| * fungi is around | 14:01 | |
| spotz[m] | Sorry got tied up outside let's get started | 14:03 |
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| spotz[m] | #startmeeting diversity_wg | 14:03 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Tue Oct 10 14:03:59 2023 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is spotz[m]. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'diversity_wg' | 14:04 |
| spotz[m] | #chair fungi | 14:04 |
| opendevmeet | Current chairs: fungi spotz[m] | 14:04 |
| spotz[m] | Ok we discussed yesterday just working on the wiki and website. At the PTG the topic I was going to bring up is the leadership shadowing | 14:04 |
| spotz[m] | How did you want to go ahead with that here? | 14:05 |
| fungi | oh, sure | 14:07 |
| fungi | we could skim the wiki page and make some quick notes in the meeting log as to what needs updating with the content there | 14:08 |
| fungi | in preparation for copying that content to a more permanent page on openinfra.dev | 14:08 |
| fungi | so basically we only want content that is accurate and doesn't change often | 14:09 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Diversity existing wiki page | 14:09 |
| fungi | probably the charter can go straight over | 14:10 |
| fungi | mailing list signup link that's there will end up being a redirect in a couple of days, so we should probably use the updated one | 14:10 |
| fungi | mentioning meetings should probably become a link to https://meetings.opendev.org/#Diversity_Working_Group_Meeting | 14:11 |
| fungi | that way if we change times or anything, we won't need to update the openinfra.dev page | 14:11 |
| fungi | and of course add a prominent link to the diversity survey | 14:13 |
| fungi | reviewing the charter text, it is slightly dated, for example "The working group will collaborate with the TC, User committee..." | 14:14 |
| spotz[m] | Yeah to be honest that's the only place I ever update it, not sure how old the meeting time on the wiki is:) | 14:14 |
| fungi | also "The programs recommended by this working group will apply to the Board, OpenStack Foundation, Technical Committee, PTLs, Developers and the entire OpenStack Community." | 14:14 |
| spotz[m] | Do we want to do this with Info? Or just type it? I know I found a typo already:) | 14:15 |
| fungi | is this charter a formal document that the board needs to approve changes to the wording of? | 14:15 |
| fungi | i can review the meeting log after the fact and make updates to the wiki page in preparation, when we're ready for that to happen | 14:15 |
| fungi | not sure #info tags for every little detail is warranted | 14:16 |
| spotz[m] | I don't think so, we can definitely fix organizer and organiser just so they match:) But we do need to update with a note the foundation name change | 14:16 |
| fungi | right, also updating for the wg's broader remit beyond just the openstack project | 14:16 |
| spotz[m] | Other than the name change and note the charter is the same | 14:17 |
| spotz[m] | Yeah good call hadn't gotten that far yet | 14:17 |
| spotz[m] | Let me make a quick ether[ad that might be the best way | 14:17 |
| fungi | oh, yep we can do it that way | 14:18 |
| spotz[m] | https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/diwgwikirevamp | 14:19 |
| spotz[m] | I cut and pasted the whole page over:) | 14:19 |
| fungi | that works | 14:20 |
| spotz[m] | Only bad part is everything I'm changing is the same color as the cut and paste. I'm going to bold them so you can find them | 14:21 |
| fungi | you can clear the authorship colors before you start editing | 14:21 |
| fungi | or selectively clear the color on the parts you haven't edited | 14:21 |
| fungi | i've cleaned up everything we noted besides the charter text | 14:24 |
| fungi | and i added a section for the diversity survey but it needs a bit of prose, i just added the url so we don't forget what it is | 14:26 |
| spotz[m] | I just worked on the charter give it a read | 14:27 |
| fungi | thanks, reviewing | 14:27 |
| fungi | do we need to say "the OpenStack(now Open Infrastructure) Foundation" or can it just be "Open Infrastructure Foundation" instead? | 14:28 |
| fungi | the sentence is in present tense, so the past name is probably irrelevant | 14:29 |
| spotz[m] | I didn't know if we wanted to keep the OpenStack for historical reasons | 14:29 |
| fungi | my feeling is that we should adjust the charter to say what we think it should say, and then find out if the board needs to approve the update in which case we can make a redlined version showing what the edits were (easy to do from the diff in the wiki revision history) | 14:30 |
| spotz[m] | It's alittle early to ping Julia to ask | 14:31 |
