aa7ded8fc7ca] End _get_guest_xml is what doesn't see the change | 01:03 |
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| darkfires | ill figure it out tomorrow.. sam i appreciate your help | 01:04 |
| darkfires | thanks | 01:04 |
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| SamYaple | darkfires: +1 | 01:14 |
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| Horrorcat | okay, so I’ve set up keystone-to-keystone federation and I can authenticate with a simple test python script. I’m now trying to get WebSSO to work with horizon. The goal is that a user chooses the IdP keystone before login. | 09:14 |
| Horrorcat | Is that possible? It seems to be from what I gathered in the docs (specifically https://docs.openstack.org/keystone/pike/advanced-topics/federation/websso.html ) | 09:14 |
| Horrorcat | If it is possible, what is my mistake? When I click Connect on Horizon with a federated keystone instance (let’s call it keystone-remote) selected as identity provider, I get redirected to the local keystone (lets call it keystone-local): https://keystone-local:5000/v3/auth/OS-FEDERATION/identity_providers/idp/protocols/mapped/websso?origin=... Accessing this URL fails with 401 Unauthorized when configuring apache as described in https://d | 09:17 |
| Horrorcat | cs.openstack.org/keystone/pike/advanced-topics/federation/websso.html | 09:17 |
| Horrorcat | (the unauthorized page is from *apache*, not from keystone itself. keystone never sees the request) | 09:17 |
| Horrorcat | this makes me think that the redirect is somehow going to the wrong location | 09:17 |
| Horrorcat | and I don’t know why | 09:17 |
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| Horrorcat | this is the shibboleth-apache-config for the local keystone: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/76f968b6/ | 09:19 |
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| cmurphy | Horrorcat: keystone-to-keystone federation doesn't work in the same way as regular federation with horizon, you won't be able to choose the IdP before login. Instead, you log in directly on the keystone IdP and then once you're logged in you can select the other keystone SP from a menu | 09:30 |
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| Horrorcat | oh-kay. so if we wanted that model we would have to use something non-keystone as IdP? | 09:32 |
| Horrorcat | (with model, I mean the "choose provider before login" authentication model) | 09:33 |
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| cmurphy | Horrorcat: correct | 09:36 |
| Horrorcat | thanks | 09:36 |
| Horrorcat | should’ve asked right away | 09:36 |
| Horrorcat | this answer would’ve saved me six hours or something :) | 09:36 |
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| Horrorcat | taking a step back. we want to implement a reseller-like concept. at the same time, we have multiple rather independent sites. we’d like to *not* use keystone-to-keystone federation because of the issues mentioned above (we’d like the user to sign into our SP and choose the IdP before login). So what other options do we have? There seems to be a plethora of SAML2/OIDC implementations out there, all of which are rather complex. Ideally, i | 11:34 |
| Horrorcat | would be a shim frontend in front of keystone so that we don’t have actual keystone-to-keystone federation but something which provides us with proper WebSSO. | 11:34 |
| Horrorcat | or are there other ways to achieve this? are we stuck in some dead-end and need to re-think what we’re doing? | 11:34 |
| arneschreuder | Hi Guys, we encountered a problem during a test this morning. We wanted to test ceph's capabilities to function on N-1 nodes. Now, we have restarted a single node using maas' interface, and now windows images are stuck in boot loop. Any suggestions? | 11:35 |
| arneschreuder | PS. Linux instances are just fine after reboot. Is there some way to "rescue" an instance by creating a new image from that original instance's volume? | 11:36 |
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| arneschreuder | Nobody? | 11:40 |
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| hu_nokia | hello | 11:48 |
| mousycoder | hello | 11:48 |
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| mousycoder | where are u from | 11:48 |
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| hu_nokia | I have been working with openstack for few years. At this moment, we are testing flavor watchdog_action. | 11:48 |
| hu_nokia | I am from Nokia actually, located in Finland. | 11:49 |
| hu_nokia | I am here and try to get some help to find out why watchdog_action:pause is not stable. | 11:49 |
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| Horrorcat | another/different question: when researching for reselling options, I found that there was supposed to be something like hierarchical domains (e.g. https://www.openstack.org/assets/presentation-media/Flat-no-more-Hierarchical-multitenancy-and-projects-acting-as-domains-in-OpenStack.pdf ) | 12:12 |
