Friday, 2016-05-06

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dasmgood morning OSICers13:08
electrocucarachamorning13:10
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kencjohnstono/ morning team!13:31
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diltrammornign13:44
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inc0o/14:02
mrhillsmanmorning14:05
dolphmmrhillsman: o/14:05
mrhillsmaneven though i been up since 3am ;)14:05
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dolphmmrhillsman: time for beer, then!14:06
mrhillsman*.*14:06
raj_singhmorning14:06
jrolldolphm: it's still before noon, bloody mary or get out :)14:11
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anushgood friday morning14:35
odyssey4mehaha jroll agreed14:36
inc0guys, what was address of our bouncer?14:38
sigmavirus24inc0: going to go take of the bouncer so they let you into the club next time?14:42
inc0nah, that I can do right now14:43
sigmavirus24inc0: they will just hire another bouncer if you take this bouncer out14:43
sigmavirus24inc0: then why do you want the bouncer's address?14:43
inc0for vm in $(nova list) nova delete....14:43
inc0I want to talk to it14:43
sigmavirus24inc0: I think you need to do a little more to get that for loop to work ;)14:44
inc0sniper rifles over weapons of mass destruction, you know14:44
sigmavirus24maybe pipe some stuff to grep awk and sed and then back out to echo to really get under some people's skin14:44
inc0awk should be enough14:44
sigmavirus24inc0: nah, you need all 3 just to really annoy some people14:45
inc0ah well14:45
sigmavirus24inc0: if you're going to work on openstack you need to learn to troll people and make their eyes bleed via gerrit14:45
inc0well, I'm one of proponents of adding -3 to gerrit14:46
inc0"and don't come back"14:46
jrollsigmavirus24++14:46
dasmsigmavirus24: it would be enough to just delete GATEWAY_NET14:46
inc0dasm, vms will stay14:47
dasmso then everyone would be very disappointed.14:47
inc0and this can be fixed14:47
inc0if it can be fixed, it's no fun14:47
dasminc0: so, you're planning to do mass destruction?14:47
inc0unless I get the address14:47
jrollit'd be more fun to log in to the bouncer and sed -i s/freenode/efnet/ everywhere14:47
inc0it's a hostage situation really14:47
jrollwatch confusion ensue14:47
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sigmavirus24jroll: for example, my favorite way to troll openstack is to tell them to use docker because it's webscale and enterprise14:49
jrollsigmavirus24: not mongo?14:49
jrollI really want to do a super elaborate april fools next year, should get started now14:49
sigmavirus24jroll: mongo's passé at this point14:49
dasmmangodb?14:49
jrollfair14:50
sigmavirus24jroll: my  april fool's for next year is to submit a review that deletes all of glance and replaces it with a very simple twisted server ;)14:50
jrollsigmavirus24: too obvious14:50
jrollthis needs to go on for a month14:50
sigmavirus24Also requires PyPy14:50
jrollget summit sessions planned etc14:50
sigmavirus24jroll: a bunch of PRs that slowly delete sections of glance?14:51
inc0sigmavirus24, that actually would be change for good14:51
sigmavirus24inc0: that's the fun of the joke14:51
dasmsigmavirus24: you can submit a patch where swift will be replaced with /dev/null14:51
sigmavirus24dasm: that is more webscale14:51
jrollheh14:51
sigmavirus24http://devnull-as-a-service.com/14:51
inc0or start writing docs how good ceilometer works on mangodb14:51
dasmsigmavirus24: ROTFL14:52
jrollsigmavirus24: I'm thinking things like, remove the ipmi driver from ironic because ipmi is too unreliable to support14:52
sigmavirus24jroll: and remove iscsi from cinder/14:52
jrollyep14:52
inc0sigmavirus24, another good change14:52
sigmavirus24jroll: can remove pkcs#11 support from barbican because no one needs HSMs14:53
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inc0nobody uses barbican, it probably wouldnt even get noticed14:54
jrollsigmavirus24: and remove kvm from nova because distros can't agree on a single kernel to support14:54
inc0that being said, ceilometer is the same14:54
MudpuppyREMOVE SYSTEMD!14:55
navidpdstanek, What are the bugs you are working today?14:55
dasminc0: jroll: sigmavirus24: Mudpuppy: I suggest, we should start doing important things. I'll submit a spec to nova, about doing servers, instead of clouds.14:56
dasmcloud is obsolete, so we should get back to roots.14:56
Mudpuppytftp/pxe the world!14:56
dasm"There is no cloud. Just other people's computers"14:56
dstaneknavidp: the first one i'm going to look at is https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1572341 since it's high priority. need to hit up morgan to see if he started to work on it or not.14:56