| fungi | i wonder about "will apply to the Board, Open Infrastructure Foundation, Project Leadership, Developers, and all members of the OpenInfra Project Communities" | 14:32 |
| fungi | in particular, "Open Infrastructure Foundation" already covers some of those | 14:33 |
| fungi | like, if it applies to the foundation as a whole (that is, the entirety of the foundation's membership) then that includes the board of directors | 14:33 |
| spotz[m] | It used to say technical committee and PTLs so tried to make it more general | 14:33 |
| spotz[m] | Foundation being mentioned was there just OpenStack | 14:33 |
| fungi | maybe something more like "will apply to the board of directors, foundation members, project leaders, contributors, and their associated communities"? | 14:35 |
| spotz[m] | Oh much better!!!! | 14:36 |
| fungi | could probably even drop the "will" as the recommended programs already do apply | 14:36 |
| fungi | we could drop "will" from a lot of places to keep it in the present tense | 14:36 |
| fungi | i think the original charter was written from the perspective of forming a not-yet-existent wg | 14:37 |
| fungi | now that it exists, we do these things, we don't merely plan to do them in the future | 14:37 |
| spotz[m] | Ok | 14:38 |
| fungi | i did a pass over the middle two paragraphs to switch them to present tense | 14:42 |
| fungi | my best guess is that, as this is a board chartered wg, the charter comes from the board and so they'll need to vote on the changes in wording for it, but maybe that can get on the agenda for the november meeting | 14:44 |
| spotz[m] | Ok and I put in your rewording | 14:44 |
| fungi | for the meeting, maybe we should generalize the prose there some more? problem with listing any details around scheduling in the content is that we need to update it in two places (and getting updates done to the foundation website will usually be slow and easily forgotten) | 14:47 |
| spotz[m] | I think we did pretty good:) | 14:47 |
| fungi | i agree! | 14:48 |
| spotz[m] | Ok I added some stuff for the survey. I put in about the tools as I didn't want folks to think any issues were CoC type things | 14:52 |
| spotz[m] | Or had to be CoC type things | 14:52 |
| fungi | thanks! | 14:56 |
| fungi | i've got to get ready to switch to a conference call, but this was an excellent use of our time, i think | 14:57 |
| spotz[m] | I totally agree, enjoy your call I have an hour until my next meeting | 14:58 |
| fungi | we need a followup task to check with our esteemed board chair on what process is needed around updating the charter with our proposed wording, i guess? | 14:58 |
| spotz[m] | I can check with her within the hour:) | 14:58 |
| fungi | (specifically whether it needs to be brought to the board for a vote) | 14:58 |
| fungi | thanks!!! | 14:58 |
| fungi | enjoy your meetingless hour | 14:59 |
| spotz[m] | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue Oct 10 15:00:19 2023 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2023/diversity_wg.2023-10-10-14.03.html | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2023/diversity_wg.2023-10-10-14.03.txt | 15:00 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2023/diversity_wg.2023-10-10-14.03.log.html | 15:00 |
| spotz[m] | I'll let you know what she comes back with | 15:00 |
| fungi | excellent | 15:01 |
| spotz[m] | She thinks at the least we should present it next meeting and see what lawyers say:) | 15:08 |
| fungi | k | 15:27 |
| fungi | sounds good | 15:28 |
| spotz[m] | fungi should I send the redlined version or a a cleaned up one? | 16:34 |
| fungi | spotz[m]: i would ask TheJulia for her preference | 16:35 |
| * TheJulia appears in a transporter halo and steps off the transporter pad | 16:36 | |
| TheJulia | That is a tough one... redline folks will just look for the diff, the whole is likely more meaningful | 16:37 |
| TheJulia | so maybe "why not both?" | 16:37 |
| spotz[m] | Ok I'll cut and paste them both in the email. I'll put the cleaner copy on top | 16:40 |
| TheJulia | ++ | 16:40 |
| spotz[m] | TheJulia: what are your thoughts on just updating the name to Open Infrastructure or this the Board of Directors of the OpenStack(now Open Infrastructure) Foundation (“Board”) | 16:41 |
| TheJulia | We're using a DBA, so OpenInfra Foundation would be ideal and we can kind of move past the original name | 16:42 |
| spotz[m] | Ok | 16:42 |
| spotz[m] | It's not red but strike through but good enough:) | 16:50 |
| TheJulia | :) | 16:57 |
| fungi | spotz[m]: in the edited version sent to the board ml, a "will" that was crossed out on the etherpad ended up in your version. probably not a big deal if we clean that up later? | 17:07 |
| spotz[m] | I would think not:) | 17:55 |
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