| Horrorcat | we tried to set that up once, but failed to create a Project which also acts as a Domain | 12:12 |
| Horrorcat | were we simply stupid or is this not done yet? | 12:12 |
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| cmurphy | Horrorcat: I believe it is done, but it might not be well documented | 12:17 |
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| cmurphy | Horrorcat: if you want to join #openstack-keystone people who know more about it than me might be able to answer questions | 12:18 |
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| Horrorcat | okay, I’ll re-try setting it up then and ask there if I encounter new troubles, thank you very much. | 12:19 |
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| cmurphy | no problem | 12:19 |
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| ngauje | Hello, I have a question about instances snapshot. I was naively thinking that an instance snapshot would be done without impact but we have at least some I/O frozen during the operation right? An instance snapshot cannot be done with Zero impact? | 14:09 |
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| SamYaple | ngauje: at this stage, no. with all snapshoting mechanisms the instance stops temporarily | 14:31 |
| SamYaple | qemu itself supports what you are asking, but i dont even think libvirts gotten support for it yet | 14:31 |
| SamYaple | its a bit tricky since you have temporarily buffer writes elsewhere | 14:32 |
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| ngauje | SamYaple: Thank you for the response ! | 14:48 |
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| SamYaple | youre lowest downtime one is going to be ceph. it will CoW a snapshot back to glance and flatten it after the instance has resumed | 14:50 |
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| cnf | ugh, migrations never seem to work o,O | 15:07 |
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| cnf | can anyone help me recover VM's that are in error? | 15:36 |
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| flwang | greetings, is there any known issue/bug recently about devstack, python-openstackclient? my devstack always fail because openstack client can't create network in Neutron. thanks | 16:37 |
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| raynold | ahh it's a wonderful day | 16:37 |
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| pie3 | hi | 17:43 |
| pie3 | can you brief me what is openstack | 17:43 |
| pie3 | why it is needed | 17:43 |
| pie3 | what are its equivalent? | 17:43 |
| pie3 | what are its usecases? | 17:43 |
| pie3 | what is future expected development in openstack? | 17:43 |
| iggy | that's a very open-ended question | 17:45 |
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| pie3 | i am new to openstack iggy | 17:46 |
| pie3 | hence would like to know about it in a simpler word/terms | 17:46 |
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| DHE | I'm gonna recommend wikipedia then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openstack | 17:55 |
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| darkfires | SamYaple: i got it working, editing the db to resize the memory.. missing piece of the puzzle was nova.instance_extra.flavor, json array.. also have to restart nova-compute before reboot --hard, don't suppose there is a way to get compute to reload that info without restarting it? | 19:09 |
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| SamYaple | darkfires: hmm possibly deleting the libvirt.xml from /var/lib/nova for the instance. then nova reboot --hard should find and regen it | 19:15 |
| SamYaple | it should be doing it anyway, but i cant comment on the depths of all the old nova code | 19:15 |
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| darkfires | there's only 8 xml files when there is 26 instances on the node at the moment none of which are the instance in question, it seems reboot --hard does regenerate the xml info each time but it's pulling it from cache in nova-compute | 19:18 |
| darkfires | maybe one of the periodic tasks updates it | 19:19 |
| darkfires | aside from a resize/create which would trigger it | 19:19 |
| darkfires | periodic task ComputeManager._heal_instance_info_cache or maybe periodic task ComputeManager._sync_scheduler_instance_info | 19:20 |
| SamYaple | hmm i wonder if that is related to live-migrated instances then | 19:21 |
| darkfires | good question, i can check the migrations table to see if that is the case | 19:22 |
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| darkfires | huh wtf.. so each one was on the shared nfs in the instance directory with the disk file.. and none of the uuids are active vm's they were all deleted | 19:28 |
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| darkfires | bizarre | 19:29 |
| SamYaple | yea i moved our last nfs cluster years and years ago | 19:29 |
| SamYaple | well it was another job | 19:29 |
| SamYaple | but we stopped using it around grizzly/havana | 19:29 |