openstackLaunchpad bug 1572341 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Failed migration 90 -> 91 Can't DROP 'ixu_user_name_domain_id'" [High,Triaged]14:56
* jroll points dasm at ironic14:57
jrollOOO14:57
dstaneknavidp: that's one of the ones that need a patch14:57
navidpdstanek, is there another bug I can start working on it14:57
jrolldasm: a driver for ironic to use malware and a rootkit to deploy to random internet-connected machines14:57
dasmjroll: LOL14:57
dasmjroll: i like it!14:57
Mudpuppyironic, that ironic needs a cloud to build a snowflake heheh14:57
sigmavirus24inc0: barbican's actually quite useful, if only enterprises cared about the security of their secrets14:57
sigmavirus24Mudpuppy: it is ironic, isn't it14:58
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MudpuppyI think barbican could be renamed to stick-pad. Then enterprises would get it.14:58
sigmavirus24What about an IOTaaS service that turns your coffee pot on and off randomly14:58
dstaneknavidp: take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/150331214:58
openstackLaunchpad bug 1503312 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Optimization: Don't rebuild revoke-tree in each validate-token call" [Medium,In progress]14:58
inc0sigmavirus24, I'm not saying it's not useful, I'm saying people doesnt use it;)14:58
sigmavirus24Mudpuppy: wait wait wait, I have a great name for barbican: leftpad14:58
inc0dont*14:58
MudpuppySomeone hacked my coffee pot to make cuban coffee. I was up all night.14:58
sigmavirus24inc0: right, I'm saying enterprises are reckless with their data is all14:59
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dstaneknavidp: it has a patch (that's dated) and a good amount of discussion. when i did a quick read through i couldn't determine if it was a bug we want to fix or not14:59
inc0sigmavirus24, they use openstack, how much do you expect from them14:59
sigmavirus24Mudpuppy: well I was up all night til the sun14:59
jrollsigmavirus24: re: coffee https://github.com/NoBodyCam/ironic14:59
jrollsigmavirus24: see the readme14:59
sigmavirus24inc0: true, I guess no one is going to use openstack-ansible-security eitehr14:59
navidpdstanek, I will look into it.14:59
jroll(and yes, this totally works)15:00
sigmavirus24jroll: that's amazing15:00
sigmavirus24Mudpuppy: https://github.com/NoBodyCam is your cousin I guess, right?15:00
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Mudpuppysigmaviruss24: I can not confirm nor deny.15:01
Mudpuppyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXxLh2yDcxw15:04
sigmavirus24Mudpuppy: I'll take that as a "yes"15:04
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pabelangerohai!16:15
pabelangerwanted to see if there was a status page for OSIC someplace16:16
pabelangerwe are having some issues creating FIPs and wanted to see if this was a know issue16:16
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sigmavirus24pabelanger: what kind of problems are you seeing?16:19
sigmavirus24are they connectivity or are the FIPs just not appearing or something else?16:19
pabelangerUnknownConnectionError: Unexpected exception for https://cloud1.osic.org:9696/v2.0/floatingips.json: ("Connection broken: error(104, 'Connection reset by peer')", error(104, 'Connection reset by peer'))16:19
sigmavirus24irtermite: that might be related to the F5 changes yesterday ^16:19
pabelangersigmavirus24: basically connection reset by peer errors16:19
sigmavirus24pabelanger: yeah, so kilo neutron doesn't support X-forwarded-proto headers and the URLs coming back were all http:// which wasn't ideal. I know some F5 changes were made but that's about the only think I can think of changing16:20
pabelangerlooks like the problems started about 6 hours ago: http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/nodepool-osic16:20
pabelangersigmavirus24: ack16:20
sigmavirus24Hum16:21
sigmavirus24That F5 change was made last night before I left for the night iirc16:21
pabelanger2016-05-06 11:32:40 UTC appears to be the last time we could list floating ips16:22
pabelangersame with delete16:22
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sigmavirus24Yeah the change could be best estimated as to have been effective around 2300 UTC on the fifth16:26
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pabelangersigmavirus24: okay, should we file an issue or simply stop launching instances for now?16:31
sigmavirus24¯\_(ツ)_/¯16:32
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sigmavirus24I would wait for dasm cloudnull or someone else to get back to you baout the cluster16:32
sigmavirus24Sorry pabelanger :(16:32
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pabelangersigmavirus24: ack16:32
