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| francoblanco | Hi krotscheck it's all going well so far thanks although balancing it alongside my job atm | 07:03 |
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| pedroalvarez | oh, so storyboard bug spring | 10:00 |
| pedroalvarez | sprint* | 10:00 |
| pedroalvarez | I wonder how do they work. 48h non-stop? :P | 10:01 |
| Zara | I think it's 'in this 48hrs, it's the bug-sprint, come and join in when you have time' | 10:02 |
| Zara | THOUGH EVERY DAY IS A STORYBOARD BUG SPRINT REALLY | 10:02 |
| pedroalvarez | :) indeed | 10:03 |
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| betherly | haha true that | 12:39 |
| * betherly joins the conversation a _little_ late :p | 12:39 | |
| Zara | :P | 12:42 |
| Zara | oh I still don't feel like I've woken up yet. how's it going? | 12:42 |
| * SotK too | 12:44 | |
| SotK | its too hot again | 12:44 |
| Zara | HA, I have ice cream! | 12:44 |
| Zara | er, I mean, oh no, that sounds terrible | 12:44 |
| Zara | hm, I thought it would be cooler outside, but it's not. this is like texas all over again :< | 13:22 |
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| SotK | yep | 13:26 |
| SotK | horrible :( | 13:26 |
| SotK | texas was nice because there was AC everywhere | 13:27 |
| Zara | I have a breeze out here, but it's inconsistent | 13:28 |
| Zara | plus it keeps blowing the door shut and am slightly concerned I'll get locked out | 13:29 |
| bethwhite | Erm...maybe run back in, grab your keys and then if it does lock you out you're sorted :) | 13:29 |
| Zara | ah, the door is the kind that can't be unlocked from the outside | 13:29 |
| Zara | so theoretically it shouldn't lock at all | 13:30 |
| Zara | but idk what'd happen if it slammed shut REALLY HARD in the wind | 13:30 |
| bethwhite | ...what kind of doors can't be locked from the outside?! Bizarre | 13:30 |
| Zara | :D | 13:30 |
| Zara | so I actually always leave those keys inside because we only have 1 balcony key xD | 13:31 |
| Zara | though I doubt it'd lock | 13:31 |
| Zara | really | 13:31 |
| SotK | put something in front of it? | 13:33 |
| Zara | no i don't want sensible suggestions I want the thrill of potentially being locked out | 13:34 |
| Zara | editing agenda in advance of meeting now | 13:41 |
| Zara | anyone want to discuss anyting | 13:41 |
| Zara | *anything | 13:41 |
| Zara | ? | 13:41 |
| Zara | oh well, add things later if you have some! I'm going to clear it up | 13:45 |
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| Zara | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324725/ ??? (I'm sure I reviewed this yesterday and there were comments from anita on it???) | 14:03 |
| Zara | ohhh no it was a very similar thing | 14:05 |
| Zara | never mind | 14:05 |
| Zara | hah | 14:05 |
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| Zara | meeting in 35! so exciting! | 14:25 |
| Zara | will there be a trapeze? there just might! | 14:25 |
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| SotK | \o/ | 14:35 |
| Zara | hm | 14:37 |
| Zara | \o/ | 14:37 |
| Zara | /o\ | 14:37 |
| Zara | \o/ | 14:37 |
| Zara | there is a trapeze act | 14:37 |
| Zara | (I was going to put it under your line, but then /o was interpreted as a command | 14:38 |
| Zara | ) | 14:38 |
| persia | /say /o | 14:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/storyboard: Filter non-public fields when searching for users https://review.openstack.org/324725 | 14:40 |
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| Zara | I can never remember that one | 14:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: Add a subscription button to project detail view https://review.openstack.org/323351 | 14:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: Add a subscription button to project group detail view https://review.openstack.org/323367 | 14:50 |
| Zara | \o/ that should mean krotscheck has slightly less reason to weep | 14:53 |
| Zara | meeting in 2min | 14:58 |
| Zara | in #openstack-meeting | 14:58 |
| SotK | exciting :D | 14:58 |
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| anteaya | Zara: not sure if you saw this, I created this while you were on holiday last week: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325474/ | 16:00 |
| anteaya | we haven't had a guide on how to use storyboard from a user's perspective | 16:01 |
| anteaya | so this is my first bit in that direction | 16:01 |
| Zara | okay, I think the best means of reviewing it may be to point people at that during the bugsquash and see what happens | 16:18 |
| anteaya | oh | 16:18 |
| anteaya | I had sort of hoped we could merge that and I could work on subsequent patches extending it | 16:19 |
| anteaya | actually if it was published folks could offer patches to it if it needed changing | 16:19 |
| anteaya | during the bug sprint | 16:19 |
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| Zara | so generally, I feel like if you need a guide to the ui for something like a task-tracker, the ui is a real problem, and this will get out of date quickly, and also that people understand things using different language, so people will ask the same questions they ask without it on irc; it just adds a component we have to keep updated. but I don't want to -1 on theoretical grounds so I'd like some evidence | 16:20 |