| SamYaple | always had weird issues like this. they probably have reasonable explainations, but i dont know what those are | 19:30 |
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| darkfires | we're using nexenta zfs backend with 2 nodes for HA/SAS multipath failover .. have 3 different setups like that, but yeah might be time to start looking at another storage system that's more friendly with openstack | 19:34 |
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| zetab_ | and what is that? :) | 19:41 |
| zetab_ | redhat is nowadays saying that ceph is the best.. but our research tells that the performance is not that good | 19:41 |
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| zetab_ | (and we have some lessons learned that ceph is corrupting data) | 19:42 |
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| darkfires | good question, i don't know.. i've had very good luck with zfs, never lost a single byte of data to it since i started working with it in 2008, even in some disaster situations where i know for a fact with the amount of drives that went bad other fs's would have crumbled.. zfs saved the day | 19:43 |
| SamYaple | yea zfs is great. but you hit the nail on the head "disaster situation" | 19:44 |
| SamYaple | ive only ever seen dataloss because of user failure (zfs or ceph) | 19:45 |
| SamYaple | not knowing what to do, doingthe wrong thing, losing data | 19:45 |
| SamYaple | ceph performance is top tier for *network* storage. it will never be able to compare to the throughput on local storage though | 19:46 |
| darkfires | that's a good point, it doesn't take much for an idiot to ruin things | 19:46 |
| SamYaple | but its a trade. we love ceph, but we also live-migrate alot for maintenance and load balancing | 19:46 |
| SamYaple | local storage wouldnt let us do that | 19:46 |
| zetab_ | SamYaple: we are using ScaleIO in our cinder, it is much faster than ceph | 19:46 |
| zetab_ | like I can read / write something like 1000MB/s to cinder | 19:47 |
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| zetab_ | with ceph its 100-200MB/s and eats cpu as hell | 19:47 |
| darkfires | i had considered trying out gluster on top of zfs on linux at one point | 19:47 |
| SamYaple | zetab_: im sure your scaleio is faster than someone elses ceph cluster. but if i can saturate bond 25gb nics with ceph traffic, gonna be hard to see anyone really claim to *beat* that | 19:48 |
| darkfires | 1000 mb/sec is pretty decent | 19:48 |
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| zetab_ | SamYaple: when we tried ceph last time, the problem is not nics. The problem is that the whole ceph installation eats quite much cpu | 19:50 |
| zetab_ | if we compare that what scaleio does | 19:50 |
| darkfires | how much mem was in the systems you were testing with | 19:51 |
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| zetab_ | our machines has 512GB mem and 40 cpus | 19:52 |
| zetab_ | some of those 1TB mem | 19:53 |
| darkfires | obviously not a lack of mem then | 19:54 |
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| zetab_ | redhat engineers tried to solve that issue without success | 19:54 |
| zetab_ | so we continue running scaleio :) | 19:54 |
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| SamYaple | wow yea, im not sure what configuration you were running, that seems excessive | 19:55 |
| SamYaple | i mainly co-locate my computes and storage these days | 19:56 |
| SamYaple | hyperconverage or whatever the buzzword is now | 19:56 |
| SamYaple | cpu can be rough during recovery, but thats to be expected. otherwise its fine | 19:56 |
| darkfires | yeah, definitely expected | 19:57 |
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| csrl | I've been researching how to setup shared storage in Openstack but it feels like a needle in a haystack. Does anyone have any experience of getting a shared FC-SAN volume working? I have 3 compute nodes, all pointing to the same volume. It is referenced on each of them as /dev/mapper/mpatha. I am using juju 2.35 and this is a clean-slate install. The compute nodes only have tiny local storage so I don't think ceph is ideal. | 22:52 |
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| bollig | from what I understand its a new feature in queens | 22:53 |
| bollig | that is: cinder multi-attach volumes | 22:53 |
| csrl | @bollig https://docs.openstack.org/cinder/latest/admin/blockstorage-volume-multiattach.html - is this what you are talking about? | 22:55 |
| bollig | yes | 22:56 |
| csrl | Ok, dumb question probably now, is there a way I can set the release of openstack with juju? | 22:57 |
| bollig | that I dont know | 22:57 |
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| csrl | K, thanks anyhow. That one phrase just got me more helpful hits than an entire day of searching. | 22:58 |
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| csrl | I think I can leverage this to set the version. https://docs.openstack.org/charm-guide/latest/1702.html | 22:58 |
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