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inc0what about clusteR?16:33
inc0I might be able to help too16:33
irtermitepabelanger: status page? not that I am aware of... YET, but it is something we have been discussing lately. Not only for online status, but also for for resident count and "you're wait in line is..."16:33
irtermitesigmavirus24: cloudnull literally just walked out the door for lunch16:35
sigmavirus24irtermite: Yeah, I think he's been head's down on stuff this morning (he hasn't been responding to IRC pings)16:36
sigmavirus24I'm doing a training course right now16:36
sigmavirus24inc0: if you read up a bit you'll see what's wrong with the cluster16:36
irtermitesigmavirus24: are you certain this is related? How would the XFP stuff relate to a connection reset?16:36
inc0sigmavirus24, remember when I asked about bouncer?16:37
irtermitesigmavirus24: he hasn't been at his desk, correct16:37
dasmpabelanger: i've seen similar problems yesterday. but right now i've created stack with vm and i got floating ip.16:38
sigmavirus24inc0: I do remember16:38
dasmsigmavirus24: thanks for pointing me, but i do not have an access to cloud1 logs16:38
irtermitedasm: sigmavirus24: inc0: pabelanger: We are talking with our networking folk now... hang tight.16:39
dasmirtermite: ack16:39
inc0sigmavirus24, that was because I wanted to gain ability to "read back"16:39
pabelangergreat, thanks16:39
dasminc0:16:39
dasm16:17:07       pabelanger | UnknownConnectionError: Unexpected exception for https://cloud1.osic.org:9696/v2.0/floatingips.json: ("Connection broken: error(104,   │ ametts16:39
dasm                          | 'Connection reset by peer')", error(104, 'Connection reset by peer'))16:39
sigmavirus24inc0: what IRC client are you using that you don't have 20-ish lines of scrollback?16:39
inc0one that disconnects;)16:40
dasmsigmavirus24: inc0 just reconnected.16:40
inc0I just came back to channel16:40
dasmsigmavirus24: inco cannot bouncer.16:40
dasm*inc016:40
sigmavirus24dasm: ah, I have joins/parts turned off due to the amount of noise it generates in #openstack-* channels16:40
dasmsigmavirus24: me too.16:40
irtermiteyea, I can't stand how large chat logs get in some of these chans16:41
irtermiteI turned all that off long ago too16:41
sigmavirus24irtermite: maybe you should limit yourself to 4 chans then ;)16:41
dasmirtermite: the best i've seen during Summit. a lot of joins/rejoins/reconnects/etc :P16:41
irtermiteI see what you did there16:41
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irtermitesigmavirus24: you know I'm in all the things!16:41
sigmavirus24irtermite: I do and that's a reason I <3 you16:42
irtermiteactually, wait. In freenode today, I ACTUALLY AM in 4 chans. Internal IRC... that's another story.16:42
* sigmavirus24 goes back to concentrating on training now that people who can actually help with the osic lcuster16:42
irtermitehaha <316:42
irtermitethanks for pinging me sigmavirus24. We'll get this.16:42
sigmavirus24I owe you something celebratory next time I'm in SATX irtermite16:43
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irtermite*squee!!!*16:43
spotzooohh why we celebrating?:)16:43
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irtermitespotz: oh, we aint celebrating yet... it's still broke16:44
spotzhehe16:44
irtermitehey diltram , we MIGHT be reverting yesterday's changes, to see if this is related. Are you still running your vagrant stuff today?16:46
irtermiteok yanked16:48
irtermitepalendae: test16:48
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irtermiteDPHAM: !!!16:48
irtermitejust waiting on palendae to confirm your changes solved the matter16:49
pabelangerwe just launched a node16:49
pabelangerwhat ever was reverted just fixed our issue16:49
irtermiteoops I meant pabelanger... not sure why I type palendae sorry about that16:49
pabelangersee http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/nodepool-osic16:50
irtermitewell poops16:50
irtermiteDPHAM: ^^    :(16:50
pabelangerirtermite: openstack-infra thanks you :)16:51
dasmirtermite: what was the issue? xfp?16:51
irtermiteso, I wonder if this is an issue with stream handlers, or would happen if XFP were actually available in OpenStack?16:51
irtermitedasm: nope... stream handling XFP no workies on Neutron or Glance16:52
irtermiteshould have been a comma after handling there...16:52
dasmirtermite: hm.16:53
irtermiteyea16:53
dasmmissing comma...16:53
dasmhttp://stupidest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/tasty-baby.jpg16:53
irtermiteBwaaahahaha16:54
irtermitetruth16:54
irtermitewho needs grammar and punctuation? the world is so much more humorous without it16:54