| Zara | to make up my mind on it. | 16:20 |
| anteaya | Zara: oh so you are arguing for not having it | 16:22 |
| anteaya | okay that is fair | 16:22 |
| anteaya | my perspective is that we have to accomodate users like the product working group | 16:22 |
| anteaya | which I find need more guidance than the majority of our other developers | 16:23 |
| anteaya | and I find are not comfortable asking a question without a manual | 16:23 |
| anteaya | now the manual itself is not the preclusion to asking the question | 16:23 |
| anteaya | for some the existance of the manual is the permission to ask the question | 16:23 |
| anteaya | not my personal way of thinking but amongst some I do notice it as a trend | 16:24 |
| anteaya | however if you were prefer not to have the guide, that is fine, if you could add a comment to the patch, that would be helpful | 16:24 |
| anteaya | which is why I didn't want to continue working on it until we had agreement on if it should exist in the first place | 16:25 |
| Zara | well, I'm leaning against, but I'd rather see if others find it useful and base my response on that, so that's why I'm at a bit of a distance from it for now. | 16:26 |
| anteaya | okay fair enough | 16:27 |
| Zara | yeah, I saw it and thought it wasn't the right time for me to comment on it, then forgot to say that, sorry. | 16:28 |
| anteaya | that is okay | 16:30 |
| anteaya | thanks for sharing your thoughts | 16:30 |
| anteaya | and in principle I agree with you | 16:30 |
| anteaya | which is why we have gotten as far as well have without needing it | 16:30 |
| Zara | np. I think whether it's merged in something like it's current form or not, it could be handy as a list of things for the betherly's interactive tutorial-in-progress to cover, though I'd rather not mention that on gerrit if she's snowed under with other things, as it'll draw attention and generally be stressful. | 16:30 |
| persia | I'm in a similar position. I think it is worth having some conceptual documentation, because not everyone has signed on to the behavioural model or understands multidimentional prioritisation, but that's very different from the detail documentation. | 16:30 |
| persia | Needs time though. | 16:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Adam Coldrick proposed openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: WIP: Rework timeline events into a timeline https://review.openstack.org/327231 | 16:30 |
| SotK | anteaya: when that shows up on docs-draft it should help explain what I mean | 16:31 |
| anteaya | persia: good point | 16:31 |
| anteaya | SotK: thank you | 16:31 |
| SotK | (ignore the weird comment CSS) | 16:31 |
| anteaya | thank you, I will endeavour to do so | 16:31 |
| persia | anteaya: No rush: as I said before (was it really last week), I'm happy to help with that when I have time, and I'm not sure I want to push Storyboard-as-a-BDD-tool if that might confuse people migrating from LP. | 16:33 |
| Zara | persia: yeah, I do find in practice that more people struggle with the 'stories are linked to projects via tasks' vs 'tasks are in stories are in projects' thing, than the 'where to find things' thing. | 16:33 |
| anteaya | I was mostly offering this patch as the foundation from where to begin | 16:34 |
| persia | Zara: Yeah, and without verification criteria being attached to stories, explaining why remains tricky. | 16:34 |
| anteaya | creating definitions to be used later sort of thing | 16:34 |
| persia | (not that I'm suggesting adding verification criteria be considered a near-term feature) | 16:34 |
| anteaya | I have to check my lunch | 16:35 |
| Zara | anteaya: yeah, I think it's good to talk about it; this is the tutorial I referred to: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000514 | 16:35 |
| Zara | s/tutorial/story for the tutorial | 16:35 |
| anteaya | thank you | 16:37 |
| Zara | so hopefully we'll all wander around and end up with something that works. :) | 16:37 |
| persia | +1 to that plan :) | 16:38 |
| anteaya | sound good | 16:39 |
| anteaya | seems like we are heading in the same direction | 16:39 |
| anteaya | and will soon converge | 16:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Adam Coldrick proposed openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: WIP: Rework timeline events into a timeline https://review.openstack.org/327231 | 16:41 |
| SotK | missed a bit that kinda ruined the point | 16:41 |
| Zara | aw, what was it? | 16:41 |
| Zara | or I could just read the code | 16:41 |
| Zara | ahaha | 16:42 |
| SotK | the code is a mess | 16:42 |
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| anteaya | in this view, I am really enjoying that the number of patches in status "review" is at the left hand side of the row, thank you https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/dashboard/stories | 17:14 |
| anteaya | I do have a question, has there ever been any discussion on trying to squeeze in the name of the repo the story is filed against in that view? | 17:15 |
