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| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, afternoon! any progress on the rename plan? | 13:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yup, need to move from head to the doc | 13:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | now registering channels, projects, etc. | 13:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, morning | 13:30 |
| themistymay | mattf, SergeyLukjanov: morning and afternoon! I missed the meeting yesterday, what was the outcome?? | 13:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | themistymay, hey | 13:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | themistymay, we're now Sahara ;) | 13:31 |
| themistymay | Well looky there! | 13:31 |
| themistymay | very nice! | 13:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | themistymay, I'll announce moving to the new channel early next week | 13:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | themistymay, it'll be #openstack-sahara | 13:32 |
| themistymay | ack | 13:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anyway, you can join it right now, but this channel is still actual before logging will be enabled for the new one | 13:32 |
| themistymay | I'll add it to the auto add list | 13:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/savanna: Update oslo-incubator common module https://review.openstack.org/78199 | 19:12 |
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| * mattf considers going against his better judgment and pushing the oslo sync | 19:23 | |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, there is a non-deterministic issue in gate, I'll retrigger your oslo sync when it'll be fixed | 19:25 |
| mattf | rc1 branch already happened right? | 19:26 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, master is a branch for rc1 | 19:29 |
| SergeyLukjanov | after releasing rc1 (March 27 [+1w probably]) master will be opened for J dev | 19:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, i3 just happened ;) | 19:30 |
| mattf | branched...reverse branched...whateva | 19:33 |
| mattf | i see we have b3 and rc1 (master)... | 19:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Lukjanov proposed a change to openstack/savanna: Make savanna able to be executed as sahara https://review.openstack.org/79063 | 19:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, where you see both i3 and rc1? | 19:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | probably I misunderstand you... | 19:34 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, unless you're hoping to do the entire renaming yourself, and really even if you plan to do it all yourself, you should send out info about what the scope is and how you'd like to approach it | 19:34 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, i don't see rc1, i asked the question backward. i should have asked if b3 branched, and i see it has. | 19:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, sure, I'm just discussing details now to complete the doc | 19:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the first is repos renaming, it'll be done this weekend | 19:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | currently, it looks like we'll rename in two steps | 19:37 |
| mattf | it might just be me missing something, but the rename impacts the entire community and only you seem to have information about it | 19:37 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, does you mean announcement of renaming or details of the process? | 19:38 |
| mattf | details of the process | 19:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've started sharing some thoughts about the process several weeks ago on weekly meeting and some of them on the last meeting (or after that?) | 19:39 |
| SergeyLukjanov | the overall idea is to rename repos / refs in external projects by adding aliases for the new name | 19:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and then rename stuff internally | 19:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm planning to finish renaming discussions today and share the plan in m | 19:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ml* | 19:41 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, is it ok for you? | 19:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Lukjanov proposed a change to openstack/savanna: Make savanna able to be executed as sahara https://review.openstack.org/79063 | 19:42 |
| mattf | sorry, irl interrupt | 19:45 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, just so long as you share the plan and get feedback from folks on it | 19:45 |
| mattf | i know a few folks who want to help out, but that can't happen if there's no information about what needs to be done | 19:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Trevor McKay proposed a change to openstack/python-savannaclient: Add cli integration test https://review.openstack.org/75527 | 19:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, sure, but we just selected name yesterday and it was a dev milestone release, so, I'm planning to share renaming plan today | 19:47 |
| mattf | there's a good number of people around here, many i'm sure would be willing to help out | 19:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, the renaming process itself will be started next week, when repos will be renamed | 19:49 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and we'll need to rename all stuff inside the savanna | 19:49 |
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| mattf | tmckay, yes, you add the modules you need to the openstack-common.conf file, then you checkout oslo-incubator and run the update.py script. | 19:59 |