dasmirtermite: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IyazevhfZNA/ToSeXnM2WkI/AAAAAAAAE8A/bmaC8xTFu3c/s1600/zh.jpg16:55
irtermiteexactly!16:55
sigmavirus24irtermite: so i think what was happening was that stream handling was too stressful on the F5s16:55
sigmavirus24So they were dropping/reseting connections  to deal with load appropriately16:56
dasmsigmavirus24: lb couldn't take it?16:56
dasmsigmavirus24: if i recall correctly, f5 is lb. am i right?16:56
sigmavirus24dasm: F5s are good at somethings but not others16:56
sigmavirus24dasm: yes16:56
irtermitecorrect16:56
dasmsigmavirus24: \o/. my memory is still good!16:57
irtermiteI wonder... could it have just been a timeout?16:57
sigmavirus24dasm: and the stream handling is computationally expensive and humorously enough F5s are terrible at computationally expensive tasks16:57
sigmavirus24irtermite: could have been an F5 setting yes16:57
irtermitedidn't want long enough for the translation to take place on the F5?16:57
irtermiteDPHAM: thoughts?16:57
sigmavirus24irtermite: in the client? if the client is using requests, that exception woul dbe much different16:57
irtermitesuperman warned me it was going to cause somme overhead16:57
irtermitebut this?16:58
irtermitesigmavirus24: *shrug*16:58
sigmavirus24also there's no default timeout there16:58
sigmavirus24the connection reset exception that pabelanger is seeing is caused by whatever is handling the connection (e.g., the F5)16:58
sigmavirus24irtermite: I know too much about this stuff for my own health16:59
DPHAMi wouldn't expect resets to happen unless it eager-overwrote something16:59
irtermiteDPHAM: that secure proxy ssl header setting, you mean?17:01
DPHAMthe stream17:02
DPHAMinjecting XFP headers is nearly free in terms of performance/risk17:02
sigmavirus24^ right that's what I'd expect17:03
sigmavirus24DPHAM: to be clear, the openstack services in question just don't look for the XFP header17:03
sigmavirus24They literally don't have code that looks for it in Kilo17:03
sigmavirus24(which is waht's deployed on cloud1)17:03
sigmavirus24And Kilo is being EOL'd soon (next week or two) and has been in security backport mode for a few months already so no fixes to that would be accepted anyway17:04
irtermiteDPHAM: agreed, IF XFP were doable for all endpoints though. Which, according to cloudnull not all can handle17:04
irtermiteThat's where the stream came into play here17:04
sigmavirus24correct irtermite17:04
irtermitekilo --> mitaka actually17:05
irtermitewhich is unfortunate17:05
irtermitesigmavirus24: headed to lunch. if you have any other updates, hit that email thread. I'll hop back in here later17:06
sigmavirus24irtermite: will do17:06
irtermiteBasically, we just fixed for the majority of folk, but now diltram will be down17:06
irtermiteNot sure how to handle that.17:07
sigmavirus24irtermite: I'm not sure either17:08
irtermitesigmavirus24: cloudnull: who wants to file the bug/feature?  ;)17:08
* sigmavirus24 touches nose17:09
sigmavirus24not it17:09
irtermitedang it17:09
irtermiteok... on it. but first... LUNCH17:09
sigmavirus24Yes lunch always comes first ;)17:09
sigmavirus24And cloudnull is out and can't un voluntell himself ;)17:09
diltramirtermite: what?17:10
diltramirtermite: you reverted that?17:11
diltramirtermite: and what about me?17:14
sigmavirus24diltram: that change was causing OpenStack Infra to see gratuitous connection resets in their tooling17:14
sigmavirus24diltram: especially around retrieving floating IPs17:14
diltramsigmavirus24: so what I suppose to do?17:16
sigmavirus24¯\_(ツ)_/¯17:16
sigmavirus24Give people time to figure out what the right fix is for cloud117:16
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cloudnulldiltram: sorry. I think the answer for now is to use something other than vagrant for your workflow. it would seem neutron, cinder, and heat CFN do not support x-forwarded-proto which is going to require some upstream work to make that better for your case.17:32
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diltramcloudnull: ok, I'm gonna try to use something else bad it's horrible, we even can't use heat18:29
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diltramcloudnull: native openstack stack provider18:29
cloudnullwhats wrong with heat?18:33
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cloudnulldo you have a heat template I can test things with?18:34
cloudnullis it using CFN if so thats not going to work heat CFN also does not support ssl termination .18:34
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cloudnulldiltram: im not seeing an issue with heat...18:42
cloudnulli'll need more data to look into it18:42
cloudnulli built a few stacks and they all seem to be working18:42