| persia | No, but that is a really good idea. Also group-by on repo. | 17:16 |
| * persia has mostly just worked on projects where one rarely touches the same repo more than a couple times a year or one is focused on one or two repos, but thinks that feature is very useful for anything in-between those extremes. | 17:17 | |
| anteaya | it isn't a must have | 17:18 |
| anteaya | just a thought that passed through my head | 17:18 |
| anteaya | I'll create a story for it | 17:19 |
| anteaya | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000633 | 17:23 |
| anteaya | low priority | 17:23 |
| anteaya | if one of the stories created by me is merged, does that change the status to something other than Active thereby preventing it from showing up in my column? | 17:28 |
| persia | Yes, if all the tasks in a story are merged, the story is considered not important enough to be in the default filter (because it is done, so concern yourself with stuff to be done) | 17:30 |
| persia | In the absence of verification criteria, the assumption is that once marked "merged", it doesn't need to be considered. With verification criteria, we can identify when a story is no longer implemented (regressions), and get it back, but that's a longer-term thing (if nothing else, it makes sense to get zuulv3 clean before designing it) | 17:31 |
| anteaya | oh sure | 17:32 |
| anteaya | I just wanted to know what the behaviour was | 17:32 |
| anteaya | thank you | 17:32 |
| betherly | thanks Zara :) but ye please add suggestions to what people want from and in this tutorial | 18:11 |
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| anteaya | how come I don't see betherly's tutorial story in this view? https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/457 | 19:51 |
| anteaya | ah pagination | 19:51 |
| betherly | anteaya: its WIP still :) | 19:52 |
| SotK | hmm, I'm starting to wonder if the internet these days has ingrained an expectation of no pagination to users | 19:52 |
| anteaya | betherly: sure but it should still show up in that view, and does when I set pagination to 100 per page | 19:53 |
| anteaya | I'm all for no pagination | 19:53 |
| anteaya | I can scroll | 19:53 |
| anteaya | and mostly I control-F | 19:53 |
| SotK | the problem is that getting 6000 stories (or however many there are, I can't remember, but 6000 doesn't seem like an excessive number of active stories for all of openstack at all) takes a loooong time without paging | 19:55 |
| anteaya | agreed | 19:56 |
| anteaya | can we move the default pagination to something between 10 and 6000? | 19:56 |
| SotK | yeah, I think it should default to 100 tbh | 19:56 |
| anteaya | I have no argument that 6000 results would take a while to load | 19:56 |
| anteaya | I'm in support of a 100 value default | 19:57 |
| anteaya | and having no pagination in settings somewhere as an option | 19:57 |
| anteaya | then if you get the 6000 results it is because you choose them | 19:57 |
| SotK | There is a patch out which does that, which needs reworking | 19:58 |
| anteaya | ohhh may I see? | 19:58 |
| SotK | I was concerned about it potentially being used to spam requests for all stories to slow down the server maliciously, but I've realised just now that that can be done already anyway | 19:58 |
| SotK | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235993/ | 19:59 |
| SotK | doesn't have a draft build because of the merge conflict I guess | 19:59 |
| anteaya | it is a reasonable concern | 20:00 |
| anteaya | but one we are less likely to encounter than many many users not finding items that exist | 20:00 |
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| SotK | anteaya: a draft is finally available for the timeline events patch I'm working on: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/31/327231/2/check/gate-storyboard-webclient-js-draft/2041b7d//dist/#!/story/11 | 21:01 |
| * SotK has fixed the comment CSS locally, but not pushed it yet | 21:02 | |
| * SotK decides to push it | 21:05 | |
| openstackgerrit | Adam Coldrick proposed openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: WIP: Rework timeline events into a timeline https://review.openstack.org/327231 | 21:06 |
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| SotK | anteaya: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/31/327231/3/check/gate-storyboard-webclient-js-draft/64c54a0//dist/#!/story/11 is a better link | 21:48 |
| anteaya | thank you | 21:56 |
| anteaya | I can't see it, I kept getting redirected to http://docs-draft.openstack.org/31/327231/2/check/gate-storyboard-webclient-js-draft/2041b7d//dist/#!/page/about | 21:57 |
| anteaya | ah ha, I had to log in | 22:01 |
| anteaya | the grey line carries on down through the comment text box | 22:04 |
| anteaya | SotK: jeblair took a look at the docs-draft and shared some thoughts in -infra, do you want to read his comments there? | 22:12 |
| anteaya | if no I can copy/paste them to either the patch or the story | 22:12 |
| anteaya | SotK: I added the commentary to the story: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000620 | 22:24 |
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