| tmckay | mattf, okay, thanks, that points me in the right direction | 20:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Trevor McKay proposed a change to openstack/python-savannaclient: Add excutils and timeutils to openstack common https://review.openstack.org/79071 | 20:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Trevor McKay proposed a change to openstack/python-savannaclient: Add excutils and timeutils to openstack common https://review.openstack.org/79071 | 20:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Trevor McKay proposed a change to openstack/python-savannaclient: Add excutils and timeutils to openstack/common https://review.openstack.org/79071 | 20:31 |
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| mattf | elmiko, tmckay, crobertsrh, fyi - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/savanna-renaming-process | 20:40 |
| elmiko | mattf, got it, thanks | 20:41 |
| tmckay | mattf, weeha. | 20:41 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, do you have a list of things from the lawyers that MUST be renamed ASAP, that can help prioritize | 20:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I've shared this pad last meeting, but looks like I've need to share it again :) | 20:42 |
| mattf | irc...lossy medium... | 20:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, there is no formal list, I've talked with ttx and he said that we should rename all stuff | 20:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | anyway, I have an example for neutron | 20:43 |
| mattf | ok, so we can define the priority ourselves | 20:43 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35671/ | 20:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, we should fully rename client asap to reuse it | 20:44 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in other subproj | 20:44 |
| mattf | yikes, that's kinda heavy lifting by one person | 20:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, are you ready to volunteer for it? | 20:45 |
| mattf | the pad should become a blueprint w/ multiple items in the todo list. | 20:45 |
| mattf | or a master bp w/ sub-bps for each repo | 20:45 |
| mattf | this need not be a single threaded activity | 20:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, the problem with bps, that link will be changed while launchpadprojects renamed ;( | 20:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but it still works I think | 20:46 |
| mattf | heh | 20:47 |
| mattf | just don't put savanna/sahara in the bp name | 20:47 |
| mattf | we should start using dp | 20:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | solution to use openstack parent project | 20:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack?searchtext=savanna-renaming | 20:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, I'll move general stuff to it, feel free to create bps for subprojects and move related stuff | 20:48 |
| mattf | as for prioritizing, since there's no lawyer input, best to go w/ repos -> documentation -> user visible code (e.g. configuration, urls) -> other | 20:48 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, sounds correct | 20:48 |
| mattf | SergeyLukjanov, it makes sense that the rename is single threaded on you for the repo/project/ci renaming, after that we should be able to have more people involved. agree? | 20:54 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, exactly | 20:54 |
| mattf | and you're planning to have the single-threaded part done by mid next week? | 20:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I'm planning to do it this weekend | 20:55 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, because repos could be renamed only on weekends, it requires gerrit shutdown | 20:56 |
| mattf | in soviet russia the weekend enjoys you? | 20:56 |
| mattf | gotcha | 20:56 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yup | 20:58 |
| SergeyLukjanov | fyi, the monday is a day off in Russia due to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Women%27s_Day | 21:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, I've moved general rename checklist to the bp | 21:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | re blueprints, let's create all of them in main lp project due to the intention to rename it before the rc | 21:02 |
| mattf | ok, i'll take an action to do that | 21:03 |
| mattf | i'm thinking about having one per repo | 21:03 |
| mattf | each repo can have an owner who is responsible for making sure it's converted | 21:03 |
| mattf | i'm happy to take the elements one | 21:03 |
| mattf | we'll need volunteers for client, service and dashboard | 21:04 |
| mattf | ideally someone w/ experience in the repo... | 21:04 |
| mattf | it's kinda late for many in the community, so let's ping people by next tues to assign bps | 21:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yup, I'll send an email to ML | 21:06 |
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| mattf | btw, i'd nominate alazarev or aignatov to own the sahara.git bp, probably tmckay to own the python-saharaclient.git and maybe chad for the sahara-dashboard repo | 21:10 |
| mattf | i'll have a look at extras and puppet to see how much work might be there | 21:11 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, sounds ok | 21:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | shit | 21:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | blueprints sucks for coloboration | 21:14 |
| mattf | i just step on you? | 21:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, yup :) | 21:14 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | probably not very good idea to move it to BPs | 21:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we'll need many work items | 21:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and will step each other | 21:15 |