diltramcloudnull: you need to talk about that with dasm, he had that issue with heat18:43
diltramcloudnull: vagrant-openstack-provider is prepared for that kind of issues so I'm survived, I can specify my own endpoint so I can provide the proper one18:44
diltramcloudnull: if you change something with that I can test that but I18:44
diltramwill be able to use that18:44
diltram:D18:44
cloudnullit looks like neutron simply doesn't support XFP yet and if we force it, it breaks in other ways.18:45
cloudnullso we're kinda stuck18:45
irtermitesorry diltram... 1 vs many issue, I guess.18:47
cloudnulldasm: https://snag.gy/meItz7.jpg -- heat seems good to me18:48
cloudnulli've not building super complex stacks but everything ive done with it seems to work18:48
cloudnulllet me know where its going off and i'll be happy to have a look18:49
cloudnullthe sad part is all this XFP nonsense simply goes to show nobody tests openstack with SSL18:49
diltramcloudnull: did you tried to use some neutron API request? create some network, router, plug that into VM?18:50
cloudnulli did18:50
cloudnullthat last stack built a couple vms w/ floats18:50
cloudnulldiltram: https://snag.gy/a8FE2i.jpg18:50
diltramcloudnull: so it suppose to work, probably I'm gonna configure my env to use SSL to be able to test that stuff :P18:51
cloudnullin OSA we just made SSL termination for all public endpoints the default in for newton18:51
irtermitecloudnull: re: ssl... which is funny, because remember everyone thought claco and I trying to test ssl on openstack was pointless...18:51
cloudnullencrypt all the things is a big push for this cycle18:52
cloudnullirtermite:  I remember18:52
cloudnullits not gotten better. . .18:52
irtermite"Noone will ever public endpoint ssl... they are secure once they are in."   <<  pft18:52
cloudnulldiltram: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277199/18:53
cloudnullevery service expects SSL18:53
cloudnullnow we need to get cinder to merge their ssl XFP patch and i think we're good for newton18:53
irtermiteheh18:53
diltramcloudnull: good to know :)18:55
diltrambut we will see how log does it take :p18:55
diltramlike with everything :p18:56
cloudnulltest and vote https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30515218:57
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dolphmmrhillsman: i just realized we should probably give tech leads and group coordinators some advance warning before they also get a meeting invite. so maybe i should draft the wide invite now so y'all can reference it, but i'll actually send it monday? cc- rderose19:11
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irtermitedolphm: what is that for? Hah... I ninja added him to a meeting today 10min before the meeting19:13
dolphmirtermite: we're looking to put together a post-summit knowledge transfer pow-wow19:15
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irtermiteahhhh, nice dolphm19:22
dolphmmrhillsman: hrm, i just realized strict timeslots won't really work if we start running particularly ahead of schedule19:24
dolphmmrhillsman: or behind. or maybe that's inevitable either way and nobody cares19:24
dolphmmrhillsman: rderose: draft attendee invite is on the etherpad19:27
mrhillsmandolphm done doodling :)19:27
mrhillsmani am that is19:27
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ntatahello all20:15
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spotzhello20:16
ntatawhen I add a new source file to any repo, do I have to add the Intel's copyright on it or keep it general since I belong to OSIC ?20:16
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sigmavirus24ntata: Intel employs you, not OSIC :)20:18
ntatasigmavirus24, makes sense :)20:19
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dasmcloudnull: i broke my heat stack accidentally, by deleting it when it was not finished. so tried to delete sth, what was not ready yet. and i think it's the problem i'm encountering right now.20:51
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dasmcloudnull: i'll just create other stack, and hope, that when cloud1 will be updated, all appropriate fixed will be there,20:52
dasmand will be able to delete "broken" stack.20:52
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karthikpjlwhite, hey21:36
jlwhiteHi karthikp21:38
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karthikpjlwhite, recheh <gate> the same as run <gate>?21:39
karthikpjlwhite, recheck*21:39
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karthikpjlwhite, there?21:47
jlwhiteyes21:47
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rderosedolphm: draft looks good22:17
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dolphmrderose: ++22:22
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