| mattf | you've got the write token. i'll wait until you're asleep to do any more updates. | 21:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, we can just edit different blueprints | 21:16 |
| mattf | no worries. i'll just edit later | 21:16 |
| SergeyLukjanov | but, let's stop for moment and take a look on pros and cons of bps vs. pad | 21:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in pad we're safe to collaborate | 21:17 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, ^^ | 21:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in bps it's simpler to assign but it could be done by just note in pad | 21:18 |
| mattf | i'm not too concerned about using bps | 21:18 |
| mattf | we just need to be aware that last writer wins, and there's no warning if the bp has changed since you started editing | 21:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | my main concern is that it's easier to just describe the process in pad vs. handle several separated blueprints | 21:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | one bp vs. bp per project vs. pad | 21:19 |
| mattf | how about pads can be easily stepped on w/o notice | 21:20 |
| mattf | there's a history, but it's a pita to work w/ <- from experience | 21:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | not too easy as bps :) | 21:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I don't like that we can't format text in blueprints | 21:21 |
| mattf | heh. did you have a lot of items in the task list that got deleted? | 21:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we can't add questions, notes, sections... | 21:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, nope, just reordering | 21:22 |
| mattf | the structure you've got right now is good. questions are more dynamic in the pad | 21:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, I'm now thinking about how to collect status of renaming | 21:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we'll need to aggregate info from 6 bps and etherpad | 21:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | one etherpad will be too big to handle everithing | 21:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I mean bp | 21:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and in fact we'll have separated assignments mostly on the general bp | 21:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Trevor McKay proposed a change to openstack/python-savannaclient: Add cli integration test https://review.openstack.org/75527 | 21:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we can't make multiline task in work items... | 21:31 |
| mattf | i'm about to be irl interrupted again | 21:31 |
| mattf | yup. i broke big tasks out into separate bps before. | 21:31 |
| mattf | bps are not a great tool, but they add value over a big list. | 21:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | launchpad completely sucks, waiting for storyboard | 21:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | let's not spent time for moving stuff to blueprints | 21:32 |
| mattf | i'm happy to spend some of my time doing it | 21:33 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | what pros of bps you see? | 21:34 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | it's still looks *much* better for me to just keep the same section-per-repo lists in pad | 21:34 |
| SergeyLukjanov | I just can't set status "requested" to work item :( | 21:34 |
| mattf | well, i'm a fan of email updates as tasks are done. status of progress. it also fits nicely w/ existing process. you can track in the rc1 milestone | 21:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | emails are great | 21:37 |
| mattf | i look forward to this utopia of storyboard | 21:37 |
| mattf | the grass here is getting kinda yellow | 21:38 |
| SergeyLukjanov | ok, let's use bps, email updates are really good | 21:40 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, will you move all stuff to bps today? | 21:40 |
| mattf | tomorrow, when i get a real keyboard and mouse | 21:41 |
| mattf | i'm not really liking this t440 touchpad | 21:42 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mattf, can't use any other touchpad after macbook... | 21:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrew Lazarev proposed a change to openstack/savanna: [IDH] Fixed cluster scale down https://review.openstack.org/78876 | 22:57 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/savanna: Removed log message duplication https://review.openstack.org/78870 | 23:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | some plans changes - repos will not be renamed this weekend due to the too late request... I still hope that we'll be able to rename them will the mid week (it's possible). | 23:05 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | but anyway, we still should complete tons of other renamings and prepare CRs | 23:14 |
| SergeyLukjanov | for ex. docs could be updated w/o renaming repos | 23:14 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-savannaclient: Add excutils and timeutils to openstack/common https://review.openstack.org/79071 | 23:15 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | and it sounds like repo renaming could be done in parallel with docs/internal stuff renaming | 23:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we just should add aliases | 23:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and then will be able to decouple repo and internals renaming | 23:25 |
| SergeyLukjanov | so, the best ETA for repo renaming is mid week, the worse - next weekend (March 15) | 23:27 |
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| elmiko | +1 to decoupling | 23:27 |
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